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| stryngs | Question for ya'll. I recently built binutils natively, and under /usr it created armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi | 00:02 |
| stryngs | Is the system type for the n900 armv7l? | 00:03 |
| Sicelo | of course .. `uname -m` | 00:04 |
| stryngs | Thank you Sicelo =) | 00:05 |
| stryngs | I did not know that | 00:05 |
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| stryngs | *** BFD does not support target armv7l-unknown-none. | 00:28 |
| stryngs | *** Look in bfd/config.bfd for supported targets. | 00:28 |
| * stryngs sighs | 00:29 | |
| stryngs | Sicelo: any ideas? | 00:29 |
| bencoh | bleh, bfd :/ | 00:30 |
| stryngs | well the weird part is when i ./configure without doing --build=armv7l it does let make happen properly. Then it creates a directory under /usr called armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi | 00:31 |
| stryngs | under that directory is a bin/ with several executables as well | 00:32 |
| stryngs | i'm trying to get it to where everything builds under bin/ | 00:32 |
| stryngs | Any ideas? | 00:32 |
| stryngs | I'm not much a wiz on this stuff, I kind of peck and make stuff happen | 00:33 |
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| stryngs | rah rah shish the community bah. Oh well, At least I got the uname -m answer =) | 00:53 |
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| bencoh | stryngs: I have no idea what you're trying to do ... building a cross binutils ? | 01:15 |
| bencoh | or a native one ? | 01:15 |
| bencoh | you shouldnt specify --build/--host for a native build | 01:15 |
| bencoh | and I still dont get why you want/need a newer binutils, btw | 01:16 |
| stryngs | bencoh, I require the most up to date gcc/cpp/g++ | 01:18 |
| stryngs | The pre-compiled deb ready one is 4.6 | 01:18 |
| stryngs | Of course in updating to 4.6, it required me to upgrade binutils to binutils2.22 | 01:18 |
| stryngs | Whenever you compile something even as simple as Hello world, there is an error | 01:18 |
| stryngs | So, to me that is unacceptable. In turn I've decided to build binutils 2.24 | 01:19 |
| stryngs | I did figure it out though =) | 01:19 |
| stryngs | Currently make installing | 01:19 |
| stryngs | Heh, and even with figuring out the --build part | 01:20 |
| stryngs | Nokia-N900:~/binutils-2.24# ls /root/binutils-deb/usr/ | 01:20 |
| stryngs | armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi bin include lib share | 01:20 |
| stryngs | Nokia-N900:~/binutils-2.24# ls /root/binutils-deb/usr/armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi/bin/ | 01:20 |
| stryngs | ar as ld ld.bfd nm objcopy objdump ranlib strip | 01:20 |
| stryngs | Nokia-N900:~/binutils-2.24# ls /root/binutils-deb/usr/bin | 01:20 |
| stryngs | addr2line ar as c++filt elfedit gprof ld ld.bfd nm objcopy objdump ranlib readelf size strings | 01:20 |
| stryngs | It still creates a seperate set of binaries | 01:20 |
| stryngs | son of a gun | 01:20 |
| stryngs | maybe it's target flag i need to use | 01:20 |
| stryngs | bencoh: In building this, I want everything under /usr/bin | 01:21 |
| stryngs | not /usr/bin and /usr/armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi/bin | 01:21 |
| stryngs | So, now we try --target flag =) | 01:22 |
| stryngs | Again I'm not much of a developer, mostly hunt and peck+ see what happens | 01:22 |
| stryngs | I've never had a Makefile create seperate sets of /bins so I'm very lost +0 | 01:23 |
| jon_y | --target is for code generators | 01:24 |
| jon_y | means what platform the package will generate code for | 01:24 |
| stryngs | So what can I do to make binutils build the binaries under /usr/bin? | 01:24 |
| jon_y | not relevant for most code | 01:25 |
| jon_y | --prefix? | 01:25 |
| stryngs | Because never before have I seen make install drop stuff under two sets of /bins | 01:25 |
| stryngs | --prefix=/usr | 01:25 |
