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| L29Ah | Nokia-N900:~# chroot /mnt/tmp/ /bin/bash | 08:56 |
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| L29Ah | FATAL: kernel too old | 08:56 |
| L29Ah | this SUCKS | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | its the main show stopper | 08:57 |
| L29Ah | i wonder if a new eglibc/uclibc can handle it | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | only two ways to find out | 08:58 |
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| ceene | in the thread about easy debian | 11:33 |
| ceene | there's a explanation on how to patch glibc | 11:33 |
| ceene | to allow it to run on maemo's kernel | 11:33 |
| ceene | it's just a couple line replacements | 11:33 |
| ceene | i assume some things that are not supported will never work, of course, but most of the apps will run without any problem | 11:33 |
| ceene | only those that try to use newest syscalls will face problems | 11:34 |
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| ceene | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1446540&postcount=3138 | 11:37 |
| ceene | here it is | 11:37 |
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| KotCzarny | nice, we can has newest glibc without upping kernel? | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | why noone made a maemo package yet? | 11:40 |
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| kerio | KotCzarny: yeah i'm not entirely sure it will work | 11:58 |
| kerio | i mean, the minimum kernel requirement is probably there for a reason | 11:59 |
| ceene | i have it running under easy debian | 12:00 |
| ceene | and it seems to work | 12:00 |
| ceene | as i said, there may be some applications that want to run new syscalls that do not exist in our kernel | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | its because some calls have changed, some have been added | 12:00 |
| ceene | well | 12:01 |
| ceene | calls never change | 12:01 |
| ceene | they shouldn't | 12:01 |
| ceene | at least at kernel level | 12:01 |
| ceene | that's why sometimes there are syscalls in fashion of do_something, do_something1, do_something2 | 12:01 |
| ceene | so it remains binary compatible | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | but overall most apps use some basic pack of calls that would work even on old kernels, right? | 12:01 |
| ceene | but it can happen that some application wants to use some of the do_something2 that doesn't exist in our kernel | 12:01 |
| ceene | yes | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | it would be sweet to have recent glibc | 12:02 |
| ceene | in fact, latest easy debian works with a patched glibc | 12:02 |
| ceene | and i have yet not found any application that wants to use a new syscall or whatever | 12:02 |
| ceene | so most of everything seems to work fine | 12:02 |
| ceene | and of course | 12:02 |
| ceene | no maemo application is going to try to use new syscalls | 12:02 |
| ceene | when they don't even know they exist | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | because then we could simply use debian current repo | 12:02 |
| ceene | but glibc may try to do something on his own | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | or recompile current packages | 12:03 |
| ceene | i mean, maybe some new syscall allows glibc to perform something like, dunno, strlen() much more faster | 12:03 |
| ceene | so even if maemo apps do not explicitily use new syscalls | 12:03 |
| ceene | glibc may want to do it regardless | 12:03 |
| ceene | of course strlen is not going to be an issue, but some other functions may | 12:03 |
| ceene | all in all, it may be worth a try | 12:03 |
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| ceene | also, latest kernel on maemo is 2.6.28 | 12:04 |
| ceene | while new glibc requires 2.6.32 | 12:04 |
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| ceene | maybe it's easy to bump maemo's kernel those 4 releases? | 12:05 |
| bencoh | you'd need to port the various patches | 12:07 |
| ceene | maybe they're not so much, i don't know | 12:07 |
| ceene | is it up there somewhere a git tree? | 12:07 |
| bencoh | there is Pali's tree | 12:08 |
| Pali | https://github.com/pali/linux-n900 | 12:08 |
| ceene | is it the one that builds kernel-power-2.6.28-10power53? | 12:08 |
| ceene | hi, Pali :) | 12:09 |
| ceene | you're always online | 12:09 |
| ceene | hehe | 12:09 |
| Pali | kernel-power do not have regular git tree | 12:09 |
| bencoh | kernel-power is in the repos | 12:09 |
| Pali | just quilt like patches on top of mainline 2.6.28 version | 12:09 |
| bencoh | (including sources&patches) | 12:09 |
| ceene | i see you got branches even for v4.0 | 12:09 |
| Pali | yes, kernel-power source code is in maemo-extras | 12:09 |
| Pali | on github are some branches for 4.x kernels too | 12:10 |
| L29Ah | okay uclibc sucks as well | 12:10 |
| L29Ah | do debian guys provide armv7a-hardfp stuff? | 12:10 |
| ceene | does it work? | 12:10 |
