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| Vajb | heh, all that audio talk here made me think, is there frequency response measurement software for n900? | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | most likely yes | 02:01 |
| Vajb | tho i guess n900 mic quality wouldn't be enough | 02:01 |
| Vajb | also i just noticed that yappari has disconnected and wont connect again | 02:03 |
| Vajb | just checking to see if there is an update, but ham is taking her time....as usually | 02:03 |
| Vajb | btw KotCzarny, most likely yes for ap or insufficient mic quality? | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | for fft display/finder | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/tuner/ | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | wrong way, scratch that | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:10 |
| Vajb | cool, update fixed yappari | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1343610 | 02:14 |
| bencoh | I wouldnt worry too much about it not being "good enoug" (well, it's probably terrible anyway :p) ... people do fft/audio measurements with an iphone/ipad these days | 02:17 |
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| KotCzarny | you can always connect external mic of better quality | 02:18 |
| bencoh | or do a clean calibration (white noise / pink noise) to get the response curve of the mic | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | that's assuming it's linear over volume/freq | 02:19 |
| bencoh | err not pink | 02:20 |
| bencoh | yeah ... you can also try it at different levels :) | 02:20 |
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| KotCzarny | http://gaydenko.com/qloud/ | 02:20 |
| bencoh | "The sourceforge.net website is temporarily in static offline mode" wtf | 02:21 |
| bencoh | (for awt) | 02:21 |
| bencoh | qwt* | 02:21 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, sf has it's ups and downs | 02:21 |
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| KotCzarny | anyone with qt experience to compile/port qloud ? | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.roomeqwizard.com/ | 02:27 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.minidsp.com/products/acoustic-measurement/umik-1 | 02:30 |
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| KotCzarny | http://realtraps.com/art_measuring.htm | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for frequency response you easily can calibrate the most crappy microphone you could find, as long as it does cover the relevant frequency range at all | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh bencoh beat me to it | 02:52 |
| vectis | does alsa oss emulation work for n8x0? need it for this to work: http://stian.cubic.org/project-ocp.php | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | vectis: if you talk about internal audio card of n8x0, nope | 02:54 |
| vectis | :( | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | you've checked and seen only /dev/dsp1 | 02:55 |
| vectis | yer sorry, it's late | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | and if you need player for weird formats, have you checked oscp? | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | it uses uade2 and xmp libs | 02:56 |
| vectis | it was the graphic eq that caught my eye | 02:56 |
| erlehmann | hey | 02:56 |
| erlehmann | did someone of you fix a n900 with a broken screen and found data from the previous owner on it? | 02:57 |
| erlehmann | if so, thanks! | 02:57 |
| erlehmann | bencoh slashdot is also in static offline mode | 02:57 |
| erlehmann | seems this thing is huge! | 02:57 |
| KotCzarny | vectis: you mean visualization or audio processor? | 02:58 |
| vectis | visualization | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | i shall merge oscp and osc one day | 02:59 |
| erlehmann | WHOM OF YOU IS GOING TO BE ON THE CCC CAMP? | 02:59 |
| erlehmann | :d | 03:00 |
| erlehmann | :D | 03:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (static offline mode) seems today is update day | 03:03 |
| erlehmann | i replaced the sources.list stuff | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Session:Neo900_-_the_smartphone_against_backdoors | 03:04 |
| erlehmann | stuff works again | 03:04 |
| erlehmann | my GF might like this | 03:04 |
| erlehmann | she was frustrated because nokia sources.list entries do not work | 03:04 |
| erlehmann | and she could not install libncursesw5 or something | 03:05 |
| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 feel free to come to the hobelschlunzen village | 03:06 |
| erlehmann | we will have sandwiches | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 03:06 |
| erlehmann | here https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Hobelschlunzen | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like your CoC | 03:07 |
| erlehmann | yeah, incidentally i asked the biggest bully i would find in our village to formulate it | 03:07 |
| erlehmann | and she knew exactly what people hated about her behaviour | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's great | 03:07 |
| erlehmann | and apparently intends to behave | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | beehave | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, nite nite | 03:08 |
| erlehmann | the cheap meat thing must go i think | 03:08 |
| erlehmann | rest is fine | 03:08 |
| erlehmann | maybe at the camp someone can help with updating a n900 to recent firmware? | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 03:10 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch out, it does a complete fresh install, not a simple update | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | update would be sth like | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 03:11 |
| infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on top of such fresh install | 03:11 |
| erlehmann | > flash-it-all.sh | 03:12 |
| erlehmann | hahaha | 03:12 |
| erlehmann | good idea! | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it sucked to reflash a dozen devices | 03:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with this lil fancy, it works like "err what did ya say? sorry, I just flashed a N900" | 03:14 |
| erlehmann | haha | 03:14 |
| erlehmann | incidentally did you know about my implementation of DJB redo http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/redo-sh.html | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hardly ever have to deal with make | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, alas no | 03:16 |
| erlehmann | DJB has this really neat design | 03:16 |
| erlehmann | and i asked him twice and he claimed to have implemented it | 03:16 |
| erlehmann | but not released | 03:16 |
| erlehmann | so i wrote it myself in like 300 lines of shell script | 03:16 |
| erlehmann | and it is beautiful | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the shorter the prettier | 03:17 |
| erlehmann | also, see this video of me and a friend trying to imitate alpakas http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/video/20150712_010.webm | 03:17 |
| erlehmann | yeah, deleted code is debugged code | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the only app I ever contributed to maemo by myself has zilch real code at all ;-) | 03:19 |
| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 one problem with make is that a file depends on its own build rules – if they change, it should be rebuilt. but if you have a single makefile, that would mean that everything needs to be rebuilt as soon as that file changes. | 03:19 |
| erlehmann | redo solves this by having the rules for a target „foo“ in a dofile called „foo.do“ | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yep | 03:20 |
| erlehmann | which is just a shell script that writes the build result to stdout or $3 | 03:20 |
| erlehmann | foo.do builds foo. if no foo.do exists, default.do is used. | 03:21 |
| erlehmann | same for other stuff, so you can type „redo test.png“ and it looks first for test.png.do and then for default.png.do | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice concept | 03:21 |
| erlehmann | yeah, i did not invent it. only implement it! | 03:22 |
| erlehmann | but it is very different from make because the dependencies are created from the build | 03:22 |
| erlehmann | not the other way round | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry afk | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually good night :-) | 03:24 |
| erlehmann | the magic is in one thing, the command „redo-ifchange” – called from a dofile “redo-ifchange dependency.bin” means “build dependency.bin – and then, if that built changed, rebuilt the current target” | 03:24 |
| erlehmann | good night! | 03:24 |
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| Vajb | KotCzarny: yeah. I got REW for pc | 09:03 |
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| * Maxdamantus wonders if the cellular connectivity on his ThinkPad is likely to be better than typical phones. | 11:52 | |
| KotCzarny | depends | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | but usually you can put better antenna | 11:52 |
| * Maxdamantus sometimes goes somewhere that doesn't have proper coverage. | 11:53 | |
| KotCzarny | grab some external one, maybe | 11:53 |
| Maxdamantus | but can usually send/receive SMS while walking along the beach. | 11:53 |
| Maxdamantus | (on a phone) | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | or just usb gsm stick with usb extension cord | 11:54 |
| * L29Ah uses an android phone to feed his thinkpad with 3g internet | 11:54 | |
| KotCzarny | http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/06/29/1533204/mit-system-fixes-software-bugs-without-access-to-source-code | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | something for maemo ;) | 11:56 |
| L29Ah | wtf am i reading | 11:57 |
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| KotCzarny | remember that joke? http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/06/26/0021241/students-win-prize-for-color-changing-condoms-that-detect-stds | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | now it can be a reality :> | 12:11 |
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| ceene | uhm | 13:17 |
| ceene | i think i'll have a complete mirror of downloads.maemo.nokia.com made public soon | 13:18 |
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| ceene | although | 13:20 |
| ceene | now I have something wrong with maemo.org repos | 13:20 |
| ceene | :/ | 13:20 |
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| ceene | ~sources.list | 13:24 |
| infobot | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list | 13:24 |
| ceene | i don't like that | 13:25 |
| ceene | ~apt | 13:25 |
| infobot | rumour has it, apt is a stuild bot, said by Cotulla | 13:25 |
| ceene | ~maemo.org | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, which platform? n8x0 or n900? | 13:29 |
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| ceene | n900 | 13:30 |
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| ceene | uh, i think i got it right now, there's simply no such thing as only http://repository.maemo.org | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ . | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | those are mine | 13:30 |
| ceene | it's http://repository.maemo.org/extras | 13:30 |
| ceene | yep | 13:31 |
| ceene | that's what i broke | 13:31 |
| ceene | thank you! | 13:31 |
| ceene | i'm preparing a mirror like that mirrors.muarf.org | 13:31 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe maemo.org admins can prepare roundrobin dns | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | so it could use all those public nokia copies | 13:32 |
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| ceene | http://repository.sygic.com went down too :( | 13:35 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, ping | 13:42 |
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| KotCzarny | ~repos | 14:03 |
| infobot | it has been said that repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 14:04 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: okay | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | ~repos | 14:04 |
| infobot | hmm... repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: no, repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 14:04 |
| infobot | i already had it that way, KotCzarny | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: ~repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 14:04 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: okay | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | ~repos | 14:04 |
| infobot | methinks repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | how do i use that thing? | 14:04 |
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| ceene | infobot: obey KotCzarny | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | it ignored you too | 14:07 |
| ceene | :( | 14:08 |
| ceene | infobot: KotCzarny is a friend | 14:08 |
| infobot | ceene: okay | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 14:08 |
| ceene | ~KotCzarny | 14:08 |
| infobot | well, kotczarny is a friend | 14:08 |
| ceene | infobot: KotCzarny is a good friend | 14:08 |
| infobot | ...but kotczarny is already something else... | 14:08 |
| ceene | uhm | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | ~ceene | 14:08 |
| ceene | infobot: KotCzarny is a good friend | 14:08 |
| infobot | ...but kotczarny is already something else... | 14:08 |
| ceene | infobot: really, KotCzarny is a good friend | 14:08 |
| infobot | ceene: what are you talking about? | 14:08 |
| ceene | infobot: modify KotCzarny is a good friend | 14:09 |
| infobot | ceene: okay | 14:09 |
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| ceene | ~KotCzarny | 14:09 |
| infobot | hmm... kotczarny is a friend | 14:09 |
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| ceene | infobot: you're not very intelligent, are you? | 14:09 |
| infobot | no *you're* not very intelligent, are you | 14:09 |
| ceene | lol | 14:09 |
| ceene | ~modify | 14:09 |
| ceene | ~modify KotCzarny | 14:09 |
| infobot | from memory, modify kotczarny is a good friend | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | ~infobot | 14:09 |
| infobot | it has been said that infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command! | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | ~help | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | repos is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | ~repos | 14:10 |
| infobot | hmm... repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 14:10 |
| ceene | ~delete repos | 14:11 |
