IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2015-07-17

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Vajbheh, all that audio talk here made me think, is there frequency response measurement software for n900?02:01
KotCzarnymost likely yes02:01
Vajbtho i guess n900 mic quality wouldn't be enough02:01
Vajbalso i just noticed that yappari has disconnected and wont connect again02:03
Vajbjust checking to see if there is an update, but ham is taking her usually02:03
Vajbbtw KotCzarny, most likely yes for ap or insufficient mic quality?02:04
KotCzarnyfor fft display/finder02:05
KotCzarnywrong way, scratch that02:06
Vajbcool, update fixed yappari02:13
bencohI wouldnt worry too much about it not being "good enoug" (well, it's probably terrible anyway :p) ... people do fft/audio measurements with an iphone/ipad these days02:17
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KotCzarnyyou can always connect external mic of better quality02:18
bencohor do a clean calibration (white noise / pink noise) to get the response curve of the mic02:19
KotCzarnythat's assuming it's linear over volume/freq02:19
bencoherr not pink02:20
bencohyeah ... you can also try it at different levels :)02:20
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bencoh"The website is temporarily in static offline mode" wtf02:21
bencoh(for awt)02:21
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KotCzarnyyeah, sf has it's ups and downs02:21
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KotCzarnyanyone with qt experience to compile/port qloud ?02:24
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DocScrutinizer05for frequency response you easily can calibrate the most crappy microphone you could find, as long as it does cover the relevant frequency range at all02:51
DocScrutinizer05ooh bencoh beat me to it02:52
vectisdoes alsa oss emulation work for n8x0? need it for this to work:
KotCzarnyvectis: if you talk about internal audio card of n8x0, nope02:54
KotCzarnyyou've checked and seen only /dev/dsp102:55
vectisyer sorry, it's late02:55
KotCzarnyand if you need player for weird formats, have you checked oscp?02:55
KotCzarnyit uses uade2 and xmp libs02:56
vectisit was the graphic eq that caught my eye02:56
erlehmanndid someone of you fix a n900 with a broken screen and found data from the previous owner on it?02:57
erlehmannif so, thanks!02:57
erlehmannbencoh slashdot is also in static offline mode02:57
erlehmannseems this thing is huge!02:57
KotCzarnyvectis: you mean visualization or audio processor?02:58
KotCzarnyi shall merge oscp and osc one day02:59
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DocScrutinizer05(static offline mode) seems today is update day03:03
erlehmanni replaced the sources.list stuff03:04
erlehmannstuff works again03:04
erlehmannmy GF might like this03:04
erlehmannshe was frustrated because nokia sources.list entries do not work03:04
erlehmannand she could not install libncursesw5 or something03:05
erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 feel free to come to the hobelschlunzen village03:06
erlehmannwe will have sandwiches03:06
DocScrutinizer05like your CoC03:07
erlehmannyeah, incidentally i asked the biggest bully i would find in our village to formulate it03:07
erlehmannand she knew exactly what people hated about her behaviour03:07
DocScrutinizer05it's great03:07
erlehmannand apparently intends to behave03:07
KotCzarnyanyway, nite nite03:08
erlehmannthe cheap meat thing must go i think03:08
erlehmannrest is fine03:08
erlehmannmaybe at the camp someone can help with updating a n900 to recent firmware?03:09
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh03:10
DocScrutinizer05watch out, it does a complete fresh install, not a simple update03:11
DocScrutinizer05update would be sth like03:11
infoboti heard cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)03:11
DocScrutinizer05on top of such fresh install03:11
erlehmann> flash-it-all.sh03:12
erlehmanngood idea!03:12
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, it sucked to reflash a dozen devices03:13
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DocScrutinizer05with this lil fancy, it works like "err what did ya say? sorry, I just flashed a N900"03:14
erlehmannincidentally did you know about my implementation of DJB redo
DocScrutinizer05I hardly ever have to deal with make03:16
DocScrutinizer05so, alas no03:16
erlehmannDJB has this really neat design03:16
erlehmannand i asked him twice and he claimed to have implemented it03:16
erlehmannbut not released03:16
erlehmannso i wrote it myself in like 300 lines of shell script03:16
erlehmannand it is beautiful03:17
DocScrutinizer05the shorter the prettier03:17
erlehmannalso, see this video of me and a friend trying to imitate alpakas
erlehmannyeah, deleted code is debugged code03:17
DocScrutinizer05actually the only app I ever contributed to maemo by myself has zilch real code at all ;-)03:19
erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 one problem with make is that a file depends on its own build rules – if they change, it should be rebuilt. but if you have a single makefile, that would mean that everything needs to be rebuilt as soon as that file changes.03:19
