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| bencoh | hmm I wonder why some apt-http clients try fetching Packages.diff/index from nokia repositories while others dont | 01:53 |
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| bencoh | (with the same advertised apt/maemo version) | 01:53 |
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| Oksana | ... What is the status of fptf? /Aka is there something critical to do before taking on MicroB and dialer-ui? / | 03:56 |
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| Vajb | Sicelo: just out of curiosity, what is wrong with bnf? | 05:20 |
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| Oksana | In what situation, Nokia N900 would, instead of booting up, just show bright white LED and then dim it out? Battery is fully charged | 08:24 |
| freemangordon | Oksana: corrupted 1st stage BL? | 08:25 |
| Oksana | How to flash it, if possible? | 08:31 |
| Oksana | Okay, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 08:31 |
| Oksana | What will go wrong if HW revision is incorrect? | 08:32 |
| freemangordon | wron 1st stage BL will be flashed :) | 08:32 |
| freemangordon | *wrong | 08:32 |
| Oksana | And so it will same white LED dimming out? | Do I need root access on Linux computer to run flasher-3.5 ? | 08:33 |
| freemangordon | well, even with wrong 1st stage BL, it should still boot. But I am not sure how it will behave - for example 2101 and 2204 have different PoP RAM chips (2x128 vs 1x256) | 08:34 |
| freemangordon | and yes, you need root iirc | 08:35 |
| freemangordon | so, you'd better flash the correct 1st stage | 08:35 |
| Oksana | How do I find HW revision? Is it printed on the device itself? | Okay, so workplace-Linux computers are out: I do not have root access to them. | 08:35 |
| freemangordon | Oksana: No idea, try to remember it | 08:36 |
| freemangordon | *recall | 08:36 |
| freemangordon | BTW, it could be coorupted 2nd stage (aka NOLO), so first check if the device can be flashed in a normal way | 08:37 |
| freemangordon | and only then try cold-flash | 08:38 |
| Oksana | Okay, will check. flasher-3.5 -i . Any tricks with using flasher-3.5 on Windows XP (32bit) ? | 08:38 |
| freemangordon | nothing special iirc | 08:39 |
| * Oksana hopes that there is still flasher-3.5 and libusb on the computer, because I did not use flasher-3.5 for a very long time | 08:40 | |
| KotCzarny | you can download it | 08:45 |
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| Oksana | What's the mirror of Nokia repositories? Cannot seem to find it | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 09:08 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 09:08 |
| * Oksana does not see flasher-3.5 | 09:09 | |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 09:10 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | flasher is in the tgz | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | unless you need windows one | 09:12 |
| Oksana | Hooray! And yes, at the moment I am trying to use the fact that I have admin access on my workplace Windows 7 Enterprise computer | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/ | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | here you can find mirror | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | but check md5sum just in case | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | and get 3.5.x not 3.12 by mistake | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recovering from an extraordinary failure on device side by using a non-standard (i.e. 'windoze') PC sounds like begging for trouble that could and should be avoided | 09:15 |
| Oksana | Well, it can hardly get worse. And I will follow the instructions at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 and http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, i wonder if nokia/m$ would mind if maemo.org hosted firmwares and tools | 09:17 |
| Oksana | They probably would. But you can ask. Just keep local mirror, in case they take down all Internet mirrors | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | mirroring that fladnag side, just in case | 09:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot.png | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | no windows tools | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: I *strongly* recommend to NOT coldflash the device unless you know exactly it's needed | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | asking Nokia about hosting those tools is wasted energy and possibly detrimental to maemo - it has been done a dozen times before and Nokia told we should stop asking since there's no way it ever will happen | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | pity | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | do they have a reason for denying it? | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is below M$ radar, and we want to keep it like that | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: connect device to linux machine, check syslog, see if NOLO enumerates USB | 09:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or use flasher -i and see if NOLO answers, in that case you a) have HW version, and b) don't need it since NOLO is working | 09:33 |
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| Oksana | What's interesting, flasher-3.5 says suitable device not found, waiting, and inf-wizard says that it is in storage mode, not update mode | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | are you sure battery i ok? | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | *is | 09:35 |
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| Oksana | Now update mode, I needed to press U | 09:35 |
