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| arvut | hi! is this channel still alive? | 11:02 |
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| arvut | anyway, has anyone successfully remapped keys (physical as well as xkb) to a dvorak layout on the n900? | 11:02 |
| arvut | I feel it needs to be done on my n900 | 11:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | arvut: yes it's alive | 11:03 |
| arvut | I found a post about the xkb part, but I'm not so sure if the physical keys are modifiable | 11:03 |
| arvut | sixwheeledbeast: =) | 11:04 |
| arvut | sixwheeledbeast: any development on maemo these days? | 11:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | arvut: yes. #maemo-ssu and #neo900 | 11:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~fptf | 11:06 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 11:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~cssu | 11:06 |
| infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 11:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | arvut: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard | 11:07 |
| arvut | haha I like that name, fremantle porting taskforce :P | 11:07 |
| drathir | mornin... | 11:10 |
| arvut | sixwheeledbeast: still doesn't explain/confirm if the physical keys are move'able or not. I wanna build a dvorak layout on the qwerty keyboard that the device was shipped with | 11:10 |
| arvut | drathir: morning! | 11:10 |
| drathir | arvut: if good remember is full remap of keys available... | 11:12 |
| * drathir now also have diff keys behaviour in fresh one n900 and old one... | 11:12 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | arvut: AFAIK it is all one sheet, there are different versions depending on region but not dvorak | 11:13 |
| arvut | well, I have all the keys I need for a pretty solid dvorak variant (swedish in my case) but if I can't detach the keys and move them then thats worthless | 11:13 |
| arvut | sixwheeledbeast: meh.. there goes my grand plans I guess | 11:14 |
| arvut | does sailfishOS install on the n900 btw? | 11:14 |
| arvut | probably wrong place to ask, but someone in here might have tried it =) | 11:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's not like a standard kbd where you can pull the button off and move them. | 11:15 |
| arvut | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, probably not | 11:15 |
| arvut | would be smashing if you could tho, but i guess it would have been broken too easily if it were. | 11:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | arvut: possibly, but still parts of Maemo are closed so not all will work, call-ui etc etc | 11:15 |
| arvut | I used to run irssi quite a lot on my n900, typed massive amounts of text | 11:16 |
| arvut | right | 11:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | N900 was designed for and with Maemo so this is the best OS for it IMHO. | 11:17 |
| arvut | yeah but it works as a tablet for other distros, there is even a guy who has successfully installed gentoo on it :P | 11:17 |
| arvut | which is my main desktop distro | 11:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I don't see the point of a "tablet" myself. I have N900 and desktop cba with anything inbetween with less usability than either. | 11:20 |
| arvut | I don't use my n900 for phone-functions nowadays anyway, thats what my n9 is for (and it has such a horrible batterylife nowadays so I'm considering getting some newer hardware that has replaceable battery) | 11:23 |
| arvut | jolla and fairphone are options atm | 11:26 |
| bencoh | mornin' | 11:30 |
| bencoh | arvut: you can remap your keys | 11:31 |
| bencoh | see rx-51 somewhere in X11 conf | 11:31 |
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| arvut | bencoh: yeah, found out how to do that but not the actual physical keyboard remapping, as sixwheeledbeast mentioned, its all in one sheet | 11:43 |
| arvut | so remapping to dvorak while still using qwerty layout would confuse things | 11:43 |
| bencoh | oh well | 11:45 |
| bencoh | I'm using qwertyish mapping on a qwertz keyboard with special chars remapped | 11:46 |
| bencoh | so it's usable | 11:46 |
