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| {-0-} | my liblzo2-2 is missing, should I install this? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/l/lzo2/liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb | 00:32 |
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| {-0-} | it says maemo 3 but it's in the freemantle set | 00:32 |
| {-0-} | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901 | 00:34 |
| povbot | Bug 8901: openvpn installation failed. liblzo2-2 missing | 00:34 |
| {-0-} | beat the bot! :) | 00:34 |
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| {-0-} | result :) liblzo2 installed ( never used debian before, so all that sources.list stuff is new to me ), backup menu and kernel power now installed | 02:39 |
| {-0-} | the rest will need to wait till tomo | 02:40 |
| {-0-} | Sicelo, thanks for the pointer to backupmenu, certainly made flashing the kernel less worrying :) | 02:41 |
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| pentanol | hi there | 09:17 |
| pentanol | can someone point me to sim toolkit .install file or .deb ? | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | there is no such thing | 09:18 |
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| princefakhan | hello. need a lil help. | 10:14 |
| L29Ah | need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle | 10:14 |
| princefakhan | I have exported my N900 contacts to vcf files. I need to combine them all into one .vcf file | 10:15 |
| princefakhan | L29Ah: lol | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | cat *.vcf > 00.vcf | 10:15 |
| princefakhan | ohkay! thanks. KotCzarny | 10:15 |
| pentanol | btw, in what directory n900 store phone contact list and\or maybe skype contact-list? | 10:15 |
| princefakhan | somewhere in /home/user/ I guess | 10:16 |
| pentanol | I guess too, I want know right | 10:17 |
| L29Ah | `grep -r` is your friend | 10:17 |
| pentanol | I did it by phone number and get many trash. | 10:18 |
| L29Ah | try contact name | 10:18 |
| L29Ah | phone number must have pulled history entries | 10:19 |
| pentanol | or just make clear all address book? | 10:19 |
| pentanol | clean this out* | 10:20 |
| princefakhan | uh!! | 10:20 |
| princefakhan | END:VCARDcat: can't open '00.vcf': No such file or director | 10:20 |
| pentanol | princefakhan you never use sim menu on yours n900? | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | princefakhen: did you put space after > ? | 10:23 |
| princefakhan | my bad. I didn't put > | 10:25 |
| princefakhan | it worked. thanks again. | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | mind you, i dont know the vcard format for multiple entries | 10:26 |
| princefakhan | Now. any idea to export my contacts to SIM | 10:26 |
| pentanol | KotCzarny what button to use '>' ? on my russian version I can't found it. | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | go to contacts and click on the menu, then look if there is anything sim management related? | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | pentanol: virtual keyboard, or change key mappings | 10:27 |
| L29Ah | pentanol: ↗+Ctrl | 10:28 |
| princefakhan | there is nothing like that on N900 atleast. | 10:28 |
| pentanol | L29Ah thanks | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | princefakhen, best you can do is to use another device and bluetooth | 10:31 |
| princefakhan | well I have an Asha 309 which I'm using for telephony right now. | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | select all contacts and send via bt | 10:32 |
| princefakhan | I wanted to transfer my contacts to it. | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | easiest to do | 10:32 |
| princefakhan | then I can copy to simcard too. | 10:32 |
| princefakhan | okay. let me try. | 10:32 |
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| princefakhan_ | works great. thanks Kotczarny. | 10:50 |
| princefakhan_ | guess there should be a wiki for "Managing Contacts" | 10:51 |
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| Sicelo | {-0-}: just remember to take regular backups, and make a note of the kernel version used for that backup. it is understood that you should only restore when the kernel is the same. | 10:56 |
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| L29Ah | okay, compiling the system in qemu turned out to be a bad idea | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:24 |
| L29Ah | feels like n900 would do it faster | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | too fast too furious? | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | grab some octacore arm machine for a compilation station? | 11:25 |
