IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2015-04-26

sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: I got a warning that syslinux was removed, I wonder if that's systemd's doing00:34
KotCzarnyremoving sys* ?00:38
sixwheeledbeastWarning, your bootloader had been removed. Was the message in a nutshell...00:43
Wizzupyes, systemd has a bootloader now.00:43
KotCzarnyi wonder if they get their own kernel00:44
sixwheeledbeastWell I have grub2 aswell now.00:44
KotCzarnyi shall learn grub2 syntax one day00:45
KotCzarny1 was simple enough00:45
sixwheeledbeasthmmm,still waiting for install to complete and my other downloads and then I can reboot to see WTF has00:46
KotCzarnyprepare usb rescue booter00:46
sixwheeledbeastI have a unetbootin USB already, infact that's why I had syslinux in the first place I believe.00:48
* sixwheeledbeast yawns00:49
sixwheeledbeastwell i'll see in the morning when it's done, gn00:49
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Luke-Jrdidn't systemd fork Linux a while ago?02:49
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scottcLuke-Jr: I think that was an April Fool's joke :)03:19
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scottcat least, I hope it was...03:19
Luke-Jrit's inevitable.03:20
Luke-Jreven if it was last time03:21
* Luke-Jr is glad his distro is staying away from systemd03:21
scottcor gentoo?03:24
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sixwheeledbeastThere aren't many distros left...10:11
KotCzarnyyou can create your own10:11
KotCzarnysuited for your needs10:11
KotCzarnycould be10:12
KotCzarnyas i said, depends on your needs10:12
KotCzarnyim happy with slack10:12
sixwheeledbeastI was still thinking of the ones left.10:12
sixwheeledbeastI would hope things can rebase on devuan10:13
KotCzarnyonly time will tell10:14
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keriojust install openbsd :c10:51
kerioit's pretty10:51
bencohsigh :)10:54
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KotCzarnycan i run n900's scratchbox under openbsd?11:15
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* ryukafalz actually likes systemd11:20
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sixwheeledbeastryukafalz: I have no beef with systemd as such, however, I believe it has become the polar opposite of Unix philosophy.12:04
sixwheeledbeastAlso personally I prefer upstart, so why should people have to leave a distro because of one meta-ball of a package.12:06
sixwheeledbeastDo one thing and do it well?12:08
sixwheeledbeastChoose portability over efficiency?12:12
KotCzarnyisnt sysvinit already portable?12:12
KotCzarnymy main concern is the dependency hell12:13
KotCzarnyand also what swb said, 'do one thing but do it perfect' is the unix base12:13
KotCzarnyand we know what's the opposite of that12:15
KotCzarnyand blackboxes12:15
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kerioand systemd12:17
keriowhich has grown so big that bugs are inevitable12:17
kerioIN PID ZERO12:17
KotCzarnypid one12:18
kerioer yes12:19
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sixwheeledbeastMy main concern with systemd is PID 1 and having to reboot on updates.13:03
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sixwheeledbeastoh well time to go down for a reboot, call for help if you don't here from me in ~30 minutes....15:07
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KotCzarnyi guess swb lost to systemd15:36
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sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: I am alive. Well sort of.15:39
sixwheeledbeastI am now trying to fixed the things that have changed.15:40
KotCzarnyshouldnt it be done via package manager ?15:40
KotCzarnywhats the point otherwise15:40
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sixwheeledbeastwell installing upstart-sysv for a start.15:54
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sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: Well I have installed MATE now and stopped systemd from being PID 1 :)16:41
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KotCzarnyswb: grats16:58
KotCzarnyand isnt it amazing, you removed it and it still boots?16:58
Vajb_is it like removing one's heart and he is still going? :)17:03
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KotCzarnyit is like removing b0rg implant17:03
KotCzarnyand going plain17:03
Vajb_uhoh jumping in the deep end without floaters17:04
KotCzarnyi wonder if what's happening with systemd is cryptosponsored by m$17:04
KotCzarnyor something17:04
Vajb_no idea. Didn't even bother to check if crunchbang has it17:05
KotCzarnykind of nokia case mole 'helping' to move in 'new' direction17:05
Vajb_maybe elop has joined to systemd developers17:06
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KotCzarnyi think elop isnt the only one17:06
Vajbprobably not17:06
sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: not removed, only not init. I was confident that it would be fine, it was designed that way to fallback to.17:08