| Oksana | battery is fully charged, yes | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove battery, plug in USB, hold U(!), insert battery. See if NOKIA screen with USB icon comes up | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | storage mode is only possible when linux booted, so what's your problem? | 09:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | probably your device is busy for hours with fsck, and you want to ruin it by coldflashing a wrong hw version NOLO | 09:39 |
| Oksana | Problem is, nothing on display. I could try a different display, yes | 09:39 |
| Oksana | But if it was just display, it should have given sounds. But it could be in silent mode | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could listen | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove battery, plug in USB, hold U(!), insert battery. See if NOKIA screen with USB icon comes up | 09:40 |
| Oksana | No, it does not. | 09:40 |
| Oksana | Display is ever-ever black | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | could be | 09:40 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: 1) too little information, 2) completely useless if battery data is somehow missing. bnf isn't serving my needs at all. i don't keep software on my N900 if i don't use it :) | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then when it even shows up in device manager of PC, it's highly likely the display is defect | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however you can't debug such stuff with a windoze PC, at least I don't know how | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | pity n900 requires working lcd module, otherwise it would be a nice to just attach tv | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | or some tv grabber card | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | at least sscreen swap is easy and quick | 09:42 |
| * Oksana is waiting for screwdrivers | 09:44 | |
| KotCzarny | you just need size 00 or 000 philips screwdriver | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | torx is only needed if you want to get to mobo | 09:45 |
| Oksana | Yes, I remember but I don't have a single screwdriver at hand, at the moment | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | ask someone? | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | some people do carry such things | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw white indicator light is no hw feature, NOLO needs to set it | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW white indicator means at least NOLO starts and runs until talking to LP5523 indiactor LED controller chip | 09:47 |
| Oksana | Okay. And if I just plug in USB, then it has orange blinking charging light. So, it could be case of "display not working". Need to check that. | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the white indicator gets ramped up and that's also NOLO doing this | 09:48 |
| Oksana | Though it would be convenient to get flasher-3.5 working | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | connect TV | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you listen to whatr I'm pasing in here? | 09:49 |
| Oksana | Yes, that most likely NOLO is fine, and if I find TV cable for N900, I could try to check with this | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | most likely your os booted | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh nm, no windows software either | 09:51 |
| Oksana | Booted, right. And I don't know how to shut it down. Because LED blinking is not long enough to tell me when it completely shuts down. | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly there's no such thing like a windows flasher-3.5, there is Nokia-suite | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | oksana, press power button for a few sec? | 09:51 |
| Oksana | Actually, it could be stuck at welcome screen... | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | oksana, try booting rescueos and disabling welcome screen | 09:52 |
| Oksana | Hooray, flasher-3.5 works. HW revision 2204 | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | windows? | 09:53 |
| Oksana | Yes, Win7Ent 64bit | 09:53 |
| KotCzarny | though if you didnt set your device to automatically connect to wifi you will still not get there | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the name of that file? | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/ | 09:54 |
| Oksana | Yes :-) And nice instructions: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! /home/jr/maemo-mirror/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/files/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe | 09:55 |
| Oksana | By the way, libusb-win32-bin-1.2.6.0.zip , aka newer than at time of the post | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | also, that fladnag site has maemo sdk virtual image | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | work mirroring somewhere | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | *worth | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | 1457450621 bytes | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: so maybe you are listening what I post here, others don't | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot.png | 09:56 |
| Oksana | Nice... You have MADDE installer? Somebody was looking for MADDE... | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I placed it there | 10:00 |
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| Oksana | I think that he was directed to http://web.archive.org/web/20110704181414/http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/i386/ for the madde .deb , it was almost a month ago | 10:01 |
