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evil_corehi all02:38 doesn't work for me02:38
evil_coreits problem with mine ISP or maybe my IP got blockes somehow?02:39
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evil_core91.196.215.202 <- it's my IP address, dunno why it got blocked hour ago by :-/02:48
evil_corecan it be caused by restoring firefox(after killall -4) with ~50 TMO tabs?02:50
ecc3gmy guess is...probably yes.02:51
evil_coreso what can I do no?02:52
evil_coreand I don't see the page that my address got blocked. I cannot open socket on 8002:55
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KotCzarnyhmm, firefox doesnt load tabs automatically after restart (unless one is stupid enough to enable that with habit of having so many tabs)08:06
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* Maxdamantus wonders if the lack of input while the display is off is a hardware limitation or another stupid software one.09:11
Maxdamantus(from twl4030_keypad)09:11
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MaxdamantusLooks like a software one.09:15
KotCzarnyisnt it intentional?09:15
Maxdamantus.suspend        = twl4030_kp_suspend,09:16
freemangordonMaxdamantus: that's in mce code?09:16
MaxdamantusNo. Kernel.09:16
freemangordonI guess mce calls it09:16
freemangordonthrough sysfs09:16
Maxdamantusit's in some `struct platform_driver`09:17
freemangordonignore that, check what mce does09:17
infobotMCE = Machine Check Exception.  Mode Control Entity09:17
MaxdamantusIt's probably easier to figure out what invokes .suspend on platform_driver first.09:17
freemangordonhmm, not that one09:19
MaxdamantusSo I guess it's a general "feature" of it going into a low-power state.09:20
MaxdamantusHm, no, that can't be right, since that refers to suspend-to-RAM there.09:20
freemangordonthat's not the same as inhibiting input09:21
freemangordonMaxdamantus: start from here
freemangordonMaxdamantus: BTW, on my device, with kbd opened and screen off, pressing any kbd key wakes the screen09:22
freemangordonso I wonder what "the lack of input" is09:23
MaxdamantusHm. It doesn't on mine.09:23
KotCzarnykeys on the back are different than keyboard09:23
KotCzarnyconnected to gpio09:24
Maxdamantus"lack of input" as in: od /dev/input/keypad09:24
freemangordonMaxdamantus: open the kbd, wait for screen to go off, press a key - screen goes on09:25
KotCzarny]also, there is an option to set if device should unlock when sliding out09:25
KotCzarnycant find it09:26
Maxdamantusfreemangordon: right, in that state touching the screen also turns it back on.09:26
freemangordonI don;t get what your problem is then :)09:26
MaxdamantusI can't read from /dev/input/keypad09:26
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: open the kb, lock the device via double click on power button, /dev/input/keypad goes mute09:28
KotCzarnymaybe he has autolock on, so when screen blanks it also locks09:29
KotCzarny(even with kb open)09:29
freemangordonKotCzarny: so? I'd guess when one says "lock" the device is expected to actually lock09:29
KotCzarnyyes, so he needs to find out what happens when you lock the device09:30
MaxdamantusI'm not really concerned about autolock.09:30
freemangordonMaxdamantus: you want the kbd enabled while the other parts of the system are in deep idle?09:30
MaxdamantusNot necessarily.09:31
MaxdamantusIf it's playing music, it'd be nice to control the volume without having to unlock the screen.09:31
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freemangordonwell, don't lock the device then, that way you have fully functional kdb and display09:31
Maxdamantusit's obviously not in an idle state then.09:32
freemangordonthen == when?09:32
KotCzarnywhen playing music09:32
Maxdamantusafk again09:32
KotCzarnyhmm, i wonder if i made oscp to react to volume buttons with lock on09:32
freemangordonI use shortcutd, with focus button gpio control made RO09:33
freemangordonthat way I can change the songs while device is locked09:34
freemangordonmaybe the same can be achieved for the keypad, but I am afraid it will have negative effect on the batery life09:34
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: what is 'focus button gpio control made RO' ?09:35
freemangordonKotCzarny: gpios can be enabled and disabled via sysfs09:35
KotCzarnyi would be interested to have gpio buttons alive when oscp is running09:35
freemangordonif you make sysfs entry Read-Only, noone can disable that particular gpio :)09:35
freemangordon*the sysfs entry09:35
KotCzarnyhorrible hack i must say09:36
freemangordonsure, but it is easy and it works09:36
KotCzarnyand requires root access09:36
freemangordonI have an entry in /etc/event.d which does it for me on every boot09:36
KotCzarnythat means another superfluous sudoers entry, still, thx for the tip09:37
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sixwheeledbeastthat horrible hack is what I use too.11:06
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totalizatoris this N9 fake or not?
