IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2014-08-21

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wizbithow can i sync my n900 mmc1 and a directory on my linux box?00:05
wizbiti dont want anything to be deleted on either but would like them to sync00:05
wizbitso if i backup my n900 that will sync onto my linux directory and if i add music to the linux directory it gets synced to mmc1 on my N90000:06
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wizbithttps://owncloud.org/00:15
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dima5`Hi all. I'd like to get a chroot to build maemo applications. Are the instructions on maemo.org still the preferred method? (download and run some Nokia install script to get their sdk + scratchbox)02:40
dima5`On some level all I want is an apt repo that has their library dependencies, not a full "sdk", whatever that is02:40
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bencohthe manual method from the wiki is still up-to-date/accurate (for wheezy)02:50
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bencohdima5`: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation02:52
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dima5`ok, thanks much02:54
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dima5`Another (completely different) question. I just discovered that the public transit agency in my city has a web api to get bus positions and arrival predictions. I'd like to modify some already-existing maemo application to use this information. I see a number of apps such as this on the web. Any particular one people find good (and not dead upstream)? Another option is to add something to mappero, but that's definitely dead upstream03:07
kerioidk, maybe modrana?03:09
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dima5`is it good? Is that what you use?03:14
dima5`(installing the dev stuff still, and trying out modrana now)03:15
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dima5`holy moly. modrana is extremely slow on the n900. I'm guessing it's mostly written in python, and this is why. kerio: do you use this on the n900, or on some newer device?03:25
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dima5`OK, another question. Years ago I submitted a patch to a mappero bug at garage.maemo.org. Looking at the tracker, I can't figure out how to download the file. Applies to other people's patches too. Can somebody point me to the download link here: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6386&group_id=29&atid=18506:14
dima5`Otherwise, is that tracker simply broken?06:15
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sixwheeledbeastyes it's python10:08
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bencohdima5`: marble desktop still receives KDE support ... marble n900 hasnt been updated for a while but that could be a good start I guess :)11:13
dima5`looking. Thanks11:13
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dima5`whoa. That's a fun application11:15
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huarioCan anyone help me with Skype calls on the n900? I can sign in on my Skype account, but if I try to search for contacts, I get "search operation failed"14:59
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huario(I'm following the instructions at https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10862/how-do-i-use-skype-on-my-nokia-n900#4)14:59
huarioAlternatively, if I click "New contact" and add their Skype ID, I can only IM them, but not call.15:00
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Luke-Jrhuario: at this point, I would assume it doesn't work.16:38
Luke-Jrhuario: Skype has changed their codecs at least once making their PC software incompatible with N90016:39
Luke-JrI wouldn't be shocked to learn they made it so you can no longer connect at all16:39
huarionice16:39
hurrianfwiw, Skype just sent out an email noting that older versions of Skype will cease to work16:43
hurrianeven Skype IP phones will stop working in 2015 iirc16:44
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DocScrutinizer51well, iirc skype is M$ property now,18:12
DocScrutinizer51or is it still with ebay?18:12
DocScrutinizer51anyway, skype is evil18:13
astrmumble.nexunity.org18:26
Sicelohow does one completely delete their skype account?18:28
kerioastr: it's not like murmurd is hard to install18:28
keriobesides, mumble is optimized for low latency, not low power consumption18:29
astrkerio, what do you mean hard to install?18:29
astrwhat about power consumption?18:29
kerioregarding mumble on n90018:29
astroh18:29