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| ceene | you already got a barnch for 2.6.32, that'd be enough to run a modern glibc | 12:12 |
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| pentanol | hi there, I got error on the nokia n900 when I want to send mms: | 12:43 |
| pentanol | -3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution' | 12:43 |
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| Vajb_ | sounds like ur internet connection is not working | 13:35 |
| L29Ah | wow ppl actually use the mms stuff | 13:37 |
| bencoh | pentanol: have you checked the fMMS TMO threads (I assume you're using fMMS) ? | 13:38 |
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| Vajb_ | well since yappari i haven't used fmms, but occasionally some sms sent from some phone show up as sms here. | 13:48 |
| bencoh | how does it work when you're on a gprs apn btw ? | 13:49 |
| bencoh | (does it work at all, or does fMMS disconnects/reconnects you periodically ?) | 13:49 |
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| Vajb_ | bencoh: i only use gprs and it works without problems. Tho i receive mms rarely | 14:30 |
| Vajb_ | or rather i keep gprs active always and occasionally connect wlan on side to be able to move stuff from laptop. | 14:32 |
| pentanol | fmms need internet connection for mms sends? | 14:34 |
| pentanol | when n900 connected to wifi fMMS say: -2, 'Name or service not known' | 14:36 |
| pentanol | there no way send mms from gsm? | 14:37 |
| APic\splat | An MMS is only a SMS with a Link to a remotely stored huge Message, i think. | 14:39 |
| APic\splat | Or something like that. | 14:39 |
| APic\splat | So MMS is not only GSM, but also GPRS to access the Internet-Site. | 14:40 |
| pentanol | on n900 I can send mms only with fMMS or other apps? | 14:41 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | mms is almost always send via internet connection | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | some providers setup separate access names for mms traffic tho | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | s/send/sent/ | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | and for the link, some providers make life easier for people who do not want to use their cellulars to open data | 14:43 |
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| zGrr | moin ;) | 14:45 |
| frals | you need access to the providers mmsc to send mms, which is usually over some kind of internet connection | 14:45 |
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| bencoh | s/internet/network/ | 14:46 |
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| pentanol | zGrr moin moin | 14:52 |
| APic\splat | Hi ho. | 14:53 |
| L29Ah | oh it was you hacking my sms thing | 14:54 |
| L29Ah | ! | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | hacking? its wide open | 14:54 |
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| DeusIX | Hello. I just got N900 today and since it's used, I'd like to know what state is it in. | 16:33 |
| zGrr | Congratulations | 16:33 |
| DeusIX | thanks :D | 16:34 |
| bencoh | welcome aboard :) | 16:34 |
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| bencoh | DeusIX: you could play with it / test the main (hw) functions (phone, vibration, screen, lockswitch, full keyboard, camera, usb), flash it, and retry | 16:42 |
| bencoh | (there are more, but ... you'll see) | 16:42 |
| DeusIX | it doesn't seem top save changes like wallpaper | 16:42 |
| bencoh | if it's true, that's a software issue, I wouldnt mind about it | 16:43 |
| bencoh | until you reflash | 16:43 |
| Sicelo | hi. would anyone (using Activesync) know what hash algo is used for the email password in gconf | 16:45 |
| DeusIX | perhaps I should, but I don't want to brick it | 16:45 |
| bencoh | DeusIX: you'll want to flash it soon or later to start fresh | 16:46 |
| kerio | Sicelo: it's not a hash | 16:48 |
| kerio | DeusIX: you could flash_eraseall all your MTDs | 16:49 |
| kerio | and it would be but a minor setback | 16:49 |
| kerio | as long as you can figure out what the hw revision and the bluetooth mac address are supposed to be | 16:50 |
| bencoh | ? | 16:50 |
| kerio | that is, if your usb port is still working | 16:50 |
| DeusIX | usb works. i took a picture and i can see it on my computer, but not on the n900 | 16:53 |
| Sicelo | kerio: what is it? :-) how can i get the real password from it? | 16:53 |
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| kerio | DeusIX: the n900 usb port is very prone to breaking :( | 16:54 |
| DeusIX | about product gives me Nokia N900 <unknown> Version <unknown> | 16:54 |
| bencoh | unknown ? | 16:55 |
| Sicelo | fix the usb, and flash :) quickest way out of your dilemma. i had that <unknown> thing too | 16:55 |
| bencoh | in Settings->About Product ? | 16:55 |
| DeusIX | bencoh: yes | 16:55 |
| Sicelo | known problem | 16:56 |
| Sicelo | docscrutinizer could explain the cause, but a flash fixed mine | 16:57 |
