IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2015-02-18

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MonkeyofDoom	how does maemo do wifi? I can't find NetworkManager or wpa_supplicant running	05:38
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MonkeyofDoom	wtf, osso-wlan and eapd	06:16
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Sicelo	and eapd closed :(	06:28
Sicelo	why you ask anyway?	06:28
Sicelo	you can used wpa_supplicant if you have to ...	06:28
MonkeyofDoom	Sicelo: I've been trying every permutation of options to get the Maemo to connect to a PEAP/mschapv2 network recently and was hoping to look at debug output to see something more informative than "authentication failure"	06:39
MonkeyofDoom	worst-case I'll look into wpa_supplicant, but I assume that means the GUI becomes inoperative?	06:40
MonkeyofDoom	why would they ship a closed-source component like that if there was a working open-source one out there?	06:41
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pabs3	this site appears to be a spam site but planet-maemo is subscribed to its RSS feed http://www.maemo-guru.com/	07:12
pabs3	could someone remove it?	07:12
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Sicelo	MonkeyofDoom: try the EAP tab in Advanced SEttings. Enable "Use manual user name" and re-enter the username in the "Manual user name field." If you've tried this and it didn't work, then wpa_supplicant is the only way you can connect to that network	07:30
* Sicelo has a network like that at work, and wpa_supplicant works just fine		07:30
MonkeyofDoom	I believe I've already tried exactly that	07:30
MonkeyofDoom	but I'll give it a go next chance I get	07:30
MonkeyofDoom	fairly garbage that there are networks where it Just Doesn't Work though, no?	07:33
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KotCzarny	can i have multiple sdks in one scratchbox?	10:46
KotCzarny	ie. 770 and n800 and n900 ?	10:47
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bencoh	KotCzarny: you can choose the target in sb, so .... I'd say "yes" but I dunno for sure and I have never tried	11:17
KotCzarny	bencoh: thought about that, but do sdk installers are dependant on specific tools versions etc	11:18
KotCzarny	worst case scenario is 3 separate sdks with home dirs symlinked	11:18
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Sicelo	MonkeyofDoom: it looks like eapd isn't strictly at fault. seems most of the time there is actually something broken in the network or its config. N900 'takes things too seriously' with Enterprise networks. once something is amiss, it will refuse to connect, while almost all other devices will let you choose to connnect anyway. N900 will not even auto-connect to an enterprise network .. there is some bug against that, and Nokia said it's a feature.	12:14
bencoh	what do you mean by "once something is amiss"	12:14
bencoh	?	12:14
Sicelo	when there is something not exactly right with the network	12:19
Sicelo	e.g. our work network has some certificate problem. even iPhone users get prompted to "connect anyway" the first time	12:19
KotCzarny	isn't enterprise about security?	12:20
KotCzarny	if enterprise sets fugly network, its' fugly enterprise and should be ticketed to it/sysadmins deparment	12:20
drathir	depend of it guy workin in enterprise corpo i guess...	12:21
Sicelo	which of course N900 does not. i setup a proper PEAP network at home, and N900 connects to it just fine. that's why i say N900 isn't exactly in the wrong, except that it does take things too seriously :)	12:21
drathir	Sicelo: what is missing ?	12:21
KotCzarny	sicelo, as i said, nag the sysadmins	12:21
KotCzarny	:)	12:21
Sicelo	lol.. KotCzarny :D	12:21
KotCzarny	it's their job they are paid for, right?	12:22
Sicelo	there's over 1000, and i'm the only N900 user. you can guess i don't count	12:22
Sicelo	*1000 users of this WiFi	12:22
KotCzarny	you've found a bug in their network	12:22
KotCzarny	and bugs usually mean there is a hole	12:22
bencoh	depends on the "bug"	12:23
KotCzarny	bugs are results of flaky code	12:23
bencoh	for instance, if the certificate is expired, that's a "bug"	12:23
drathir	Sicelo: maybe You using staff that match rfc-s ^^	12:23
Sicelo	drathir: i have forgot the exact problem .. been a while since i checked out the situation.	12:23
Sicelo	using what?	12:23
KotCzarny	sicelo, in the worst case just set up wifi ap for yourself ;)	12:23
bencoh	if the CA they're using isnt installed on n900 (or if their cert is autosigned) it's not a bug	12:24
drathir	Sicelo: specifications of interfaces used, not all stuff follow thats docs...	12:24
KotCzarny	i think he meant 'stuff'	12:24
Sicelo	KotCzarny: not permitted in the work environment to install other connectivity devices. only managed cisco are here. even bluetooth service is disabled on all computers :p	12:25
drathir	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_for_Comments	12:25
KotCzarny	so, back to 'try to debug and find what's wrong' phase then	12:25
KotCzarny	then to post the ticket for sysadmins	12:26
KotCzarny	;)	12:26
Sicelo	:D	12:26
KotCzarny	grab some linux machine, enable max debugs in wpa_supplicant, and see if there is anything interesting that might point you to the n900 issue	12:27
Sicelo	i'm not a sysadmin, but am privileged to look at them. Nokia is officially not supported (this enterprise problem is not N900-specific .. even N8 and others have it)	12:27
KotCzarny	ie. try to connect at work with max debug	12:27
drathir	KotCzarny: yea and the sysadmin go to angry mode ;p	12:27
bencoh	BOFH :p	12:27
KotCzarny	drathir: more like, 'i dont care' mode	12:27