Sicelointeresting -- not 'really' possible to delete a skype account. wow18:30
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drathirhi...19:59
drathiranyone have idea how to debug n900 not readind sim card issue?19:59
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drathirafter phone start asking for pin when chosed say wrong oone 3attemps left, after write pin again accepted but say something only emergency calls possible and close to time at desktop is sim card one side crossed red line...20:02
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freemangordondrathir: check for suspicious messages in the syslog20:34
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Guest98879can somebody tell me about the apt-get in n900? why it can get packages on n900 from nokia0 but not on other devices ?20:53
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DocScrutinizer05javispedro: ping21:13
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wizbit2x things are missing my my N900, the ability to use some kind of cloud sync service like dropbox / owncloud and the ability to access my linux service media files remotely, i wonder if there are solutions?21:13
wizbitanybody use sshfs to access files on a n900?21:14
bencohI stopped using sshfs a loong time ago (be it on a regular computer or a phone :)21:15
DocScrutinizer05all the time21:15
DocScrutinizer05err sftp21:16
wizbitsftp is for downloading rather than accessing files?21:16
wizbiti like the ability to browse my media files on my linux service using my phone21:16
wizbit*would21:16
DocScrutinizer05xy?21:17
wizbitimagine how cool it would be if i could access my music collection on my linux box using my phone remotely21:17
wizbiti think sshfs is the only solution21:17
DocScrutinizer05yeah, xy21:18
wizbitmaybe the n900 file browser would then play them using open media player21:18
DocScrutinizer05~xy21:18
infobotwell, xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.21:18
javispedroping DocScrutinizer0521:18
javispedro*pong21:18
wizbitwow i found a owncloud client for maemo and it looks pretty uptodate :D21:21
wizbitbut its cli only, that might be ideal for syncing mmc1 to my linux box21:21
wizbitthen next mission is to get sshfs working21:22
wizbitthen i could drop some music into a directory on linux box then it will automatically sync to my phone21:23
Guest98879can somebody tell me how to use apt-mirror? it gives access denied for nokia repos21:24
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wizbitGuest98879: use the built in appliction installer21:31
Guest98879??21:32
Guest98879i want to get nokia repos on my computer to have them offline.21:32
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wizbiteeek didnt know you can do that21:32
Guest98879really?21:34
Guest98879its in maemo wiki21:34
Guest98879i can get other repos but nokia repos gives me error21:35
keriothere's some authentication21:35
keriobut i have no idea what that entails21:35
Guest98879i live in iran and nokia has blocked my reqular access but on n900 with proxy i can download them but with wget i cant21:35
Guest98879doesn't nokia use apt-get?21:36
kerioyeah yeah21:36
kerioit's dpkg's downloading21:36
keriobut there's some things they check i guess21:36
Guest98879no21:36
Guest98879apt-get21:36
Guest98879dpkg installs21:36
kerioyes, yes21:36
Guest98879apt-get download21:36
Guest98879i dont know of a way to get apt-get useragent on n90021:37
Guest98879that would have been progress21:37
kerio/etc/apt/auth apparently21:37
kerionot sure if that's an http password or what21:37
kerioalso i'm not sure if technically this would be copyright infringement or EULA violation21:38
keriobut i don't think anyone will actually complain if you're only going to use the repository for your n900 anyway21:38
Guest98879nokia "technically" abondaned me so.....21:38
keriothat, too21:38
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wizbitnearly got sshfs working if i create a directory in /media the file browser picks it up :D just created ssh keys22:11
kerioomg22:11
* wizbit feels like a wild cat22:12
keriou so gud22:12
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wizbitdam the file browser shows no files22:17
wizbitbut if i use cli the mount exists22:17
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DocScrutinizer05forget the stock filemanager22:21
DocScrutinizer05it only shows uSD and eMMC FAT32 (aka MNyDocs) volumes22:22
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DocScrutinizer05but sshfs sucks, it stalls on every roaming or reconnect of your N90022:23
DocScrutinizer05not exactly what you usualy want to use22:23