erlehmannredo solves this by having the rules for a target „foo“ in a dofile called „“03:20
DocScrutinizer05hmm, yep03:20
erlehmannwhich is just a shell script that writes the build result to stdout or $303:20 builds foo. if no exists, is used.03:21
erlehmannsame for other stuff, so you can type „redo test.png“ and it looks first for and then for default.png.do03:21
DocScrutinizer05nice concept03:21
erlehmannyeah, i did not invent it. only implement it!03:22
erlehmannbut it is very different from make because the dependencies are created from the build03:22
erlehmannnot the other way round03:22
DocScrutinizer05sorry afk03:22
DocScrutinizer05actually good night :-)03:24
erlehmannthe magic is in one thing, the command „redo-ifchange” – called from a dofile “redo-ifchange dependency.bin” means “build dependency.bin – and then, if that built changed, rebuilt the current target”03:24
erlehmanngood night!03:24
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VajbKotCzarny: yeah. I got REW for pc09:03
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* Maxdamantus wonders if the cellular connectivity on his ThinkPad is likely to be better than typical phones.11:52
KotCzarnybut usually you can put better antenna11:52
* Maxdamantus sometimes goes somewhere that doesn't have proper coverage.11:53
KotCzarnygrab some external one, maybe11:53
Maxdamantusbut can usually send/receive SMS while walking along the beach.11:53
Maxdamantus(on a phone)11:54
KotCzarnyor just usb gsm stick with usb extension cord11:54
* L29Ah uses an android phone to feed his thinkpad with 3g internet11:54
KotCzarnysomething for maemo ;)11:56
L29Ahwtf am i reading11:57
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KotCzarnyremember that joke?
KotCzarnynow it can be a reality :>12:11
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ceenei think i'll have a complete mirror of made public soon13:18
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ceenenow I have something wrong with repos13:20
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infobotIf you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list13:24
ceenei don't like that13:25
infobotrumour has it, apt is a stuild bot, said by Cotulla13:25
KotCzarnyceene, which platform? n8x0 or n900?13:29
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ceeneuh, i think i got it right now, there's simply no such thing as only http://repository.maemo.org13:30
KotCzarnydeb .13:30
KotCzarnydeb ./13:30
KotCzarnydeb fremantle free non-free13:30
KotCzarnydeb fremantle free non-free13:30
KotCzarnythose are mine13:30
ceenethat's what i broke13:31
ceenethank you!13:31
ceenei'm preparing a mirror like that mirrors.muarf.org13:31
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KotCzarnymaybe admins can prepare roundrobin dns13:31
KotCzarnyso it could use all those public nokia copies13:32
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ceene went down too :(13:35
KotCzarnybencoh, ping13:42
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infobotit has been said that repos is deb ./;; deb ./14:03
KotCzarnyinfobot: repos is
infobotKotCzarny: okay14:04
infobothmm... repos is deb ./;; deb ./14:04
KotCzarnyinfobot: no, repos is
infoboti already had it that way, KotCzarny14:04
KotCzarnyinfobot: ~repos is
infobotKotCzarny: okay14:04
infobotmethinks repos is deb ./;; deb ./14:04
KotCzarnyhow do i use that thing?14:04
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ceeneinfobot: obey KotCzarny14:06
KotCzarnyit ignored you too14:07
ceeneinfobot: KotCzarny is a friend14:08
infobotceene: okay14:08
infobotwell, kotczarny is a friend14:08
ceeneinfobot: KotCzarny is a good friend14:08
infobot...but kotczarny is already something else...14:08
ceeneinfobot: KotCzarny is a good friend14:08
infobot...but kotczarny is already something else...14:08
ceeneinfobot: really, KotCzarny is a good friend14:08
infobotceene: what are you talking about?14:08
ceeneinfobot: modify KotCzarny is a good friend14:09
infobotceene: okay14:09
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infobothmm... kotczarny is a friend14:09
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ceeneinfobot: you're not very intelligent, are you?14:09
infobotno *you're* not very intelligent, are you14:09
ceene~modify KotCzarny14:09
infobotfrom memory, modify kotczarny is a good friend14:09
infobotit has been said that infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command!14:09
KotCzarnyrepos is at
infobothmm... repos is deb ./;; deb ./14:10
ceene~delete repos14:11
* infobot glares at repos and then takes every step necessary to completely delete repos and destroy any and all evidence that repos ever existed14:11
KotCzarny~factinfo repos14:11
infoboterror: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)14:11
infobotrepos -- created by KotCzarny <> 7m 11s ago.14:11
infobotwell, repos is deb ./;; deb ./14:11
ceenethis thing must have something hardcoded14:12
KotCzarnylooks like14:12
KotCzarnyalso, you need +o for some actions14:12
KotCzarnymaemo-repos is at
KotCzarnyinfobot: maemo-repos is
