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bencohKotCzarny: cssu has a more-or-less up-to-date cert bundle00:16
bencohand we have bundle updates00:16
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totalizatorwee, I have built weechat-1.1.1 for N900 with perl, python plugins working01:33
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Sc0rpiusbut who uses that02:57
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KotCzarnybencoh: can we get updated certs for stock fremantle?08:10
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kerioi really don't know why they decided to not go for the usual debian ca-certificates setup08:19
KotCzarnybecause.. reasons!08:20
PissnOffToolsEvrKotCzarny, because... whalepie!08:23
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KotCzarnykerio, why not just add them from debian? package should be arch independent08:26
KotCzarnyand software as openssl/gnutls could use it08:27
PissnOffToolsEvrKotCzarny, but that would lead to no whale pie08:27
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zGrrmoin :)08:42
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newbieAlerthey how can we get list of free LBA ??11:35
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KotCzarnywhat's lba?11:38
bencohyou ... cant, I guess11:39
bencohask your fs (?)11:39
newbieAlertbencoh: its ext411:44
newbieAlertKotCzarny: its Logical Block Address11:44
KotCzarnynewbiealert: then use debug2fs to print them11:47
KotCzarnyfor ext2/3/411:47
KotCzarnyfor fat i dont know11:47
KotCzarnydebugfs i mean11:48
newbieAlertbencoh: Actually m trying to put all teh frequently used files, sequentially according to LBA .. copying files to a new location will get them a sequential LBAs ( idk but its still not *exactly* sequential, some of the LBAs are reserved kindof, maybe for file inmcrement ).11:48
KotCzarnynewbiealert.. don't11:48
bencohnewbieAlert: to avoid defrag, maybe11:49
KotCzarnyit could have some meaning for regular hdd, for flash, dont mess with it11:49
newbieAlertKotCzarny: yeah thtas the reason.11:49
newbieAlertKotCzarny: I am not overwriting the LBAs. Copying a file to a new location is a safe procedure i guess. For i change i wanted to copy a file to a specific LBA and for taht i needed free LBAs.11:50
newbieAlertbencoh: yeah.. thats to avoid defrag.11:51
bencohwhy are you doing this ?11:51
KotCzarnybecause of weird idea he has11:51
KotCzarnythat defragging flash would result in noticeable gains11:52
newbieAlertKotCzarny: I dont have flash. Using Hdd. Sequential LBA should be read faster than distributed ones.11:52
KotCzarnyahm, so it's not n900 related?11:53
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Nope. Just a doubt.. I ofn think flash is affected by frag that much . Is it ??11:53
KotCzarnybut remember that when os loads it reads more than one file at a time11:53
KotCzarnyflash is mostly affected during writes11:54
KotCzarnybut for reads it doesnt matter much11:54
KotCzarnybut if it's a pc, just run some livecd, copy files somewhere safe, format, copy them back11:55
newbieAlertKotCzarny: It reads more blocks near the current one. Its not necessary that the read block is desired by the user. So if the most frequently used files are near each other, there is more probablility of rading righ tfiles.11:55
KotCzarnyit would create nicely defragmented files11:55
newbieAlertKotCzarny: SO defragging a flash will help improving performance ?11:56
KotCzarnyat least till the next apt-get update/upgrade11:56
KotCzarnynewbiealert: not really11:56
bencoh10:56 < KotCzarny> at least till the next apt-get update/upgrade11:56
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bencohyour neat-and-tidy situation probably wont last long on a daily-used system11:57
KotCzarnyunless your /home is on separate partition11:57
KotCzarnyand /var /tmp11:57
bencohthen the problem would be your /home :)11:57
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KotCzarnystill, i haven't defragged my hdd even once11:58
newbieAlertbencoh: Yeah i know. :/11:58
bencohanyway, if you're talking about a recent/decent laptop/desktop, most of your open files/libraries are in cache11:58
KotCzarnythough i have changed drives few times, but then again, updates usually mess it again11:58
bencohKotCzarny: same here ... on *nix at least11:58
newbieAlertKotCzarny: yep /home is on seperate partition and the files used are usuall config files.11:58
KotCzarnybut as i said,don't bother ext3/4 has internal defrag algos11:59
KotCzarnyie. has separate zones for small/big files11:59
newbieAlertbencoh: yes. They are cache dafter being read.11:59
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Got it :)11:59
KotCzarnyIf fragmentation does occur, the file system will attempt to move the files around to reduce fragmentation in normal use, without the need for a defragmentation utility12:00
KotCzarnyso just keep at least 10-20% of your fs free12:01
KotCzarnyand don't worry12:01
newbieAlertKotCzarny: until disk is nearly full :P12:01
newbieAlertKotCzarny: thanks ..12:01
newbieAlertbencoh: Thanks.12:01
newbieAlertKotCzarny: btw, i saw your post in tmo. How come your N900 lasts for 6-7 days ??12:02
newbieAlertmine one dies in 24 hrs. :/12:02
KotCzarnyi barely use it12:02
KotCzarnymostly for calls (rare anyway)12:02
newbieAlertKotCzarny: oh.. :D You had me scared.12:03
newbieAlertKotCzarny: bencoh : hey sorry for bothering too much, last for the time being, there was this thread for changing hildon to blackbox. Anyone managed to do it correctly after that ?? Thread died years ago.12:04
KotCzarnyi haven't tried12:05
bencohlooking at the thread, I doubt it would feel better12:08
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honestlyWHO DARES SUMMON ME12:09
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newbieAlertbencoh: yeah .. i was just wondering. Whenever the phone is in use, hildon-desktop takes 3-4% of CPU normally and much more sometimes.12:10
KotCzarnynewbiealert: do you have any widgets or changing icons?12:10
bencohKotCzarny: those should show as hildon-home12:11
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bencohnewbieAlert: it doesnt show that much here12:11