| L29Ah | nah, a careful building of a crosscompiler is cheaper | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | wishfull thinking | 11:26 |
| kerio | the problem is that scratchbox is awful | 11:28 |
| kerio | Sicelo: nah, but you need the modules for that kernel | 11:28 |
| kerio | in the backup | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | the problem is that we have nothing else comparably stable and useful | 11:28 |
| L29Ah | wtf no mtd in /proc/partitions | 11:28 |
| kerio | if you're worried about it, leave `kernel-modules` installed | 11:28 |
| kerio | so the nokia kernel will always work | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: forgot to add the options? | 11:28 |
| kerio | L29Ah: /proc/mtd | 11:28 |
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| kerio | surely | 11:29 |
| L29Ah | kerio: :* | 11:29 |
| kerio | you should still be seeing mtdblock* tho | 11:29 |
| L29Ah | musl seems to be working btw | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | musl? | 11:31 |
| L29Ah | guess i can set up a gentoo chroot to build fresh stuff statically for maemo users :> | 11:31 |
| L29Ah | KotCzarny: a sane libc | 11:31 |
| L29Ah | *statically and automatically | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | dont build statically, create libs in /opt/musl or something | 11:32 |
| kerio | btw i strongly recommend using openssh 6.8 | 11:33 |
| kerio | the thumby one | 11:33 |
| L29Ah | is it in extras-devel? | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | thumby one needs thumby libs and system | 11:34 |
| kerio | nope | 11:34 |
| kerio | it's a tarball | 11:34 |
| kerio | with ssh installed in /usr/local | 11:34 |
| kerio | i've got so many fucking dpkg-diverts in place now | 11:34 |
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| kerio | the other problem is that the latest openssl is not thumby | 11:36 |
| kerio | but it shouldn't matter if you're using the correct ciphers | 11:36 |
| kerio | and keys | 11:36 |
| L29Ah | have anyone measured the space efficiency of thumb vs regular code? | 11:36 |
| kerio | aka ssh-ed25519 keys, curve25519-sha256 key exchange, chacha20-poly1305 cipher | 11:37 |
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| Maxdamantus | imo, nix is cool. | 13:27 |
| Maxdamantus | in that, everything sits in /nix. | 13:28 |
| * Maxdamantus made a nixpkgs fork recently that was at least able to build nix and git for N900 (had to roll back glibc because of old kernel etc) | 13:29 | |
| kerio | wtf is nix | 13:35 |
| Maxdamantus | a purely functional package manager. | 13:35 |
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| Maxdamantus | when you build a package, it's stored in a directory in /nix/store/, with a name containing a hash of the build instructions and the hashes of the build dependencies. | 13:36 |
| Maxdamantus | and things refer absolutely to libraries within those build directories. | 13:38 |
| Maxdamantus | so each program will know exactly where in /nix/store the libc it uses is. | 13:38 |
| Maxdamantus | (and so on for other libraries) | 13:38 |
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| Maxdamantus | and the database keeps track of runtime dependencies by scanning files for filenames beginning with /nix/store, so you can efficiently copy closures of packages between systems. | 13:40 |
| Maxdamantus | packages can never interfere with other installed packages (when it comes to loading libraries etc from other packages) | 13:41 |
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| KotCzarny | isnt it a bit against libraries idea? | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | that way you could simply compile everything statically | 13:51 |
| kerio | but | 13:52 |
| kerio | muh replication | 13:52 |
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| Maxdamantus | Yes, it's sort of like everything's compiled statically in some sense (in the sense that the behaviour doesn't change), but if there's some memory sharing advantage to shared objects, then you still have that. | 13:59 |
| Maxdamantus | memory/storage | 14:00 |
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| kerio | between processes of the same "container" only, though | 14:03 |
| Maxdamantus | cross-compilation is still unfortunately lame (if they had designed nixpkgs differently, it could've been basically the best cross-compilation system ever for unix), but it's quite easy running builds using qemu user emulation, since you just build qemu natively and point binfmt to the corrent /nix/store path. | 14:04 |