Sicelo	and i do have wap_supplicant on the N900 .. that's how i connect to this wifi	12:27
Sicelo	so yes, they can keep their network, lol.. i don't care anymore	12:28
KotCzarny	sicelo, enable max debug, investigate for oddities	12:28
erlehmann	i want the source code for message center	12:28
erlehmann	where is it	12:28
erlehmann	gibe source	12:28
erlehmann	i can patch	12:28
drathir	Sicelo: i say You that almost sure the bb9900 is even more restrictive "in secure config" than n900...	12:28
Sicelo	i did that .. but that info isn't of any use in the end. they will not reconfigure it for me only, especially using such an 'ancient' device	12:28
KotCzarny	sicelo: find other users, make a lobby	12:28
Sicelo	haha, maybe i'm a lazy guy then ...	12:29
Sicelo	but i can assure you only Nokia users have problems here (symbian + my 2 maemo devices). so .. who cares	12:29
KotCzarny	or grab data plan for your phone	12:29
Sicelo	10:27 < Sicelo> and i do have wap_supplicant on the N900 .. that's how i connect to this wifi	12:30
bencoh	does it work with wpa_supplicant ?	12:30
Sicelo	100%	12:30
bencoh	oh, well ...	12:30
drathir	symbian mostly not care about certs i guess... never have any warnings about... ;/	12:31
Sicelo	just disable cert verification in the config and you're done ;)	12:31
bencoh	Sicelo: is the cert autosigned, or expired ?	12:31
Sicelo	symbian does care .. it just never warns you, same as maemo :p	12:31
drathir	Sicelo: oh... /me not sure than whats is the point if not warn about...	12:32
KotCzarny	drathir: doesnt warn, just drops connection	12:32
KotCzarny	;)	12:32
KotCzarny	ie. nazi mode	12:32
* drathir like certpatrol ;p		12:32
Sicelo	bencoh: i will recheck the cert issue for you.. there is a CA, and the cert is signed by that CA .. however using the root cert didn't help me at all. maybe it's missing some fields or something	12:32
bencoh	oh, sad	12:33
drathir	KotCzarny: thats the point never have a symbin sytuation with drop, thats low possibility i have that big lucky, the bb9900 is nazi mode, because with really wrong cert even not allow to connect no force mode at all...	12:34
Sicelo	will be quicker to show you the error it throws on Windows for this ... it's in some MS KB	12:35
drathir	Sicelo: wonder if they using multiple dns matching... ?	12:36
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pabs3	this site appears to be a spam site but planet-maemo is subscribed to its RSS feed http://www.maemo-guru.com/	13:23
pabs3	could someone remove it?	13:23
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erlehmann	the link to the SDK is dead http://maemo.org/development/sdks/	13:36
KotCzarny	yes, for quite long time	13:36
KotCzarny	few years probably	13:36
erlehmann	how do i start developing	13:36
Sicelo	so, bencoh, drathir, KotCzarny ... Microsoft KB 2518158 ... that's what you get for this wifi network on a windows machine which is outside the domain. said laptop has the cert. managed laptops don't get this prompt	13:36
erlehmann	i want the MUC chat to fix	13:36
KotCzarny	erlehmann: grab the source, change the code	13:37
erlehmann	KotCzarny where is the repository for all source code?	13:37
KotCzarny	in case source is not available, find someone who can change it	13:37
KotCzarny	http://maemo.org/development/sources/	13:37
erlehmann	okay thx	13:39
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erlehmann	how is the messagengi interface called?	13:39
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KotCzarny	sicelo: google found this for me: http://serverfault.com/questions/624218/setting-up-nps-with-a-certificate-that-is-valid-to-both-ad-and-non-ad-machines	13:40
KotCzarny	could be only one of many problems related to that kb	13:40
bencoh	~sb	13:41
infobot	scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB	13:41
bencoh	erlehmann: ^	13:41
bencoh	apt-get source <existing-package> to fetch sources from repository	13:42
bencoh	and see gitorious.org/community-cssu	13:42
bencoh	err	13:42
bencoh	gitorious.org/community-ssu (no "c")	13:43
erlehmann	i do not know how the package is called	13:43
Sicelo	so anyway, you know how sysadmins are ... they know, you don't. when you try show that you know, they start hunting you down in suspcion of hacking, etc.	13:43
bencoh	welcome to the corpo world	13:44
* Sicelo is satisfied with wpa_supplicant solution as a result :)		13:44
KotCzarny	:)	13:44
drathir	Sicelo: thanks...	13:44
KotCzarny	sicelo, isnt it that what you are doing now?	13:45
bencoh	Sicelo: "real" sysadmins in a proper env aren't like that ;)	13:45
KotCzarny	ie. using different tools to connect, debug etc	13:45
Sicelo	i'm not saying this is the problem on the network MonkeyofDoom is using, but that broken networks do exist in abundance, and no one cares to fix them	13:45
KotCzarny	tHATS hacking	13:45
Sicelo	haha KotCzarny	13:45
KotCzarny	which is different from CRACKING	13:45
KotCzarny	learn the difference	13:45
bencoh	:-)	13:46
Sicelo	i know. anyway, wpa_supplicant is 'hacking' my phone, not the network lulz	13:46
KotCzarny	still, you are hacking	13:47
KotCzarny	:)	13:47
Sicelo	pity Exchange ActiveSync can't be fooled in the same way ..	13:48
drathir	im pretty sure if they dont care about security of connect to network they even more dont care about Sicelo "hacking" ;p	13:48
Sicelo	it's the only corporate resource i cannot use atm, and OWA is disabled on our network	13:48
drathir	but true better not give solutions, because if someone goin to make nasty things You become first suspicious one ;/ that sad...	13:50
Sicelo	yes, true that	13:50
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Sicelo	luckily, i'm the only N900 user, and Symbianers can't be helped this way	13:51
