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| freehck | hello people | 03:31 |
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| freehck | I've just bought Nokia N900. :) | 03:31 |
| freehck | I realized that official repositories (catalogs) seemed to be unavailable now. | 03:32 |
| freehck | What is the correct way to get actual updates? | 03:32 |
| freehck | Are they exist by the way? | 03:32 |
| freehck | Plus. I've read some articles that root access can be accessed with the `rootsh' package which can be downloaded via Extra repository. But really I have not found from which exactly repository I can download and install it. | 03:34 |
| freehck | HAM seems to not have a search through packages by name. Is it correct? | 03:35 |
| freehck | And sorry for multiple questions. | 03:35 |
| freehck | I'm really newbie here. | 03:35 |
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| bencoh | freehck: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1467566&postcount=112 | 03:49 |
| bencoh | welcome aboard :) | 03:49 |
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| bencoh | you can use maemo.org/packages to browse/search for package from your computer | 03:50 |
| bencoh | now, off I go, 'night :) | 03:50 |
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| freehck | thank you vary much for replying. | 05:34 |
| freehck | But when I said about searching, I thought about the fact that I should list all the available packages in HAM for a specific package. It was too boring. I'd like to find a way to check packages to install easier. | 05:36 |
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| freehck | Oh, cool. I've got a root console on my phone. :) | 06:29 |
| freehck | Hm... it seems that zsh is not available... | 06:30 |
| freehck | What's a pity. | 06:30 |
| freehck | Hm... But it's easy to package it. I think I have a lot of work here. :) | 06:32 |
| freehck | Wow... No less package. | 06:34 |
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| KotCzarny | freehck: learn apt-get | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | and maybe port synaptic | 09:05 |
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| freehck | KotCzarny: have not understood. I've been being a debian user for more then 5 years, and think I know APT perfectly. What am I doing wrong? | 10:34 |
| freehck | KotCzarny: I suppose there's a repository with these utilities, right? | 10:35 |
| freehck | ah, I see. Extras-devel. I didn't add it. Time to do it. | 10:37 |
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| freehck | KotCzarny: Thank you. Already installed. ) | 10:41 |
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| KotCzarny | freehck: :) | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | ham is ugly | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | you should read about upgrading to cssu as it gives many improvements over stock | 10:51 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | oink | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | freehck: also, if you add repos outside ham it will overwrite them | 10:54 |
| freehck | KotCzarny: I was a little bit frightened about this upgrade because it was described as non-revertable. | 10:57 |
| KotCzarny | not true, you can always reflash with stock firmware | 10:57 |
| freehck | KotCzarny: What kind of staff will I get if I upgrade to CSSU? | 10:57 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 10:57 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 10:57 |
| freehck | *stuff | 10:57 |
| kerio | freehck: it's "non-revertable" in the sense that the only sensible way to revert it is to reflash | 10:58 |
| kerio | but if it's the first time you've ever set a n900 up, you WILL have to reflash at least once or twice anyway | 10:58 |
| kerio | because you will fuck things up | 10:58 |
| kerio | the nice part is, it's completely fine | 10:59 |
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| KotCzarny | freehck: reflashing its a part of hacking n900 | 10:59 |
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| KotCzarny | everyone did it few times, and its completely safe | 10:59 |
| kerio | there's pretty much nothing you can do to a n900 other than overclocking that would damage it | 11:00 |
| freehck | kerio: why will I necessarily fuck up? | 11:00 |
| kerio | software-wise, that is | 11:00 |
| KotCzarny | and best time to learn/test new stuff is when you are just starting with n900 | 11:00 |
| kerio | freehck: because fremantle is less resilient to fuckups than win98se | 11:00 |
| kerio | there's usually a way to unfuck things up, but there's pretty much no documentation | 11:01 |
| freehck | kerio: do you mean that it's not as stable as debian is? | 11:01 |
| KotCzarny | but, if you know debian a bit more than only from gui clicking, you should be fine | 11:01 |
| kerio | you'd think that changing the default shell to bash would be fine | 11:01 |
| kerio | but it makes your system unbootable | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | freehck: i recently managed fremantle to hang on boot because of bad line in ~/.profile | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | imagine that | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | luckily i didnt gave up and fixed it | 11:02 |
| freehck | KotCzarny: I'd rather create a new user for system tests. ) | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | (without reflashing, just booting rescueos) | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | no new user | 11:03 |