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KotCzarnytotalizator: i just got my n9, for 75pln12:53
KotCzarnylooks similarly ugly12:56
KotCzarnymight also be a fake12:57
KotCzarnythis is how it should look13:01
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KotCzarnysee the headphones at the edge, fake one is more distant13:02
KotCzarnyclock on the right, battery on the left13:03
totalizatoroh darn13:05
totalizatori was sure it's not a fake13:05
totalizatorand rly? you got pwned?13:05
KotCzarnyunless harmattan is so ugly13:05
KotCzarnyalso, icons are similar BUT different13:06
totalizator("ahaha" about H not you)13:06
KotCzarnyi can post the pics of the fake i got if you want to compare13:08
totalizatorif you have them already then i would like to look, thanks13:09
KotCzarnyin the screenshot from gsmarena you can see shortcut13:09
KotCzarnyits missing on the fake13:09
KotCzarnyit claims to have 64G of storage, i wonder how true is that13:16
KotCzarny(because it still can be worth the price if i got usb pendrive for that price, he he)13:16
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totalizatorsorry to disappoint you but no chance IMHO13:22
KotCzarnyanyway, you can spot the differences?13:22
totalizatorlike all fake usb drives - they are like 1GB and when full, they start erasing data written on beginning - corrupting data13:23
KotCzarnyn9 on the fake, headphones port away from the edge, battery display on the right, icons ugly13:23
KotCzarnyand overally ugliness13:23
KotCzarnyyour fake is different from mine13:24
KotCzarnyboth are fakes anyway13:24
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totalizatorwell, your fake looks so adorable :313:29
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KotCzarnydoes it?13:34
KotCzarnyone more thing to note, because of much lower screen res you can see pixel on the font13:35
totalizatoryup, clearly enough13:37
KotCzarnyhehe, folder 'games', app 'anti-theft software'13:38
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totalizatoris this a typical chinese feature phone then?13:41
KotCzarnywow, seller agreed to take it back13:42
KotCzarnytotalizator: what's a feature phone?13:42
auenfnon-smart phone13:42
KotCzarnyquite dumb and ugly13:42
auenfthe old distinction was unable to install apps13:43
KotCzarnyit also has fake wifi menu, all it does is showing fake wifi signal icon13:43
auenf(excluding j2me)13:43
auenfare those fakes dualsim also?13:43
KotCzarnydont know how to open, but this one seems to be single sim13:44
KotCzarnybecause it fakes single n9 slot13:44
auenfthe blurry photo has a '2' in the corner13:44
totalizatorauenf: well, not always - I had (I have) a Sony J7 with custom firmware and was possible to install new apps - memory for ringtones was used13:44
auenfj2me apps?13:45
KotCzarnyauenf, where do you see that '2' ?13:45
totalizatormost unimaginable feature phones era related stuff i can recall13:45
auenftop right of that image13:45
KotCzarnyahm, that was totalizator's one13:45
auenfthat one might be dualsim13:45
totalizatorauenf: nah! C/assembly13:46
auenfunofficial firmware?13:46
totalizatorcheck this out:
auenfi assume unofficial firmware?13:47
auenfs40 was/is considered feature phones, even tho you can install j2me apps13:48
KotCzarnyheh, pity, i was hoping to port oscp to n913:48
auenfthat looks like impressive reverse engineering13:48
totalizatoryes it is13:48
totalizatorauenf: more fancy screenshots
auenfnot sure where you'd get a n9 these days13:51
KotCzarnyauenf: auction/classifieds13:51
KotCzarnylol@fenix3d engine13:52
totalizatorauenf: plenty of the tbh, usually in a mediocre condition but still13:52
auenfmy usb latch has broken off :P13:52
KotCzarnyusb latch is 6usd from ebay13:52
totalizatorKotCzarny: yup, serious bussiness13:53
