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Youbi_Hello, I can’t access the maemo wiki (I want to install the CSSU on my N900), is the server down?09:21
KotCzarnylooks like09:21
OksanaSo here, http and https too09:23
Youbi_Ok ^^ Well, I’ll wait09:24
Youbi_Should I first flash my phone using an image from ?09:24
Youbi_(I bought the phone from someone, so the system is not ~clean)09:25
infobothmm... maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh09:25
KotCzarnyuse the second link and the script09:25
KotCzarnymuch easier, also now the wiki is down you wont have to google for command lines09:25
KotCzarnyyou dont have to dl firmware, script will do it09:25
Youbi_Ok. I just have to run the script, and it won’t brick my phone?09:27
KotCzarnyand n900 is unbrickable09:27
Youbi_It will flash the eMMC and the FIASCO image?09:27
KotCzarnyyes, it will ask you if you want to flash both09:27
KotCzarnyor just rootfs09:27
Oksana /unbrickable/ What about infinite boot + broken USB ? Well, I guess, once USB is fixed, then infinite boot loop is fixable, too?09:28
KotCzarnyoksana, yes, by charging battery in other device09:29
* Oksana has seen a few used N900 on EBay lately...09:29
Youbi_Ok. So it’s quite easy ^^ I will try it at lunch time.09:30
* Youbi_ has another n900 with broken USB09:30
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ebzzryI don't understand this "Unable to receive or send new messages. Device storage full. Remove data to free memory." None of the filesystems are full.09:55
KotCzarnypaste df09:56
ebzzrydf -h09:56
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KotCzarnymaybe sqlite db got corrupted10:02
ebzzryKotCzarny: hmm10:05
ebzzryI'll delete ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db and see if it works.10:06
KotCzarnyrename instead of moving10:06
MaxdamantusYou could just move it rather than delete it.10:06
Maxdamantusand you'd do something like `killall rtcom-messaging-ui`, otherwise the running process will probably still have that file open (even if you "deleted" it)10:08
ebzzryMaxdamantus: ok10:11
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ebzzryMoving and/or deleting it "fixed" it.10:30
ebzzryFortunately, I don't have messages in that DB, so it's fine.10:30
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bencohthx :)11:42
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infobothmm... flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh13:53
Youbi_Oh, yep, not exactly the same ^^13:53
Youbi_Thanks againk KotCzarny13:53
Youbi_./ maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: /lib/ bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory13:57
Youbi_Humpf :/13:57
KotCzarny32bit app13:58
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KotCzarnyinstall proper package first13:58
KotCzarnydoc: add checker to the script and some hint for the user13:59
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Youbi_KotCzarny: I have the proper package (glibc), but the flasher binary is 32 bit and my system is 64 bit. May it be the source of the problem?14:00
KotCzarnythats what i've said14:00
KotCzarnyyou need 32bit support libs14:00
Youbi_Oh, ok.14:00
KotCzarnyapt-cache search 32bit etc14:00
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Youbi_Ok, I just had to install glibc.i686 and libusb.i686, and it worked.14:09
Youbi_My device is now booting.14:09
Youbi_(I did all the process on CentOS)14:10
Youbi_Should it reset the lock code?14:10
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Youbi_Ok ^^14:11
Youbi_Nice, all the datas and apps from the previous owner have been wiped \o/14:12
Youbi_(which was my wish)14:12
KotCzarnyif you ever wanted to flash again, you can skip emmc14:12
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Youbi_Ok :)14:13
Youbi_And now I can upgrade my system with the CSSU?14:13
infobothmm... cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)14:13
KotCzarnyyes, but read about it first14:13
Youbi_Because it is not stable?14:14
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KotCzarnybecause it's important to know what you are doing14:14
KotCzarnyit's quite stable14:15
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KotCzarnyif you are adventurous you can even go for cssu-thumb14:15
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Youbi_I already installed it on my previous n900, and was quite happy with it.14:20