| * infobot glares at repos and then takes every step necessary to completely delete repos and destroy any and all evidence that repos ever existed | 14:11 | |
| KotCzarny | ~factinfo repos | 14:11 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 14:11 |
| infobot | repos -- created by KotCzarny <~ariel@bgg35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> 7m 11s ago. | 14:11 |
| ceene | ~repos | 14:11 |
| infobot | well, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 14:11 |
| ceene | this thing must have something hardcoded | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | looks like | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | also, you need +o for some actions | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | maemo-repos is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 14:13 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: okay | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 14:13 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | good enough. | 14:13 |
| ceene | lol | 14:20 |
| ceene | ~repos | 14:21 |
| infobot | [repos] deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 14:21 |
| ceene | ~forget repos | 14:21 |
| infobot | ceene: i forgot repos | 14:21 |
| ceene | ~repos | 14:21 |
| ceene | ~repos | 14:21 |
| infobot | hmm... repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 14:21 |
| ceene | bah | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos | 14:54 |
| infobot | rumour has it, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues muarf | 14:57 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'muarf' by value (1): #maemo repos. | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal repos | 15:00 |
| infobot | "#maemo repos" is "deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./" | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~no, #maemo repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 15:00 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i already had it that way | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 15:00 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal _default repos | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys repos | 15:03 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'repos' by key (13): ~repos ;; repository.maemo.org deb ;; repositories ;; repositary ;; repos #DEL# ;; pureftpd repository ;; repository lists ;; maemo-repos ;; repository #DEL# ;; #maemo repos ;; qtopia repository ;; elive-repository ;; debian repos howto. | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | i think it needs rewiring | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | or electro shock | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal repository.maemo.org deb | 15:03 |
| infobot | "repository.maemo.org deb" is "unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb" | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget repository.maemo.org deb | 15:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot repository.maemo.org deb | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~unforget repository.maemo.org deb | 15:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'repository.maemo.org deb'. Have fun now. | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal repositary | 15:05 |
| infobot | "repositary" is "no longer up to date.. I haven't yet set up mirroring.." | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget repositary | 15:05 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot repositary | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal maemo-repository | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal maemo-repos | 15:06 |
| infobot | "maemo-repos" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories" | 15:06 |
| L29Ah | infobot: foo is bar | 15:06 |
| * infobot foo! || <action> bar is bar || <reply> foo is bar bar || foo | 15:06 | |
| KotCzarny | bar bar? | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget modify KotCzarny | 15:09 |
| infobot | i forgot modify kotczarny, DocScrutinizer05 | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget KotCzarny | 15:10 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot kotczarny | 15:10 |
| L29Ah | ~forget DocScrutinizer05 | 15:10 |
| infobot | L29Ah: cannot alter locked factoids | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | ~DocScrutinizer05 | 15:10 |
| infobot | it has been said that docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo foo is bar | 15:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as foo is bar | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo foo is | 15:12 |
| infobot | there's no such factoid as foo is, DocScrutinizer05 | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | ~factinfo foo | 15:13 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 15:13 |
| infobot | foo -- last modified at Tue Dec 12 21:09:39 2006 by do3mca_!i=many@krikkit.ukeer.de; it has been requested 54 times, last by Ashley` at Tue Dec 31 09:16:40 2013. | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal foo | 15:13 |
| infobot | "foo" is "bar" | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal foo is | 15:13 |
| * infobot foo! || <action> bar is || <reply> foo is bar || foo | 15:13 | |
| KotCzarny | hardwired | 15:13 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: pong ? | 15:59 |
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| DerHat | is it a good idea to connect a simple dc-dc converter (3.6 or 3.7V and max about 70 ampere) as n900 battery with only + and - pin? | 16:28 |
| DerHat | just for flash the device! | 16:28 |
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| DerHat | a couple years ago i done this technique in motorola because i got no charge cable :D but i done with battery and 5V. working well that time | 16:29 |
| DerHat | not sure about n900. somebody told me bl-5j battery wants a pulsed charge source | 16:30 |
| stryngs | DerHat: I've tried that before | 16:31 |
| stryngs | It wasn't an adjustable source, but it met the "requirements" so to speak | 16:32 |
| stryngs | It turned on, but never booted properly. | 16:32 |
| stryngs | Didn't hurt it though. | 16:32 |
| stryngs | It was when I was without a battery | 16:32 |
| DerHat | did u tryed with battery? | 16:32 |
| L29Ah | DerHat: you can connect it in parallel with the battery | 16:33 |
| L29Ah | and make sure its output voltage is no more than Vbat + 200mV | 16:33 |
| DerHat | L29Ah: THX! THATS I WANT SINCE MY USB PORT IS BROKEN | 16:33 |
| DerHat | :/ i measured Vbat == 2.8V | 16:34 |
| DerHat | yesterday i read 3.4 | 16:34 |
| L29Ah | then gradually go up | 16:34 |
| L29Ah | as it charges | 16:34 |
| DerHat | ok | 16:34 |
| L29Ah | just make sure you don't push over an ampere of current | 16:35 |
| DerHat | well, + to batteries + and same -? | 16:35 |
| L29Ah | yep | 16:35 |
| DerHat | no problem, i got variable resistors:P | 16:35 |
| KotCzarny | i think someone said you need to connect resistance to middle pin if you want to fake 'battery' | 16:38 |
| DerHat | interesting. | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DerHat: (dc-dc converter) not really. You need at least 4V, proper absolutely secure regulation, low ESR (thick cables) connection, and a resistor from BSI contact to GND | 16:39 |
| DerHat | rasp pi could perfectly be a n900 loader, it has got a 3.7V gpio and never go about 1 amp | 16:39 |