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| antranigv | greeings, need help ? anyone ? | 14:42 |
| antranigv | I've changed the default SHELL to bash, and now I'm stuck in a boot loop | 14:43 |
| antranigv | the other "good news" is that my USB port is broken | 14:43 |
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| kerio | antranigv: do you have backupmenu installed? | 14:49 |
| kerio | and does it work? | 14:49 |
| antranigv | no I dont ( | 14:49 |
| kerio | do you have uboot installed? | 14:49 |
| antranigv | I have that Android thing boot menu | 14:50 |
| hurrian | multiboot? | 14:50 |
| kerio | does it work? | 14:50 |
| hurrian | oh no | 14:50 |
| antranigv | yupp | 14:50 |
| kerio | well at least you have *some* working system then | 14:50 |
| hurrian | antranigv: boot Android, install a terminal emulator, then set /bin/sh back to ash | 14:51 |
| kerio | can you get to the menu? | 14:51 |
| antranigv | it's just busybox problem, edited a file | 14:51 |
| antranigv | no I can't | 14:51 |
| antranigv | android is not installed :( | 14:51 |
| kerio | "just a" | 14:51 |
| kerio | well | 14:51 |
| kerio | if you can't get a running system, you're fucked | 14:51 |
| antranigv | what about RescuOS ? | 14:51 |
| kerio | is it installed? | 14:52 |
| kerio | do you have a working usb port? | 14:52 |
| antranigv | I can just fix the USB port and then reflash it | 14:52 |
| kerio | if the answer to both questions is "no", then you're still fucked | 14:52 |
| kerio | oh of course | 14:52 |
| kerio | ~usbfix | 14:52 |
| infobot | it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt | 14:52 |
| antranigv | kerio: where can I find the reflasher for GNU ? | 14:54 |
| antranigv | and the rootfs I think ? | 14:54 |
| kerio | ~0xffff | 14:54 |
| infobot | [0xffff] https://gitorious.org/0xffff/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 | 14:54 |
| kerio | ~pr131 | 14:54 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 14:54 |
| kerio | i recommend Pali's 0xffff | 14:54 |
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| antranigv | kerio: so first I should fix the USB | 14:56 |
| kerio | if you can, yes | 14:57 |
| antranigv | then flash rescue OS to change the file | 14:57 |
| antranigv | cool | 14:57 |
| kerio | with a working usb port there's pretty much nothing you can do to render your n900 unoperable | 14:57 |
| kerio | like, software-wise | 14:57 |
| antranigv | to bad here in Europe you cant find fixers, | 14:57 |
| kerio | you don't flash rescueOS, you load it | 14:58 |
| antranigv | ahh :D can the 0xFFFF do that ? | 14:59 |
| kerio | yes | 14:59 |
| antranigv | I love community based phones B| now I need to buy Jolla :D | 15:00 |
| kerio | jolla is about as "community" as a samsung galaxy, really | 15:00 |
| antranigv | really ? | 15:01 |
| antranigv | wow | 15:01 |
| kerio | that's what i gathered, at least | 15:01 |
| antranigv | but N900's community was/is the best | 15:01 |
| kerio | sailfish is still not a linux desktop OS :c | 15:01 |
| antranigv | should be ? )) but the N900 is some kind of desktop OS | 15:02 |
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| kerio | x11 with a small-screen-focused window manager | 15:02 |
| kerio | pulseaudio | 15:03 |
| kerio | dbus for IPC | 15:03 |
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| Humpelstilzchen | need a maemo port for jolla | 15:06 |
| antranigv | anyone knows anyone in the Neterlands who can fix my USB port ? :( | 15:09 |
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| kerio | meh, if you really want a slightly more recent n900, there's the neo900 project | 15:09 |
| antranigv | can we buy the Neo900 ? they are not out yet I think | 15:10 |
| kerio | well, it's not even going to run anything as soon as it's out | 15:10 |
| kerio | hopefully it won't take much for fptf to release something that works, tho | 15:10 |
| Luke-Jr | I'm currently leaning toward the Pyra myself | 15:11 |
| kerio | but it's a console | 15:13 |
| kerio | afaik the omap5 is not that good for phones | 15:13 |
| kerio | due to dubious design choices | 15:13 |
| Luke-Jr | if people wanted phones, they wouldn't be interested in N900 either | 15:14 |