infobotKotCzarny: okay14:13
infoboti heard maemo-repos is
KotCzarnygood enough.14:13
infobot[repos] deb ./;; deb ./14:21
ceene~forget repos14:21
infobotceene: i forgot repos14:21
infobothmm... repos is deb ./;; deb ./14:21
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infobotrumour has it, repos is deb ./;; deb ./14:54
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DocScrutinizer05~listvalues muarf14:57
infobotFactoid search of 'muarf' by value (1): #maemo repos.14:57
DocScrutinizer05~literal repos15:00
infobot"#maemo repos" is "deb ./;; deb ./"15:00
DocScrutinizer05~no, #maemo repos is deb ./;; deb ./15:00
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo repos is deb ./;; deb ./15:00
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i already had it that way15:00
infobotDocScrutinizer05: aw, gee15:00
DocScrutinizer05~literal _default repos15:02
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys repos15:03
infobotFactoid search of 'repos' by key (13): ~repos ;; deb ;; repositories ;; repositary ;; repos #DEL# ;; pureftpd repository ;; repository lists ;; maemo-repos ;; repository #DEL# ;; #maemo repos ;; qtopia repository ;; elive-repository ;; debian repos howto.15:03
KotCzarnyi think it needs rewiring15:03
KotCzarnyor electro shock15:03
DocScrutinizer05~literal deb15:03
infobot" deb" is "unofficial, all warrantees void,"15:03
DocScrutinizer05~forget deb15:04
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot deb15:04
DocScrutinizer05~unforget deb15:04
infobotDocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered ' deb'.  Have fun now.15:04
DocScrutinizer05~literal repositary15:05
infobot"repositary" is "no longer up to date.. I haven't yet set up mirroring.."15:05
DocScrutinizer05~forget repositary15:05
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot repositary15:05
DocScrutinizer05~literal maemo-repository15:06
DocScrutinizer05~literal maemo-repos15:06
infobot"maemo-repos" is ""15:06
L29Ahinfobot: foo is bar15:06
* infobot foo! || <action> bar is bar || <reply> foo is bar bar || foo15:06
KotCzarnybar bar?15:07
DocScrutinizer05~forget modify KotCzarny15:09
infoboti forgot modify kotczarny, DocScrutinizer0515:09
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DocScrutinizer05~forget KotCzarny15:10
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot kotczarny15:10
L29Ah~forget DocScrutinizer0515:10
infobotL29Ah: cannot alter locked factoids15:10
infobotit has been said that docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko15:10
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DocScrutinizer05~factinfo foo is bar15:12
infobotDocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as foo is bar15:12
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo foo is15:12
infobotthere's no such factoid as foo is, DocScrutinizer0515:12
KotCzarny~factinfo foo15:13
infoboterror: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)15:13
infobotfoo -- last modified at Tue Dec 12 21:09:39 2006 by do3mca_!; it has been requested 54 times, last by Ashley` at Tue Dec 31 09:16:40 2013.15:13
DocScrutinizer05~literal foo15:13
infobot"foo" is "bar"15:13
DocScrutinizer05~literal foo is15:13
* infobot foo! || <action> bar is || <reply> foo is bar || foo15:13
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bencohKotCzarny: pong ?15:59
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DerHatis it a good idea to connect a simple dc-dc converter (3.6 or 3.7V and max about 70 ampere) as n900 battery with only + and - pin?16:28
DerHatjust for flash the device!16:28
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DerHata couple years ago i done this technique in motorola because i got no charge cable :D but i done with battery and 5V. working well that time16:29
DerHatnot sure about n900. somebody told me bl-5j battery wants a pulsed charge source16:30
stryngsDerHat: I've tried that before16:31
stryngsIt wasn't an adjustable source, but it met the "requirements" so to speak16:32
stryngsIt turned on, but never booted properly.16:32
stryngsDidn't hurt it though.16:32
stryngsIt was when I was without a battery16:32
DerHatdid u tryed with battery?16:32
L29AhDerHat: you can connect it in parallel with the battery16:33
L29Ahand make sure its output voltage is no more than Vbat + 200mV16:33
DerHat:/ i measured Vbat == 2.8V16:34
DerHatyesterday i read 3.416:34
L29Ahthen gradually go up16:34
L29Ahas it charges16:34
L29Ahjust make sure you don't push over an ampere of current16:35
DerHatwell, + to batteries + and same -?16:35
DerHatno problem, i got variable resistors:P16:35
KotCzarnyi think someone said you need to connect resistance to middle pin if you want to fake 'battery'16:38
DocScrutinizer05DerHat: (dc-dc converter) not really. You need at least 4V, proper absolutely secure regulation, low ESR (thick cables) connection, and a resistor from BSI contact to GND16:39
DerHatrasp pi could perfectly be a n900 loader, it has got a 3.7V gpio and never go about 1 amp16:39
DerHatDocScrutinizer my dc-dc is variable from 1.5 to 40V16:40
DocScrutinizer05that's a problem when it istn't rock solid stable16:40