| DerHat | DocScrutinizer my dc-dc is variable from 1.5 to 40V | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a problem when it istn't rock solid stable | 16:40 |
| L29Ah | nah i charged liion batteries with a crappy chinese lab psu and it went well | 16:41 |
| DerHat | could a large capacitor help? | 16:41 |
| L29Ah | no unless it's larger than your n900 | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it needs to guarantee the the voltage never exceeds 4.200 Volt (ok device might survive a 6V even) | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a large capacitor next to the battery contact for sure helps - large here is in the range of several 1000uF | 16:42 |
| L29Ah | he doesn't need to get even close to 4.2 | 16:42 |
| KotCzarny | umkay, got the otg cable for n800, time for some tests | 16:42 |
| DerHat | DocScrutinizer i can guarantee 4.1V and 0.01V accuracy. is that enougth? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, perfect | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need a 75kR (iirc) from BSI to GND | 16:43 |
| DerHat | kR? | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | kilo ohm | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kilo Ohms | 16:43 |
| DerHat | ok, bsi? | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Battery size Indicator | 16:43 |
| L29Ah | you don't need it if you're leaving your battery in | 16:43 |
| DerHat | okay, understood all now:) | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | humm | 16:44 |
| DerHat | thx very much ^^ | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the shorter 3rd contact on N900 | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | first try, failed to connect | 16:44 |
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| KotCzarny | second try, same | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | anyone knows if i need some special magic for n800 host mode usb? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need usb hostmode | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | app | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | for example, if i need power adaptor connected | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | several apps have a toggle for enabling hostmode | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N800-43-7:/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc]# cat mode | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | b_idle | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: I don't know what it takes to enable hostmode on N800, simply use one of the apps available | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | it should work automagically with os2008 kernel | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N8x0 doesn't detect USB ID pin GND to switch to host mode automatically, afaik | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | trying forcing | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | [91630.039062] hub 1-0:1.0: 192mA power budget left | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | fricking autosuspend | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | also, n800 rebooted | 16:50 |
| KotCzarny | [91630.039062] usb 1-1: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power | 16:51 |
| KotCzarny | humm | 16:51 |
| KotCzarny | time for some kernel hacking | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hihi, check H-E-N | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we kicked that stuff out with the huge boot | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's OTG stuff not really helpful for generic hostmode | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | h-e-n? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~hen | 16:52 |
| infobot | from memory, hen is hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a blacklist and a whitelist, plus that generic power budget stuff, in OTG kernel modules | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | but it's n800 | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? the kernel's OTG stuff prolly doesn't differ | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | k, just thought there is some kernel patching needed | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly, and we did that for N900 H-E-N | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see garage H-E-N hostmode kernel | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | k, do you have some n800 specific hints/patches then? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry nope | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just know we seen same problem on N900. And I seem to recall I used e.g. kbd on N810 without any problems, just needs switching to hostmode with some settings app, tehre are at least 2 or 3 | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk, cheers | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | i';ve switched to host mode ok, it's just that usb config rejected the device as it 'needs' 500mA in config | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | yet it draws ~30mA in reality | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and that's exactly what I instructed mohammadAG to comment out one line of code in kernel (or change a '1' to '0' or sth) to skip that stuff | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, going to do the same, just hope i wont need to reflash | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check the H-E-N hostmode kernel patches, you'll find it there | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | will do | 17:00 |
| DerHat | DocScrutinizer one more question, should i start with 4.1V or lower? | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | if i find them | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4V1 is fine | 17:00 |
| DerHat | ok | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you connect battery in parallel, sth I strongly discourage you to do | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | idea, group project to make dummy 'batteries' to run exclusively on external power (n8x0 and n900) | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | piece of plastic + regulator from ~5V to 3.7V + 75kR resistor | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | + usb port and/or charger (barrel) port | 17:05 |
| DerHat | DocScrutinizer i connected and forgot resistance, it was like a short circuit :S | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | wrong pins? did you fry it? | 17:05 |
| DerHat | fry? no pins was correct, + on + and - on - | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | http://fressgsm.blogspot.com/2014/09/n900-charging-ways-solution-100-tested.html | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 17:06 |
| DerHat | no fry, dc-dc converter just shows 1V when i short it | 17:06 |
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| KotCzarny | wow, n800 has usb2 hostcontroller | 17:22 |
| DerHat | n800 is the old n900? | 17:26 |
| DerHat | or a newer versionß | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | it's a different animal | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | but yes, it's the predecessor | 17:27 |
| DerHat | can you say something about nokia lumia 920? | 17:27 |
