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| Steven__ | Has anyone swapped their clock battery with a capacitor on the N900? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 | 01:53 |
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| Oksana | It seems that several people did. However, I personally didn't. | 02:18 |
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| salyavin | Wow didn't even know about that clock battery. I guess every N900 clock battery is long dead, mine sure is. | 04:00 |
| svetlana | it is just there to boot the mobile to wake people up I think, it is not used much (esp. if you have the phone on, it probably is just not used) | 04:05 |
| svetlana | try to set an alarm for 5 minutes later, switch the phone off, to test :) | 04:05 |
| * b1101 makes a note to keep track of his n900's time | 04:11 | |
| Oksana | svetlana: When main battery is not switched-off, it's presumably used by alarm-from-shutdown. Because my N900 seems to have alarm-from-shutdown working, even though time is not necessarily correct after battery swap. I am not sure. Somehow, time often seems to be correct, even though the set-time-date-screen still gets displayed. | 04:15 |
| Oksana | I mean, when main battery is not empty, it might be used by alarm-from-shutdown. | 04:15 |
| svetlana | > When main battery is not switched-off, it's presumably used by alarm-from-shutdown | 04:16 |
| svetlana | > I mean, when main battery is not empty, it might be used by alarm-from-shutdown. | 04:16 |
| svetlana | if main power is on, why would it use the clock battery? | 04:16 |
| Oksana | The clock-battery is to preserve the clock across battery-swap? I don't know. | 04:19 |
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| SAiF | thamks Vajb | 04:57 |
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| Steven__ | The clock battery is so that the phone keeps proper time when not otherwised powered. If you set it up to get time through the modem though, it will always seem to have the correct time (though it is actually just fixing it before you get a chance to see it). | 05:42 |
| Steven__ | It is the same in deskops and laptops. | 05:42 |
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| Steven__ | It is not a major problem, I guess, though it is often not a good idea to trust random time sources if you want actual security. | 05:44 |
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| uhhimhere | where can i get stock android rom md5s? | 08:12 |
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| b1101 | uhhimhere: ? | 08:15 |
| uhhimhere | i now this isnt an android forum | 08:15 |
| uhhimhere | but i figure everybody these days has meddled with the droid | 08:15 |
| uhhimhere | plus my end goal is to get something like maemo running on my device | 08:16 |
| uhhimhere | i just need to verify that my backup procedure is working | 08:16 |
| b1101 | your backup procedure? | 08:17 |
| b1101 | android is very different from maemo. What device? and md5 of the backup is created whenever you create a backup, and I'm assuming you're doing this through the recovery? | 08:18 |
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| b1101 | the fact that there are still things ported to n900 puts a huge smile on my face :D | 17:14 |
| b1101 | fuck I love this phone/computer/the most awesome piece of technology I own imo | 17:15 |
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| bencoh | :-) | 17:22 |
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| sec | Aptitude is broken :< Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. | 17:32 |
| sec | Segfaults everytime | 17:32 |
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| teotwaki | Happy new year, all | 18:29 |
| teotwaki | sec: have you tried coredumping and debugging it? | 18:29 |
| kerio | curses problem i believe | 18:33 |
| kerio | it doesn't sigsegv if you give it commands | 18:33 |
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| sec | teotwaki: I was looking into it then. It worked fine when compiled without optimization flags. I can't recall what flags right now. | 18:54 |
| teotwaki | idc about flags, show me a stacktrace and jump from frame to frame | 18:54 |
| bencoh | does anyone know if memcpy() in our libc uses neon optim ? | 19:02 |
| bencoh | I guess http://hardwarebug.org/files/neon-memcpy.patch has been included but I'm not sure | 19:04 |
| bencoh | hmm looks like it's patched with siamashka's neon code, according to the libc source from maemo sdk | 19:08 |
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| uhhimhere | so why not have a MIPS based N900 successor | 19:18 |
| Humpelstilzchen | why do you prefer Mips? | 19:19 |
| uhhimhere | http://tinyurl.com/mm6uowu | 19:19 |
| uhhimhere | lol | 19:19 |
| uhhimhere | i guess because its made en masse by the chinese | 19:19 |
| uhhimhere | so its cheap? | 19:19 |
| uhhimhere | obviously youd loose all the NEON optimizations | 19:20 |
| Humpelstilzchen | I don't think that "cheap" is a good option | 19:20 |