| kerio | the only "permanent" damage you can do would be to overwrite CAL | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | it's one user system | 11:03 |
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| KotCzarny | unless you hack it | 11:03 |
| kerio | but that only loses you the bluetooth mac address, pretty much | 11:03 |
| freehck | I've just understood that user "user" is something obligatory for system to work. | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | but too many gui things are bound to default /home/user | 11:03 |
| freehck | KotCzarny: I don't think that console utilities depend on /home/user so much. | 11:04 |
| freehck | it would be ridiculous. | 11:04 |
| kerio | if you like tinkering with partitions, make sure that the first partition on the emmc is vfat and the second is extfs | 11:04 |
| kerio | the third being swap is only used in sbin/preinit | 11:04 |
| kerio | so you can change that | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | freehck: anyway, feel free to hack | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | that's why we love n900 anyway | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | and if you come up with something new/cool, share it on talk.maemo.org | 11:05 |
| freehck | gotcha | 11:05 |
| freehck | btw, many people told me that maemo is a dying platform. Is it true? | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | and if you hack it beyond unhackable, reflash is quick and easy | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | too small userbase, nokia is owned by m$ etc | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | but if you just want linux phone, it's great | 11:07 |
| freehck | I saw that there was a lot of derivatives, but I don't like they're not debian-based. | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | most linux apps 'just work' after compiling | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | old glibc and gcc starts biting tho | 11:07 |
| freehck | I see there's emacs24 for maemo5. What could be better? :) | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | freehck: see my 'just grab the sources and compile it' | 11:08 |
| freehck | KotCzarny: where? | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | and where you get sources for linux apps? | 11:08 |
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| KotCzarny | for compiling see scratchbox env | 11:08 |
| freehck | apt-get source / pbuilder? | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | you can also compile on device, but it's tricky | 11:09 |
| freehck | hey, what debian is lying under maemo5? | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | ~scratchbox | 11:09 |
| infobot | hmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 11:09 |
| freehck | wheezy? | 11:09 |
| freehck | squeeze? | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | dont know | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | something from 2007-2009 | 11:09 |
| freehck | hm... | 11:09 |
| freehck | ,aybe even lenny. | 11:09 |
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| freehck | okay, i must work. | 11:10 |
| freehck | see u later. | 11:10 |
| freehck | and thanks for answers. | 11:10 |
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| L29Ah | [11:01:57]<kerio> you'd think that changing the default shell to bash would be fine | 13:06 |
| L29Ah | [11:02:00]<kerio> but it makes your system unbootable | 13:06 |
| L29Ah | worksforme | 13:06 |
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| kerio | it works fine as long as the shell you changed to is in /etc/shells and you don't change root's default shell | 13:07 |
| kerio | iirc | 13:07 |
| kerio | because, you know | 13:07 |
| kerio | 8 character passwords are fine | 13:07 |
| kerio | but god forbid a user sets a non-approved login shell | 13:07 |
| L29Ah | [11:04:44]<kerio> if you like tinkering with partitions, make sure that the first partition on the emmc is vfat and the second is extfs | 13:07 |
| L29Ah | i replaced vfat to ext2 okay, fixing only fstab | 13:07 |
| kerio | uboot will not work properly, i think | 13:08 |
| L29Ah | kerio: i did change the root's shell | 13:08 |
| kerio | unless it uses "the first vfat partition" rather than "the first partition, vfat" | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | *yawn* | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | there is always rescueos | 13:09 |
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| KotCzarny | for all those hacks | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | i will make it full blown rescue system one day | 13:10 |
| kerio | define "full blown rescue system" | 13:10 |
| L29Ah | port systemrescuecd ;] | 13:10 |
| kerio | it's got tools for ubifs, extfs and vfat | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:11 |
| bencoh | sysresc has ubifs support now ? | 13:14 |
| kerio | rescueOS has always been able to mount the maemo root fs | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | mount yes, but fix? | 13:16 |
| kerio | i doubt systemrescuecd does | 13:16 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: you don't fix ubifs | 13:16 |
| kerio | the fix for ubifs is to nuke it and rebuild | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:16 |
| bencoh | yeah I was talking about sysresccd :) | 13:16 |