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| Sicelo | something related to communication between maemo & cal ... possibly can be fixed other ways, but likely not straightforward | 17:00 |
| kerio | is it really | 17:01 |
| kerio | i thought it was just a missing mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 17:01 |
| Sicelo | let me find the convo | 17:02 |
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| Sicelo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-11-27.log.html#t2011-11-27T00:31:51 | 17:06 |
| DeusIX | on boot it says: no initfs \o/ | 17:12 |
| DeusIX | ok, so this fashing thing. how does it work and what precautions are there? | 17:12 |
| bencoh | ~flashing | 17:12 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 17:12 |
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| Vajb_ | hmm wait, if it says no initfs on boot isn't it in r&d mode | 18:28 |
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| kerio | it is | 18:29 |
| Vajb_ | so could that be the cause of unknown version? | 18:29 |
| L29Ah | a compiler just hanged again :[ | 18:31 |
| L29Ah | i guess i need to get the voltage up for 900MHz mode | 18:31 |
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| L29Ah | ~overclocking | 18:32 |
| infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" | 18:32 |
| bencoh | :D | 18:32 |
| L29Ah | infobot: you have no balls! | 18:32 |
| bencoh | infobot: <3 | 18:32 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, <3 is love | 18:32 |
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| L29Ah | hmm, is it possible to combine the smartreflex thing with manual overvolting? | 18:37 |
| bencoh | overvolting ? | 18:38 |
| bencoh | you dont specify voltage with smartreflex | 18:39 |
| L29Ah | i was said there that smartreflex won't increase voltage for >800MHz or so | 18:39 |
| Vajb_ | i heard that it doesn't work stable over that | 18:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I thought it was not recommended to use SR for >800Mhz ? | 18:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ding | 18:40 |
| Vajb_ | maybe it was 850... | 18:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~sr | 18:41 |
| infobot | [SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<< | 18:41 |
| L29Ah | okay, i'll just step down for now | 18:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hm | 18:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~kp | 18:41 |
| infobot | it has been said that kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287 | 18:41 |
| bencoh | L29Ah: just use it with ondemand at max 800 and you'll be fine :) | 18:41 |
| bencoh | (or 850, whatever :) | 18:42 |
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| L29Ah | okay it hanged again in the same place on 850; removed the aggressive garbage collecting bullshit from CFLAGS; worked; returning to 900 | 19:07 |
| L29Ah | oh, no, didn't work (: | 19:07 |
| L29Ah | oh, no, it worked | 19:11 |
| L29Ah | i guess i need to postpone all this bullshit until i get a decent building farm | 19:11 |
| bencoh | ? | 19:12 |
| bencoh | oh, that | 19:12 |
| bencoh | meh | 19:13 |
| APic\splat | oK. | 19:14 |
| APic\splat | s/oK/Ok/ | 19:14 |
| infobot | APic\splat meant: Ok. | 19:14 |
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| DeusIX | so to flash i run this "flash-it-all" on my ubuntu while N900 is connected to the usb? | 19:54 |
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| DeusIX | should the N900 be on mass-media-mode or off or what? | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 20:02 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 20:02 |
| DeusIX | Vajb_: what's r&d mode? | 20:04 |
| APic\splat | A Mode for the People who cannot install „rootsh” or something. | 20:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~rd | 20:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~rdmode | 20:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmm there is a wiki | 20:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DeusIX: http://wiki.maemo.org/R%2526D_mode | 20:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | needs double escaping on URL | 20:16 |
| APic\splat | Escaping > * | 20:19 |
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| DeusIX | well flash-it-all started downloading something | 20:32 |
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| DeusIX | yay. It still works. | 20:47 |
| DeusIX | and is no longer unknown, but maemo 5 | 20:47 |
| APic\splat | B-) | 20:48 |
| Sicelo | :) | 20:48 |
| APic\splat | B-) | 20:49 |
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| Vajb_ | btw does anyone use that blacklisting thing for phone calls? | 21:10 |
| Vajb_ | salesman have been bugging me that much this week that i started to think of blocking all calls which aren't in my phonebook | 21:10 |
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| KotCzarny | i do | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | apparently it works, though its quirky | 21:21 |
