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| bencoh | Kamping_Kaiser: if you have some issue please do tell us about it (here and/on or talk.maemo.org) if you're not sure where to report it :) | 01:37 |
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| kong | re, battery full and led is green :) | 01:41 |
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| useretail | hey there. how to view current sip login info located at /home/user/.signon/user_db.xml ? | 04:23 |
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| Luke-Jr | FWIW, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0SC-001P-001D7 seems to be N900-compatible, although makes an annoying high-pitch noise. | 07:34 |
| Luke-Jr | posted a review on NewEgg (hasn't shown up yet) if more details are desired | 07:34 |
| robbiethe1st | I've used one of these, myself: http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-1A-Mobile-Power-Supply-USB-Battery-Charger-18650-Box-for-Cell-Phone-MP3-MP4-/301529810728?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463493c728 it charged my N950 with no problems, though I haven't tried my N900... IIRC, though, all you need is shorted D+ and D- for a full-current charge, right? | 07:53 |
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| Luke-Jr | robbiethe1st: I think so. Many USB chargers don't have that. | 07:57 |
| robbiethe1st | One little blob of solder is all it takes... or a sharp knife and spare USB cable | 07:58 |
| Luke-Jr | ☺ | 07:58 |
| Luke-Jr | my N900's internal battery lasts like 5-15 min now :< | 07:58 |
| Luke-Jr | hope the Pyra makes a good replacement soon | 07:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Just get a replacement cheapy? | 08:01 |
| robbiethe1st | They tend to work decently, depending | 08:02 |
| Luke-Jr | yeah, just hate to buy a new battery if I'm going to drop the N900 soon anyway | 08:03 |
| Luke-Jr | hence the external battery pack | 08:03 |
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| KotCzarny | original nokia batteries are worth their price | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | cheapo chinese ones are good only when you want to sell the device claiming 'new battery onboard' | 08:09 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: yeah, the hard part would be identifying the originals :P | 08:09 |
| robbiethe1st | By now, I'm not sure about the original nokia batteries; they're years old by now | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | luke: price? ;) | 08:10 |
| robbiethe1st | Unless they've been in the freezer for a few years... | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | well, good point | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | still, anything less than 10eur isnt gonna last long | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | you might want mugen cover or similar and dual battery (or double capacity one) | 08:11 |
| Luke-Jr | wait, Nokia doesn't use the same batteries in new phones? :/ | 08:13 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't know. it depends on the size | 08:13 |
| robbiethe1st | N950 had a different battery than N900(wider, but a N900 one would fit with a little plastic trimming), and I'm not sure what new dumbphones nokia is selling | 08:14 |
| KotCzarny | nokia 520 uses bl-5j | 08:14 |
| KotCzarny | for example | 08:14 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_BL-5J_battery | 08:15 |
| KotCzarny | and nokia asha 200/201/302 | 08:16 |
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| KotCzarny | but as i said, if you dont mind bulky device and want extended capacity, grab extended cover and extended battery | 08:16 |
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| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46987 | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:18 |
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| KotCzarny | as for charger argument tho, my battery stil has ~1329mAh even after continuous use for 6 years by now | 08:24 |
| Luke-Jr | eh, mine reports 1221mAh at full | 08:37 |
| Luke-Jr | but once it gets to like 900, it just dis | 08:37 |
| Luke-Jr | des | 08:37 |
| Luke-Jr | dies* | 08:37 |
| Luke-Jr | (and gets there pretty quick) | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | luke: is it original one? | 08:53 |
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| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: I presume so, I got it in an unused N900 I bought off some guy on craigslist | 09:03 |
| Luke-Jr | my original original inflated like a balloon | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | might have physical damage inside | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | i suggest replacing because it has higher danger of fatal failure | 09:04 |
| Luke-Jr | fatal to what? | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techlicious.com/blog/the-risk-of-exploding-lithium-ion-batteries/ | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery2.htm | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | here is more detailed process why do they explode | 09:08 |