drathir	That why me only allow to get access to friends pc, and not much like get access to random one persons from network even when helping...	13:52
KotCzarny	well.. friends can be your worst enemy	13:53
KotCzarny	:)	13:53
drathir	ofc often me takes few min to fix somethin than few h to make a follow person with my minds ;p	13:53
drathir	but taht is more secure for me, and for person bc he also should feel more secure...	13:54
KotCzarny	why computers have viruses? because of people using them (mostly)	13:54
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drathir	KotCzarny: thats true, but personally not have a much friend, but them are real one root meaning of that word not like this days "normal" ppl understandin "friends" word mean... personally even save to give full acces to bank account w/o any aware... ;p	13:57
drathir	KotCzarny: bc of winscary...	13:58
KotCzarny	friend is someone you give root access to	13:58
KotCzarny	:)	13:58
drathir	KotCzarny: that all bad is bc of m$ ;p	13:58
KotCzarny	(stupid pygtk not showing icons on buttons grumble)	13:59
drathir	KotCzarny: which one make ppl more stupid one than real them are... m$ is brain vaccum for ppl...	13:59
Pali	here is alt link: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/	14:00
KotCzarny	drathir: windows started as a way to allow not-computer-savvy people use computers	14:00
KotCzarny	then it just went the 'we know, you dont, but here, click those icons'	14:00
KotCzarny	neo-illiteracy	14:01
KotCzarny	from understanding back to image-communication	14:01
drathir	KotCzarny: no they find good way to drain ppl money for nothing and make ppl dumb-er and foul them... ;/ no thinkin when using a pc is worser than not using pc at all...	14:02
KotCzarny	that too	14:02
KotCzarny	but it's the way world went, many years ago if kid was running free late, no one cared much, now.. 'oh no, you must be with kid ALL the time or something bad will happen'	14:03
* drathir when only can direct ppl to linux and help and learn to using the "better and safer" os...		14:03
KotCzarny	ie. from civilised to gangsta	14:03
drathir	KotCzarny: but honestly wonder and will little scared what will happen if linux get as much donation like m$ drain from ppl... aware if not became better but worser...	14:06
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KotCzarny	drathir: linux doesnt need donations but big user base	14:07
KotCzarny	once that happens, people and corpos will consider it worthy of attention	14:07
drathir	the same bad like become now with ubuntu in my opinion now...	14:07
drathir	one now*	14:07
* KotCzarny uses slackware		14:07
KotCzarny	since 4.0	14:08
KotCzarny	tried all debian/rh based ones	14:08
drathir	KotCzarny: nice...	14:08
KotCzarny	they got too far from k.i.s.s. principle	14:08
KotCzarny	they got m$	14:08
KotCzarny	m$ way	14:08
KotCzarny	'we know, you don't'	14:09
* drathir sitting at arch, but only one alternative if arch goin really bad in decisions is openbsd...		14:09
KotCzarny	slackware is nice because it doesnt overcomplicate things, tries to get as much out of your way as possible	14:10
drathir	KotCzarny: slackware have systemd onboard?	14:10
KotCzarny	nope	14:10
KotCzarny	one of the few that don't	14:10
drathir	KotCzarny: thats good news...	14:10
drathir	i guess need to prepare vm for slacckware in near future...	14:11
KotCzarny	and slackware leader explicitily said it doesn't like systemd	14:11
drathir	KotCzarny: package manager/format rpm?	14:11
KotCzarny	txz	14:12
KotCzarny	tgz	14:12
drathir	O.o thats also good...	14:12
KotCzarny	package manager is there but i do things manually	14:12
drathir	wonder if pacman able to assimilate...	14:12
KotCzarny	you can even do rpm2tgz and install resultant package without caring about the deps	14:13
KotCzarny	it's really simple, but allows you to do interesting things without being policed by package manager	14:13
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KotCzarny	drathir, also, preparing your own packages is VERY simple	14:19
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drathir	KotCzarny: arch with aur is a really flexible things too... need to watch in action that os too...	14:22
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erlehmann	504 Host tablets-dev.nokia.com lookup failed: Host not found	14:38
erlehmann	where do i get current image	14:38
erlehmann	here? http://www.jedge.com/n900/	14:39
erlehmann	~image	14:40
infobot	See 'iso'	14:40
erlehmann	~iso	14:40
infobot	i guess iso is 20megs, but it has a complete secure web interface	14:40
erlehmann	wat	14:40
erlehmann	~flash	14:40
infobot	it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh	14:40
erlehmann	~flasher	14:40
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/	14:40
KotCzarny	there are no flash images on maemo.org?	14:40
KotCzarny	is there some copyright issue?	14:41
KotCzarny	(luckily i have mine backed up)	14:41
erlehmann	~RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	14:41
KotCzarny	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1418219&postcount=13	14:41
erlehmann	KotCzarny thx. do i need all of them?	14:42
KotCzarny	just the version you want	14:42
erlehmann	5GB OPTFS Image: 5GB Optfs EMMC Modified Image what is that	14:42
KotCzarny	you can run some custom linux from mmc probably	14:43
bencoh	you prolly want the P3 1.3+EMMC image	14:43
KotCzarny	or modified for smaller /opt	14:43
bencoh	KotCzarny: larger /opt I guess	14:44
bencoh	("5GB" ;)	14:44
KotCzarny	oh	14:44
KotCzarny	still, needs some howto probably	14:44
KotCzarny	and that firedrive is ugly	14:45
KotCzarny	ad infested	14:45
KotCzarny	so, why doesn't maemo.org host firmware images?	14:45