| jon_y | /usr/armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi/bin is for internal use | 01:25 |
| jon_y | you don't need to care what goes on there | 01:25 |
| stryngs | what do you mean? | 01:25 |
| stryngs | Can I not remove it then? | 01:26 |
| jon_y | no | 01:26 |
| stryngs | can i put it in a subdir? | 01:26 |
| jon_y | means don't be anal about it, just leave it there | 01:26 |
| stryngs | vs /usr | 01:26 |
| jon_y | don't move it after install either | 01:26 |
| stryngs | i know that, but the thing is the install doesnt work jon_y | 01:26 |
| jon_y | how does it not work? | 01:26 |
| stryngs | and placing the binaries under that dir in /usr/bin overwriting /usr/bin binaries does work | 01:27 |
| jon_y | how does it failing? | 01:27 |
| stryngs | sysroot issue i think | 01:27 |
| stryngs | one sec | 01:27 |
| stryngs | let me install it | 01:27 |
| stryngs | and ill show u | 01:27 |
| stryngs | i use DESTDIR to avoid / overwriting | 01:27 |
| stryngs | Thank you for your help =) | 01:28 |
| jon_y | why do you use DESTDIR | 01:28 |
| jon_y | that is equivalent to moving it | 01:28 |
| stryngs | because I create my own debs jon_y | 01:28 |
| stryngs | i.e | 01:28 |
| jon_y | and you expect it to work? | 01:28 |
| stryngs | ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install DESTDIR=/root/deb | 01:28 |
| stryngs | cd /root/deb && mkdir DEBIAN | 01:29 |
| stryngs | cd DEBIAN | 01:29 |
| stryngs | touch control | 01:29 |
| stryngs | "create desired control file" | 01:29 |
| stryngs | cd ~! | 01:29 |
| stryngs | cd !~ | 01:29 |
| stryngs | cd ~ | 01:29 |
| stryngs | dpkg-deb -b deb . | 01:29 |
| stryngs | poof | 01:29 |
| stryngs | .deb created | 01:29 |
| stryngs | so yes, it does work jon_y | 01:29 |
| jon_y | so what was the problem? | 01:29 |
| stryngs | one sec, let me pkg up | 01:29 |
| stryngs | ill paste output | 01:29 |
| stryngs | Thank u for the help =) | 01:29 |
| stryngs | One moment, takes a minute, have to remove symlinks and such =) | 01:31 |
| * stryngs twitches | 01:31 | |
| stryngs | Nokia-N900:~# g++ a.c | 01:33 |
| stryngs | /usr/bin/ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots | 01:33 |
| stryngs | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 01:33 |
| stryngs | jon_y: There ya go | 01:33 |
| stryngs | jon_y: Per config.log it was configured via: ./configure --prefix=/usr | 01:34 |
| jon_y | the message was clear, you forgot to use --with-sysroot | 01:34 |
| jon_y | check with gcc -v to find out what the correct value is | 01:34 |
| * stryngs isn't much of a builder | 01:35 | |
| stryngs | Ok, but will this not affect future makefiles jon_y ? | 01:35 |
| stryngs | As well, the binutils2.22 .deb from the repos doesnt have the armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi/bin dir | 01:35 |
| jon_y | I don't know about your makefiles, but it is what binutils is complaining about | 01:35 |
| stryngs | So what did they do to build binutils2.22 to where everything is under /usr/bin | 01:35 |
| jon_y | also, you seem to be setting up a cross compiler | 01:36 |
| stryngs | I'm building this natievly on the n900 with binutils from gnu.org | 01:36 |
| jon_y | because the sysroot is where stuff like libc and headers will go | 01:36 |
| jon_y | this is useful for cross compiling where those stuff won't clobber the system headers/libs | 01:37 |
| jon_y | what you want to do for native gcc/binutils is to build just with --prefix | 01:37 |
| stryngs | Ok jon_y: So what can I do to create a build, much like that you find via: apt-get install binutils2.22 from the repos | 01:37 |
| stryngs | I did jon_y: ./configure --prefix=/usr | 01:37 |
| jon_y | yes, but gcc needs to be done likewise too | 01:37 |
| jon_y | right now you installed a cross compiler gcc that won't work unless sysroot is set | 01:38 |
| jon_y | and that in itself is messed up | 01:38 |