| DerHat | or suggest a other new phone for me?:D | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | never touched any lumia | 17:27 |
| DerHat | maybe cubot ^^ | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | as for the suggestions, what do you need the 'phone' for | 17:28 |
| DerHat | under water + metal case | 17:28 |
| DerHat | for phoning | 17:28 |
| DerHat | programming | 17:28 |
| DerHat | listen music | 17:28 |
| DerHat | watch some p0rn | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | define programming | 17:28 |
| DerHat | tools e.g. send commands to network | 17:29 |
| DerHat | gles games | 17:29 |
| DerHat | e.g. is a short for "for example" am i right? ^^ | 17:31 |
| KotCzarny | https://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/e.g.html | 17:31 |
| DerHat | thx:D | 17:32 |
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| DerHat | charging with 180mA 4.1V | 17:55 |
| DerHat | ampere is getting lower, 160 now | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | wow, battery in my n-gage still holds charge | 17:58 |
| KotCzarny | even after 10 years | 17:58 |
| auenfx4 | for 5 minutes though? | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | nope, booted fully | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | and still shows 3 bars | 17:59 |
| DerHat | nice | 17:59 |
| DerHat | sounds like nokia quality:P | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, bluestar battery :P | 17:59 |
| DerHat | or sony | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | ok, i lied, battery was produced in 2010 | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | but still, it was laying on the shelf for a few years | 18:00 |
| DerHat | 5 years | 18:00 |
| DerHat | 20 cat-years^^ | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | last recorded sms on it is from 2010-11 | 18:01 |
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| KotCzarny | so still, battery holding ~40% charge without self-discharging? | 18:01 |
| L29Ah | if it was full, it's okay | 18:01 |
| DerHat | memory effect? | 18:01 |
| L29Ah | fuck you and your memory effect on liions | 18:02 |
| DerHat | no memory effect on liions? | 18:02 |
| L29Ah | yep | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it brings memories | 18:02 |
| L29Ah | memory effect is a feature of NiCd and some NiMH | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah, liions have aging effect on their own | 18:03 |
| DerHat | anyone know how many ampere n900 need for show nokia logo? | 18:03 |
| L29Ah | yep, but they preserve quite well if stay mid-charged | 18:03 |
| L29Ah | my thinkpad battery from 2010 is ~75% of its original capacity | 18:04 |
| L29Ah | and i used it quite a lot | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | derhat, charge for one hour | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | at least | 18:04 |
| DerHat | i charge 12h ^^ | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | don't everdo | 18:04 |
| L29Ah | DerHat: i guess <500mA | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | your batteries are already beaten up | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | i must say, n-gage's keyboard rulez | 18:05 |
| * L29Ah succeded to go over an amp only when used n900 for compiling | 18:05 | |
| DerHat | :D | 18:05 |
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| bencoh | hmmm https://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/ | 18:10 |
| bencoh | "The repositories will soon be available for read-only access, with original clone URLs preserved." | 18:11 |
| bencoh | which means they're currently not available :( | 18:11 |
| bencoh | (some repositories havent been migrated yet) | 18:11 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, bencoh, i remember what i wanted to ask, you don't mind muarf being put on the wiki? | 18:11 |
| KotCzarny | and question no2, would you host diablo repo too? | 18:12 |
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| KotCzarny | Kernel flashed, reboot to make it active. | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | fingers crossed | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | Linux Nokia-N800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #4 Fri Jul 17 17:39:03 CEST 2015 armv6l unknown | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | so far, so good | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | lets see if usb whitelist worked | 18:50 |
| L29Ah | allah akbar | 18:50 |
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| KotCzarny | l29ah: sploding much? | 18:51 |
| L29Ah | yeah, i have a liion battery belt | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | [ 233.289062] input: USB AUDIO as /class/input/input5 | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | [ 233.289062] usb 1-1: 500mA is over 200mA budget for port 1! | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | [ 233.289062] hub 1-0:1.0: 300mA over power budget! | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | hue hue | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | WOW | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | it works | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | muahahaha | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | i can confirm that usb audio works on n800 | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | in alsa mode | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | though alsa installation is b0rken badly | 19:02 |
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| KotCzarny | vectis: i got the usb audio working | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | sort of | 19:11 |
| Vectis | Cool, just on my way home from work. | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | no worries, i'm hacking at castrated alsa on my n800 | 19:12 |
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| KotCzarny | what is happening to the internet? | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | Error 520 | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | Web server is returning an unknown error | 19:21 |
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| KotCzarny | For the uninitiated, pulse stands for | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | "painfully useless linux sound engineers" | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | hue hue | 19:28 |
| vectis | arf arf, you still hacking away at it | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, reading lists about the errors | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | ie. trying to make mixer to work | 19:30 |
| vectis | hmm | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer works tho | 19:30 |
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| vectis | great, i've just got home so i'll get things setup in a while | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | no rush, i got me a cable too today, so i can debug here as well | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | and i got same error as you yesterday | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | worked around it with .asoundrc | 19:32 |
| vectis | oakies | 19:32 |
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| Sicelo | i believe everything was migrated .. github? | 19:41 |
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| endso | Kotczarny: what type of usb audio cable..make..model..any weblink to what you got? I wanna shop around for one ... | 19:50 |