KotCzarnyits based on cssu-testing14:23
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zGrrmoin :)15:50
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fladnag900jo iam back18:06
fladnag900you toldme i cuold remindyou18:07
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fladnag900this snd support thing about oscp18:08
KotCzarnyahm, k, but i havent been at home yet, should be in the next few days18:09
fladnag900this wouldbe so cool18:10
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fladnag900...idont think, there is another player under maemo who can do sdn eg atari-st18:11
fladnag900or do you know ?18:11
KotCzarnywell, its linux, and if there is any player with the source, you can compile it yourself18:12
fladnag900also if aim not in coding18:12
KotCzarnystill, you seem newbiesh, so just waim18:12
KotCzarnycompiling is not coding18:12
fladnag900gregoa ??18:22
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fladnag900DISCOPIG :D do YOU know of any mediaplayer for maemo that can atari .snd :)18:29
fladnag900imean disco and chiptunes ...18:30
fladnag900:D is practicly same18:30
fladnag900disco-stu whats with U :D ... youknow there is the probably BEST st-musicmaker nemed STU ...18:31
fladnag900whats best offline navigation solution for n900 ?18:39
fladnag900what about sygic ?18:39
fladnag900you guys know if there is an extra channel for maemo/n900-navigation ??18:40
bencohI doubt it18:40
bencoh#maemo is fine for that18:40
wndIMO Sygic's application's UI is actually quite nice, although not without its problems18:41
bencohthere is marble, mappero18:41
bencohmodrana too iirc18:41
wndthe data is obviously old18:41
fladnag900wich data18:42
fladnag900but VOICE navigation ...18:42
fladnag900and OFFLINE ...18:42
wndwhile Sygic has a Windows-tool (works with Wine) to download fresh map data, that new data doesn't work with N900's version. The latest map data for N900 I have is from 2009 or 2008.18:43
fladnag900...offline and voice only with sygic am iright ?18:44
wndI really did like the fact that the application would read out loud road/route numbers, e.g. in 500 metres, take exit and turn left to E 75 or something like that18:45
fladnag900but map-data from that time is for ALL countrys still downloadable ? you know that ?18:46
wndI strongly doubt the data is still available18:47
wndexcept for questionable sources18:47
fladnag900:) but with premiumizeme all torrents are usable again :D18:48
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DocScrutinizer05(([2015-10-12 Mon 12:59:10] <KotCzarny> doc: add checker to the script and some hint for the user)) any suggestions?19:19
KotCzarnyfind out commands to install lib32 compatibility on debian/ubuntu/fedora/suse19:19
KotCzarnyas for checking ldd flasher-3.5 2>&1 |grep "not found"19:20
KotCzarnysimilar hints for libusb-0.119:20
KotCzarnyjust grab libs and run flasher with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./flasher-3.519:21
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KotCzarnys/grab libs/include libs in archive/19:21
infobotKotCzarny meant: just include libs in archive and run flasher with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./flasher-3.519:21
DocScrutinizer05errr aha, how would I do that on unknown target platform?19:21
KotCzarnyon unknown platform just print generic hint that 32bit libs and libusb-0.1 is needed19:22
DocScrutinizer05prolly can do that19:22
KotCzarnybut most users who cant find it out by themselves just use some ubuntu19:22
KotCzarnyyou dont even need to detect os, just one big hint with examples19:23
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DocScrutinizer05a `ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo error` will need to do19:26
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KotCzarnyyou can define help function to keep the script tidy19:27
DocScrutinizer05btw thanks for the sugestion on ldd19:29
KotCzarnyyou can detect missing 32bit libs when ld-library is missing19:30
DocScrutinizer05however I'd like to test that, but I have no system that lacks 32bit support19:30
KotCzarnyand libusb as another case19:30
KotCzarnyjust chroot  it19:30
KotCzarnyyou will see when ld-lib is missing19:30
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KotCzarnyor ask someone, most people use 64bit os nowadays19:31