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| jon_y | basically, gcc and binutils need to be consistent around the --with-sysroot option | 01:39 |
| bencoh | stryngs: then again, you dont need --host/--target/--build | 01:39 |
| stryngs | curl http://termbin.com/txt9 | 01:39 |
| jon_y | for native, don't touch it | 01:39 |
| stryngs | but bencoh, it's not building properly | 01:40 |
| bencoh | it still has nothing to do with it | 01:40 |
| jon_y | stryngs: do what bencoh says | 01:40 |
| jon_y | no --host/--target/--build if you want native | 01:40 |
| stryngs | jon_y: I did | 01:40 |
| jon_y | also, for goodness sake, don't build in-tree | 01:40 |
| jon_y | it is not tested | 01:41 |
| bencoh | (btw, I ran a native binutils build on osx today, so I *know* you dont need those ;p) | 01:41 |
| stryngs | in-tree? | 01:41 |
| jon_y | ./configure <-- this won't work | 01:41 |
| bencoh | run configure from another directory | 01:41 |
| jon_y | build it outside the source dir | 01:41 |
| stryngs | oh, that's in tree? | 01:42 |
| stryngs | i.e. | 01:42 |
| bencoh | well, it kinda works for binutils alone, it wont if you want a full toolchain | 01:42 |
| stryngs | tar zxf source.tar.gz | 01:42 |
| stryngs | cd source | 01:42 |
| stryngs | ./confgiure | 01:42 |
| stryngs | vs- | 01:42 |
| jon_y | yes, that is in-tree | 01:42 |
| stryngs | tar zxf source.tar.gz | 01:42 |
| stryngs | source/configure | 01:42 |
| stryngs | That's proper jon_y ? | 01:42 |
| jon_y | no, use cd build | 01:42 |
| stryngs | ah | 01:42 |
| stryngs | cmake style | 01:42 |
| jon_y | cd build; ../source/configure | 01:43 |
| stryngs | I apologize for my newbieness sounding on this =) | 01:43 |
| stryngs | I do know what I'm doing with linux, just never had a build go crazy like this | 01:43 |
| stryngs | never seen a secondary set of /bin the way binutils has been doing, so i'm like wtf | 01:43 |
| jon_y | you want to try Linux From Scratch to understand the relationship better | 01:43 |
| bencoh | +1 | 01:43 |
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| bencoh | and I believe there is some doc from GNU gcc around as well | 01:44 |
| stryngs | haha, no and thanks jon_y. I don't have that kind of free time on my hand | 01:44 |
| stryngs | But i will try the non-tree build right now | 01:44 |
| stryngs | I wonder why this issue has never came up before, I've always built in-tree | 01:44 |
| jon_y | bencoh: even for binutils, in-tree build is iffy | 01:44 |
| jon_y | basically, the entire cygnus tree | 01:45 |
| stryngs | And also, bencoh and jon_y THANK you for your help. People are so damn silent in #maemo it's agravating sometimes. | 01:45 |
| bencoh | https://gcc.gnu.org/install/build.html | 01:45 |
| jon_y | yeah, take note of the possible gcc configure arguments too | 01:45 |
| stryngs | Oh i've use arguments sometimes before, but again, this issue never came up, so i felt completly lost, and googling didn't really help in this case | 01:46 |
| bencoh | stryngs: people are silent about this because it doesnt have much to do with maemo itself, and it's the kind of stuff sane people dont want to mess with :-) | 01:46 |
| stryngs | bencoh: You think people would appreciate native development on the n900 in this channel though, even if it is "insane" | 01:46 |
| bencoh | oh, I wasnt referring to native dev ... but's not completely sane as well ^^ | 01:47 |
| bencoh | that's* | 01:47 |
| stryngs | Yeah, but is this channel not for all things n900? | 01:47 |
| bencoh | jon_y: yup, iffy but "works" | 01:47 |
| jon_y | #gcc might be a better channel to ask | 01:48 |
| stryngs | yeah but most peoples linux filesystem isn't "optimized" =/ | 01:48 |
| stryngs | Specifically, when i tell people the native system layout, they are like "WTF was nokia thinking" | 01:48 |
| bencoh | but I'd rather go through the whole doc and try building before barging in #gcc :)) | 01:49 |
| jon_y | oh about that layout | 01:49 |
| stryngs | Alright, we are trying a non in-tree build jon_y | 01:49 |