KotCzarnystill, unremovable parts of the system are kind of scary17:09
KotCzarny(that aren't essential before)17:09
sixwheeledbeast1 root 20 0 init :)17:11
KotCzarnymind you, even glibc has an alternative17:12
sixwheeledbeastpolicykit1 depends on systemd, as I say as long as it's not init I am happy17:14
KotCzarnymine doesn't17:14
zGrrmoin :)17:14
zGrrsystemd is vicious conspiracy to destroy linux17:15
KotCzarnyzgrr, more like, tie it down17:16
KotCzarnynext step, they will integrate it into kernel17:16
KotCzarnyand put kernel into firmware17:16
zGrrthey'll get rid of the kernel and replace it with their own.17:17
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KotCzarnythats another way17:18
KotCzarnystill, taking pc from user is the current direction17:18
zGrrat that time there will be PC no more17:19
KotCzarnyblackboxes everywhere17:19
KotCzarnythats why i dislike arm17:19
zGrropen systems, that are just as open as soviet union.17:19
KotCzarnyeven if its superior in design to x8617:20
zGrrthis is far worse than arm.17:20
zGrrhave you seen recent intel based tablets?17:20
zGrrthey are great17:20
zGrrexcept that you cannot do anything with them.17:20
zGrrno way to put proper linux on it despite hardware being fully supported.17:21
KotCzarnybut yes, blackboxes17:21
KotCzarnyyou can only click17:21
KotCzarnynot tweak17:21
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zGrrI was hoping for chinese CPUs, but they seemd to stalled17:26
Sicelowhy is it not possible zGrr?17:32
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zGrrSicelo:  because of UEFI17:34
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Sicelooh noes :(17:34
Sicelobtw, has someone tried putting in proper linux on the Jolla?17:35
bencohI think you'll have gfx issues17:36
bencohhavent tried though (I dont have one anyway)17:36
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panjgooriits been very very long time that i have visited IRC18:40
KotCzarnyIRC happens18:42
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KotCzarnyRFC 1149.5-compliant18:48
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KotCzarnyremember 12/9920:29
zGrrput proper linux on jolla? not that easy20:30
zGrractually, I meant putting proper linux on Tesco Hudl2 tablet.20:30
KotCzarnynonbrands are even worse20:31
KotCzarnyas fewer people have/hack at them20:31
zGrrTesco Hudl2 is great low-cost tablet that runs on Atom.20:31
KotCzarnyif it has worry-free rescue, hack it20:32
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zGrrthere are some problems with it relating to Hudl's UEFI implementation.20:32
zGrrwe'll see how open jolla's tablet is going to be.20:34
KotCzarnyi would bet on neo900 more20:34
zGrrstill two more months to wait for the jolla tablet.20:34
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zGrrKotCzarny:  it is hard to bet on anything.20:43
KotCzarnyi has n90020:44
KotCzarnyand until it breakes into pieces, im not changing it20:44
zGrrn900 is still my primary mobile phone.20:46
zGrrThe only (sort of) modern handheld, I know of is OQO. Unfortunately it has obscene price.20:47
KotCzarnyand because of oscp n900 got a one level better20:48
KotCzarnyit's really nice to be able to control music from the bed via phone20:48
KotCzarnyno need for laptop, getting up or anything20:49
KotCzarnyi have 10watt 200mhz machine with 160gb harddrive tuckered near stereo system20:49
KotCzarnyquiet, tiny, lowpower20:49
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zGrrLast year i bought low power PC - pentium 500 mmx, 256mb ram, 4gb ssd. *NEW* and still being produced.20:50
KotCzarnythat one is neoware ca520:50
KotCzarny128mb of ram is PLENTY20:51
KotCzarnythat is, if you dont use x20:53
keriois a pentium 500 mmx a pentium 120:53
KotCzarnythere was a pentium without mmx20:54
KotCzarnyi think it maxed at 266 or 30020:54
zGrractually it is what was called cyrix in old days.20:54
KotCzarnymine has sis cpu20:54
KotCzarnyslow as hell20:55
kerioi really doubt that a pentium mmx is low power20:55
zGrrit is still manufactured under a name of AMD Geode LX.20:55
KotCzarnybut plays all music formats without a glitch20:55
zGrrthey have improved litographic process + added crypto coprocessor.20:56
KotCzarnyzgrr, try my oscp on it20:56
KotCzarnyi have a compile for pentium mmx class20:56
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zGrrthe 500mhz cpu is consuming 0.9W20:56
KotCzarnyzgrr, cpu is one thing, i said whole box eats 10W20:57
zGrrit does not require a fan and not even radiator.20:57
KotCzarnypeaks at 1220:57
KotCzarnythis one is mine20:58
zGrrpoisoned apples? :)20:59
KotCzarnyand what would you do with it?20:59
KotCzarnywatch redtube?21:00
zGrrrun pfsense on it.21:00
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KotCzarnykerio, no fans21:00
KotCzarnyfans make noise21:01
KotCzarnysuch machine is unsuitable as a music player21:01
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