KotCzarny(free shipping)13:53
auenfsure free shipping13:53
auenfbut what about currency conversion fee :P13:53
KotCzarnyauenf, yeah, i was checking because this n9 was missing13:53
KotCzarnyauenf: 6 frigging usd13:53
KotCzarnyeven if they did 20% currency fee13:53
auenfi doubt it will be free shipping to me13:53
KotCzarnyfree to most countries13:54
auenfrofl, this  online store claims to have n9's in stock13:55
KotCzarny5 usd13:55
auenfthey also claim to have N85's in stock too13:55
auenfsim tray as well as usb cover :/14:00
KotCzarnyauenf, yes, both are usually missing14:01
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KotCzarnyalso nokia lumia 800 apparently uses the same14:01
auenfheh, $1.42 shipping14:02
auenfwhich would arrive between 16th and 27th :P14:02
KotCzarnystill cheaper than my local auction site14:02
auenfor $64.40 shipping to arrive between 14th and 21st14:02
auenfi'll just use my n9 without the usb flap like i have for ages ;)14:02
merlin1991heh, my raspberry completely corrupted its rootfs, fsck is running since like 20 mins now14:04
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ((<freemangordon> so I wonder what "the lack of input" is)) nevermind, this is a massively tweaked system not working the way maemo is designed to work14:28
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DocScrutinizer05(([2015-10-06 Tue 08:31:45] <Maxdamantus> If it's playing music, it'd be nice to control the volume without having to unlock the screen.)) that's an option in mce.ini to allow vol+/- even when device locked14:31
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DocScrutinizer05 is NO screenshot but a drawing. Thought that would be obvious to everybody. It's clearly not a valid reference "how Harmattan should look"14:35
DocScrutinizer05 2nd photo however clearly does not show a N9 device14:38
DocScrutinizer05>>headphones port away from the edge<< yes, correct. clear indication for a fake14:39
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MaxdamantusDocScrutinizer05: thanks.14:54
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sixwheeledbeastYou can control the volume with the device locked15:34
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KotCzarnyswb: how so? (assuming you talk about something else than dirty /sys/ hack)16:03
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sixwheeledbeastIt's not locked by default, I use the hack only for cam_focus17:00
KotCzarnylast time i checked volume buttons are disabled after lock17:06
sixwheeledbeastNope I don't believe so, well definitely not with headset connected.17:15
KotCzarnyhum, didnt try with headset17:15
KotCzarny100% sure they are blocked without17:15
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keriowell, makes sense17:38
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DocScrutinizer05my N900 definitely changes volume with Vol+/Vol- hw buttons even when tk-lock. And I'm pretty sure I have no 'hacks' installed, iirc I just configured mce.ini correctly18:40
DocScrutinizer05(definitely changes volume) no matter if wired or BT headset connected or none at all18:40
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povbotBug 8011: Changing volume without unlocking the phone no longer works18:50
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sixwheeledbeastI thought so.18:56
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DocScrutinizer05strange enough my mce.ini has
DocScrutinizer05thought it should be set to 2, maybe this is the actual regression in FOSS-MCE that it doesn't obey 1 here to *lock* volume-keys in  tk-lock?19:08
DocScrutinizer05(not sure if I'm running FOSS-MCE)19:09
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DocScrutinizer05HMMM rotfl