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| ecc3g | callerx is kind of clunky... | 21:32 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | callerx WFM | 21:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Vajb_: ^^ | 21:57 |
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| Vajb_ | wfm? | 22:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~wfm | 22:12 |
| infobot | wfm is, like, (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications.. Works For Me | 22:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the latter :) | 22:12 |
| Vajb_ | :) | 22:14 |
| Vajb_ | no performance issues? | 22:14 |
| APic\splat | There is no Thing without Performance-Issues. | 22:15 |
| Vajb_ | ok. Let me rephrase myself. Will i notice slow down of device or longer delay for caller pefore my phone rings? | 22:17 |
| Vajb_ | well i don't notice latter but my gf might | 22:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | It's well, I suppose, clunky or quirky I suppose you could say. But works none the less. | 22:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Maybe slight delay in ringing, on occasion a one ring/missed call note before being blocked. | 22:27 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | but much better than the alternative pycallblocker IMO. | 22:27 |
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| Vajb_ | k. Think i will give it a try | 22:27 |
| Vajb_ | thx | 22:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Vajb_: np, BTW it's maintainer hasn't been about for a while but feel free to report issues in it's thread on TMO. | 22:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh and also feel free to vote on the package as it's in extras-testing IIRC | 22:32 |
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| Vajb_ | hmm i guess one needs account for voting | 22:35 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75013. oh and I just checked its in extras \o/ | 22:36 |
| APic\splat | Whoah, nice! | 22:38 |
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| kopple | hi, is anybody getting 403 forbidden errors ? Even google itself gives "The service you requested is restricted and not available to your browser" | 23:39 |
| kopple | n900, maemo | 23:40 |
| kopple | I can't surf to any website | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | are you using some proxy? | 23:40 |
| kopple | not as far as I'm aware | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | maybe your cellular provider restricts | 23:41 |
| kopple | I should give them a call, does this happen to others? | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:41 |
| kopple | I recall there being some community-developped updates for maemo, I have never updated it that way. Could this give the browser some boost? | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | you have definitely something fishy going on | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | try wifi | 23:44 |
| kopple | sure | 23:44 |
| kopple | right away | 23:44 |
| kopple | wifi works, you're definitely right | 23:45 |
| kopple | ISP is to blame | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | for starters try faking user agent | 23:45 |
| kopple | easily done? | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86714 | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | disclaimer: i havent tried it | 23:46 |
| kopple | 50MB, I may be low on memory. Is this simply a test or something to keep? | 23:48 |
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| kopple | if I'm not mistaken this should change the browser user agent so that automatic filtering from ISP side may be circumvented. Am I right? | 23:49 |
| kopple | In this case, I may be going to keep it ;) | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | kopple, you might want to look for any other tool | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe a way to change it manually | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | maybe about:config works or in config | 23:50 |
| kopple | oh damn, my installation is broken. I can't confirm to any Y/n request in terminal. Gotta look for it in the app. manager | 23:51 |
| kopple | in case I failed will the ISP be banning me for serious reasons? | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | that's up to your isp service agreement | 23:52 |
| kopple | well, this browser may be ancient but isn't this my business? | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | depends what they sold you | 23:53 |
| kopple | plain internet access, no VPN or secure connection whatsoever | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | if there is nothing in the paperwork, they shouldn't mangle your connectivity | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | maybe they treat unknown user agents as bots, who knows | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | try googling the problem, because most likely you wont be the only one (but its bound to your isp, not n900 specifically) | 23:55 |
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