L29Ahnah i charged liion batteries with a crappy chinese lab psu and it went well16:41
DerHatcould a large capacitor help?16:41
L29Ahno unless it's larger than your n90016:41
DocScrutinizer05it needs to guarantee the the voltage never exceeds 4.200 Volt (ok device might survive a 6V even)16:41
DocScrutinizer05a large capacitor next to the battery contact for sure helps - large here is in the range of several 1000uF16:42
L29Ahhe doesn't need to get even close to 4.216:42
KotCzarnyumkay, got the otg cable for n800, time for some tests16:42
DerHatDocScrutinizer i can guarantee 4.1V and 0.01V accuracy. is that enougth?16:42
DocScrutinizer05yes, perfect16:42
DocScrutinizer05you need a 75kR (iirc) from BSI to GND16:43
KotCzarnykilo ohm16:43
DocScrutinizer05kilo Ohms16:43
DerHatok, bsi?16:43
DocScrutinizer05Battery size Indicator16:43
L29Ahyou don't need it if you're leaving your battery in16:43
DerHatokay, understood all now:)16:44
DerHatthx very much ^^16:44
DocScrutinizer05the shorter 3rd contact on N90016:44
KotCzarnyfirst try, failed to connect16:44
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KotCzarnysecond try, same16:45
KotCzarnyanyone knows if i need some special magic for n800 host mode usb?16:46
DocScrutinizer05you need usb hostmode16:46
KotCzarnyfor example, if i need power adaptor connected16:46
DocScrutinizer05several apps have a toggle for enabling hostmode16:46
KotCzarny[root@Nokia-N800-43-7:/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc]# cat mode16:47
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: I don't know what it takes to enable hostmode on N800, simply use one of the apps available16:48
KotCzarnyit should work automagically with os2008 kernel16:48
DocScrutinizer05N8x0 doesn't detect USB ID pin GND to switch to host mode automatically, afaik16:48
KotCzarnytrying forcing16:48
KotCzarny[91630.039062] hub 1-0:1.0: 192mA power budget left16:49
KotCzarnyfricking autosuspend16:49
KotCzarnyalso, n800 rebooted16:50
KotCzarny[91630.039062] usb 1-1: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power16:51
KotCzarnytime for some kernel hacking16:51
DocScrutinizer05hihi, check H-E-N16:51
DocScrutinizer05we kicked that stuff out with the huge boot16:51
DocScrutinizer05that's OTG stuff not really helpful for generic hostmode16:52
infobotfrom memory, hen is hostmode-easy-now, or, or see ~hostmode16:52
DocScrutinizer05there's a blacklist and a whitelist, plus that generic power budget stuff, in OTG kernel modules16:53
KotCzarnybut it's n80016:53
DocScrutinizer05so? the kernel's OTG stuff prolly doesn't differ16:54
KotCzarnyk, just thought there is some kernel patching needed16:54
DocScrutinizer05exactly, and we did that for N900 H-E-N16:54
DocScrutinizer05see garage H-E-N hostmode kernel16:55
KotCzarnyk, do you have some n800 specific hints/patches then?16:55
DocScrutinizer05sorry nope16:55
DocScrutinizer05I just know we seen same problem on N900. And I seem to recall I used e.g. kbd on N810 without any problems, just needs switching to hostmode with some settings app, tehre are at least 2 or 316:57
DocScrutinizer05afk, cheers16:57
KotCzarnyi';ve switched to host mode ok, it's just that usb config rejected the device as it 'needs' 500mA in config16:57
KotCzarnyyet it draws ~30mA in reality16:57
DocScrutinizer05yes, and that's exactly what I instructed mohammadAG to comment out one line of code in kernel (or change a '1' to '0' or sth) to skip that stuff16:58
KotCzarnyyeah, going to do the same, just hope i wont need to reflash16:59
DocScrutinizer05check the H-E-N hostmode kernel patches, you'll find it there17:00
KotCzarnywill do17:00
DerHatDocScrutinizer one more question, should i start with 4.1V or lower?17:00
KotCzarnyif i find them17:00
DocScrutinizer054V1 is fine17:00
DocScrutinizer05unless you connect battery in parallel, sth I strongly discourage you to do17:00
KotCzarnyidea, group project to make dummy 'batteries' to run exclusively on external power (n8x0 and n900)17:01
KotCzarnypiece of plastic + regulator from ~5V to 3.7V + 75kR resistor17:02
KotCzarny+ usb port and/or charger (barrel) port17:05
DerHatDocScrutinizer i connected and forgot resistance, it was like a short circuit :S17:05
KotCzarnywrong pins? did you fry it?17:05
DerHatfry? no pins was correct, + on + and - on -17:06
DerHatno fry, dc-dc converter just shows 1V when i short it17:06
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KotCzarnywow, n800 has usb2 hostcontroller17:22
DerHatn800 is the old n900?17:26
DerHator a newer versionß17:26
KotCzarnyit's a different animal17:27
KotCzarnybut yes, it's the predecessor17:27
DerHatcan you say something about nokia lumia 920?17:27
DerHator suggest a other new phone for me?:D17:27
KotCzarnynever touched any lumia17:27
DerHatmaybe cubot ^^17:27
KotCzarnyas for the suggestions, what do you need the 'phone' for17:28
DerHatunder water + metal case17:28
DerHatfor phoning17:28
DerHatlisten music17:28
DerHatwatch some p0rn17:28
KotCzarnydefine programming17:28
DerHattools e.g. send commands to network17:29
DerHatgles games17:29
DerHate.g. is a short for "for example" am i right? ^^17:31
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DerHatcharging with 180mA 4.1V17:55