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| KotCzarny | endso, it's just some cheapo one i got for ~1-2usd | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | but before you buy anything let me check if it's feasible config for n8x0 | 19:58 |
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| KotCzarny | http://smartechworld.com/product_images/s/147/486266_100122001403_USB_Sound_Card__84276_zoom.jpg | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | it looks like this one | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | but i wouldnt recommend it, it's so cheap that it even doesnt have hardware mixing or volume control | 20:00 |
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| endso | Kot: I'll check it out.....right...I'll find a ..less.."dollar store" model... | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | still, let me check if gtkgep can work with usb audio card without much hassle | 20:02 |
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| endso | Kot: Right...of course...I've been looking at audio cards since yesterday...hows something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-to-Virtual-7-1-Channel-3D-External-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-/231337603977?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item35dccbb389 | 20:07 |
| endso | or even this...http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-USB2-0-3D-Virtual-12Mbps-External-7-1-Channel-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-F-PC-/151742755108?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item235492b124 | 20:08 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm not an expert, and i only have 2 usb audio cards | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | read reviews from linux folks | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | those cards are cheap enough to be disposable tho | 20:10 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, it worked, for 0.5s | 20:24 |
| endso | Kot: ..researched...more expensive models usually need specific drivers...more generic tend to run out-of-the-box on anything....generally speaking of course..variants on the photo you posted ..with or without controls..others have mentioned work with linux systems ..as well yeah...they are cheap enough to test out... | 20:24 |
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| endso | Kot: weird...worked and then stopped?...some process gotta be shutting it down... | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | nah, it's my alsa 'experienced' coding | 20:27 |
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| vectis | endso: https://www.adafruit.com/ good place to look for linux compatible usb sound | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | remember that we have quite ancient kernel on n8x0 | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | 2.6.21 | 20:27 |
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| KotCzarny | so unless it works with generic driver, better not rely on custom drivers | 20:28 |
| vectis | KotCzarny: so whats the magic required in the .asoundrc file? | 20:30 |
| endso | 2nd post down...http://agateau.com/2009/advice-on-linux-friendly-usb-soundcard/ this is from back in the day...they still make these too...should be compliant with needs..."looks" pretty much like what you referred to Kot.. | 20:30 |
| endso | Vectis: love fruit | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | vectis: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aLfv5ATZ | 20:31 |
| vectis | yer, great with 'pi' | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | and i run: mplayer -ao alsa:device=usb | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | this config is safe enough because it preserves default card as a n8x0 one | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | i think you can even paste only part after 'usb audio' | 20:32 |
| endso | https://www.adafruit.com/products/1475 ....fruity | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | its.. white | 20:35 |
| endso | hahahaha | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | also, so many technical details | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | totally anonymous | 20:36 |
| endso | yeah | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | no usb id, no chipset, no specs | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.adafruit.com/products/987 | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 20:37 |
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| KotCzarny | is it connected to serial port or something? | 20:38 |
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| KotCzarny | pocket instrument amp, hint hint | 20:38 |
| vectis | KotCzarny: no go here. http://pastebin.com/pkyirpM2 | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if i did anything else to the configs | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | i think i got that error once, then somehow everything started working | 20:44 |
| endso | hm...same thing here...http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-Virtual-7-1-Channel-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-for-MacOS-Vista-Linux-/381287656929?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58c683ede1 ...as well this looks as generic as it gets... http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-to-3D-audio-sound-card-adapter-virtual-7-1-ch-for-Vista-7-8-Linux-Mac-/231586303020?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35eb9e8c2c | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | Internet Tablet OS version: RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2010.33-1_PR_MR0 | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | mine is: | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | Internet Tablet OS version: RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0 | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | what is your uname -a ? | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | endso: still, completely anonymous | 20:46 |
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| endso | linux nokia-n800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #3 PREEMPT Wed Sep 28 21:48:59 CEST 2011 armv61 unknown ....I'm running diablo turbo test kernel | 20:50 |
| vectis | Linux Nokia-N810-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 PREEMPT Sun Mar 13 23:29:39 CET 2011 armv6l unknown | 20:50 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 20:51 |
| endso | for what it's worth :D | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | vectis, i think all the logs and asound files are the same or similar | 20:51 |
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| KotCzarny | alsa-lib: pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM usb1 | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | where did you create your .asoundrc? | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | and which user is running mplayer? | 20:54 |
| vectis | ~/ as user | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | ls -l /home/user/.asoundrc | 20:56 |
| vectis | oops, typo....... -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 467 Jul 17 18:32 /home/user/.asoundrc | 21:02 |