| Luke-Jr | firefox sucks too much, can you summarise? :x | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | the battery inside has insulator | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | when crystals grow or there happens physical damage to it, it can cause short | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | short means high discharge => high temperature => when it gets ignited, BOOM | 09:09 |
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| Luke-Jr | so where's a reliable source for a cheap battery that won't explode? :p | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | well, fatal failures are rare | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | but you've said your battery is inflated already | 09:18 |
| Luke-Jr | I'd prefer not to get hospitalised even if I live | 09:18 |
| Luke-Jr | that's my old battery | 09:18 |
| Luke-Jr | not the current one | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | then it's ok | 09:18 |
| Luke-Jr | ok | 09:18 |
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| bencoh | Luke-Jr: I bought a polarcell from amazon (Europe) | 11:19 |
| bencoh | (a few weeks ago) | 11:20 |
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| kerio | orange chinese battery > polarcell | 11:20 |
| bencoh | really ? | 11:21 |
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| KotCzarny | great | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | zziplib fails when i close(0,1,2) ehehe | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | maybe i should just open /dev/null as a dummy fd-0 and keep it that way | 11:29 |
| bencoh | read nohup | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | nah, i'll just take fd-0 out of the available pool | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | i dont want to rely on some external util | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | if i can code workaround | 11:31 |
| kerio | yeah i think you can't expect to close stdio and have everything working | 11:31 |
| kerio | open /dev/null on all three i guess | 11:31 |
| kerio | EOF when reading stdin is to be expected, and output will always work | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: i could, but there are code which checks for fd being >0 instead of >= | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: im not using stdin when my app is daemonized | 11:32 |
| kerio | yeah but | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | and it works, but some libs aren't bug free apparently | 11:32 |
| kerio | EOF is better than reading some other file | 11:32 |
| kerio | :) | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | and no, zziplib doesn't need stdin in my use case | 11:33 |
| kerio | and yet | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | i think you arent' understanding situation | 11:33 |
| kerio | oic, it refuses to work because it thinks some other file is stdin | 11:34 |
| kerio | or doesn't work properly i guess | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | no, it fails because it has internal check for fd being >0, but when stdin is unneeded and closed, lib can assing fd-0 to anything (socket, file) | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | only fd<0 guarantees that open failed | 11:35 |
| kerio | yeah yeah i understood that | 11:35 |
| kerio | meh, i'd still keep some dummy file descriptors on 0, 1 and 2 | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | that's what im going to do | 11:36 |
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| erlehmann | naba kumar is alive | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | and kicking? | 11:46 |
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| KotCzarny | the heck | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | it's something else | 11:54 |
| erlehmann | what | 11:54 |
| erlehmann | naba kumar wrote: | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | just wtfing the bug i stumbled upon in code | 11:55 |
| erlehmann | It's been long since I left Nokia. It's likely the code won't be open | 11:55 |
| erlehmann | sourced (and I don't have access now). The logging may still be happening | 11:55 |
| erlehmann | and could be accessed, for which I believe you could look at (IIRC) | 11:55 |
| erlehmann | telepathy logging library. Hope it helps. | 11:55 |
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| Sicelo | logging what? | 12:15 |
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| KotCzarny | hrm, it's definitely about closing fd-0 | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | but fake-file-with-fd0 doesnt work as expected | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | lol. i had to use /dev/zero instead of /dev/null | 12:27 |
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| KotCzarny | ugly. | 12:30 |
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| KotCzarny | um-kay. uploaded new builds of oscp and remote | 12:51 |