bencoh	there is an archive at archive.org	14:45
erlehmann	how do i download from firedrive o.0	14:45
bencoh	oh, and	14:47
bencoh	~flash	14:47
infobot	maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh	14:47
bencoh	see flash-it-all.sh (from Docs) ^	14:47
bencoh	it should fetch everything iirc	14:47
bencoh	https://web.archive.org/web/20131117073524/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900 mirrors "everything"	14:48
erlehmann	enabling js on firedrive made my system load go up to >7	14:50
erlehmann	not again	14:50
erlehmann	it is still >4	14:50
KotCzarny	sorry for that, didnt check before pasting	14:51
bencoh	just fetch the images from archive.org :)	14:51
KotCzarny	all the ads got cut by my adblocker	14:51
erlehmann	i figured the scripts might start the download	14:53
KotCzarny	i have js enabled and cut ads by urls	14:53
erlehmann	thx bencoh	14:56
erlehmann	but there is no RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	14:57
bencoh	hmmm ... true, I wonder why	14:57
bencoh	there is .42 though	14:58
erlehmann	i found some http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?t=88001#edit1298069	14:58
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erlehmann	what is this eMMC thingy?	14:59
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bencoh	(strange, I cant download any file from this archive.org mirror at the moment)	15:01
erlehmann	http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	15:01
erlehmann	; md5sum $home/Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	15:02
erlehmann	095259c2380e894dc1d6a2999526ec9f /home/erlehmann/Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	15:02
erlehmann	is that correct?	15:02
erlehmann	so https://web.archive.org/web/20131117073522/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/	15:03
KotCzarny	http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/	15:04
KotCzarny	another source	15:04
bencoh	every link works from this one, funny	15:04
erlehmann	interesting	15:04
erlehmann	the point is my GF has no upgrade path to CSSU if this flashing thing does not work	15:04
bencoh	?	15:05
bencoh	it should work alright	15:05
KotCzarny	http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/MD5SUMS	15:05
bencoh	a lot of people recently flashed/upgraded to cssu recently	15:05
KotCzarny	bencoh: worth it?	15:06
erlehmann	bencoh can you give me the least misleading tutorial to that?	15:06
bencoh	KotCzarny: definitely	15:07
bencoh	erlehmann: I dunno about the least misleading, but the cssu page on the wiki looks fine	15:07
KotCzarny	biggest sell point?	15:07
bencoh	everything, from security updates (well ... it's still lagging, but it needs love and manpower :) to features	15:08
bencoh	and bugfixes	15:08
KotCzarny	stock still works for me	15:09
KotCzarny	is there some battery saving ?	15:09
KotCzarny	ie. more battery efficient	15:09
KotCzarny	sms/call log is stored on /home so it will be automatically transferred, right?	15:10
bencoh	KotCzarny: lots of memleak fixes and rewritten closed-source bits in cssu-t	15:12
erlehmann	bencoh can you tell me which application does the chat interface?	15:12
erlehmann	i need to insert one simple xmpp message	15:12
erlehmann	so it retrieves last 20 muc messages	15:12
bencoh	erlehmann: I'd look for rtcom-messaging-ui and telepathy	15:12
bencoh	(and related stuff)	15:13
erlehmann	ok	15:13
erlehmann	i have done an art http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/	15:14
erlehmann	is writtin in js? https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait/source/38f1c4427b0cd32cf77f474f718299bfb3540abd:MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.js	15:16
KotCzarny	widget(ui) might be	15:16
bencoh	erlehmann: as I told you yestarday, this is just part of the UI, and most of rtcom is closed	15:17
erlehmann	bencoh maybe i can hotpatch it	15:17
KotCzarny	replace packets on the go?	15:17
KotCzarny	edit binary and insert string?	15:17
erlehmann	no, patch the binary	15:18
erlehmann	yes	15:18
bencoh	I'd seriously doubt that, but depending on what you want/need the answer might lie elsewhere (telepathy for instance)	15:18
erlehmann	hmm, okay	15:19
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erlehmann	it is only one xml stanza that needs to be sent	15:19
erlehmann	<history maxstanzas="20" since="2015-02-17T16:12:41Z" /> or something	15:20
erlehmann	i could shorten it	15:20
erlehmann	bencoh is telepathy for n900 open?	15:20
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erlehmann	i may have it	15:22
bencoh	it is	15:25
bencoh	most of it at least	15:25
erlehmann	https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble/source/f5d37a5ddf21d0053b369bf59f5edebfe1c91ceb:src/muc-channel.c	15:29
bencoh	dont ask me about xmpp, I know next to nothing (and dont really want to know :p)	15:31
erlehmann	i know a bit	15:36
erlehmann	but not about telepathy	15:36
erlehmann	bencoh in case i have a patch, can you test?	15:36
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bencoh	not really, no	15:38
bencoh	I dont even use jabber	15:38
erlehmann	telepathy-haze might work	15:39
erlehmann	installing it	15:39
bencoh	if you believe telepathy (or telepath-gabble) is broken you should check telepathy bugtracker and changelogs	15:39
bencoh	your issue might be fixed upstream	15:39
erlehmann	i do not believe it is broken	15:39
bencoh	broken, or missing a feature :)	15:39
erlehmann	yes	15:40
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erlehmann	bencoh i think i might be able to fix this	16:00
erlehmann	i need the cssu telepathy maintainer	16:00
merlin1991	well	16:01
merlin1991	looks like Pali worked on it	16:01