KotCzarnythen you can just substitute ldd for cat for testing purposes19:31
DocScrutinizer05I'm also using a 64 bit system, but it has proper 32 bit support19:33
DocScrutinizer05so I can't test for exact output of ldd in case of error19:33
KotCzarnyuninstall package for a moment?19:33
KotCzarnythen as i said, chroot19:34
KotCzarnyprepare some minimal one19:34
DocScrutinizer05I leave that to somebody else, to provide pastebin of `ldd flasher-3.5 2`19:34
DocScrutinizer05err `ldd flasher-3.5`19:35
KotCzarnybut for a quickie just hexedit flasher binary and change the ld-lib string to something else19:35
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KotCzarnyie. .2 into .319:35
DocScrutinizer05actually `LANG=C ldd flasher-3.5`19:35
KotCzarnythat too19:35
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DocScrutinizer05please check and pastebin output of ` ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager" `19:45
KotCzarnymind you, it will also catch missing libusb19:45
KotCzarnyso you have 2 cases19:45
DocScrutinizer05should be fine19:45
bencohmissing libusb means missing 32b libusb anyway :)19:46
KotCzarnyeven with recent os but installed in 32bit?19:46
bencohunrelated, but I wonder why KDE messed so much with marble version numbers19:46
KotCzarnybecause i havent installed anything since slackware-8.019:47
KotCzarny(just updated packages from time to time)19:47
bencoh(they renumbered at some point after marble-1.1 and decided to switch to KDE desktop version ... or something that looks like it)19:48
infobotsomebody said maemo-flashing was, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh19:49
KotCzarnyyour line resulted in nothing19:50
KotCzarnyunless you wanted to execute things in `` instead of the whole thing19:50
DocScrutinizer05and ooops I searched for wrong libusb, this is right search19:52
DocScrutinizer05my line results in nothing when no error occurs19:52
KotCzarnyi wonder if grep eats the error code19:53
DocScrutinizer05I wonder what's your result of plain ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.519:53
KotCzarnyits a string19:53
KotCzarnywhich you can put in: RES=`ldd .... 2>&1|grep not found` ; if [ "$RES" != "" ]; then echo error; else echo libs ok; fi19:54
DocScrutinizer05sorry for my fuzzy question. What's the extact text on STDOUT and STDERR on your system when you do a `ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5`19:55
DocScrutinizer05so, no error, "result = none" expected19:57
DocScrutinizer05I already did this test on my own system19:57
DocScrutinizer05I need somebody to test the error case19:58
DocScrutinizer05and provide exact text of error messages, preferably with LANG=C19:58
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KotCzarnythis is the result when libusb-0.1 is missing (32bit os)20:01
DocScrutinizer05could you please test ` LANG=C ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager" `20:04
KotCzarnyhmm, i remember there was a tool to relink binaries to glue dynamic libs into binary20:04
KotCzarnyso one could add into flasher and the only test case will be 64bit os20:05
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KotCzarnyit fails20:06
KotCzarnyyou should use the line i proposed (with RES= and if/fi20:06
KotCzarny ./check20:07
KotCzarny./check: line 5: command not found20:07
KotCzarnythis is how it fails20:07
DocScrutinizer05why I "should use the line i proposed (with RES= and if/fi" ?20:07
KotCzarnybecuase if your first part fails, shell tries to execute grep output20:08
KotCzarnysee above20:08
KotCzarnyi put your line into script and executed20:08
DocScrutinizer05sorry I don't see anything above20:08
KotCzarnyit was exact output20:08
DocScrutinizer05LANG=C ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager"20:09
DocScrutinizer05works just fine here20:09
KotCzarnyplease dont include `` then, i thought you wanted it too20:09
DocScrutinizer05sorry for quoting the actual command20:10
KotCzarnyworks without ``20:10
KotCzarnyie. prints the echo contents20:10
KotCzarnyand nothing when no error20:10
DocScrutinizer05I guess test LANG=C ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager"   wont work20:10
KotCzarnyalso, add at the end: && exit20:10
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DocScrutinizer05I didn't add that since otherwise your shell would close20:11
DocScrutinizer05I'm writing shell scripts since 25 years20:11