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| kerio | KotCzarny: wait, what | 13:15 |
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| kerio | that *has* side effects | 13:16 |
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| KotCzarny | kerio: hmm? | 13:28 |
| kerio | /dev/zero returns zeroes | 13:28 |
| kerio | it might not be what you want | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | tested already and does what i need | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | no side effects in my codebase | 13:29 |
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| KotCzarny | hrm. now oss mixer stopped working on n800 | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 13:57 |
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| KotCzarny | frigginfragginmaemo4ossmixerignoringpropertag | 15:09 |
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| KotCzarny | anyone knows how can i bind hardware keys on n900? | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | in pygtk/python preferably | 16:47 |
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| stryngs | KotCzarny: bind keys? | 16:53 |
| stryngs | like keyboard remapping? | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | well, use | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | right now they trigger volume up/down | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | how can i bind them to the active pygtk window | 16:53 |
| kerio | bind on F6/F7 | 16:53 |
| kerio | i think | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: pygtk doesnt show anything | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | i have a catch-all routine | 16:54 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: one moment | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | on n800 they send f6/f7 as you suggest (i think) | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | but on n900 they don't reach the program | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | i've found one solution for c | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | but none pythonishish | 16:55 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: I'm not usre if this is what u are looking for but try: http://ethicalreporting.org/pwn/repo/pool/main/p/pwnphone-keyboard/pwnphone-keyboard_1.0.2_armel.deb | 16:55 |
| stryngs | Don't dpkg -i it | 16:55 |
| stryngs | but dpkg -x it | 16:55 |
| stryngs | and check out what it does | 16:55 |
| stryngs | perhaps it will help | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | it remaps keys | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | system wide | 16:56 |
| stryngs | yes | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt-maemo-4.7/maemo5-zoom.html | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | it's c-way | 16:58 |
| stryngs | Oh | 16:58 |
| stryngs | keybinding for guis | 16:58 |
| stryngs | gotcha | 16:58 |
| stryngs | well, perhaps the .deb can help somehow =) | 16:58 |
| stryngs | checkitout =) | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | nah, its about sending x11/hildon a message | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | that i need those keys | 16:59 |
| kerio | that's qt tho, isn't it | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: it's c | 16:59 |
| kerio | yes but | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | see grabZoomKeys() | 16:59 |
| kerio | it's qt | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | rest doesnt matter | 16:59 |
| kerio | oh it's just x11 stuff | 16:59 |
| kerio | ok | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | i just need to find a way to do it without needing external binaries | 17:00 |
| kerio | well, i mean | 17:02 |
| kerio | if you *really* must, you can use ctypes | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | in python? | 17:03 |
| kerio | yes | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58503 | 17:03 |
| kerio | but that's pretty much the same as an external binary, really | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | hah. gonna try this one | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | it will suck a bit because of dependency on import hildon; but. | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | i have two oscp binaries for n900, i might as well add oscp-remote-n900 | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | wonder what happened to qwerty12 | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | it's.. working | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 17:11 |
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| KotCzarny | it's wooooorking.. muahahahahha | 17:14 |
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| Pali | yes, you need to use _HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM Xlib atom | 17:22 |
| Pali | this is way how to grab zoom keys | 17:22 |
| stryngs | Pali, is there any reason not to use the kernel for 3.10.0? | 17:22 |