| Oksana | At #maemo-ssu | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think web.archive.org doesn't backup any .deb and similar files | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I know somebody directed him to right location ;-) | 10:02 |
| Oksana | Good :-) | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, when *anybody* dares to post a full URL to that stuff, it will vanish same minute | 10:03 |
| * Oksana did not expect Web Archive to be that stubborn. To be fair, the files are too heavy for it | 10:03 | |
| Oksana | And, web.archive.org does backup .exe ... sometimes ;-) /not posting the full URL / | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, I didn't worry about web.archive URLs | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather about URLs that are invisible | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or "forbidden", like http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/* | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you need any other file from "good old times", just holler. I guess I got everything | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe except maemo repos | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | THOSE should get mirrored! | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually eventually Nokia encouraged creating mirrors of those repos ;-) | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they were not aware of the token "protection" when they did | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe they were :-D | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most of Nokia maemo devels were wuite nice guys | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite* | 10:18 |
| * Oksana wrestles with disk space. Or actually, I could just feed flasher-3.5 long path, instead of trying to move the *.img file | 10:21 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dammit, already having https://ahrefs.com/ messing with my box | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sooo... let's see how much that stops | 10:29 |
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| Oksana | flasher-3.5 says that everything went well with launching RescueOS. Only, even when I 'mse', I do not see a sign of Windows saying "here is something attached to USB" | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for your bookmarks | 10:29 |
| Oksana | Relocating? | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't worry, you can figure it out | 10:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody with a brain could, just spiders and similar crap can't | 10:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if REFERER might give away 'secret' URLs to arbitrary websites | 10:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and prolly there are sites that actually harvest such referers | 10:33 |
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| antranigv | how to use Vk.com chat on maemo? | 11:07 |
| Maxdamantus | Now bq says my Polarcell has 1601 mAh | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: cool | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | be happy | 11:08 |
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| buZz | Oksana: archive.org is 45PB | 11:26 |
| buZz | and still growing | 11:26 |
| buZz | they dont worry a lot about diskspace | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | buzz: nice, do they have a backup? | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:26 |
| buZz | all mirrored on 4 DCs | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | nice2 | 11:26 |
| buZz | so yeah | 11:26 |
| * Maxdamantus only has 11 TB of space on his filesystem :( | 11:27 | |
| buZz | i just have 3TB at home | 11:27 |
| buZz | 16TB at hackerspace | 11:27 |
| buZz | and so many smaller systems here and there | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | i have 3TB just for steam drive | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | and another 3TB for linux stuffs | 11:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<buZz> they dont worry a lot about diskspace)) I think they are asking for donations to extend their storage space, so maybe they actually do worry a little bit | 11:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmpf. otterbox makes operating of sliding lockswitch pretty hard | 12:47 |
| kerio | maybe it's because you have fat fingers | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly, and even long fingernails | 12:54 |
| kerio | i stopped using mine because i don't really see the point | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | time to cut them. Maybe because the button is already worn on this device | 12:55 |
| kerio | also one of the tabs that hold the screen part in place is brok :( | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: I nly have this donated one here, just examined it a bit | 12:56 |
| Maxdamantus | What's the metal frame for if not absorbing energy into dents? | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes for looks | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | but in colder climates it not a good idea anyway | 12:57 |
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| arteta | hi, a friend gives me a n900, where to begin with please? (for example: updating kernel/softwares, check for up-to-date /etc/sources.list, etc) | 14:26 |
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| KotCzarny | arteta: wiki.maemo.org and talk.maemo.org | 15:45 |
| KotCzarny | two main sites | 15:45 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 15:45 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 15:45 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 15:46 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 15:46 |
