IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2015-08-08

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stryngsWhoever wrote python2.7-minimal03:04
stryngsYou should be:03:04
stryngsShot, Hung, Drawn and Quartered03:04
stryngsIn that order03:04
stryngsln: /usr/lib/python2.7/python2.7: File exists03:05
stryngsdpkg: error processing python2.7-minimal (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 103:05
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rechargedokay, so my phone will not hold a charge throughout fsck. is there any way I can do it through my own computer?05:30
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stryngsrecharged: wall jack?05:35
rechargedyou can't charge the phone while using fsck on rescueos. there's only one terminal, and you have to charge the battery manually with a script.05:37
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ZetaRDoes anyone have SFLPhone working on the N900? There is sflphone-common and sflphone-client-gnome in extras-devel but their versions don't match, so they don't install.06:15
ZetaRAFAICT, it is the only SRTP/ZRTP capable softphone currently ported on the N900.06:16
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infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh06:46
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infobot[combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
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NIN101recharged: set up usb networking and then access resuceos via telnet, then you can have several terminals09:47
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KotCzarnynin101: is screen binary included?09:52
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KotCzarnyproperly configured it can act as a window manager09:53
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NIN101no, it's not included atm.09:54
NIN101I'm surprised so many bother to do things directly on the N900 keyboard, it's inconvenient :-).09:55
KotCzarnynin101, needs a hint in motd?09:55
KotCzarnyit's not obvious ;)09:55
KotCzarnyalso, hint idea: 'reinit-emmc.sh09:56
NIN101hmm, maybe. but people should read the readme, and there it's mentioned.09:57
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NIN101KotCzarny: to restore parittion table etc.?09:57
KotCzarnynin101, i did read, yet i forgot, that's why motd is a fine place for it09:57
KotCzarnynin101: that's another thing, i thought about fsck/mkdosfs (with cluster size ask)/reinit file structure (tar -x of defaults?)09:58
KotCzarnyand maybe emmc size changer, maybe09:58
KotCzarnybut the last one is very optional09:59
NIN101ok, I'll add it to the todo.09:59
rechargednin101: how do I do that? sorry09:59
KotCzarnyrecharged: check if ifconfig usb0 on pc prints out anything10:00
KotCzarny(when connected to rescueos)10:00
NIN101/rescueOS/ is the script, then check for usb0 on your PC.10:02
KotCzarnynin101: does usbnetworking work with charging script?10:02
KotCzarnywhy not enable it by default then?10:03
NIN101"Use it only with the wallcharger,10:03
NIN101as it pulls 950 mA, and USB is not designed for that10:03
NIN101(some ports can do it though, don't try if in doubt.)"10:03
NIN101so yeah actually it could be a problem :-).10:03
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KotCzarnyand print in motd: you can now (on pc) modprobe g_ether; ifconfig usb0 something; telnet something10:03
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KotCzarnyi mean, enable usb networking by default10:04
KotCzarnypreconfigured and announced in motd how to connect from pc10:04
KotCzarnyit will have bonus points for fixing n900s with broken screens ;)10:05
rechargedi'm getting some issues when trying to boot rescueos, want me to copy it to pastebin?10:05
KotCzarny(if there are such things)10:05
NIN101KotCzarny: ok, I'll add it to the todo10:05
NIN101recharged: ok10:05
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KotCzarny0xffff can boot without flashing too?10:07
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NIN101I have never tried it with 0xffff, people just told me it works10:15
rechargedit did for me yesterday and this morning10:15
rechargedand now it didn't10:15
rechargedalthough my phone may be dead10:15
KotCzarnyrecharged: define dead, what exactly did you do10:17
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rechargedwell, I let it sit in my car earlier while it was doing fsck and I was at work. it was connected to cable to charge because I knew it would die, it was at 40% and nowhere close to finishing.10:18
KotCzarnythere is no such thing as dead n90010:18
rechargedI thought that maybe after it died while attempting to fsck it would start charging and it would be charged after work10:19
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rechargedbut it probably didn't10:19
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KotCzarnymaybe battery is flat10:20
KotCzarnydo you nave anything where you can charge it externally?10:20
rechargedi'm charging it now10:21
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KotCzarnyyou can buy some cheap bl-5j replacement, just for torturing n900 while you fix it10:26