merlin1991	but if you manage to fix it on your own just throw a MR against https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble and we'll make sure to include it	16:02
Pali	voice and video calls with gmail are broken because merlin1991 did not released new version of community ssu telepathy-gabble yet	16:02
* merlin1991 hides		16:03
erlehmann	oh, you both are here	16:03
erlehmann	i know nothing of the telepathy code	16:03
erlehmann	but can you two tell me how to send a simple stanza?	16:03
Pali	its fixed since Tuesday May 20 2014	16:03
erlehmann	<history maxstanzas="20" since="2015-02-17T16:12:41Z" /> or something	16:03
* merlin1991 hides some more		16:03
erlehmann	if you send this, muc server responds with messages	16:03
Pali	you need to modify telepathy-gabble source code	16:04
erlehmann	i know	16:04
erlehmann	but the point is, how to send stanza	16:04
Pali	if you want to send your own xmpp stanza	16:04
erlehmann	i have the place where i need to put it	16:04
Pali	I do not know gabble source code as much...	16:04
erlehmann	in muc-channel.c	16:04
erlehmann	https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble/source/f5d37a5ddf21d0053b369bf59f5edebfe1c91ceb:src/muc-channel.c	16:04
Pali	merlin1991: instead being hidden, release new versio of telepathy-gabble now! :-)	16:05
bencoh	:°	16:05
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erlehmann	merlin1991 can you help me?	16:09
merlin1991	I never touched telepathy, sorry	16:09
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erlehmann	Pali merlin1991 i will now guess how to make patchings	16:14
Pali	ok	16:15
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erlehmann	; git clone https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble.git	16:46
erlehmann	:3	16:46
erlehmann	Pali merlin1991 this is the presence stanza i need to send <presence from='…' id='…' to='…'><x xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/muc'><history maxstanzas="20"/></x></presence>	16:57
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bencoh	downloading from archive.org is painfully slow :/	17:11
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Sicelo	Pali: you mean when the update is released we will again be able to use video/audio for GTalk? Since gtalk became Hangouts (unless i'm mistaken) does it mean i can call those users?	17:27
Pali	no with hangouts but with gmail web plugin	17:28
Pali	that old one	17:29
Sicelo	ok. no idea about that plugin. will look	17:29
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erlehmann	Pali merlin1991 i think i got it!	17:34
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erlehmann	Pali merlin1991 http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/telepathy-gabble-muc-history.c	17:45
erlehmann	Pali merlin1991 can you merge that into muc-channel.c and make sure it is called when joining a channel?	17:46
erlehmann	i have not run the code in question.	17:46
erlehmann	as i have no idea to build this stuff	17:46
erlehmann	but i am reasonably certain that it should work	17:47
bencoh	have you fetched the sb vm ?	17:47
erlehmann	the what?	17:47
erlehmann	give url	17:48
bencoh	~sb	17:48
infobot	[scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB	17:48
bencoh	second link	17:48
erlehmann	i need to clean dishes soon.	17:48
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erlehmann	> - Estimated size: 5.5GB (normal) and 1.3GB (compressed - 7zip format)	17:49
erlehmann	i have not much space!	17:49
erlehmann	not that much	17:49
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erlehmann	bencoh i would be happy if Pali or merlin1991 could merge this function as users could enjoy muc history then!	17:50
erlehmann	yeah and maybe it is of stupid	17:50
erlehmann	after all, „const gchar *stanzas“ enables you to say maxstanzas="bread"	17:51
erlehmann	but i think the maxstanzas value will be hardcoded regardless	17:51
erlehmann	just somewhere else	17:51
stryngs	erlehmann: http://termbin.com/x1xl	17:52
* stryngs flexes		17:52
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erlehmann	stryngs can you test my patch?	17:53
erlehmann	or rather, my function.	17:53
stryngs	such as?	17:53
erlehmann	http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/telepathy-gabble-muc-history.c	17:54
bencoh	erlehmann: they'll eventually merge it (probably ... I guess :p) if you provide them with a working patch :)	17:54
bencoh	but you still need to test it	17:54
erlehmann	bencoh i do not know where to call the function	17:54
stryngs	how do u want me to patch it? What is it for?	17:54
erlehmann	stryngs it is for telepathy-gabble a function that enables history upon joining MUC	17:55
stryngs	MUC	17:55
stryngs	?	17:55
bencoh	erlehmann: they probably dont either	17:55
erlehmann	bencoh i will find out	17:56
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erlehmann	in #telepathy someone told me i misunderstood everything!	17:57
erlehmann	<ramcq> erlehmann: you've misunderstood the protocol slightly; this <x><history>... thing is not a history message by itself, it's metadata which is included in the <presence> message which XMPP uses to join the MUC	17:58
erlehmann	<ramcq> erlehmann: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#enter-managehistory "This is accomplished by including a <history/> child in the initial presence stanza sent when joining the room."	17:58
erlehmann	<ramcq> erlehmann: so it shouldn't be its own function, it should be a modification to whatever function already makes and sends that <presence> to join the room	17:58
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erlehmann	ha	18:04