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Not amything that changes . just a QBW to have for changing swap, one to view pictures from YAppari in feh and a phone shortcut.12:11
bencohnewbieAlert: apart from when I swich window12:12
bencohbut with transitions ... what would you expect ? :)12:12
andrilany n9 users here?12:12
newbieAlertbencoh: Switch between apps and top , hildon-desktop should hit 3-4%12:13
newbieAlertbencoh: YEah.Opened menu (catorise) and subemnu and switched to top.. H-d 11% :/12:14
KotCzarnydisable eyecandies12:15
KotCzarnythen try again12:15
bencohthere is a "fast" transitions.ini around in tmo12:15
bencoh(actually there are lots of them ... just double check the syntax, and backup yours)12:16
newbieAlertbencoh: thats what is use.12:16
newbieAlertbencoh: CSSU tuner && themecustomizer provide the option.12:16
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newbieAlertbencoh: ANd my fapman is not updating catalogues. log : Conflicting distribution repo...fremantle-1.3 && few GPG erroe &&  failed to fetch extras-devel Hash Sum mismatch.12:20
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KotCzarnyanother (un)happy user of -devel?12:21
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newbieAlertKotCzarny: Idk it was working fine till 2 days before.12:22
KotCzarnywhat are your repos?12:22
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Fapman : extras, extars-devel fremantle ssu mr00 freamtle ssu apps cssu community-thunm cssu devel community-testing12:24
newbieAlertand /etc/apt/sources.list is empty.12:25
KotCzarnypastebin output of apt-get update12:25
newbieAlertKotCzarny: I didn change default repos of fapman. except bloakced OVI.12:25
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Let me install it.12:26
KotCzarnyinstall what?12:26
KotCzarnyssh onto device, then just copypaste with your mouse?12:27
infobotfrom memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam12:28
infobotspeedyham is probably 30 times faster than HAM
bencohI tought as much12:29
bencohnewbieAlert: dunno the answer to your question, but ... :p12:29
newbieAlertbencoh: I didnot upgrade anything from fapman. it was fine like 2 days ago. I needed abiword, then found fapman not working. used apt.12:29
bencohanyway, I'd just not use fapman :)12:30
newbieAlertbencoh: thanks for help :P didn know about speedyham.12:30
bencohI thought it was in cssu-testing though, now12:30
KotCzarnybencoh: autoremove is evil12:31
KotCzarnyespecially if you add/remove repos12:31
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bencohKotCzarny: precisely12:31
KotCzarnywhen i was playing with debian testing it got confused and tried to remove core packages12:31
bencohhm, right, speedyHAM is in cssu-testing (T10)12:31
bencohandril: did you try #harmattan ?12:32
KotCzarnybtw. solar eclipse tomorrow in north-west eu12:32
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newbieAlert_onflicting distribution: fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )12:34
newbieAlert_Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 134924954612:34
newbieAlert_sorry, dont have ssh installed too :P and pastebin didn work.12:34
KotCzarnyno ssh? fix that12:34
KotCzarnyit's ESSENTIAL12:34
newbieAlert_Failed to fetch  Hash Sum mismatch12:35
KotCzarnymaybe it was failed download12:35
newbieAlertKotCzarny AYe AYe sir :)12:35
newbieAlert_rr ./ Release12:36
newbieAlert_thats err.12:36
KotCzarnychange fremantle-1.3 to fremantle then apt-get update12:36
KotCzarnyfor starters12:36
newbieAlertKotCzarny: for devel only ??12:37
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Its in process...12:37
KotCzarnyif i remember correctly one without number is the current one12:37
andrilyes thanks bencoh12:37
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Maybe.. but this setup worked till 2 days ago :/12:37
KotCzarnyif you change it will reget it12:38
KotCzarnymaybe error will go away12:38
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Changed in Fapman & its stuck12:41
KotCzarnyalso, might be obvious, but check free space12:41
newbieAlertKotCzarny: If it was not freamntle-1.3 , then sould not it give unable to fethc :L host unreachable than hash sum mismatch.12:42
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Root has 61 mb.12:42
KotCzarnyand /opt ?12:42
newbieAlertKotCzarny: And thank you :P it worked :D :D12:42
newbieAlertKotCzarny: /opt is abpout 6 gb .12:43
KotCzarnyas i said, maybe it was failed download12:43
newbieAlertKotCzarny: Thnaks ... :) Done bothering you for the day.. Thank you :) :)12:43
newbieAlertbencoh: Thank you :) :)12:43
newbieAlertbye :)12:43
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KotCzarnyanother happy hacker12:45
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bencohamazing, speedyHAM actually works (when regular HAM doesnt)12:56
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infobotmethinks speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM
sixwheeledbeastspeedyHAM does rock14:52
KotCzarnyapt-* ftw!14:53
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IcebergCoolzcan you run freertos on the n90015:04
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bencohinfobot: uboot has been ported to beagleboard/omap3, so ... maybe15:17
bencoherm, s/uboot/freertos/15:17
bencoh(messed brainĂ 15:17
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Lord_Fark_IImaemo is gaymo17:05
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Lord_Fark_IIgameo weebo meego mer neemo wiiu17:36
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Lord_Fark_IIits orca speak; ask KotCzarny17:37
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APicCelebrate Mojoday!18:16
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Lord_Fark_IIwhale pie and the infinite monkey18:33
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bencohnow I can see why he got banned on sailfish chans :/19:30
KotCzarnytroll is trolling19:30
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KotCzarnyanyone here wrote audio eq ?20:50
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KotCzarnywoo, it wooorks, muahahahaha22:02
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