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KotCzarnywhich you won't be sorry to cycle so much10:26
KotCzarnythey are usually good enough in first few tens/hundreds of cycles10:27
rechargedyeah, i got one of them10:27
rechargedi can't remember if that one died or my original10:27
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rechargedbut it died really quickly10:28
KotCzarnycould be original10:28
rechargedis there such a thing as a good nokia battery?10:28
KotCzarnyproperly stored, even few years old ones should be good enough10:29
rechargeddo they make new bl-5j batteries?10:29
KotCzarnythey were used in nokia first ashas10:29
KotCzarnynokia asha 302 (released march 2012)10:31
totalizatoryup, plenty of them online10:32
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KotCzarnytotalizator, i think he asked about nokia brand new ones10:32
KotCzarnyare they still produced?10:32
totalizatordefine "new"10:33
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KotCzarnynew as in 'out of factory in 2014/2015'10:33
KotCzarnynokia lumia 530 (released august 2014)10:35
KotCzarnyit also uses bl-5j10:35
KotCzarnythe new nokia's bl-5j has 1430mAh10:35
totalizatorand the n900 one is?10:36
KotCzarny12x0 something10:37
KotCzarnyerm. 132010:37
totalizatoroh, neat10:37
totalizatorthen maybe I will finally reflash my N900 (never done it) and buy new battery10:37
KotCzarnytotalizator, one word, polarcell10:38
infoboti guess polarcell is BL-5J Replacement10:38
totalizatornoted that, thx10:38
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totalizatorreflashing my n900 after all these years feels almost like killing it Q__Q10:40
totalizatorI don't want to10:40
KotCzarnyone word:10:40
infobotbackupmenu is, like,
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totalizatoryeah, I'm obsessed with creating disk images of all kinds aaand I never use them later :310:41
KotCzarnyi think backupmenu uses tar10:42
totalizatorI will try it, thx10:43
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totalizatorKotCzarny: can you remind me what is avg power consumption of n800?13:51
KotCzarnynever checked n800 i think13:51
KotCzarnybut should work ~7-10 days in idle13:51
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KotCzarnyand few hours under load with screen and wifi on13:51
totalizatorI would like to know if it's pore eco than raspi and others13:51
totalizatormore eco*13:51
totalizatorI have decomissioned my HP terminal from my home network ;) and I want take n800 a replacement - finally, after all these years13:53
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KotCzarnyhe he13:53
KotCzarnycomplete with home audio server?13:54
KotCzarnypermament on-charger will kill battery i think though13:54
totalizatorI don't care :3 I had it connected via usb-power cable for ~1 year (irc monitor) and it works just fine13:56
totalizatorif I could create www control panel for oscp then it would be perfect audio server replacement (for my needs)13:57
KotCzarnyyou can13:57
KotCzarnyit's trivial13:57
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KotCzarnyand i think there is undocumented feature that writing command to a file in /tmp will make it read and execute it13:58
KotCzarnybut if you know a little python or php you can easily write your own cgi-script13:58
totalizatoroh, that's cool, I'll try13:59
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KotCzarnyand if you really want i may built simple www interface directly13:59
totalizatorand pleeeease - try to create PKGBUILD and put oscp in Archlinux AUR13:59
totalizatorKotCzarny: that would force me to buy you a large beer finally :314:00
KotCzarnyi rhink file is named /tmp/oscp.slave14:01
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KotCzarnycode path could be disabled temporarily though14:02
KotCzarnyanyway, controlling oscp is as simple as opening socket at port 44322 (default), writing something there, closing socket14:03
totalizatorfancy, little solution; thanks for the forum link14:04
KotCzarnybtw. oscp also can be controlled via lirc (ie. infrared remote on usb)14:05
KotCzarnyOR radio remote on usb14:06
KotCzarnyradio remote has a bonus points for working from different rooms without direct line to receiver14:06
KotCzarnyi use cheapest on i've found on allegro14:07
KotCzarnysimilar to this one:
KotCzarnyit reports 2mA max power usage14:10
KotCzarnynever tried it on n800 though, just pc14:11
totalizatorI have bought dvbt stick (for my home IP TV) without a remote and this solves the problem haha14:14
KotCzarnyyeah, if you have display visible and readable you can even navigate the same way as from keyboard14:14
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KotCzarnymapped buttons for quickdirs too etc14:15
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totalizatori never thought it's so cheap14:15
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KotCzarnyi bet you can get it even cheaper from china/hk14:16
newbieAlertHey hi, i have just got an used n900. To update it to CSSU, is the previous method okay or do i need tomake some changes to repos. ?? And , it is PR1.3 and no update for 1.3.1 is being notfied. :/14:17