erlehmann	according to this dbus-monitor, n900 is just ignoring history.	18:04
KotCzarny	hehe	18:04
erlehmann	da fuq	18:05
erlehmann	so i wrote a useless patch	18:05
KotCzarny	now you have to unignore history	18:05
erlehmann	how	18:05
bencoh	how do you know ?	18:06
Sicelo	what ramcq said seems to be in line with the spec you have in your patch .. example 38	18:06
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erlehmann	oh lel	18:07
erlehmann	muc_factory_message_cb is selectively ignoring ._.	18:07
Sicelo	erlehmann: i have a jabber account .. what is an MUC that i can join? last joined one maybe 4 years ago :D	18:08
erlehmann	sicelo, maemo@conference.jabber.ccc.de	18:10
Sicelo	cool. let me	18:10
erlehmann	i think i have a one line workaround	18:11
Wizzup	win 31	18:11
Wizzup	oops.	18:11
erlehmann	Sicelo write something in muc	18:12
erlehmann	i need to test this	18:12
KotCzarny	join with jabber or pidgin and test	18:13
KotCzarny	:)	18:13
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erlehmann	lel	18:22
erlehmann	in muc-channel.c	18:25
erlehmann	search for /* Ignore messages from the channel.	18:25
erlehmann	beautiful	18:25
KotCzarny	castrated-in-yet-another-place?	18:26
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erlehmann	may it be that the history messages come from the channel?	18:27
KotCzarny	if you get debug messages "ignoring message from muc" then yes	18:28
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erlehmann	i would suggest to delete the offending code	18:30
erlehmann	if (!is_echo && !is_error && sender_handle_type == TP_HANDLE_TYPE_ROOM)	18:30
erlehmann	{	18:30
erlehmann	NODE_DEBUG (msg->node, "ignoring message from muc");	18:30
erlehmann	return;	18:30
erlehmann	}	18:30
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erlehmann	the comment above it even remarks on this	18:30
erlehmann	that they have never seen useful messages etc. pp.	18:31
erlehmann	/* Ignore messages from the channel. The only such messages I have seen in	18:31
erlehmann	* practice have been on devel@conference.pidgin.im, which sends useful	18:31
erlehmann	* messages like "foo has set the subject to: ..." and "This room is not	18:31
erlehmann	* anonymous".	18:31
erlehmann	*/	18:31
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KotCzarny	remove, recompile, test	18:31
erlehmann	ah https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27913	18:32
povbot	Bug 27913: was not found.	18:32
erlehmann	funneh	18:33
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erlehmann	reading MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.js now	18:41
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erlehmann	* Copyright (C) 2009 Nokia Corporation. All rights reserved.	18:49
erlehmann	*	18:49
erlehmann	* Contact: Naba Kumar <naba.kumar@nokia.com>	18:49
erlehmann	i will send mail	18:49
bencoh	err	18:51
erlehmann	<fledermaus> I don't know that that address will still be any good...	18:51
erlehmann	bencoh according to source code, naba kumar wrote at least parts of rtcom-messaging-ui	18:51
KotCzarny	still, emails are free	18:51
erlehmann	https://fi.linkedin.com/in/nabakumar	18:52
erlehmann	https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Anjuta/Team#line-8	18:52
erlehmann	I have a N900 phone; history messages are not shown upon entering an	18:55
erlehmann	Jabber multi user chat. As you seem to have written at least part of	18:55
erlehmann	rtcom-messaging-ui, could you tell me if the application receives the	18:55
erlehmann	messages and is just not displaying it or if the error lies deeper in	18:55
erlehmann	the stack?	18:55
erlehmann	is that a good message?	18:55
bencoh	I wouldnt expect much, but ...	18:56
bencoh	17:51 < KotCzarny> still, emails are free	18:56
bencoh	:)	18:56
erlehmann	i am also asking for source code	19:03
merlin1991	erlehmann: I'd let that slide	19:04
erlehmann	merlin1991 what?	19:04
merlin1991	asking for source	19:04
merlin1991	there's not much point	19:04
merlin1991	we kept pestering nokia for some time about all source	19:04
stryngs	Emails are free? Damn, AOL been ripping me off!	19:04
bencoh	:D	19:04
stryngs	What are ya'll paying per hour?	19:04
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erlehmann	merlin1991 even if he has not source code, sometimes there can be useful information	19:05
erlehmann	i once re-implemented parts of a proprietary application because the author was so nice and gave me the header files	19:05
erlehmann	for, err, study	19:05
erlehmann	my reimplementation was online faster than his original was in the app store :D	19:05
erlehmann	(i am talking about libglitch)	19:05
KotCzarny	lol, i just made pygtk segfault	19:07
erlehmann	how	19:07
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KotCzarny	./oscp-remote.py:204: Warning: g_object_get_qdata: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed	19:07
KotCzarny	if(t==3): self.b_playpause.set_image(self.b_pause.get_image())	19:07
erlehmann	The mail system	19:07
KotCzarny	./oscp-remote.py:204: Warning: g_type_get_qdata: assertion `node != NULL' failed	19:07
KotCzarny	if(t==3): self.b_playpause.set_image(self.b_pause.get_image())	19:07
KotCzarny	Segmentation fault	19:07
erlehmann	<naba.kumar@nokia.com>: host demumfd001.nsn-inter.net[93.183.12.32] said: 550	19:07
erlehmann	5.1.1 <naba.kumar@nokia.com>... Unknown user (in reply to RCPT TO command)	19:07
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bencoh	erlehmann: is that a surprise to you ? :))	19:08
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bencoh	he seems to be an opensource developper, he prolly has a real mail address around	19:08
KotCzarny	most likely he wont be able to fix the problem tho	19:09