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KotCzarnyi think dirty /sys/ hack is the best one here (assuming user only wants volume keys active when media player is running)19:15
KotCzarnyotherwise it MIGHT have negative impact on battery drain19:16
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DocScrutinizer05why the heck you think a hack is needed?19:24
DocScrutinizer05again, works perfect here19:24
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DocScrutinizer05ultimate thread on this topic:
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Sicelodoes anyone have an N900 where you can't adjust volume with tklock? :O19:48
Siceloor FUD?19:48
bencohI think it depends on the player here19:49
bencohiirc I cant adjust volume when playing with mplayer (for instance) but it works with mediaplayer19:49
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Sicelowhich makes sense. even on pc mplayer won't adjust volume via keyboard keys for example, by default19:56
KotCzarnymultimedia volume keys are handled by os usually19:58
sixwheeledbeastI believe mafw players will work. Non mafw player you need to press power key first.19:58
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if an autoresponder could also execute some cmdline cmds, e.g to boot infobot. she's known to never survive netsplits23:46
DocScrutinizer05[2015-10-06 Tue 22:46:15] * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if an autoresponder could also execute some cmdline cmds, e.g to boot infobot. she's known to never survive netsplits23:46
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kerioinfobot was in the channel when you said that23:46
DocScrutinizer05let's see23:47
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DocScrutinizer05no infobot in chan23:47
kerioi definetely see an infobot in the list23:47
DocScrutinizer05you do?23:47
KotCzarny- infobot is (TimRiker's infobot)23:47
KotCzarny- on channels: #maemo23:47
KotCzarny- on irc via server (UmeƄ, SE, EU)23:47
kerioappears in whois23:47
KotCzarnycould be that infobot is NOT on #maemo on its server23:48
KotCzarnydoesnt reply to /ping23:48
DocScrutinizer05no, it's dead23:48
DocScrutinizer05I'll give it a reboot right away23:49
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infobot- Uptime for infobot -23:51
infobotNow: 1m 37s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux23:51
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201023:51
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200923:51
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200923:51
infobot105/122 channels, 4365 users, 3381 unique: #debian/1701, #kde/438, #gsoc/270, #asterisk/212, #maemo/198, #wowuidev/138, #oe/134, #wowace/94, #neo900/85, #cubieboard/77, #harmattan/66, #openmoko/57, #meego/55, #asterisk-dev/53, #bzflag/51, #maemo-ssu/51, #openmoko-cdevel/50, #arm-netbook/47, #curseforge/40, #elinux/33, #sc2mapster/30, #slug/24, #debianppc/21, #gllug/20, #brlcad/20, #riftuidev/19, ##kierra/18, #n9/17, #esouidev/17, #htc-l23:51
infobot123/123 channels, 4691 users, 3566 unique: #debian/1699, #kde/437, #gsoc/271, #asterisk/211, #maemo/198, #wowuidev/139, #oe/134, #wowace/94, #neo900/85, #utah/83, #cubieboard/76, #harmattan/65, #wowhead/64, #openmoko/57, #meego/55, #asterisk-dev/53, #bzflag/51, #maemo-ssu/51, #qi-hardware/50, #openmoko-cdevel/50, #arm-netbook/47, #webos-internals/43, #curseforge/40, #elinux/33, #sc2mapster/30, #uphpu/27, #slug/24, #debianppc/21, #riftui23:51
infobotIt's great to be back!23:52
DocScrutinizer05thanks infobot23:54
infobotDocScrutinizer05: my pleasure23:54
DocScrutinizer05this channel is #5 of user count rank :-)23:56
DocScrutinizer05"maemo is dead!!1!11!" LOL23:56
DocScrutinizer05neo900 #9 :-D23:57
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