infobotsomebody said cssu was, or (Community Seamless Software Update)14:17
KotCzarnyi guess you can use one-click installs at the top14:18
KotCzarnybut read the whole page first14:18
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Yep I know that. *Nokia Repos enabled* its writeen there. Are they working ??14:18
infoboti guess maemo-repos is
KotCzarnysee there for replacements14:19
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Thanks :)14:19
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Was not getting any noptification for 1.3.114:19
DocScrutinizer05don't worry, 1.3.1 is included in CSSU as well14:20
KotCzarnybut remember to use application manager, apt won't do you good there14:20
DocScrutinizer05actually CSSU prought it to maemo14:20
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VajbKotCzarny: just a thought but could oscp run as media server for ps3? I once fiddled with media servers, but couldn't get them to work for some reason.16:55
KotCzarnymedia server in which way?16:55
Vajbi think ps3 asks for certain type of media server16:55
KotCzarnyit wants files or streams (encoded/decoded/raw) ?16:56
Vajbi can't answer correctly right now, but if you wish you can google which type it needs or I can try to find out later.16:57
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KotCzarnymind you, i never owned any ps16:58
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Vajbso it would be like widening your conciousness :D16:58
KotCzarnymore like poking in the dark16:58
Vajbbut to be honest thought just crossed my mind and i babled it out before i forgot :)16:59
KotCzarnydefine your need17:00
KotCzarnywhat plays, from where, where is the control ui17:00
KotCzarnyn900 is on the device support list17:05
KotCzarnythough i think n900 and ps3 is the client17:06
KotCzarnyand yeah, if you want n900 to server media for ps3, you need dlna server that would run on n90017:09
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Vajbactually i was remembering that you said oscp runs on any distro17:24
KotCzarnyso you want to run oscp on ps3 ?17:25
Vajbso i was thinking of installing it on my linux box and servering music for ps317:25
Vajbit's debian based crunchbang distro17:25
KotCzarnyhmm, does ps3 have line-in jack?17:25
Vajbi think not17:25
KotCzarnydoes your amp have multiple inputs?17:25
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KotCzarnybecause you can connect linux box to amp, then ps3 to line-in to linux box17:26
KotCzarnys/to li/on li/17:26
infobotKotCzarny meant: because you can connect linux box to amp, then ps3 on line-in to linux box17:26
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KotCzarnyps3 doesnt have line-out17:28
KotCzarnydo you have digital-in on your linux box?17:28
Vajbhmm not sure, but they are on different stores anyway17:30
Vajbso not possible to connect with wire17:30
KotCzarnyok, where are the files, pc box, ps3, amp17:30
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Vajbso pc would act as server. ps 3 would act as client to select file to play from pc and ps3 and amp are connected already17:32
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KotCzarnyyour best bet would be now mounting pc box exports (either via nfs or samba) on ps3, then using any audio player on ps317:33
KotCzarnyunless you have ps3 players and like oscp interface17:34
Vajbwell last time my problem was that when i created server i couldn't find it in ps317:35
KotCzarnysamba or nfs?17:36
Vajbi think it was that ps3mediaserver thingy you linked17:36
KotCzarnymaybe it was blocked on firewall17:37
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Vajbhmm but i tried to work in lan17:37
KotCzarnyanother way would be running oscp on pc box with icecast server, then connecting ps3 to this stream17:38
Vajbi have 4g router17:38
Vajbso all conections go through that17:38
KotCzarnybut then there is a question how would you control it, html interface is on the todo in oscp17:38
Vajbyes then it would be more like my own radiostream17:39
KotCzarnyso right now it's either telnet/ssh or pygtk on ps317:39
KotCzarnybut, you have n900, right? you can run pygtk-remote on n900 to control oscp-core on pc box which would icecast music to ps317:40
KotCzarnyhow cool is that? ;)17:40
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KotCzarnygrab oscp-pkg-x86-linux.tar.gz17:50
Vajbquite cool actually, but i need to think this through17:50
KotCzarnyand if your pc box is old, grab  oscp-pkg-x86-i586mmx-linux.tar.gz17:50
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KotCzarnyjust unpack to /, shouldn't conflict with anything17:53
KotCzarnyhaven't tried it on x64 os though17:54
Vajbi have that old athlon tb 1,3ghz17:56
KotCzarnythen it's not that old17:56
Vajbso it's solid 32 :)17:56
KotCzarnyby old i meant anything pre pentium II17:57
KotCzarnyand those hp terminals without sse instructions17:57
Vajbwell old as computer world17:57
KotCzarnyi still have thinkpad 760l17:57
KotCzarnywhopping 64M of ram17:58
KotCzarny(base was 16 or 8 dont remember)17:58
Vajbi might accept amiga if offered17:58
KotCzarny1200 and newer?17:59
Vajbi've only used 500 and 100018:04