| Pali | yes, upstream kernel does not have needed HW support | 17:23 |
| stryngs | https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900/ | 17:23 |
| stryngs | Ah | 17:23 |
| stryngs | So the defconfig is missing stuff =( | 17:23 |
| Pali | see http://elinux.org/N900 | 17:23 |
| stryngs | specifically BPF | 17:23 |
| Pali | linux-n900 is that our git repo for mainlining... | 17:23 |
| stryngs | CONFIG_HAVE_BPF_JIT=y | 17:23 |
| stryngs | and... | 17:24 |
| stryngs | CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_BPF | 17:24 |
| joga | hmm... I don't have the issue on my n900, but my gf's one (running cssu) for some reason can't connect to internet if "GSM" is selected, but "3G" works. might this be related to some internet setting on it, the sim card, or provider? we have the same provider (but I have a more beefy data plan) | 17:24 |
| stryngs | those are the two needed I believe | 17:24 |
| Pali | stryngs: looks like this was added to linux kernel 3.9 | 17:25 |
| stryngs | Right, so what can I do to aid the process? | 17:25 |
| stryngs | If anything... =/ | 17:25 |
| Pali | you cannot use it on maemo | 17:25 |
| stryngs | damn | 17:25 |
| Pali | thats all | 17:25 |
| stryngs | So it's official. Scapy i truly broken for the n900 | 17:25 |
| stryngs | Well, that clears that up =) | 17:25 |
| Pali | you can use u32 netfilter module | 17:26 |
| stryngs | Will we be able to use it ever? | 17:26 |
| stryngs | u32 netfilter.. hmm | 17:26 |
| stryngs | with scapy? | 17:26 |
| stryngs | or in general for filtering bpf style | 17:26 |
| Pali | that can match any packet and with mark module you can see it via netfilter in userspace | 17:26 |
| Pali | it is alternative solution for bpf | 17:26 |
| stryngs | Interesting | 17:26 |
| stryngs | I will notate that and continue on =) Thank you very much for the help Pali | 17:27 |
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| stryngs | At least now I can stop recompiling python thinking perhaps it's python that is the issue | 17:27 |
| Pali | you need to understand how linux iptables and netfilter is working | 17:27 |
| Pali | and then you should be able to do anything what you want | 17:27 |
| stryngs | Well, this is more of a monitor mode packet injection thing than anything | 17:27 |
| stryngs | hence, iptables won't help | 17:27 |
| stryngs | I want to bring airpwn to the n900 | 17:28 |
| stryngs | But, for MITM stuff, I will remember that. u32 netfilter | 17:28 |
| Pali | I think you should be able to use netfilter also on lower level | 17:28 |
| Pali | I know that with u32 module I was able to match basically any ipv4 packet (just need to specify correct format for u32) | 17:29 |
| stryngs | So you were able to (pseudocode here..): | 17:29 |
| stryngs | grep for any packet that is issuing a GET / request and sniff the seq and ack and len? | 17:30 |
| Pali | uffff, matching TCP data is not simple with u32 | 17:30 |
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| stryngs | Ah, see that' | 17:30 |
| stryngs | s what i'm trying to do =) | 17:30 |
| Pali | but I think it could be possible | 17:31 |
| stryngs | I'll prolly have to go with the kernel thing, i forget what it's called | 17:31 |
| stryngs | listens for an action and then acts on it | 17:31 |
| Pali | kerio: what do ou think? | 17:31 |
| stryngs | make it a tcp trigger | 17:31 |
| stryngs | when it detects x in tcpdump it does y | 17:31 |
| Pali | man iptables: "U32 tests whether quantities of up to 4 bytes extracted from a packet have specified values. The specification of what to extract is general enough to find data at given offsets from tcp headers or payloads." | 17:32 |
| kerio | Pali: looks neat | 17:32 |
| stryngs | bam, there it is | 17:32 |
| Pali | kerio: it is possible to extract GET request from packet via iptables/u32? | 17:33 |
| kerio | ...oh god | 17:33 |
| Pali | I think it should be, but I have never done it | 17:33 |
| kerio | isn't GET like one of the latest packets in a http request? | 17:33 |
| kerio | also, i think U32 wants exact offsets | 17:33 |
| Pali | I think you can use indirect offset too... | 17:35 |
| kerio | what's the plan? | 17:35 |
| kerio | mark a certain http request to analyze it with userland tools? | 17:35 |
| Pali | to use iptables/u32/netfilter instead bpf (because it is not supported in prior 3.9 kernel) | 17:35 |
| Pali | stryngs: what exacly you want to do? | 17:36 |
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| kerio | oh, the fucking script kid | 17:37 |
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| KotCzarny | stryngs: if you only need mangling http traffic, why not use transparent proxy ? | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | with iptables redirect | 18:46 |
| stryngs_ | KotCzarny: Monitor Mode | 19:04 |
| stryngs_ | KotCzarny: I'm not doing MITM | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:04 |
| stryngs_ | I'm leveraging this against my ebay vulnerability | 19:04 |
| stryngs_ | Developing a new tool | 19:04 |