KotCzarnynot if that line was in the script20:11
DocScrutinizer05it IS NOT20:11
KotCzarnyand pasting from multiline window usually breaks on terminal, thats why i always put it into script, then run the script20:12
DocScrutinizer05aaah I should have guessed that20:12
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KotCzarnyanyway, checker works, but mind you, i was testing libusb, and it printed error about 32bit libs20:13
KotCzarnyi moved libusb out of the way for the test20:13
KotCzarnyso if someone has 32bit os but missing libusb-0.1 it will be misleading20:14
DocScrutinizer05result was [2015-10-12 Mon 19:10:06] <KotCzarny> works without ``20:14
KotCzarny(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your  system's software pkg manager20:14
KotCzarnyits the message20:14
KotCzarnyahm, sorry20:14
KotCzarnyyou're right20:14
DocScrutinizer05no, there must be a line before that20:14
KotCzarnymissed line before20:14
DocScrutinizer05so, I finally got it right? :-D20:15
KotCzarnyat least for 32bit os case20:15
KotCzarnynow you have to test 64 one20:15
DocScrutinizer05all the same, I hope20:16
KotCzarnyscratch that. "i dont know"20:16
DocScrutinizer05anyway that's what I asked for: could somebody please test this on a 64bit system with missing 32bit support20:16
KotCzarnybut for a quickie just move 32bit into some temporary dir and test20:17
KotCzarnyit should be enough, as its the first mandatory thing that is checked20:17
KotCzarnyand path is fixed: /lib/
DocScrutinizer05I don't dare to mess with ld-linux on a workstation20:18
KotCzarny(unless they did 64bit ld-linux with compatibility layer)20:18
KotCzarnyyou dont have any rescue ramdisk for such situations?20:19
DocScrutinizer05that could easily turn out to be a very sophisitcated prank20:19
KotCzarnyi made me one, with fsck and friends, fits into ~10-20 megs and saves lots of time20:19
DocScrutinizer05listen buddy, this is a workstation that best doesn't get booted a whole year long20:20
KotCzarnyyou only have 1 machine?20:20
KotCzarnyno 'closet oldies' ?20:20
DocScrutinizer05no, I also have a few boxen at Hetzner which I could fsckup20:20
DocScrutinizer05I'm no sw devel20:21
KotCzarnyanyway, alternative would be booting livecd 64bit os and removing 32libs there20:21
KotCzarnyeven in virtualbox or something20:21
DocScrutinizer05go ahead :-D20:21
KotCzarnyim away from my hackstation20:22
KotCzarnyand this machine runs windows xp20:22
KotCzarnybut i can do that tomorrow20:22
KotCzarnyjust remind me if no one volunteers before20:22
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DocScrutinizer05I'm also not convinced by the "just move 32bit into some temporary dir" approach. 64bit could try to load the 64bit lib and detect a mismatch, rather than a simple 'not found'20:27
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KotCzarnyafair, this linker lib is unique in the way its path is fixed20:28
KotCzarnyand manages run time linking/finding for other things20:29
DocScrutinizer05and all that could depend on situation when last time running ldconfig20:29
DocScrutinizer05(manages run time linking/finding for other things) yes, and removing it would easily render your whole system fsckdup since not a single process would start anymore20:30
KotCzarnycan you pastebin ldd /bin/bash ?20:30
KotCzarny(dont have 64bit shell handy to check)20:31
DocScrutinizer05sure thing20:31
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KotCzarnyyeah, as i thought,         /lib64/ (0x00007fda00b2b000)20:32
KotCzarnyso, on 64bit os, even without /lib/ only 32bit apps will fail20:32
KotCzarnyand everything else will work as before20:32
DocScrutinizer05prolly yes20:32
DocScrutinizer05I would be extra cautious to mess with it though20:33
KotCzarnythough you are right, dont know how ldd resolves things, (running app or some smart algo)20:33
KotCzarnynah, nless you have something important 32bit running20:33
KotCzarnyall tools are compiled against 64bit ld-linux20:33
KotCzarnyand remember, when you have installed system, it had only 64bit libs20:34
DocScrutinizer05NB the lib pathes are not stable between distros20:34
KotCzarnyfor 32bit it is stable20:34
KotCzarnyas its FIXED into binary, not the os20:34
KotCzarnyfor 64bit it uses linux-vdso kernel interface i think20:34
DocScrutinizer05while one distro may have /lib64/ and /lib/, other 64bit ditro may have /lib/ and /lib32/20:35