| Maxdamantus | (then if you want to run ARM binaries in any chroot on the system you just need to make sure /nix is bind-mounted there, no messing with putting static qemus in the right place or copy libcs around) | 14:06 |
| kerio | putting /nix there is literally messing with static qemus in the right place | 14:06 |
| Maxdamantus | Kind of, but it's a standard location, rather than something like /x86_64-to-arm-qemu | 14:07 |
| Wizzup | which you can set through /proc | 14:08 |
| Wizzup | of course | 14:08 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes. That's how you normally configure binfmt. | 14:10 |
| kerio | does it have to be in the same place in all the chroot jails then? | 14:11 |
| kerio | it's not specific to each jail | 14:11 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes, but that's easy if you're just bind-mounting /nix | 14:11 |
| Wizzup | Maxdamantus: how does nix do with 'reproducible builds' | 14:11 |
| Maxdamantus | Wizzup: it does that by referring to build dependencies precisely. | 14:12 |
| Maxdamantus | Wizzup: it doesn't refer to /usr/bin/gcc | 14:12 |
| Wizzup | so it can reproduce binaries exactly? bit by bit? | 14:12 |
| Wizzup | I'm doing research in this currently, and I'd be very interested | 14:12 |
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| Maxdamantus | I think it should almost do it bit-by-bit, but they don't enforce it. | 14:12 |
| Maxdamantus | (eg, they don't necessarily remove possible build timestamps from programs) | 14:14 |
| Maxdamantus | but since ultimately all build instructions refer to all the source code and build instructions for other programs used in the build process (until a bootstrapped gcc, which is a specific binary for each architecture), it should be fairly deterministic. | 14:15 |
| Maxdamantus | The guy that made it has a decent paper on a build system (alternative to `make`) that he made a while ago, called `maak`. | 14:18 |
| Maxdamantus | http://nixos.org/~eelco/pubs/iscsd-scm11-submitted.pdf | 14:19 |
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| KotCzarny | oh boy, thats what we always need, another breakthrough 'standard' | 14:24 |
| Maxdamantus | standard across your system. | 14:25 |
| Maxdamantus | if you were referring to the qemu path. | 14:25 |
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| Maxdamantus | it's not standard across everyone's system .. I myself use /nix/store/czmip8abq077ma1x2ksb79613z2g6jig-qemu-2.2.1/bin/qemu-arm , but other people likely have different paths. | 14:26 |
| Maxdamantus | The point is that as long as /nix is visible in the chroot, you can just run ARM binaries. | 14:27 |
| KotCzarny | im talking about make, qmake, cmake, maak and f*cktituded of others | 14:28 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah. | 14:28 |
| Wizzup | don't forget plan9's awesome "mk" | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, and imake | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | and sometimes they get installed to build single useful package, then forgotten | 14:28 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't think that's bad, as long as they themselves are easy to install (maak wasn't, because it was implemented in Haskell, but he didn't really expect everyone to use it) | 14:29 |
| Maxdamantus | if he did want it to be popular, he'd've probably made a portable implementation in C. | 14:30 |
| Maxdamantus | which isn't what cmake, qmake and scons are, at least. | 14:30 |
| Maxdamantus | dunno about anything else. | 14:30 |
| KotCzarny | its okay, im just ranting, same would apply to gtk, qt, xaw etc | 14:30 |
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| Maxdamantus | imo, you should be able to compile most programs by doing something like: cc -o foo linux-main.c common/*.c -lX11 | 14:36 |
| Maxdamantus | but, people seem happy enough to make everything complicated. | 14:37 |
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| KotCzarny | nothing like a good compilation script | 14:46 |
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| _1_Melvin | hello | 21:00 |
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| L29Ah | Maxdamantus: can i screw systemd in favour of openrc easily in nixos? | 21:30 |
| KotCzarny | sysvinit :P | 21:32 |
| L29Ah | openrc is compatible with sysvinit stuff :þ | 21:36 |
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| KotCzarny | ood :P | 21:40 |
| kerio | so is systemd | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | but to be honest i prefer simple /etc/rcS | 21:40 |
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