| stryngs_ | Going to force the industry to change | 19:04 |
| stryngs_ | And I'm going to do it with the n900 as a PoC | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | but in monitor mode you are only receiving | 19:05 |
| stryngs_ | When I can take my phone into a building, bang a command out and steal whatever I want cookie wise, it's game on for the industry | 19:05 |
| stryngs_ | Well, monitor mode allows for packet injection KotCzarny on the n900 | 19:05 |
| KotCzarny | so, you are only stealing cookies from lans | 19:06 |
| stryngs_ | No | 19:06 |
| stryngs_ | I'm going to hijack any cookie i want | 19:06 |
| stryngs_ | So long as you're on open wifi or wifi with a password I know | 19:06 |
| stryngs_ | I will own you | 19:06 |
| stryngs_ | Because the industry SUCKS at securing their damn cookies | 19:06 |
| stryngs_ | I intend to change it | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | if you are on the wifi you can connect, its lan | 19:07 |
| stryngs_ | google: ebay session hijack to see what i mean | 19:07 |
| stryngs_ | Dude, I dont need to be on the wifi | 19:07 |
| stryngs_ | MONITOR MODE | 19:07 |
| stryngs_ | MONITOR MODE | 19:07 |
| stryngs_ | MONITOR MODE | 19:07 |
| stryngs_ | I need to be within 44 mHz of your channel | 19:07 |
| stryngs_ | That's it | 19:07 |
| bencoh | 18:06 < stryngs_> So long as you're on open wifi or wifi with a password I know | 19:07 |
| bencoh | 18:06 < stryngs_> I will own you | 19:07 |
| bencoh | hmm | 19:07 |
| stryngs_ | KotCzarny: See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXdHT6TpeFk | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | if network is encrypted (wpa) you are not going to steal cookies | 19:08 |
| stryngs_ | I go indepth as to why the industry needs to change | 19:08 |
| bencoh | it's easy on an open wifi | 19:08 |
| bencoh | but on a "secured" wifi you need to sniff the handshake/auth between the base and the client | 19:08 |
| stryngs_ | No its not easy bencoh | 19:08 |
| stryngs_ | Not what i'm doing | 19:09 |
| stryngs_ | I wish it were =) | 19:09 |
| bencoh | what do you mean by "open wifi" then ? | 19:09 |
| stryngs_ | And KotCzarny what I speak of is OPEN wifi, aka, starbucks | 19:09 |
| stryngs_ | 802.11 with no encryption | 19:09 |
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| bencoh | what's the issue then ? | 19:09 |
| stryngs_ | All I need to do is inject a simple iframe and it's game over on a GET request | 19:09 |
| stryngs_ | watch my video bencoh | 19:10 |
| stryngs_ | You'll see | 19:10 |
| stryngs_ | =) | 19:10 |
| stryngs_ | And yes, this tool will be available on the n900 | 19:10 |
| bencoh | aww, I hate watching videos on that kind of stuff :) | 19:10 |
| stryngs_ | hehe | 19:10 |
| stryngs_ | skip to 23:23 then | 19:10 |
| bencoh | :) | 19:10 |
| stryngs_ | ngrep is a ninja tool bud =) | 19:10 |
| stryngs_ | ngrep with some mon0 action = pwnage | 19:10 |
| stryngs_ | throw in a lil iframage and they're done | 19:11 |
| bencoh | did you check dsniff ? :) | 19:11 |
| stryngs_ | dsniff is for managed mode or eth0 | 19:11 |
| bencoh | that's a really old one but not too far from what you're doing | 19:11 |
| stryngs_ | very far off actually =) | 19:11 |
| stryngs_ | I'm not MITM at all | 19:11 |
| stryngs_ | I'm simply injecting an iframe | 19:11 |
| bencoh | dsniff doesnt do any MITM | 19:11 |
| stryngs_ | right, but it doesnt inject only sniffs | 19:12 |
| bencoh | yup | 19:12 |
| stryngs_ | ngrep > dsniff | 19:12 |
| stryngs_ | and ferret is perfect | 19:12 |
| stryngs_ | ferret parses the cookie for me | 19:12 |
| stryngs_ | Dug Song is a wonderful coder though, don't get me wrong! | 19:12 |
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| stryngs_ | My main thing is all my tools revolve arounbd the n900 =) | 19:13 |
| stryngs_ | Why? It's portable and concealable more than a laptop or tablet with a dongle | 19:14 |
| stryngs_ | People assume i'm texting on it | 19:14 |
| stryngs_ | At a pentest with a tablet and dongles, they assume the worst | 19:14 |
| stryngs_ | Hence why the Original PwnPhone from pwnieexpress rocks and rolls =) | 19:14 |
| stryngs_ | viva la n900 | 19:14 |
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| KotCzarny | but how do you inject when you are on monitor mode | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | also, open network in starbuck == lan | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | and people using private stuff there are just.. stupid | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | it's not about changing industry, if someone is stupid enough to use public networks for anything more than checking info, nothing is going to help them | 19:23 |
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| stryngs_ | Heh | 19:28 |
| stryngs_ | KotCzarny is way off base, | 19:29 |
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| stryngs_ | KotCzarny: I'm glad you came back | 19:29 |
| stryngs_ | Time for some school. | 19:29 |
