IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2015-03-22

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Vajbbencoh: earlier it calibrated just fine, without disabling anything00:57
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KotCzarnymost people who try oscp say it's great, but only 4 actually voted09:26
KotCzarnyone user said 'where is media library' but then when he actually learned how to used said 'it's great'09:26
KotCzarnypity there is no install stats09:28
Siceloyappri is taking all the attention09:38
KotCzarnynot mine09:39
KotCzarnyalso, 12000 views is not 'lack of attention'09:39
Siceloi'd like to bet Yappari has by far more09:39
Sicelohow many votes needed to promote oscp furhter?09:40
KotCzarnyas for 'views' yappari appeared in 201209:41
KotCzarnyoscp appeared just month ago09:41
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Sicelomaybe i should test it out on my 2nd N90009:58
KotCzarnyyou can test it even on pc09:59
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SiceloVajb: yes, you can get calibration without shutting down bme. but bencoh is correct that the best, quickest way is to shutdown bme.10:03
Entertainedcalibration is overrated10:08
Entertaineduse pseudo defined dynamically linked models instead10:09
Entertainedthey allow for a scalable approach to bme supervision control and data acquisitioning10:09
EntertainedKotCzarny, do you concur?10:12
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kerioEntertained: but are they web scale?11:06
Entertainedkerio, no they are cluster oriented cloud optimized dingleflops11:10
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bencoherm, I'm not sure we should feed him ...11:15
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Vajbk disabled two modules now to get proper calibration11:27
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bencohVajb: which ones ?11:45
Vajbbq27x00 and rx51 as suggested by estel in one thread11:59
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Vajbhmm im still getting battery almost empty notifys..13:13
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Vajbcan safely announce that it didn't work13:33
Vajbstill uncalibrated13:33
Vajbgot 3303 when it said recharge and shut down13:34
KotCzarnywhat are you calibrating?13:34
Vajbguess i'll just leave it be13:34
KotCzarnybattery circuit or some software?13:35
Vajbmy battery13:35
KotCzarnygrab external charger?13:35
KotCzarnyhave you tried charging it in stock fremantle n900?13:35
Vajbit loads just fine13:35
Vajbit just want bme replacement to show somewhat correct readings13:36
bencohVajb: what about disabling bme ? :p13:36
Vajbbencoh: isn't that what i did?13:36
bencohunless you did "stop bme", probably not13:36
Vajbbencoh: modprobe -r bq27x00 and rx51 is what i did13:37
Vajbthread didn't say anything about stop bme13:37
Vajbwell will see what happens when i got mugen battery13:38
Vajbtill that i'll say fck it :)13:38
KotCzarnypop it into stock fremantle and cycle 1-2 times13:38
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ceeneKotCzarny Sicelo: people send me mails asking trivial questions about yappari but they still don't vote to promote latest versions, so to be honest... i don't know what's worse13:39
Vajbwould have to install that first...13:39
ceenei'll try oscp this afternoon :)13:39
KotCzarnythat's why i say current 'extras' system is broken13:39
ceenei don't know if it's the system or the people...13:40
KotCzarnypeople are lazy13:40
ceene5 or 6 votes isn't much to ask13:40
KotCzarnyand always were13:40
KotCzarny'testing' is a good idea, but when there are no professional testers13:41
KotCzarnyit's just not working13:41
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ceenewell, that's true: people write me to send them .deb file even when it's linked three times on the first post13:41
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ceeneso... yes, people are lazy13:41
ceenemaybe one or two testers per project could be the ones to vote and promote13:42
ceenei could count with one or two people to thoroughly test new releases13:42
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KotCzarnyceene, i would say that karma system + 'once it hits extras it's up to developer to decide which packages to promote'13:43