DerHatampere is getting lower, 160 now17:56
KotCzarnywow, battery in my n-gage still holds charge17:58
KotCzarnyeven after 10 years17:58
auenfx4for 5 minutes though?17:59
KotCzarnynope, booted fully17:59
KotCzarnyand still shows 3 bars17:59
DerHatsounds like nokia quality:P17:59
KotCzarnyyeah, bluestar battery :P17:59
DerHator sony17:59
KotCzarnyok, i lied, battery was produced in 201018:00
KotCzarnybut still, it was laying on the shelf for a few years18:00
DerHat5 years18:00
DerHat20 cat-years^^18:00
KotCzarnylast recorded sms on it is from 2010-1118:01
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KotCzarnyso still, battery holding ~40% charge without self-discharging?18:01
L29Ahif it was full, it's okay18:01
DerHatmemory effect?18:01
L29Ahfuck you and your memory effect on liions18:02
DerHatno memory effect on liions?18:02
KotCzarnyyeah, it brings memories18:02
L29Ahmemory effect is a feature of NiCd and some NiMH18:02
KotCzarnyl29ah, liions have aging effect on their own18:03
DerHatanyone know how many ampere n900 need for show nokia logo?18:03
L29Ahyep, but they preserve quite well if stay mid-charged18:03
L29Ahmy thinkpad battery from 2010 is ~75% of its original capacity18:04
L29Ahand i used it quite a lot18:04
KotCzarnyderhat, charge for one hour18:04
KotCzarnyat least18:04
DerHati charge 12h ^^18:04
KotCzarnydon't everdo18:04
L29AhDerHat: i guess <500mA18:04
KotCzarnyyour batteries are already beaten up18:05
KotCzarnyi must say, n-gage's keyboard rulez18:05
* L29Ah succeded to go over an amp only when used n900 for compiling18:05
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bencoh"The repositories will soon be available for read-only access, with original clone URLs preserved."18:11
bencohwhich means they're currently not available :(18:11
bencoh(some repositories havent been migrated yet)18:11
KotCzarnyahm, bencoh, i remember what i wanted to ask, you don't mind muarf being put on the wiki?18:11
KotCzarnyand question no2, would you host diablo repo too?18:12
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KotCzarnyKernel flashed, reboot to make it active.18:47
KotCzarnyfingers crossed18:48
KotCzarnyLinux Nokia-N800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #4 Fri Jul 17 17:39:03 CEST 2015 armv6l unknown18:50
KotCzarnyso far, so good18:50
KotCzarnylets see if usb whitelist worked18:50
L29Ahallah akbar18:50
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KotCzarnyl29ah: sploding much?18:51
L29Ahyeah, i have a liion battery belt18:52
KotCzarny[  233.289062] input: USB  AUDIO   as /class/input/input518:52
KotCzarny[  233.289062] usb 1-1: 500mA is over 200mA budget for port 1!18:52
KotCzarny[  233.289062] hub 1-0:1.0: 300mA over power budget!18:52
KotCzarnyhue hue18:52
KotCzarnyit works18:59
KotCzarnyi can confirm that usb audio works on n80019:01
KotCzarnyin alsa mode19:02
KotCzarnythough alsa installation is b0rken badly19:02
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KotCzarnyvectis: i got the usb audio working19:10
KotCzarnysort of19:11
VectisCool, just on my way home from work.19:11
KotCzarnyno worries, i'm hacking at castrated alsa on my n80019:12
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KotCzarnywhat is happening to the internet?19:21
KotCzarnyError 52019:21
KotCzarnyWeb server is returning an unknown error19:21
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KotCzarnyFor the uninitiated, pulse stands for19:28
KotCzarny"painfully useless linux sound engineers"19:28
KotCzarnyhue hue19:28
vectisarf arf, you still hacking away at it19:30
KotCzarnyyeah, reading lists about the errors19:30
KotCzarnyie. trying to make mixer to work19:30
KotCzarnymplayer works tho19:30
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vectisgreat, i've just got home so i'll get things setup in a while19:31
KotCzarnyno rush, i got me a cable too today, so i can debug here as well19:31
KotCzarnyand i got same error as you yesterday19:32
KotCzarnyworked around it with .asoundrc19:32
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Siceloi believe everything was migrated .. github?19:41
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endsoKotczarny: what type of usb audio cable..make..model..any weblink to what you got? I wanna shop around for one ...19:50
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KotCzarnyendso, it's just some cheapo one i got for ~1-2usd19:57
KotCzarnybut before you buy anything let me check if it's feasible config for n8x019:58
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KotCzarnyit looks like this one20:00
KotCzarnybut i wouldnt recommend it, it's so cheap that it even doesnt have hardware mixing or volume control20:00
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endsoKot: I'll check it out.....right...I'll find a ..less.."dollar store" model...20:01
KotCzarnystill, let me check if gtkgep can work with usb audio card without much hassle20:02
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endsoKot: Right...of course...I've been looking at audio cards since yesterday...hows something like this
endsoor even this...