bencoh	yeah	19:09
erlehmann	he has written the js parts of rtcom-messaging-ui	19:09
erlehmann	or at least he claims in source code ;)	19:09
erlehmann	this thing renders a buffer	19:10
bencoh	erlehmann: how do you know you receive the history and rtcom-messaging-ui just ignore it ?	19:10
bencoh	(you mentionned dbus-monitor)	19:10
erlehmann	bencoh dbus monitor shows the messages of type scrollback!	19:10
erlehmann	start dbus monitor	19:10
erlehmann	join a MUC	19:10
erlehmann	you will see the messages on dbus	19:10
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bencoh	oh	19:11
bencoh	so no need to patch telepathy-gabble ?	19:11
erlehmann	indeed	19:11
erlehmann	unless	19:11
erlehmann	if (timestamp != 0)	19:11
erlehmann	tp_message_set_boolean (message, 0, "scrollback", TRUE);	19:11
erlehmann	this we could remove	19:11
bencoh	removing that is a kludge	19:11
erlehmann	yeah, but i see no other option, unless i can … wait.	19:12
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erlehmann	i'll try naba@gnome.org	19:23
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KotCzarny	ha!, squashed big bug	20:00
KotCzarny	i love it	20:00
erlehmann	which one?	20:02
erlehmann	KotCzarny show and tell	20:02
KotCzarny	in oscp-remote.py	20:07
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kong	Hi!	20:07
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KotCzarny	earlier when core closed the connection remote went into 100% cpu loop	20:07
kong	My nokia n900 usb port is broken, i tryed to fix that using soldering iron. just mad it hot hopefully the connections getting fixed, now it looks like it works fine but i kept battery loading about 24h it stuck at ~75%! but it shows that its still loading	20:09
kong	is my battery damaged or still usb port failure?	20:09
KotCzarny	grab the multimeter and check for shorts?	20:10
KotCzarny	hmm, or maybe not, if there would be a short it would fry	20:10
kong	would not the loading cable get hot on short	20:10
kong	^^	20:10
KotCzarny	have you tried to turn it off and on again?	20:11
KotCzarny	;)	20:11
kong	the orange led shows normal loading status	20:11
kong	but is never green	20:11
KotCzarny	does it fade in/out or jsut stays lit?	20:11
kong	in/out	20:12
KotCzarny	my n900 sometimes gets confused and lits orange no matter if i charge or not	20:12
KotCzarny	i can generically hint you to discharge device fully then try to charge back	20:12
kong	ok	20:13
kong	thx	20:13
KotCzarny	or not fully, 10% and try to charge back	20:14
KotCzarny	also, install batteryeye	20:14
KotCzarny	it will give you nice details battery/charge wise	20:14
KotCzarny	battery-eye	20:15
kong	good idea ^^ thx	20:15
kong	im not sure, but cant me just take informations like in battery-eye using at commands?	20:23
kong	pnatd	20:23
KotCzarny	maybe, but battery-eye gives you nice graphs too	20:24
kong	ok. programm manager already loading :- )	20:24
KotCzarny	also, install fast application manager	20:24
KotCzarny	;)	20:24
KotCzarny	if you didnt already	20:24
Sicelo	fapman you mean?	20:25
KotCzarny	yup	20:25
Sicelo	~fapman	20:25
infobot	rumour has it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam	20:25
KotCzarny	O.o	20:25
KotCzarny	oh well	20:26
kong	yea, well!	20:26
KotCzarny	sicelo: is there any other application manager recommended nowadays?	20:26
KotCzarny	(luckily i havent had such problem with fam yet)	20:27
kong	is there already a working app for front camera?	20:27
kong	or something like pc-webcam?	20:27
Sicelo	HAM :)	20:28
KotCzarny	ham?	20:28
Sicelo	the stock one, in short	20:28
kong	i wrote a c++ app for detecting faces using opencv from webcam pictures	20:28
Sicelo	there's a 'faster' version ... forgot its name .. merlin1991 has it it his repo	20:28
KotCzarny	i think in stock fremantle you can just use /dev/video0 or video1	20:28
KotCzarny	and grab one frame using v4l2 api	20:29
kong	i want a app to take selfies :D	20:29
merlin1991	~speedyham	20:29
infobot	i guess speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb	20:29
KotCzarny	sicelo: so, no hopes? will i be stuck with apt-get and dpkg?	20:29
KotCzarny	merlin1991: is it available for stock fremantle?	20:30
merlin1991	Probably not	20:30
KotCzarny	pity	20:30
kong	there is no fapman in my list	20:31
KotCzarny	kong, apparently its not safe to use	20:31
KotCzarny	heh, havent touched n900 since 2009	20:31
KotCzarny	:>	20:31
kong	i love that phone	20:31
KotCzarny	:)	20:31
kong	streaming movies to raspberry from it	20:32
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kong	time server on n900 also not working! do anybody know where i could change it?	20:52
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Sicelo	intall openntpd or ntpdate (not in repos however)	20:52
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kerio	time server?	20:54
kong	when i change in settings to "auto get time from internet" nothing happen, time keeps wrong	20:55
KotCzarny	fellow coders, i've learnt new lesson today, never ever call close(0) without dup2'ing it into /dev/null first	20:55
KotCzarny	kong, grab ntpdate binary from debian-armel	20:55
KotCzarny	then add to cron or something	20:56
kong	i dont understand!	20:56
kerio	KotCzarny: why not	20:56
kerio	if you're done reading...	20:56
KotCzarny	kerio, because if you ever open any file it will become descriptor 0	20:57
KotCzarny	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/288062/is-close-fclose-on-stdin-guaranteed-to-be-correct	20:57
kerio	oh lol	20:57
KotCzarny	scroll to 'bad things happen' part	20:58
kerio	yeah yeah	20:58
kerio	actually, is that POSIX mandated behaviour?	20:58