ceenethat'd be fine too, probably13:44
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M4rtinKthe Extras promotion system is not exactly user firendly14:00
M4rtinKit is kinda hidden14:00
M4rtinKand needs to be done in a browser14:00
M4rtinKneeds a Maemo account, etc.14:01
KotCzarnym4rtink: you missed the issue14:01
M4rtinKit would be much better if it at least was doable from the application manager14:01
KotCzarnyi put link to vote in my sig14:01
KotCzarnyyet, only 4 people voted14:01
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M4rtinK4 is actually good14:03
KotCzarnynot good enough to promote a package14:03
M4rtinKI usually have to ask people on IRC14:03
KotCzarnyand voting from pkg manager is as good as dropping voting completely, one could simply install 10 scratchboxes14:04
M4rtinKI'm not saying drop the account requirement14:07
M4rtinKbut make it possible to vote from package manager with account14:07
KotCzarnynot going to work, see 'people are lazy'14:07
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M4rtinKwould make it much easier to test & vote14:08
M4rtinKso it would be more likely people would test14:08
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Wizzupis it possible to use the n900 without battery (just an external power supply), does not necessarily have to be over the usb port14:18
KotCzarnyor was it n800, hum14:19
kerioWizzup: well14:23
kerioattach a fake battery to the battery pins14:23
bencoh3.7V power supply14:27
bencohand a resistor for bsi14:27
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sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: it also doesn't help non-free needs 10 votes17:06
KotCzarnyas i said, system was ok when there were assigned testers, now it's just broken17:07
M4rtinKand as already state - it is rather cumbersome17:28
M4rtinKand I think also not very known17:28
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: iirc it was the same for free, but got relaxed17:29
freemangordonI guess we could do it for non-free as well17:29
freemangordonjust pester merlin199117:29
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M4rtinKBTW, in Fedora there is something similar18:06
M4rtinKcalled Bodhi18:06
M4rtinKpackages also need karma18:07
M4rtinKbut are automatically promoted after a while even if they don't get any18:07
KotCzarnyfedora has much bigger user base18:07
M4rtinKit also helps that there is a unified Fedora Account System18:08
M4rtinKand all contributors thus have a FAS account they can use to test and give karma18:08
M4rtinKbut even then there are issues18:08
M4rtinKI'm maintaining a tool tat runs on first startup and it is rather tricky to test on a normal system18:09
M4rtinKso I quite often need to ask "proven packagers" that can override the karma requirements to promote it to stable manually18:09
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KotCzarnywow, 5th vote18:34
ceenethat's mine :)18:35
ceenei've played a bit with oscp both on n900 and on the computer18:35
ceeneand i quite like it18:35
ceeneand seems to work okay18:35
KotCzarnyyou are 'agamez' ?18:35
ceeneyes i am18:35
KotCzarnyweird tmo shows you as ceene when viewing users18:36
KotCzarnythanks anyway :)18:36
ceeneyes... on i'm agamez18:36
ceenebut on the forum i registered as ceene18:36
KotCzarnyalso, if you find any bugs, missing features or just want to say it's great post to tmo18:36
KotCzarnyor write here18:37
ceenei have a question, though18:37
ceenethat maybe has been answered already18:37
ceenebut i don't know what the three buttons on the right side bottom mean18:37
ceeneon oscp-remote18:37
KotCzarnywhich ones?18:37
KotCzarnyhave you read the help that popup on the first run?18:37
ceenemaybe not :P18:38
KotCzarnysee the help18:38
KotCzarnyseriously, it's a must to describe what oscp is, what it can do18:38
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ceenei still don't know what vids stands for18:38
KotCzarnysee the help18:38
KotCzarnyit's not that long, just please read it18:38
ceeneok, sorry :)18:38
ceenepeople are lazy, remember!18:38
KotCzarnyi know, i'm lazy too18:39