| KotCzarny | if you have any questions, dont be afraid to ask | 15:46 |
| arteta | ok, thx KotCzarny :) | 15:46 |
| bencoh | and once it's all fresh and flashed, dont forget CSSU | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 15:47 |
| infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 15:47 |
| bencoh | ~cssu | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | 1st! | 15:47 |
| arteta | ty | 15:47 |
| buZz | ~list | 15:54 |
| infobot | one warez list being sent | 15:54 |
| buZz | nono | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | try help | 15:54 |
| buZz | gimme list of all factoids :P | 15:54 |
| buZz | ~help | 15:54 |
| buZz | sweet, ty | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | also, i think it has more than 100k factoids | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | so.. | 15:54 |
| buZz | yeah | 15:55 |
| buZz | needs to get exported ;) | 15:55 |
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| buZz | ghe | 17:51 |
| buZz | gonna see how well kernel 4.2.0 will compile for the n800 | 17:51 |
| buZz | so i can say i 420'd the n800 | 17:51 |
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| buZz | curious if/when i'll get a desire for serial console ^_^ | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | depends what you are doing/going to do | 19:09 |
| buZz | trying to run mainline 4.2.0 on it | 19:10 |
| buZz | on a n800* | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | remember n8x0 can easily do usb hostmode, so you can just attach usb-serial | 19:10 |
| buZz | ah right right | 19:10 |
| buZz | mainline kernel, and debian rootfs :P | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | also, you can install boot menu, log to sd card and reboot back to diablo | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | or boot to sd card and leave maemo on nand | 19:12 |
| buZz | i think i have boot menu already | 19:12 |
| buZz | at least, i have community os2008 on sd card | 19:13 |
| buZz | and get to select that during boot :P | 19:13 |
| KotCzarny | also, speaking of hostmode, usb-keyboard | 19:13 |
| buZz | :) guess i should dig up a usb hub | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | you dont even need a hub if device draws <100mA | 19:14 |
| buZz | well, but just a single port .. | 19:16 |
| buZz | ah well, compiling kernel on a ancient atom, it'll take 4 weeks | 19:16 |
| buZz | np | 19:16 |
| buZz | :) | 19:16 |
| KotCzarny | grab some cheapo dual core celeron and let it serve as scratchbox machine? | 19:17 |
| buZz | ^_^ guess i could | 19:24 |
| buZz | i'm trying to avoid using scratchbox | 19:24 |
| buZz | and just using common linux crosscompiling | 19:24 |
| buZz | as close to 'normal' as possible | 19:24 |
| buZz | atom n270 btw :) | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | then you need qemu | 19:26 |
| Wizzup | or use an arm machine | 19:26 |
| buZz | ;) | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes, preferably highclocked multicore arm monster | 19:27 |
| buZz | i think debootstrap can get pretty far without native code execution | 19:27 |
| Wizzup | if you say so | 19:27 |
| buZz | we'll see | 19:27 |
| Wizzup | (I don't think so) | 19:27 |
| Wizzup | :D | 19:27 |
| buZz | worstkaas i have a rpi2 i could use | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | but if you need recompiled gcc, you need some arm system | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | either native or emulated | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | for stage2 and 3 | 19:28 |
| buZz | nah i just gonna grab debian's prebuilds | 19:32 |
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| Wizzup | buZz: pir is not armv7 | 19:48 |
| Wizzup | buZz: you could just untar a gentoo stage | 19:48 |
| Wizzup | and then from the gentoo stage, install debian | 19:48 |
| buZz | pir? | 19:48 |
| Wizzup | pi* | 19:48 |
| buZz | oh right | 19:49 |
| Wizzup | or is the pi2 arm7? | 19:49 |
| buZz | pi2 isnt | 19:49 |
| buZz | yeah | 19:49 |
| Wizzup | ah | 19:49 |
| Wizzup | fun times | 19:49 |
| buZz | pi1 is armv6 | 19:49 |
| Wizzup | dont make a picture with flashtorch of it though | 19:49 |
| Wizzup | I heard it is camera-shy | 19:49 |
| buZz | :) yeah | 19:49 |
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| Sicelo | i know this is a tad OT, but myqsl vs. postgresql ... which would you recommend over the other? | 20:07 |
| kerio | postgres | 20:07 |
| kerio | because it's a relational database | 20:07 |
| kerio | as opposed to mysql which is a joke | 20:07 |
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| Pali | Sicelo: depends on usage | 20:20 |
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| DocAvalanche | ~botsnack | 20:37 |
| infobot | DocAvalanche: aw, gee | 20:37 |
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| Sicelo | thanks Pali :) | 20:44 |
| Sicelo | will research further the relative strengths & weaknesses of either of these | 20:45 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo: mysql went commercial | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | free one was forked and renamed mariadb | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 23:18 |
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| ds3 | really? so no more dual licensed mysql? | 23:52 |
| Luke-Jr | ds3: basically mysql renamed and the corporate forked under the old name | 23:55 |
| ds3 | the nice thing about dual license is it provides a level of assurance of compatibility | 23:58 |
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