| stryngs | I'm excited to see what happens | 01:49 |
| jon_y | use --prefix=/opt/my_gcc | 01:49 |
| stryngs | Not this guy =), I don't use pymaemo opt nonsense | 01:50 |
| jon_y | so it goes into the big disk area | 01:50 |
| stryngs | I have a special build for my n900 | 01:50 |
| jon_y | no seriously | 01:50 |
| stryngs | im serious | 01:50 |
| jon_y | root disk is very low on space | 01:50 |
| stryngs | i do rbinds to /home | 01:50 |
| stryngs | I know it is | 01:50 |
| stryngs | 256mb | 01:50 |
| stryngs | it sucks | 01:50 |
| stryngs | my /root has 9gb to play with | 01:50 |
| stryngs | usr does | 01:50 |
| stryngs | etc.. | 01:50 |
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| bencoh | hmm, btw ... | 01:51 |
| bencoh | you do know you could have fetched sources for gcc package in sb, and copy/build it for a newer gcc, right ? | 01:51 |
| stryngs | curl http://termbin.com/dova | 01:51 |
| stryngs | thats my layout jon_y =) | 01:51 |
| stryngs | It's a unique perspective on making the n900 more "normal" | 01:52 |
| jon_y | well, /opt /root whatever | 01:52 |
| jon_y | just be sure to set your PATH correctly | 01:53 |
| stryngs | oh yeah | 01:53 |
| stryngs | I love my n900, probably more than ya'll =) | 01:53 |
| jon_y | I have not changed my n900 either | 01:53 |
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| stryngs | You use the straight stock build for the filesystem? | 01:54 |
| jon_y | there has not been any phones that is close to being a worthy successor | 01:54 |
| stryngs | Agreed | 01:54 |
| stryngs | As a phone, personally I think it sucks | 01:54 |
| jon_y | yes, I just dump it top /opt | 01:54 |
| stryngs | I use it as an ultra laptop | 01:54 |
| stryngs | u drop all under / on /opt? | 01:55 |
| stryngs | As in u have a better layout than me? | 01:55 |
| jon_y | no, my custom stuff goes under /opt/mystuff | 01:55 |
| jon_y | its that simple | 01:55 |
| jon_y | it has the space, no need to muck around | 01:55 |
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| stryngs | you prolly build stuff within SB though eh? | 01:56 |
| jon_y | I don't use Scratch Box | 01:56 |
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| stryngs | Me either!..... So how do you build stuff? | 01:57 |
| stryngs | Do you create your own debs? | 01:57 |
| stryngs | I was never able to get the dpkg-dev stuff working properly on the n900 | 01:58 |
| stryngs | So I gave up, and learned to create a hacked version of a deb for the n900 | 01:58 |
| stryngs | But, of course it requires building natively, which can take some time to do =) | 01:58 |
| stryngs | But, it's also why you see me deal with DESTDIR | 01:58 |
| stryngs | Nifty trick though | 01:58 |
| jon_y | no, I just build and install directly into /opt/mystuff | 01:59 |
| jon_y | no debs involved | 01:59 |
| stryngs | Ah, but what if u reflash? | 01:59 |
| stryngs | How do you save your work? | 01:59 |
| stryngs | So u dont have to recompile, waste time, etc.. | 01:59 |
| jon_y | back it up first? | 01:59 |
| jon_y | its not that hard, tar it up, save to SD card | 01:59 |
| stryngs | I guess that's one way to do it =) | 01:59 |
| stryngs | I just prefer the ease of being able to dpkg -i my debs | 02:00 |
| bencoh | Sicelo: btw http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88248&page=16 (looks like it's still working) | 02:00 |
| stryngs | jon_y: Have you built openssl version I for your n900? | 02:00 |
| jon_y | no not really, but yes, I am aware of what happened | 02:01 |
| jon_y | then again, I don't really connect to the internet with it | 02:01 |
| stryngs | Ah, was hopin maybe you had. I failed to build it | 02:02 |
| stryngs | Kept failing out, couldnt figure the errors out, so gave up | 02:02 |
| stryngs | welp, it's "making" so here hoping your in-tree idea was the trick | 02:02 |
| stryngs | Evidently that is a highly googleable term | 02:02 |
| stryngs | Lots of "dont do that" advice floating around | 02:03 |