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kerio	or just behaviour that would break things if changed	20:58
KotCzarny	becoming descriptor 0? it's just code 'grab first available'	20:58
kerio	because i can't really think of a reason to just skip the first three descriptors	20:58
KotCzarny	kerio, daemonizing	20:59
KotCzarny	for one example	20:59
kerio	you can always dup() to get the file descriptor you want manually, i dunno	20:59
kerio	maybe i don't understand linux enough	21:00
KotCzarny	kerio, i just got burned by hardcoding descriptor 0	21:00
kerio	well, that's stdin :>	21:00
KotCzarny	because fileno(stdin) returns 0 even if you close(0) before	21:00
KotCzarny	but if i close(0) then open listening socket it becomes descriptor 0	21:01
KotCzarny	then if you have code that assumes 0 is stdin and tries to get key from it..	21:02
KotCzarny	anyway, new day, new knowledge	21:02
kong	fast-application-manager says: some packages have unmet dependencies :D	21:03
kerio	fapman is unsupported	21:03
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bencoh	KotCzarny: fun bug :)	21:08
KotCzarny	bencoh, yeah.. trying to add daemonizing option to the interactive program	21:08
KotCzarny	so, proper fix, instead of close(0); one shall use: int fd = open("/dev/null", O_WRONLY); dup2(fd, 0); close(fd);	21:10
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KotCzarny	similar fun with stdout and stderr	21:13
KotCzarny	if you close(1) then have some socket bind to fdesc 1, then you have forgotten printf, it will output to that socket	21:14
KotCzarny	yay for /dev/null!	21:14
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stryngs	Anyone have knowledge of bpf with maemo?	22:56
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Kamping_Kaiser	Hi all. I have a few issues and was going to report bugs. problem is i'm not sure which components are free/can have bugs reported and which aren't. is there a canonical list where i can check?	23:06
stryngs	Pali: ping?	23:10
Pali	stryngs: pong	23:10
stryngs	Pali: bpf, it seems the kernel was not created with it in mind	23:10
stryngs	trying to do some packet sniffing and injection	23:11
Pali	which kernel?	23:11
KotCzarny	isnt it bsd thing?	23:11
KotCzarny	ie. linux does iptables	23:11
stryngs	Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux	23:11
stryngs	But in the code for packit, there is:	23:11
stryngs	if(pcap_compile(pkt, &bpf, filter, 0, netmask) < 0)	23:11
stryngs	fprintf(stderr, "\nWarning: Unable to compile packet filters: %s\n", pcap_geterr(pkt));	23:11
Pali	sys_bpf() call was added to arm only now (3.19)	23:11
stryngs	So, in laymans terms, not possible with n900?	23:12
Pali	or it was ebpf call?	23:12
Pali	do not rememebr	23:12
KotCzarny	poh well, it's late, time to run before i say more stupid things	23:13
stryngs	Pali: I take it, it's not possible on the n900 then?	23:13
stryngs	Pali: Trying to make this a packet sniffer that greps for a given GET, and then injects =)	23:13
stryngs	But most pre-written softwares die on the n900 with the filtering not working, and it works beautifully on a laptop	23:13
Pali	check kernel power defconfig	23:15
Pali	maybe your needed option is just disabled	23:15
Pali	I do not know if it is possible on n900 with kernel power	23:15
stryngs	kernel power defconfig doesn't work	23:16
stryngs	i have kernel-config	23:16
stryngs	and kernel-load	23:16
Pali	defconfig is kernel compile-time config file	23:16
Pali	nothing related to kernel-load and etc	23:16
stryngs	is this going to be in the kp .deb file?	23:17
stryngs	Plz bear with, I am NOT a kernel person by ANY means or stretch of the imagination	23:17
Pali	do not know	23:17
stryngs	Oh	23:17
Pali	check /proc/config.gz	23:17
Pali	or /proc/config	23:17
stryngs	doesnt exist =)	23:17
Pali	if not, you need to download sources and check it here	23:17
stryngs	looked there a while ago	23:18
stryngs	Ah	23:18
stryngs	So your're saying I might could enable it	23:18
Pali	first you need to know what to enable	23:18
Pali	try to find on internet why your function fails	23:18
Pali	if it depends on some kernel feature CONFIG_<my_something>	23:19
stryngs	All i've got is the sourcecode, google failed me	23:19
Pali	then this can be enabled/disabled at compile time	23:19
stryngs	Are there a list of available flags to throw in the file?	23:19
Pali	rx51_defconfig is filename in kernel-power source code	23:20
Pali	and each CONFIG is either enabled or commented	23:20
stryngs	looking here, yes? http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-source/	23:21
stryngs	not /kernel-power	23:21
Pali	its ok	23:21
stryngs	as in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/	23:22
Pali	unpack it and see	23:22
stryngs	k	23:22
stryngs	just nervous pali =)	23:22
stryngs	It's my only n900	23:22
stryngs	hate messing with this low level stuff	23:22
stryngs	but if i can fix it, ill try	23:22
stryngs	no dsc or tarball	23:22
stryngs	ill just unpack .deb, eh?	23:22
Pali	yes	23:22
Sicelo	you have working USB port? flasher can load the resulting kernel & boot it without flashing, so you will be fine :)	23:23
Pali	and then unpack <path_to_unpacked_deb>/usr/src/kernel-power-source-2.6.28.10-power53.tar.bz2	23:23
stryngs	Sicelo: Even with my funky ass mounting?	23:23
stryngs	This is exciting =)	23:23
Pali	then look into file kernel-power/arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig	23:24
Pali	this is that defconfig file ^^^	23:24
stryngs	dloading now =)	23:24
stryngs	38,447,411 834.58K/s ETA 00:31	23:24
stryngs	=)	23:24
stryngs	Good ole t-moble	23:24
Pali	ok, thats all from me now	23:25
Pali	bye	23:25
stryngs	thanks pali =)	23:25
stryngs	MUCH obliged	23:25
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