| * Sicelo thinks NIN101 did a very good job with RescueOS | 13:39 | |
| bencoh | +1 :) | 13:39 |
| Sicelo | there are just too many possible things that can break Maemo, so a one-for-all rescue system isn't going to be very easy :) | 13:39 |
| NIN101 | Sicelo: thank you :-) | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | it has a room for improvements tho | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | but yes, good job | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | as a nr1 issue, please print some special key shortcuts | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | as in shift-space == tab | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | and fn-ctrl == esc | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 13:51 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: it's in the documentation | 13:53 |
| bencoh | hmm, maybe not documentation.txt though ... | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: best place is motd | 13:56 |
| NIN101 | yep, good idea | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | and placing 2 letters symlinks from /rescueOS to /usr/bin | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | ie. mm to mount-maemo.sh | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | and mu to umount-maemo.sh | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | that makes repeated reboots more passable | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | and get rid of that ask-on-start stuff | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | and make a script that will run them (asking) and name it qc | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | and list all those shortcuts in motd too | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | you get my idea? | 14:03 |
| NIN101 | yep. | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | also, you can run telnetd without asking | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | and get rid of root pass | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | it's not that it has to be secure or anything | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | it has to be quick and handy and helpful | 14:05 |
| NIN101 | would probably be ok in practise, yes. | 14:05 |
| KotCzarny | at least those are hacks you can do for all, i have more that i did | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | also, i have tried compiling kernel using your kernel_config and source, but it didnt boot | 14:06 |
| NIN101 | oh. | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | so, you should enable /proc/config.gz option | 14:06 |
| NIN101 | probably won't ever touch the kernel | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | i might have broken something because i changed few options, but those were unlikely to break booting | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | did you compile kernel yourself or used meego one? | 14:07 |
| NIN101 | compiled it myself in scratchbox, using the meego source | 14:07 |
| NIN101 | and modified the config a bit so it would actually work. | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | i may try compiling again without changing anything just for checking | 14:08 |
| NIN101 | anyway, could take a bit till the new release | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | no worries, it's usable and helped me in current form | 14:09 |
| NIN101 | a guy commited quite a lot of changes in the build system etc., first I have to make sure this works and everything. | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | just needed some tweaking | 14:09 |
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| L29Ah | i want a second n900 for hacking ;[ | 14:44 |
| freemangordon_ | L29Ah: isn;t n900 cheep these days? | 14:45 |
| freemangordon_ | *cheap | 14:45 |
| L29Ah | $120 avg there | 14:45 |
| L29Ah | i'm too cheap | 14:45 |
| bencoh | in the US ? | 14:45 |
| freemangordon_ | $120 O.o | 14:45 |
| L29Ah | in russia | 14:45 |
| bencoh | oh, okay | 14:46 |
| L29Ah | i got mine for $40 | 14:46 |
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| L29Ah | no one needs a thing that can't run angry birds | 14:46 |
| bencoh | I think it can | 14:46 |
| bencoh | it can play the webos version using preenv | 14:48 |
| bencoh | the android version runs on harmattan with apkenv | 14:49 |
| bencoh | it might run on maemo as well ... maybe | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, 40$ is more like it | 14:50 |
| bencoh | oh well, some android angry birds variants are known to run on maemo as well, according to wiki | 14:51 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: at what fps? | 14:52 |
| L29Ah | starts from $100 on ebay | 14:52 |
| bencoh | https://wiki.maemo.org/Apkenv/Game_Compatibility | 14:52 |
| bencoh | dunno, but it doesnt look bad | 14:52 |
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| KotCzarny | l29ah: global ebay or .ru one? | 14:54 |
| L29Ah | global | 14:54 |
| L29Ah | what's "ru ebay"? | 14:54 |
| L29Ah | we don't have such thing | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | ebay.ru ? | 14:54 |
| L29Ah | redirects to ebay.com | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | you should have local auctioning sites | 14:55 |
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| L29Ah | [14:45:34]<L29Ah> $120 avg there | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 15:01 |