KotCzarnythat's why i wrote that help popup18:39
ceenevery nice18:40
KotCzarnyit's mainly an audio player18:41
KotCzarnyvids are here just because it was easy to add18:41
KotCzarnyand actually can extend oscp functionality18:41
KotCzarny(ie. you can control pc core playing on tv from n900)18:41
KotCzarnyor vice versa18:41
ceenei like that very much18:42
ceenei have a little x86 machine connected to my tv18:42
ceeneand was thinking of connecting it directly to the amps18:42
ceenexbmc is too much for my poor little machine18:42
ceeneso oscp is now a real candidate :)18:43
KotCzarnyi have 200mhz vortex86 machine as my audio player ;)18:43
KotCzarnyi think 32mb of ram is enough to run bare bones linux and oscp18:43
ceeneone thing I don't like quite much is the use of the volume buttons18:43
KotCzarnyon n900?18:44
ceenei keep pushing them to lower the volumne and the song skips18:44
KotCzarnyi did it on purpose18:44
KotCzarnybut it's very easy for you to 'fix'18:44
KotCzarnyas the remote is pygtk18:44
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KotCzarnylook for: n900: hw18:48
KotCzarnyand change to self.volI(None,None)18:49
ceenecool, thanks!18:49
KotCzarnysame for the other one too18:50
KotCzarnyie. self.prev to self.volD18:50
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ceenetesting right now18:51
ceenemuch better now, thanks!18:52
RicoSuavewill that run on maemo18:52
KotCzarnyi might add an option for it18:52
KotCzarnyie. to select vol keys function18:52
ceenei still find however lowest volume to be too loud18:53
KotCzarnyit jumps 3 notches18:53
KotCzarnybut system menu is just above18:53
KotCzarnyand on n900 oscp actually does soft vol18:53
KotCzarnyso changing volume in oscp doesn't change system vol in any way18:54
ceenei see18:54
KotCzarnypulseaudio should die in a fire18:54
ceenei can get out of oscp-remote and modify phone volume with the buttons18:54
ceeneyep, and we shall dance around it18:55
KotCzarnyif you don't do fullscreen then system tray (with volume) is just at the top18:55
ceeneuh, i always forget about the volume slider there18:56
ceenei most usually use the buttons18:56
KotCzarnyif you don't want oscp to touch hw vol buttons you can disable it18:56
ceenei'm not quite sure of what i want, to be honest18:57
KotCzarnyat the very end of the file is: self.sbus.add_signal_receiver(self.handle_hsb...18:57
KotCzarnyjust comment that line18:57
ceenewinamps skins work on n900?18:58
KotCzarnyon n900 no, but on oscp-remote, yes18:59
KotCzarnygrab the pack from here18:59
KotCzarnypressing clutterbar loads random skin from predefined list19:00
ceene1.1gb of skins :O19:00
KotCzarnyyou can repack it on pc19:00
KotCzarnyyou can remove .wal ones19:01
KotCzarnyand it will go down to 500megs19:01
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ceeneoh, the ncurses interface is pretty19:04
KotCzarnyand it's pretty convenient to use with one hand ;)19:04
ceeneis it normal for pulseaudio to take so much cpu?19:06
KotCzarnypulseaudio should die in a fire19:06
KotCzarnyespecially the one implemented on n90019:07
KotCzarnyon pc when i pause, it doesn't generate any interrupts, just waits for data19:07
KotCzarnyon n900 pause state doesn't stop pulseaudio madness..19:07
ceenei always purge it out of my debian systems19:08
ceenei still don't know what purpose it serves, usually my audio works better when it's not running at all19:08
KotCzarnyit's evil19:09
bencohceene: audio policy routing with multiple inputs/outputs19:09
ceenei guess we can't do the same on n90019:09
KotCzarnywell, you could, but using alsa directly on n900 can damage the internal speakers19:09
KotCzarnybut if you use headphones or connect it to hifi, you dont have to worry19:10
ceenethat doesn't sound very good either19:10
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KotCzarnyceene, if you want to play internet streams just put links into .m3u file19:17
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KotCzarnyhere is a pack stolen from screamerradio19:24
KotCzarnysome work, some dont19:26
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KotCzarnyhrm, 4gb zip file fails to open with zziplib on x8621:42
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