| kerio | i was interested in the n900 because it's a desktop linux that also works really well as a phone | 15:14 |
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| bencoh | anyway maemo isnt that good ... it's leaky and half of it is still closed-source ... and jolla is basically a qualcomm "spy" ... I really dont see why you'd want those together | 15:59 |
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| Wikiwide | bencoh: Have you heard about Fremantle Porting Task Force ? They are basically reverse-engineering closed-source bits so that Maemo 5 would be portable, working and open-source. | 16:01 |
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| Wikiwide | And, memory leaks are being fixed. MCE is wholly Reverse-Engineered, for example, and better than stock :) | 16:04 |
| kerio | bme has an opensource in-kernel alternative that works better than bme_rx51 | 16:04 |
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| bencoh | meh, he left :( | 16:12 |
| bencoh | it's being RE for legacy reasons, not because it's awesome :) | 16:13 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: it's being REed so we'll be able to but it on other HW as well | 16:23 |
| freemangordon | *put | 16:23 |
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| kerio | hey | 16:34 |
| kerio | nokia has made some questionable decisions | 16:34 |
| kerio | but they still managed to squeeze some more than decent battery life out of a linux distro | 16:35 |
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| bencoh | true | 16:36 |
| bencoh | got to admit that :) | 16:36 |
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| stryngs | DAMN | 19:34 |
| stryngs | DAMN you! | 19:34 |
| stryngs | /usr/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.22 assertion fail ../../bfd/elf32-arm.c:11467 | 19:34 |
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| freemangordon | stryngs: ignore that, it is harmless | 19:39 |
| stryngs | bah | 19:39 |
| stryngs | Im building 2.24 as we speak | 19:39 |
| stryngs | But, thank you for the heads up =) | 19:39 |
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| freemangordon | stryngs: for SB? | 19:40 |
| stryngs | nope, directly on my n900 | 19:40 |
| stryngs | I don't use sb | 19:40 |
| stryngs | i make my own debs too =), just not the conventional way | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | :) | 19:41 |
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| stryngs | Do you use SB freemangordon ? | 19:42 |
| stryngs | If so, why not just directly build on the n900? | 19:42 |
| Sc0rpius | because it is VERY SLOW | 19:43 |
| stryngs | Overclock, it works fine Sc0rpius =) | 19:43 |
| Sc0rpius | even so, building in the N900 takes several minutes | 19:43 |
| Sc0rpius | and building in your Linux PC takes seconds | 19:44 |
| Sc0rpius | well also I guess you're just building | 19:44 |
| Sc0rpius | but if you're developing directly in the N900, now that's gonna hurt :P | 19:44 |
| stryngs | Sc0rpius: Does the n900 allow you to build a .deb in the local environment? | 19:44 |
| stryngs | all the dpkg tools are for the SB, which sucks =( | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | stryngs: imagine you have to build Qt or gecko | 19:46 |
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| freemangordon | or openssl, or... | 19:46 |
| Sc0rpius | I think the tools are available for the N900 and you can run dpkg-buildpackage in the N900 | 19:46 |
| Sc0rpius | but it's just ... insane | 19:46 |
| Sc0rpius | Qt would take days, literally :) | 19:47 |
| Sc0rpius | you know I have a Raspberry Pi | 19:47 |
| Sc0rpius | and it has the same CPU than a N900 | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | hmm, no | 19:47 |
| Sc0rpius | well it's pretty similar | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | it is arm11 iirc | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | but teah, pretty similar performance | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | *yeah | 19:48 |
| Sc0rpius | it's an ARM11 yes 700 MHz | 19:48 |
| Sc0rpius | pretty similar to the N900 | 19:48 |
| Sc0rpius | building XBMC took a whole day | 19:48 |
| Sc0rpius | now I just grab the .deb | 19:48 |
| Sc0rpius | actually the Raspberry Pi CPU is a little faster ;) | 19:49 |