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KotCzarnyi'm not an expert, and i only have 2 usb audio cards20:09
KotCzarnyread reviews from linux folks20:09
KotCzarnythose cards are cheap enough to be disposable tho20:10
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KotCzarnyhmm, it worked, for 0.5s20:24
endsoKot: ..researched...more expensive models usually need specific drivers...more generic tend to run out-of-the-box on anything....generally speaking of course..variants on the photo you posted ..with or without controls..others have mentioned work with linux systems well yeah...they are cheap enough to test out...20:24
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endsoKot: weird...worked and then stopped?...some process gotta be shutting it down...20:26
KotCzarnynah, it's my alsa 'experienced' coding20:27
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vectisendso: good place to look for linux compatible usb sound20:27
KotCzarnyremember that we have quite ancient kernel on n8x020:27
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KotCzarnyso unless it works with generic driver, better not rely on custom drivers20:28
vectisKotCzarny: so whats the magic required in the .asoundrc file?20:30
endso2nd post down...    this is from back in the day...they still make these too...should be compliant with needs..."looks" pretty much like what you referred to Kot..20:30
endsoVectis: love fruit20:31
vectisyer, great with 'pi'20:31
KotCzarnyand i run: mplayer -ao alsa:device=usb20:31
KotCzarnythis config is safe enough because it preserves default card as a n8x0 one20:32
KotCzarnyi think you can even paste only part after 'usb audio'20:32
endso ....fruity20:34
KotCzarnyits.. white20:35
KotCzarnyalso, so many technical details20:35
KotCzarnytotally anonymous20:36
KotCzarnyno usb id, no chipset, no specs20:36
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KotCzarnyis it connected to serial port or something?20:38
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KotCzarnypocket instrument amp, hint hint20:38
vectisKotCzarny: no go here.
KotCzarnyi wonder if i did anything else to the configs20:42
KotCzarnyi think i got that error once, then somehow everything started working20:44
endsohm...same thing here... well this looks as generic as it gets...
KotCzarnyInternet Tablet OS version: RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2010.33-1_PR_MR020:45
KotCzarnymine is:20:45
KotCzarnyInternet Tablet OS version: RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR020:45
KotCzarnywhat is your uname -a ?20:45
KotCzarnyendso: still, completely anonymous20:46
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endsolinux nokia-n800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #3 PREEMPT Wed Sep 28 21:48:59 CEST 2011 armv61 unknown     ....I'm running diablo turbo test kernel20:50
vectisLinux Nokia-N810-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 PREEMPT Sun Mar 13 23:29:39 CET 2011 armv6l unknown20:50
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endsofor what it's worth :D20:51
KotCzarnyvectis, i think all the logs and asound files are the same or similar20:51
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KotCzarnyalsa-lib: pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM usb120:54
KotCzarnywhere did you create your .asoundrc?20:54
KotCzarnyand which user is running mplayer?20:54
vectis~/ as user20:55
KotCzarnyls -l /home/user/.asoundrc20:56
vectisoops, typo.......  -rw-r--r--    1 user     users         467 Jul 17 18:32 /home/user/.asoundrc21:02
vectisI get............ noise
KotCzarnyso it works now?21:03
vectistablet crashed. not playing music, just noise21:04
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KotCzarnyhe he21:04
KotCzarnyalso, typo in the cmd line21:04
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KotCzarnybut at least something started to happen21:05
vectismy typo, to many ........... lol21:06
KotCzarnyPlaying /media/mmc1/borderlands/Borderlands 2 - Doomsday Trailer.mp3.21:06
KotCzarnyrock on!21:06
KotCzarnyweird thing is my amplifier show much higher power usage, could be some low freqs on the run21:07
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KotCzarnyseriously, something weird is happening21:08
KotCzarnyit goes up to 0.5W on the power meter, while normally at this amplification level it's lower than 0.004W21:10
vectishmm, 2nd attempt and the same.. noise then crash21:13
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KotCzarny_darn consumer dsl21:17
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KotCzarnydid i miss anything?21:17
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KotCzarnyhrm, now i get device busy in gtkgep even after device closed properly21:32
vectisKotCzarny: I've just tried another usb sound device and I get the same results.21:33
KotCzarnyvectis, same being 'no device' or reboot?21:33
vectisaudio noise then reboot21:33
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KotCzarnyi wonder if i get reboots on capture because it tries to use too much power21:47
KotCzarnybah, no. arecord worked fine21:48