| * jon_y needs to head out to work | 02:03 | |
| jon_y | so, later | 02:03 |
| stryngs | Thanks for the help =) | 02:03 |
| * stryngs waves | 02:03 | |
| stryngs | Son of a gun, it still builds it | 02:22 |
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| stryngs | bencoh: | 03:27 |
| stryngs | -DDEFAULT_EMULATION='"armelf_linux_eabi"' \ | 03:27 |
| stryngs | -DBINDIR='"/usr/bin"' -DTOOLBINDIR='"/usr/armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi/bin"' \ | 03:27 |
| stryngs | -DTARGET='"armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi"' -DTARGET_SYSTEM_ROOT=\"\" \ | 03:27 |
| stryngs | I think I see the issue now. | 03:27 |
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| Sicelo900v6 | 23:53 < stryngs> rah rah shish the community bah. Oh well, At least I got the uname -m answer =) | 07:06 |
| Sicelo900v6 | i have a RL as well, and i believe so does everyone else | 07:06 |
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| Sicelo900v6 | bencoh: thanks :) will have a go | 07:12 |
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| chem|st | Sicelo: can you request your namechange while logged in to tmo with the contact us form please (I did not check if your accounts on garage and tmo are linked, if not you might want to do that first so the other guys know that it is really you) | 11:21 |
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| Sicelo | chem|st: they are linked | 11:23 |
| chem|st | Sicelo: ah I see, you posted in tmo | 11:23 |
| Sicelo | :) | 11:23 |
| Sicelo | should i still fill in the form? | 11:24 |
| chem|st | no is ok then, I just like to have a "verified" way to check identities first | 11:25 |
| Sicelo | thanks a lot | 11:25 |
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| chem|st | changed on tmo | 11:26 |
| Sicelo | wow. \m/ | 11:28 |
| chem|st | Some stuff might still show with your old names but links should work, I won't recover that as it takes like a whole week to recover databases | 11:28 |
| chem|st | Sicelo: for garage I do not even know if it is possible - forge might be a bitch on that | 11:30 |
| Sicelo | ok. if it works, great. if not, i can still keep my old one :) | 11:31 |
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| merlin1991 | Sicelo: ping | 16:00 |
| Vajb | hey. I have few stupid questions. Is those so called perfect setups on wiki still valid or is there more perfect one? Should i install all upgrades from extras-testing or r they still promoting them to extras? Im using cssu-stable if that matters. | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | well some things get promoted | 16:08 |
| merlin1991 | but not much is happeneing | 16:08 |
| Sicelo | merlin1991: pong | 16:11 |
| merlin1991 | about the rename thing, I can look into renaming your garage account, but talk must be done by someone else | 16:12 |
| Sicelo | chem|st already handled tmo side. thanks :) | 16:13 |
| merlin1991 | ah yeah, and no idea who has enough wiki rights todo that bit | 16:13 |
| merlin1991 | and uhm any reason why your professional webpage points to jw.com? | 16:15 |
| Sicelo | let me see? but yeah, i am one of them, and i'm working at one of their branches. should at least be jw.org however | 16:20 |
| Sicelo | yes, jw.org | 16:24 |
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| Vajb | so kinda yes and no answer :) | 16:27 |
| merlin1991 | okay I changed your garage username | 16:27 |
| merlin1991 | but I wonder where the maemo.org user is stored | 16:27 |
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| Sicelo | btw, after ./configure, make, and make install, how can i get an application scp'd to my device? what i'm asking is how do i collect all the related files into one tarball? | 16:46 |
| Sicelo | i'm not worried about deb packaging yet | 16:46 |
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| bencoh | DESTDIR=/moo/foo/bar | 16:48 |