| vectis | I get............ noise http://pastebin.com/JpCq3crF | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | so it works now? | 21:03 |
| vectis | tablet crashed. not playing music, just noise | 21:04 |
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| KotCzarny | he he | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | also, typo in the cmd line | 21:04 |
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| KotCzarny | but at least something started to happen | 21:05 |
| vectis | my typo, to many ........... lol | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | Playing /media/mmc1/borderlands/Borderlands 2 - Doomsday Trailer.mp3. | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | rock on! | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | weird thing is my amplifier show much higher power usage, could be some low freqs on the run | 21:07 |
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| KotCzarny | seriously, something weird is happening | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | it goes up to 0.5W on the power meter, while normally at this amplification level it's lower than 0.004W | 21:10 |
| vectis | hmm, 2nd attempt and the same.. noise then crash | 21:13 |
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| KotCzarny_ | darn consumer dsl | 21:17 |
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| KotCzarny | did i miss anything? | 21:17 |
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| KotCzarny | hrm, now i get device busy in gtkgep even after device closed properly | 21:32 |
| vectis | KotCzarny: I've just tried another usb sound device and I get the same results. | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | vectis, same being 'no device' or reboot? | 21:33 |
| vectis | audio noise then reboot | 21:33 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder if i get reboots on capture because it tries to use too much power | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | bah, no. arecord worked fine | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pa | 21:57 |
| infobot | methinks pa is PAY ATTENTION!!!!!, or ~pulseaudio | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pulseaudio | 21:57 |
| infobot | hmm... pulseaudio is aka PolypAudio, or <KotCzarny> For the uninitiated, pulse stands for "painfully useless linux sound engineers" | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | har har | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | pulseaudio should die in a fire | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | also, my alsa coding skill suck | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | My N900 simply lost network :-((( | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | doc, would you like helping a bit? it's a simple alsa record&play, and can be done on pc | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | doc: reboot? search manually? | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no "No SIM!", not problems to get IMEI, simply "No Network" | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | could be ether noise | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rebooted, removed battery | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cleaned SIM contacts | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | put the card into other phone? | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you're out of the range? | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | someone banned your imei? | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | check different sim? | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | different gsm network? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it worked this noon, and the afternoon I noticed it had no interet data despite showing bogux 8 bars signal in a souterrain | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I switched from dual to 3G and it had no signal, I switched back to dual: no signal | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, happened few times to me too, but usually going into offline mode then back fixed it | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did that: no signal | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | get out of the house? | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | also, if you search for networks manually does it show anyother networks? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I was in a shopping mall when I noticed, usually no signal there. Now I'm home and zilch changed | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | searching for networks isn't feasible, clicking on "telephone" in settings gives me a "No Signal" yellow bar | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird shit | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | could be dead gsm chip :/ | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, strange version of dead GSM | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RF forntend chip borked | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | had some thunderstorms lately? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, why can't I get into settings->telephone | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it worked a 6h ago | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5 actually | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | it could be delayed failure | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | ie. fried partially, then died | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recharged my prepaid a 8h ago, and switched "internet access"-"connect automatically" from WLAN back to "ANY connection" | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it just died from overuse | 22:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 removes battery and SIM | 22:10 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders reflashing --cmt-only | 22:11 | |
| KotCzarny | what would reflash do? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea? show it works, show it fails, make it resume normal operation... or not | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah pnatd | 22:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 will try pnatd next | 22:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, removed SIM, shows "No SIM" icon | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | settings->Phone "Cellular network not available" is obviously normal | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | compared to another device without SIM | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only mine shown it while there was a SIM inserted, and no "No SIM!" icon | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl, I prolly at least after reboot hit "skip" instead of "ok" after entering PIN | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | not sleeping enoug?> | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bear with me, 37°C outside, normally I wouldn't have left my nice cool flat | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | move to poland | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | you would miss the heat | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | it's the middle of the summer, yet, it's in 18-25C range | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still this doesn't explain the initial fsckup | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | first time 'no network' on n900? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know that shopping mall, I usually barely have any signal where this time it claimed 100% but no network | 22:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 HATES that slotmachine date selector in welcome screen | 22:28 | |