| bencoh | scratchbox can be a pain sometimes but it's still faster than native build | 19:51 |
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| freemangordon | a week or so | 20:04 |
| Sc0rpius | heheheh | 20:05 |
| stryngs | hah | 20:05 |
| stryngs | 10 mins | 20:05 |
| stryngs | =) | 20:05 |
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| stryngs | Now if this clears the /usr/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.22 assertion fail ../../bfd/elf32-arm.c:11467 issue, would anyone here want the .deb? | 20:06 |
| stryngs | I provide logs and whatnot of the build process | 20:06 |
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| Sicelo | which twitter client do you recommend for N900? | 22:25 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: I only think one is working I can't remember which tho | 22:27 |
| bencoh | tweetian maybe ? | 22:28 |
| bencoh | (I dont use twitter so I dont really know) | 22:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | most haven't been updated to the new API | 22:28 |
| Sicelo | ok. heh | 22:31 |
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| gogogogo | hello everybody | 22:45 |
| gogogogo | I have a strange thing to ask you.. my n900 isn't receiving texts from Windows phones when they use emoticons | 22:46 |
| gogogogo | I get all the others, what do you think? | 22:46 |
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| gogogogo | even texts from those phones as long as they don't use emoticons | 22:48 |
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| Sc0rpius | what do you receive instead? | 22:50 |
| Sc0rpius | or you just don't receive anything? | 22:50 |
| Sc0rpius | Windows Phone emoticons as long as I know are just Unicode characters, you should at least see some blocks in the text since in the N900 they are invalid characters | 22:50 |
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| gogogogo | mmm | 22:51 |
| gogogogo | I receive the plain unicode punctuation emoticons | 22:51 |
| gogogogo | but all the others just don't get to my inbox | 22:52 |
| gogogogo | those phones have little whats'app-like thingies.. | 22:52 |
| Sc0rpius | I know | 22:52 |
| Sc0rpius | but what I'm asking is | 22:52 |
| Sc0rpius | are you not receiving the emoticons or are you not receiving the whole SMS message? | 22:53 |
| Sc0rpius | (are we talking about SMS right?) | 22:53 |
| gogogogo | yes, SMS | 22:53 |
| gogogogo | I don't receive the whole SMS, as if it had never been sent | 22:53 |
| Sc0rpius | oh so the whole SMS is lost | 22:53 |
| gogogogo | yes, incredibly | 22:53 |
| Sc0rpius | well | 22:53 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder if when you add an emoticon in a Windows Phone the messages it turned from SMS to MMS | 22:54 |
| Sc0rpius | if that's the case, you need to install an MMS software in the N900 to receive it | 22:54 |
| gogogogo | that's what I thought too | 22:54 |
| Sc0rpius | N900 can't receive MMS natively | 22:55 |
| gogogogo | I should check it out by monitoring the credit charges | 22:55 |
| Sc0rpius | so try installing fMMS | 22:55 |
| gogogogo | I found out today I can't get MMS ;) this means I can absolutely do without | 22:55 |
| Sc0rpius | you can get MMS, you just need an app for that | 22:56 |
| gogogogo | but that's incredible that the community was able to add such a feature. Maemo is my idea of technology. | 22:56 |
| gogogogo | anyway, I'll have to check the charges per each sms/mms | 22:56 |
| gogogogo | to realize if they ship as pictures or unicode characters to be replaced with a pic | 22:57 |
| gogogogo | do you agree? | 22:57 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah I guess | 22:59 |
| gogogogo | thank you then | 23:00 |
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| gogogogo | I guess I'll get back to you when I know more | 23:00 |
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| bencoh | hmm, I'm not a fan of graphical file browsers, but Hamster Filer really looks nice :) | 23:31 |
| bencoh | and feels nice too | 23:32 |
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| hello123 | hi all | 23:57 |
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