| bencoh | should work with polite autotools stuff | 16:48 |
| freemangordon_ | Sicelo: make sure to install it in a directory you can collect it later | 16:48 |
| freemangordon_ | like make install DESTDIR=$DESTDIR or such | 16:49 |
| Sicelo | ah . thanks | 16:49 |
| Sicelo | makes sense | 16:49 |
| Veggen | there's also a program called checkinstall, that supposedly keeps track on what make install does. | 16:49 |
| Veggen | but I think installing to your own directory is preferable. | 16:50 |
| Veggen | I hate having files lying around that doesn't "belong" to something, that ownership is what you get from packagae managers or separte directory. | 16:51 |
| Sicelo | trying to build fuelpad here | 16:52 |
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| vakkov | trying to get linaro gcc 4.7.2 | 17:07 |
| vakkov | but: W: GPG error: http://maemo.merlin1991.at fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' | 17:07 |
| vakkov | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' | 17:07 |
| merlin1991 | vakkov: those are warnings, so you can continue | 17:09 |
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| vakkov | http://pastebin.com/dAiv4YGw | 17:13 |
| freemangordon_ | vakkov: disable NEON accel in pibpixman | 17:15 |
| freemangordon_ | there is some ENV var | 17:15 |
| freemangordon_ | *libpixman | 17:16 |
| freemangordon_ | vakkov: try "export PIXMAN_DISABLE=neon" | 17:18 |
| * Sicelo is happy.. at least something builds nicely in SB | 17:18 | |
| Sicelo | thanks for the help | 17:18 |
| freemangordon_ | vakkov: oh, maybe it is not "neon", but "arm-neon" | 17:19 |
| freemangordon_ | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pixman/2012-February/001790.html | 17:19 |
| vakkov | where is libsdl-gles1.2-1 | 17:43 |
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| bencoh | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped how pretty | 17:49 |
| bencoh | what are you doing with qemu on n900 btw ? | 17:49 |
| Sicelo | bencoh: SB is deprecated :p | 17:54 |
| Sicelo | just fooling around, haha | 17:54 |
| bencoh | :D | 17:54 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: garage should distribute the userdb to midgard iirc, or is this only "new users" | 18:22 |
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| warfare | chem|st: midgard authenticates agains garagedb. | 21:11 |
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| chem|st | warfare: wasn't there something with delayed update of user registration? and thanks for clearing that up. | 21:37 |
| SiceloWC | in my understanding, when building, one mostly works on X86 target in SB. then you switch over to armel target and cross-compile. my question is: while in X86, you will have run ./configure, make, & make install, and afterwards the working directory has a lot of files relating to the x86 build. when switching over to armel target, do i re-run those 3 commands, or make & make install only? | 21:41 |
| SiceloWC | for building fuelpad, i noticed that re-running all 3 commands was not sufficient. SB kept complaining about object files. Only worked after i removed all the other files. Did I do something wrong, and how to do this right? | 21:42 |
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| Ras_Older | I'm feeling tired and really lazy - as usual. I just got a sms to my phone and I can't get my lazy ass up for that.. Yeah yeah I know. Is there a way to read that sms from the terminal if I SSH to my phone? *yawn* | 23:01 |
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| Ras_Older | ehm nevermind here it is -> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038760&postcount=2 | 23:09 |
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| Sicelo | ~ask | 23:27 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 23:27 |
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| merlin1991 | chem|st: only new users | 23:56 |
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