| KotCzarny | he he | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | ignore it and just hit ntpupdate icon? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honesty which idiot thought a simple calendar view was not leete enough? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3G \/ | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ :-))) | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | the same as those who designed calendar app? | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *really* *funny* how the N900 act up when you _skip_ the PIN | 22:35 |
| kerio | smartphones should really decide whether they're phones or computers with phones | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | n900 is a computer with phone module | 22:39 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: welcome screen --> some C++ developer... | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | payap | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yep | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this damn thing is prolly the most eyecandy overkill least functional app on whole maemo, ever | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | apart from marketing videos included on emmc ? | 23:09 |
| Pali | Package: hildon-welcome, Version: 0.23-2+0m5, Description: Splashscreen This package contains the program which shows the welcome animation., Maintainer: Gabriel Schulhof <gabriel.schulhof@nokia.com> | 23:09 |
| L29Ah | i wonder if it can be purged safely | 23:09 |
| Pali | now you can blame nokias people... | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | om harmatten they did it the other way around: everything Nokia had eyecandy but was quite useful, and they removed the eyecandy for crappy versions of the maemo "eyecandy" gadgets, for the SDK | 23:10 |
| Pali | hm... source code available?? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-welcome/hildon-welcome_0.23-2+0m5.tar.gz | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: it can get purged with no negative effects | 23:11 |
| Pali | ah... no :-( wrong package... welcome animation is that Nokia hands | 23:12 |
| Pali | and package contains simple video player | 23:12 |
| L29Ah | :D | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I guess that's the shakehands stuff | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I meant the "set language, zone, time, date" stuff | 23:13 |
| Pali | yes | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never can tell apart the names of those two | 23:14 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why don't you just uninstall it? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good question | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly because I never get the name right | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | maybe because most normal people see it once per few years mostly | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that too :-) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should fix bupbat | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then I never would see it again | 23:16 |
| * Sicelo sees it a lot now :( | 23:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, nuking dat crap would be best approach, if only I knew the name of the binary | 23:17 |
| Sicelo | exchanging batteries daily, and bupbat died loong ago | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: tried fastswap? | 23:18 |
| Pali | Package: osso-startup-wizard, Version: 2.3.99-85+0m5, Depends: .. libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) ..., Description: Startup Wizard The startup wizard is the first GUI the user sees, Maintainer: Karoliina Salminen <karoliina.t.salminen@nokia.com> | 23:18 |
| Pali | this one ^^^ | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | osso-startup-wizard !!! | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | replace it with something nice | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: thanks a megaton | 23:18 |
| Pali | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages/osso-startup-wizard | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: /bin/true :-) | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | or just with delayed ntpdate pool.ntp.org call | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:19 |
| Pali | If removed: *Not critical package *If date/time is lost, they are not asked during bootup, but set to Jan 1st 2000. | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is that a comment somewhere? | 23:20 |
| Sicelo | fastswap ... yes, when i had working USB .. cool stuff ;) | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on that webpage | 23:20 |
| Pali | yes, on above page ^^^^^ | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess deleting /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard suffices? | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | moved it to ~root/ | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see if I bricked device | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 23:25 |
| L29Ah | Package hildon-welcome is not installed, so not removed | 23:25 |
| L29Ah | i wonder how did that happen | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | you were scrubbing it before | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | most likely | 23:25 |
| L29Ah | Pali: :* | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YEEHAAA no osso-fuckup-wizard anymore | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | little things.. | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see how long it takes till time/date is set automatically from network | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | not long | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | getting on the network takes much longer | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems it doesn't adjust time, so far | 23:29 |
| Sicelo | by network you mean an IP network, you cellular operator? | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 23:29 |
| Sicelo | s/you/or/ | 23:30 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: by network or mean an IP network, you cellular operator? | 23:30 |
| Sicelo | meh | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | typo day | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | luckily it's almost over | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, I had "automatic update" disabled in date&time | 23:30 |
| Sicelo | interestingly auto-update doesn't work on my 2nd N900 ... this N900 has a few quirks | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | time ok, after fixing "auto-update2 for time&date | 23:32 |
| Sicelo | but it seems to also fsck up tracker (for those of us who still have it) | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now just one more hickup of the day: this damn very IRC client eats 100% of one of my CPU cores | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | use ssh+irssi ? | 23:34 |
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