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infobotmethinks pa is PAY ATTENTION!!!!!, or ~pulseaudio21:57
infobothmm... pulseaudio is aka PolypAudio, or <KotCzarny> For the uninitiated, pulse stands for "painfully useless linux sound engineers"21:57
KotCzarnyhar har21:57
KotCzarnypulseaudio should die in a fire21:58
KotCzarnyalso, my alsa coding skill suck21:58
DocScrutinizer05My N900 simply lost network :-(((21:59
KotCzarnydoc, would you like helping a bit? it's a simple alsa record&play, and can be done on pc21:59
KotCzarnydoc: reboot? search manually?21:59
DocScrutinizer05no "No SIM!", not problems to get IMEI, simply "No Network"22:00
KotCzarnycould be ether noise22:00
DocScrutinizer05rebooted, removed battery22:00
DocScrutinizer05cleaned SIM contacts22:00
KotCzarnyput the card into other phone?22:00
KotCzarnymaybe you're out of the range?22:00
KotCzarnysomeone banned your imei?22:00
KotCzarnycheck different sim?22:00
KotCzarnydifferent gsm network?22:01
DocScrutinizer05it worked this noon, and the afternoon I noticed it had no interet data despite showing bogux 8 bars signal in a souterrain22:01
DocScrutinizer05I switched from dual to 3G and it had no signal, I switched back to dual: no signal22:02
KotCzarnyyeah, happened few times to me too, but usually going into offline mode then back fixed it22:02
DocScrutinizer05did that: no signal22:03
KotCzarnyget out of the house?22:03
KotCzarnyalso, if you search for networks manually does it show anyother networks?22:03
DocScrutinizer05I was in a shopping mall when I noticed, usually no signal there. Now I'm home and zilch changed22:03
DocScrutinizer05searching for networks isn't feasible, clicking on "telephone" in settings gives me a "No Signal" yellow bar22:04
DocScrutinizer05weird shit22:05
KotCzarnycould be dead gsm chip :/22:05
DocScrutinizer05yeah, strange version of dead GSM22:07
DocScrutinizer05RF forntend chip borked22:07
KotCzarnyhad some thunderstorms lately?22:07
DocScrutinizer05but then, why can't I get into settings->telephone22:07
DocScrutinizer05it worked a 6h ago22:08
DocScrutinizer055 actually22:08
KotCzarnyit could be delayed failure22:08
KotCzarnyie. fried partially, then died22:08
DocScrutinizer05I recharged my prepaid a 8h ago, and switched "internet access"-"connect automatically" from WLAN back to "ANY connection"22:09
KotCzarnymaybe it just died from overuse22:09
* DocScrutinizer05 removes battery and SIM22:10
* DocScrutinizer05 ponders reflashing --cmt-only22:11
KotCzarnywhat would reflash do?22:11
DocScrutinizer05no idea? show it works, show it fails, make it resume normal operation... or not22:12
DocScrutinizer05aaah pnatd22:13
* DocScrutinizer05 will try pnatd next22:13
DocScrutinizer05ok, removed SIM, shows "No SIM" icon22:15
DocScrutinizer05settings->Phone  "Cellular network not available" is obviously normal22:16
DocScrutinizer05compared to another device without SIM22:16
DocScrutinizer05only mine shown it while there was a SIM inserted, and no "No SIM!" icon22:17
* DocScrutinizer05 inserts SIM into another phone22:17
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DocScrutinizer05rotfl, I prolly at least after reboot hit "skip" instead of "ok" after entering PIN22:22
KotCzarnynot sleeping enoug?>22:22
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DocScrutinizer05bear with me, 37°C outside, normally I wouldn't have left my nice cool flat22:24
KotCzarnymove to poland22:24
KotCzarnyyou would miss the heat22:25
KotCzarnyit's the middle of the summer, yet, it's in 18-25C range22:25
DocScrutinizer05still this doesn't explain the initial fsckup22:26
KotCzarnyfirst time 'no network' on n900?22:26
DocScrutinizer05I know that shopping mall, I usually barely have any signal where this time it claimed 100% but no network22:26
* DocScrutinizer05 HATES that slotmachine date selector in welcome screen22:28
KotCzarnyhe he22:28
KotCzarnyignore it and just hit ntpupdate icon?22:28
DocScrutinizer05honesty which idiot thought a simple calendar view was not leete enough?22:28
DocScrutinizer053G  \/22:29
DocScrutinizer05\o/ :-)))22:29
KotCzarnythe same as those who designed calendar app?22:29
DocScrutinizer05*really* *funny* how the N900 act up when you _skip_ the PIN22:35
keriosmartphones should really decide whether they're phones or computers with phones22:36
KotCzarnyn900 is a computer with phone module22:39
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PaliDocScrutinizer05: welcome screen --> some C++ developer...23:07
DocScrutinizer05Pali: yep23:07
DocScrutinizer05this damn thing is prolly the most eyecandy overkill least functional app on whole maemo, ever23:08
KotCzarnyapart from marketing videos included on emmc ?23:09
PaliPackage: hildon-welcome, Version: 0.23-2+0m5, Description: Splashscreen This package contains the program which shows the welcome animation., Maintainer: Gabriel Schulhof <>23:09
L29Ahi wonder if it can be purged safely23:09
Palinow you can blame nokias people...23:09
DocScrutinizer05om harmatten they did it the other way around: everything Nokia had eyecandy but was quite useful, and they removed the eyecandy for crappy versions of the maemo "eyecandy" gadgets, for the SDK23:10
Palihm... source code available??