KotCzarnysee the fixed path for 32bit20:35
KotCzarnyit could be a symlink, but the path must be exact20:35
DocScrutinizer05sorry you lost me20:36
KotCzarnyat least for ld-linux, other 32bit libs can be at arbitrary path, but linker must be known before20:36
KotCzarnyit's the ld-linux lib that uses
DocScrutinizer05I don't see how any of that is related to "ubuntu-64 has /lib/ for 64bit and /lib32/ for 32bit, while suse-64 has /lib64/ for 64bit and /lib/ for 32bit"20:40
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DocScrutinizer05NB I don't know if the distros are correct, it's a made up example20:41
KotCzarnyevery system has /lib/ for 32bit ld-linux20:42
KotCzarnybut its the only thing that is fixed20:42
KotCzarnyother libs can be at any location, just defined in ld-linux config20:42
KotCzarnythats why moving ld-linux stops further lib linking20:43
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Maxdamantusnix doesn't.21:32
KotCzarnydoesnt what?21:32
MaxdamantusHave /lib for 32-bit ld-linux.21:32
KotCzarnypics or it didnt happen21:33
MaxdamantusIt replaces the location of the loader using `patchelf`21:33
KotCzarnysome preload lib?21:33
KotCzarnypatches every binary?21:33
KotCzarnythen flasher-3.5 doesnt run by default anyway21:34
KotCzarnyand user must be knowledgeable too21:34
KotCzarnyso: no problem21:34
MaxdamantusYou shouldn't need to mess with your /lib directory to make it work.21:35
MaxdamantusJust run it from a linker, or use `patchelf` to change the path for it.21:35
Maxdamantus(run it from a linker as in: ./ ./flasher)21:36
KotCzarnystill, anyone knowledgeable enough to install nix, will know how to solve dependencies21:39
KotCzarnyalso, nice hint about running ./ ./flasher21:40
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KotCzarnyhmm, n9, seller says 'phone shows charging, but doesnt boot', anything fixable or not worth the risk?22:29
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if we also need to worry about flasher-3.5 running on minix, and on solaris22:46
KotCzarnyyou forgot about freebsd22:47
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bencohI'd rather port 0xffff to minix22:52
KotCzarnydoes it support usb?22:52
bencohminix? there is some driver, not included in the base system22:53
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KotCzarnyhmm. how about porting 0xffff to...22:54
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bencohlooks like the usb driver has been included in bassys now22:56
bencohI dont see anything mentioning some ouf-of-tree compilation22:56
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KotCzarnyor.. creating usb device that will have 1-2 buttons and which will flash n900 on connect and button press22:58
DocScrutinizer05I really don't care about all those extreme bizarre fringe cases for ~flashing22:58
M4rtinKsome small arduino clone should do22:58
KotCzarnycould also have pass-through power port22:59
M4rtinK <- that also has a pass through power port :)23:01
KotCzarnyburning the firmware23:02
M4rtinKpretty much ;-)23:02
DocScrutinizer05dealing with missing 32bit support on 64bit linux, ok. Anything more bizarre than that is cleary for the geeks23:02
* DocScrutinizer05 designs a geekbrain killer23:04
DocScrutinizer05mains plug with in-ear headphones23:05
bencohwhat ?23:06
DocScrutinizer05way less dangerous than any of the items on
KotCzarnyyour geekbrain killer wouldnt work23:08
KotCzarnywire would fry before any power goes to the body23:09
DocScrutinizer05yes, since nobody would be silly enough. Unlike feeding mains to e.g. ethernet23:09
M4rtinKPoE :D23:09
KotCzarnyalso, 'powered hub' he he23:09
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keriooh man23:19
keriohave you guys seen that usb killer thing23:19
kerioas big as a usb pen drive, it's got some 220V capacitors inside23:19
kerioit charges with usb power, and discharges on D+/-23:19
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Wizzupkerio: yep, seen it23:27
bencohthat's mean23:28
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fladnag900kotczarny ihave tested an sndh_lf wich should be supported like you said and it does not ! :(23:56
fladnag900...on n90023:57
fladnag900ifound that23:57
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fladnag900sndh_lf & sf simply stands for long and short filename :P23:57

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