| uhhimhere | but with dual cores you could replicate the NEON w/ the csecond core? | 19:21 |
| bencoh | and eat all the battery you've saved with mips ? meh :) | 19:21 |
| Humpelstilzchen | uhhimhere: for what power cost? And what about the h264 decoder? | 19:21 |
| bencoh | (h264 isnt decoded with neon in maemo - but still) | 19:22 |
| uhhimhere | yeah i know | 19:22 |
| Humpelstilzchen | bencoh: not in neon, but the omap has a dedicated video cpu | 19:23 |
| uhhimhere | you mean a vpu | 19:23 |
| uhhimhere | http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/01/05/ingenic-jz4780-soc-features-a-dual-core-mips-cpu-and-powervr-sgx540-gpu/ | 19:24 |
| bencoh | Humpelstilzchen: actually it's done by the dsp :) | 19:24 |
| bencoh | afaik | 19:24 |
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| Humpelstilzchen | bencoh: on n900 yes, neo900s cpu has an IVA | 19:25 |
| Humpelstilzchen | and yes also a DSP | 19:26 |
| Humpelstilzchen | just not sure how good the DSP is | 19:26 |
| bencoh | it's a c64x+ as well | 19:27 |
| bencoh | prolly a bit faster | 19:27 |
| Humpelstilzchen | also imho MIPS lack some good documentation, but not sure on this one. Havn't really used them | 19:28 |
| uhhimhere | yeah i couldnt find algorithmic descriptions of opcodes | 19:29 |
| uhhimhere | http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available | 19:33 |
| uhhimhere | http://elinux.org/MIPS_Creator_CI20 | 19:33 |
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| uhhimhere | Humpelstilzchen: they seem to be used alot on networking hw | 19:36 |
| uhhimhere | 64 bit stuff i think | 19:36 |
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| Humpelstilzchen | there is a high chance your home router has mips.. | 19:37 |
| uhhimhere | i guess theyre useful for moving large chunks of data around | 19:39 |
| uhhimhere | economicak | 19:39 |
| Humpelstilzchen | or its because they are cheap ;) | 19:39 |
| bencoh | it's because your regular DSL home router doesnt need to do anything in cpu, it basically switches packets (done in hw by a dedicated switch) and routes a few packets (10~100mbps for most home devoces) | 19:42 |
| bencoh | devices* | 19:42 |
| uhhimhere | for doing nothing it sure heats up | 19:42 |
| Humpelstilzchen | bencoh: firewall? | 19:43 |
| uhhimhere | alot | 19:43 |
| Humpelstilzchen | the heat comes from the NSA trojan | 19:43 |
| uhhimhere | lol | 19:43 |
| Humpelstilzchen | you laugh... | 19:43 |
| bencoh | recent high-end mips-based routers include "advanced" features and they have to route at higher throughput so they're getting more powerful, but ... | 19:44 |
| bencoh | Humpelstilzchen: firewalling on cheap routers is a pain :) | 19:45 |
| bencoh | (even though it's getting better :) | 19:45 |
| Humpelstilzchen | still everyone seems to do it | 19:45 |
| bencoh | you said it, because it's cheap ;) | 19:45 |
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| sec | teotwaki: Can't right now | 19:47 |
| bencoh | cheaper than arm, and they eventually went for bigger mips when time came (vdsl or "very-high bitrate" cable for instance) | 19:47 |
| bencoh | (they == ISP) | 19:48 |
| uhhimhere | so neo900 should be MIPS based | 19:53 |
| uhhimhere | if not for cost reasons alone | 19:54 |
| uhhimhere | :D | 19:54 |
| bencoh | >_> | 19:54 |
| * Humpelstilzchen wants FPGA based | 19:54 | |
| * bencoh too, but he doesnt want to carry a car battery around | 19:55 | |
| uhhimhere | howbout coldfusion powered | 19:56 |
| Humpelstilzchen | not sure if i'd like to have the first generation of these in my pocket... | 19:57 |
| bencoh | cant be worse than lipo, can it , | 19:57 |
| bencoh | ? | 19:57 |
| Humpelstilzchen | but so far most people seem to survive it. | 19:58 |
| Humpelstilzchen | just havn't found out why given what a lipo can do | 19:58 |
| bencoh | :)) | 19:58 |
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| Guest37330 | hello everybody, does anyone have any experience with the n900 built-in web browser and TiddlyWiki files? | 23:26 |
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| Guest37330 | also, is it even conceivable to think of ubuntu touch for usage on the n900? What do you suggest for a long term use of this beautiful mobile phone? | 23:32 |
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| Guest37330 | maemo is great anyway and I currently wouldn't need anything else but this operative system. I'm so satisfied that I'm thinking of the future of my current device, not else. | 23:33 |
| Guest37330 | I stepped into neo900, any insights or opinion from you experts? | 23:35 |
| bencoh | I think you'd need to fix/merge ofono from nemomobile into ubuntuphone to make it work on n900 | 23:36 |
| bencoh | afaik ubuntu uses ofono with its rilmodem backend to work on top of an android RIL | 23:37 |
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| Guest37330 | Thank you, it sounds a bit out of my reach but I will write it down and look into it for sure | 23:38 |
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