DocScrutinizer05L29Ah: it can get purged with no negative effects23:11
Paliah... no :-( wrong package... welcome animation is that Nokia hands23:12
Paliand package contains simple video player23:12
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I guess that's the shakehands stuff23:13
DocScrutinizer05I meant the "set language, zone, time, date" stuff23:13
DocScrutinizer05I never can tell apart the names of those two23:14
kerioDocScrutinizer05: why don't you just uninstall it?23:14
DocScrutinizer05good question23:14
DocScrutinizer05prolly because I never get the name right23:15
KotCzarnymaybe because most normal people see it once per few years mostly23:15
DocScrutinizer05that too :-)23:15
DocScrutinizer05I should fix bupbat23:16
DocScrutinizer05then I never would see it again23:16
* Sicelo sees it a lot now :(23:17
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, nuking dat crap would be best approach, if only I knew the name of the binary23:17
Siceloexchanging batteries daily, and bupbat died loong ago23:18
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: tried fastswap?23:18
PaliPackage: osso-startup-wizard, Version: 2.3.99-85+0m5, Depends: .. libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) ..., Description: Startup Wizard The startup wizard is the first GUI the user sees, Maintainer: Karoliina Salminen <>23:18
Palithis one ^^^23:18
DocScrutinizer05osso-startup-wizard !!!23:18
KotCzarnyreplace it with something nice23:18
DocScrutinizer05Pali: thanks a megaton23:18
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: /bin/true :-)23:19
KotCzarnyor just with delayed ntpdate call23:19
PaliIf removed: *Not critical package *If date/time is lost, they are not asked during bootup, but set to Jan 1st 2000.23:19
DocScrutinizer05is that a comment somewhere?23:20
Sicelofastswap ... yes, when i had working USB .. cool stuff ;)23:20
DocScrutinizer05on that webpage23:20
Paliyes, on above page ^^^^^23:20
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DocScrutinizer05I guess deleting /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard suffices?23:22
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DocScrutinizer05moved it to ~root/23:24
DocScrutinizer05let's see if I bricked device23:25
KotCzarnyhe he23:25
L29AhPackage hildon-welcome is not installed, so not removed23:25
L29Ahi wonder how did that happen23:25
KotCzarnyyou were scrubbing it before23:25
KotCzarnymost likely23:25
L29AhPali: :*23:25
DocScrutinizer05YEEHAAA no osso-fuckup-wizard anymore23:27
KotCzarnylittle things..23:27
DocScrutinizer05let's see how long it takes till time/date is set automatically from network23:28
KotCzarnynot long23:28
KotCzarnygetting on the network takes much longer23:28
DocScrutinizer05seems it doesn't adjust time, so far23:29
Siceloby network you mean an IP network, you cellular operator?23:29
infobotSicelo meant: by network or mean an IP network, you cellular operator?23:30
KotCzarnytypo day23:30
KotCzarnyluckily it's almost over23:30
DocScrutinizer05dafaq, I had "automatic update" disabled in date&time23:30
Sicelointerestingly auto-update doesn't work on my 2nd N900 ... this N900 has a few quirks23:31
DocScrutinizer05time ok, after fixing "auto-update2 for time&date23:32
Sicelobut it seems to also fsck up tracker (for those of us who still have it)23:33
DocScrutinizer05now just one more hickup of the day: this damn very IRC client eats 100% of one of my CPU cores23:33
KotCzarnyuse ssh+irssi ?23:34
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