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| L29Ah | i hope the battery measurement thing will able to recognize my 5A*h setup on the first run | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | nope, the chip learns slowly | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | will take few cycles | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | i see many n900 with damaged usb port | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | some as low as ~20$ | 15:04 |
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| useretail | ok, i have a real problem now | 16:58 |
| useretail | during calls i can't hear anything and wifi turns on by itself | 16:58 |
| useretail | what the hell might it be? | 16:59 |
| useretail | damaged flex cable? | 16:59 |
| useretail | ~flasher | 17:00 |
| infobot | somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 17:00 |
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| KotCzarny | usertail, sounds like a hardware problem | 17:08 |
| bencoh | ? | 17:09 |
| useretail | yeah, that's definitely hw problem, but i'll try to reflash first | 17:09 |
| KotCzarny | but wifi wouldnt turn on by itself | 17:09 |
| bencoh | useretail: speakers work (apart from during a call) ? | 17:09 |
| useretail | bencoh: yes | 17:09 |
| useretail | could it be kernel? | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | did you do something to kernel? | 17:10 |
| bencoh | dunno, but I'd bet "software" :) | 17:10 |
| bencoh | (and most probably userland) | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | also, which speakers we are talking about | 17:10 |
| useretail | bencoh: i mean i can't hear via earpiece, but when i enable loudspeakers i can hear | 17:11 |
| bencoh | oh | 17:11 |
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| KotCzarny | try oldschool fix by sucking softly on the earpiece | 17:11 |
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| useretail | and now when i turned off wifi, it turned on again! | 17:11 |
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| useretail | KotCzarny: what's that? | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | as for wifi, check if you have 'automatically connect on demand' or something | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | useretail, earpiece hole | 17:12 |
| useretail | oh that | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | n8x0 had such option, dont remember for n900 | 17:13 |
| useretail | nothing :( | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | any other info how it came to that state? | 17:14 |
| useretail | i was playing with power-kernel recently | 17:15 |
| useretail | changed profile | 17:15 |
| useretail | to lower voltage | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | you dont need to change voltage manually, using smartreflex is better | 17:16 |
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| useretail | ok, i'm backing up stuff | 17:17 |
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| useretail | how to get list of installed apps? | 17:17 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg -l | 17:17 |
| useretail | dpkg --get-selections | 17:17 |
| useretail | KotCzarny: yes, you was right for wifi | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | 'you were' | 17:20 |
| useretail | right | 17:20 |
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| useretail | polak? | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | tja | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | chyba nick czytelny, w kazdym razie po angielskiemu netykieta wymaga spikac | 17:22 |
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| useretail | troche znam polski, ale lepiej wracajmy do angielskiego ;) | 17:23 |
| useretail | any ideas why settings changed? | 17:24 |
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| KotCzarny | user? | 17:25 |
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| useretail | there's only one user | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | no, i mean user as in 'you' | 17:27 |
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| useretail | unless someone hacked me :( | 17:28 |
| useretail | which i don't think is possible :) | 17:28 |
| useretail | at least on my n900 | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, too obscure platform and most know droid | 17:28 |
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| zGrr | It is NOT obscure | 17:35 |
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| zGrr | It's part of a Debian ecosystem. | 17:36 |
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| KotCzarny | incompatible with debian repos | 17:40 |
| KotCzarny | so similar/forked, but not too close | 17:41 |
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| zGrr | KotCzarny: fairly close. | 17:52 |
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| knott_rays | how can i turn on the N900 keyboard light from the command line? | 22:29 |
| knott_rays | like, force it on | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | there is a way, search wiki.maemo.org | 22:31 |
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| useretail | ~vanilla | 22:44 |
| infobot | i heard vanilla is just plain old up & down & up & down & up & down & up & down & ooooh!, or the finest of the flavors | 22:44 |
| useretail | ~combined | 22:44 |
| infobot | from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 22:44 |
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