Vajband only for gaming18:04
KotCzarnysuper smooth gaming18:05
KotCzarnyeven now, with powerful rigs, we have jerking, tearing, lowfps18:06
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Vajbmaybe has something to do with code optimisation18:19
KotCzarnyit was about chip design18:20
Vajblike if you think of old demo's made to 1,44...18:20
Vajbthey look awesome and only take such a small space18:20
KotCzarnyi was talking about vsync implementation18:22
Vajbbeats me heh18:22
Vajbbut i have another example18:22
Vajbback in the days we used to have flash 6. something and it played all videos flawlesly18:23
Vajbnow we have flash don't know what and it can't play shit18:23
Vajbspeaking of my athlon powered desktop18:24
Vajbactually that is the case with my gf's laptop too18:24
Vajbif i wanna watch something i better dload it first18:25
Vajbso first thing coming to my mind is badly optimized code18:25
Vajbor too bloated code18:26
Siceloor more demanding media ... today's videos won't play on that Flash 6 pc18:27
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KotCzarnyi remember tryng to play mp3 on a50018:30
KotCzarnybuffering, buffering18:30
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Vajbhmm how can media be more demanding? 640x480 would be the same anytime, right?18:34
KotCzarnyyes, but you have to unpack data18:35
Vajbthat leads me to another question. Is there even less output bringing command for mplayer than -really-quiet?18:37
KotCzarnyyou can control all different message types and verbosities18:38
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Palifuck of! why tor package in debian repo depends on systemd??18:45
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PaliKotCzarny: no this is not funny anymore!18:46
PaliDocScrutinizer05 see ^^^^18:47
KotCzarnypali, how people in devuan handle it?18:47
Palido not know...18:47
KotCzarnycheck their packages18:48
PaliI just saw this stupid dependency..18:48
KotCzarnyor slackware18:48
KotCzarnybut seriously, stupid18:49
Vajbis there a command for shell script to prevent n900 screen saver while it runs?18:57
Vajbmeaning while script runs screen wont blank18:57
KotCzarnyrun mplayer and pause it?18:59
Vajbit's script which produces output at certain times over ten minutes19:03
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Vajbso i don't think pausing mplayer would do the trick19:04
Vajbor maybe it would....lemme see if i have some video19:05
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Vajbnope doesn not19:09
Vajbnor does stock player19:12
Vajboh well im off19:13
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KotCzarnyugh, if anyone wrote anything for me, please repaste19:44
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povbotBug 7132: audio hiccups in fm radio when sleeping19:46
KotCzarnyhehe, another iteration of 'glitch on window activity'19:46
KotCzarnyreported 2009-12, unanswered 2010-0519:46
KotCzarnyrun this in bash loop with sleep 25 between19:53
KotCzarnyie: while [ 1 ]; do dbuscommand; sleep 25; done19:53
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Siceloor look at the source of the brightness applet (status menu) and see if there's some dbus magic for it19:55
KotCzarnysicelo, mplayer uses some wm magic i think, but he asked for cmdline solution19:56
* Sicelo can't sync contacts between the 2 N900 via bluetooth .. time to debug20:01
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Siceloah, it's a known bug for CSSU :(21:02
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Sicelomain N900 has wrong bluetooth device class "Miscellaneous", 0x520000 .. wonder where that comes from21:27
VajbKotCzarny: thx! Works like a charm. I was looking from the right place, but with wrong terms.21:28
KotCzarnyvajb: save it as a script21:29
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Vajbi imped it in my script21:35
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Vajbi thought it's smart idea as my script is about time interwalls anyways21:35
PaliSicelo: with hciconfig it is possible to change bluetooth class21:36
Sicelotrying that right now .. had tried /etc/bluetooth/main.conf .. doesn't seem to make much of a difference21:36
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Sicelocontacts sync fine now21:38
Sicelojust wondering how to make this permanent .. not sure why the class in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf isn't being honored21:39
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DocScrutinizer05Vajb: I think you need a periodic dbus message to keep screenblanker from kicking in22:23
DocScrutinizer05or maybe even x msg22:24
DocScrutinizer05or lib call22:24
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VajbDocScrutinizer05: that command get's executed at every minute in my script now and it works fine. Tho I would prefer better solution if there is one22:42
Vajbevery minute as my screen saver time is set to one minute22:43
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PaliSicelo: some maemo app change it23:09
Paliso any global files are rewritten at runtime..23:09
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