| stryngs_ | KotCzarny: Do you logoff EVERY website every time> | 19:29 |
| stryngs_ | ? | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | if you give them false sense of security, someone will find the next bug | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | stryngs: sometimes, but i dont treat network as secure | 19:29 |
| stryngs_ | Ok thats fine, so if its https your happy right? | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | i know https can be cracked | 19:30 |
| stryngs_ | Ok, I'm gunna break u dude. Let's say yer on your own damn network | 19:30 |
| stryngs_ | Do u do online banking? | 19:30 |
| stryngs_ | Ebay | 19:30 |
| stryngs_ | 19:30 | |
| stryngs_ | etc.. | 19:30 |
| stryngs_ | On your own network | 19:30 |
| bencoh | (no fb, it's bad for your brain :°) | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | stryngs: stop caring too much about it: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=15162 | 19:30 |
| stryngs_ | Stop looking at this from a pessimistic point of view. You obviously had no idea until now that this was possible, so roll with me | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | nsa has you | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | more than you can imagine | 19:31 |
| stryngs_ | Considering I work with them, i dont care | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | it can hack you even when you are OFFLINE | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | so can mobsters probably | 19:31 |
| stryngs_ | So do u want to learn what i am talking of KotCzarny ? I'll teach u this approach if u want, but im not gunna force it down your thorat | 19:31 |
| bencoh | they can certainly "hack" you in the strictest sense :p | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | nah, i don't care | 19:32 |
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| stryngs_ | Ok then. | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | i know network is crackable | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | multiple ways | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | it's people that need to change | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | not the tech | 19:32 |
| stryngs_ | Dude, you have no idea. And you definately do not grasp what i'm talking about since you keep blathering on about people needing to chaneg | 19:32 |
| stryngs_ | ITS THE FUCKIN TECH that is broken | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 19:32 |
| stryngs_ | stop sayin its the people | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | it's people | 19:32 |
| bencoh | I'd say both :) | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | if there is no one going to bad things to you | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | you wont be needing encryption | 19:33 |
| stryngs_ | People are stupid, but when u have sites like ebay using cookies with no secure flag nor httponly flag, then its the damn tech | 19:33 |
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| stryngs_ | And u saying it's the people just burns me up! | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 19:33 |
| stryngs_ | >>>>>> People are stupid, but when u have sites like ebay using cookies with no secure flag nor httponly flag, then its the damn tech <<<<<<< | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | in some places when there is no cashier, people just leave money on the counter and go | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | in most places people will just steal in such case | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | so no, it's not the tech that is the problem but people's attitude and morals | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | if there are no thieves, there would be no need for locks | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | if you start locking things up, bad people will open them without your consent sooner or later | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | in the first case, you have no stress | 19:35 |
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| KotCzarny | in the second, you live in constant fear | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | (or false sense of security) | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | you patch one hole, bunch of 0day ones crop up next month | 19:36 |
| bencoh | :) | 19:38 |
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| arist0v-work | hey don't poke me stryngs_ i just eat..... | 19:39 |
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| stryngs_ | haha | 19:39 |
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| KotCzarny | stryngs: pic related: http://i.imgur.com/5nClv.jpg | 20:05 |
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| stryngs_ | Can someone please do: head -n 30 /usr/include/linux/if_arp.h | nc termbin.com 9999 | 23:44 |
| stryngs_ | Please and thank you post the URL =) | 23:44 |
| stryngs_ | nvm | 23:46 |
| stryngs_ | =) | 23:46 |
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