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drathirfreemangordon: oh thanks even dont thinked about that sim card debug info could be stored somewhere...22:25
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wizbitgot sshfs working but its _slow_22:36
bencohyou bet it is22:39
wizbitim going to install mplayer22:40
wizbitand see if that is faster22:41
bencohfaster than ?22:41
wizbiti wonder if mocp exists22:41
bencohomp/nokia player ?22:41
wizbitthat the File manager22:41
bencoho22:41
bencohoh*.22:41
Sicelowizbit: said no dropbox, or you meant auto-sync?22:41
wizbitthan the File manager22:41
wizbitSicelo: im using sshfs at the moment22:41
Siceloi can see that, hehe. i'm asking about dropbox22:42
wizbitdrop N900 doesnt working anymore22:43
wizbitits discontinued22:43
Siceloit still works :)22:44
wizbithttps://github.com/jonnenauha/DropN90022:45
wizbitread the update bit22:46
wizbitit shoudnt work22:46
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Sicelocheck TMO sir22:46
wizbitTMO?22:46
Sicelo~tmo22:46
infobotsomebody said tmo was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.22:46
Sicelothe second one22:46
Siceloi'm right now browsing my dropbox files on my N90022:47
wizbitwhat application are you using22:47
SiceloDropN90022:49
Sicelosomeone figured how to 'fix' it22:49
wizbithttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1340431&postcount=44322:51
wizbitSicelo: does it run fast?22:51
Sicelowhat do you mean by 'fast'?22:52
wizbitif you have a mp3 on your dropbox can the media player play it?22:52
Sicelonever tried that22:54
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Sicelowhen talking about Media Player, do not forget Tracker ... In short, I think trying to use DropN900 in that way would most likely end in disappointment22:55
wizbitok22:55
wizbitSicelo: can you view photos or text documents using dropbox?22:56
Sicelotracker again :D22:56
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wizbitso tracker reads your dropbox partition?22:56
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Sicelothere is no such partition wizbit22:56
wizbitso your dropbox just reads?22:57
Siceloeven the 'desktop' ones do a complete download afaict22:57
wizbityep22:57
Siceloso i don't quite get what you're asking ... once the file is in N900, tracker will obviously be able to view/play it. there is no way to 'stream' (at least as far as i can see)22:58
wizbiti see22:59
wizbitall i want to do is sync mmc1 to a directory on my linux box so i can add music to it and let it sync to my phone23:00
wizbiti might use owncloud instead23:00
sixwheeledbeastrsync?23:00
Siceloyes, rsync for that :)23:00
wizbitrsync is not designed for that23:00
kerioyes it is23:00
wizbitrsync is 1 way23:00
sixwheeledbeastnope23:00
kerioit's designed precisely to sync directories23:00
sixwheeledbeast:nod: hence the word sync23:01
wizbitimage mmc1 contains a new backup on my phone and mmc1 directory contains a new music file23:01
wizbiti want them both to be synced23:01
wizbitboth ways23:01
wizbiteven a rsync dev said its not designed for that23:01
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sixwheeledbeastI don't see why not.23:03
Siceloeven if it was one way .. can't you do 2-pass then? box > N900, then N900 > box?23:03
javispedroyou can, albeit it's a bit painful23:03
wizbiti think owncloud is the solution, if i run that on my server it gives me other uses23:03
wizbitlike playing music at friends house23:04
wizbithttp://www.linux.org/attachments/cloud-files-png.57/23:04
wizbitlooks good23:04
wizbitdropbox is good but your limited with space23:04
wizbitwouldnt you rather run your 'own cloud' :P23:05
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javispedrowhy run a cloud at all when you can sync your devices in a decentralized way via local Wi-Fi23:06
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wizbitjavispedro: how?23:07
wizbitunison?23:07
javispedrofor example, run automagically when the two devices are in the same local network23:08
wizbitthat would be amazing23:08
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wizbitthen my backups would be saved to my linux box and new music added to my phone automatically once my phone is in my wireless network23:09
wizbiti wonder if there is any software what can do that23:09
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javispedroI don't think so, I was interested on that at some point and made some prototype23:10
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javispedrothe sync part was slow and I never trusted it with my real data though (always did one-way sync only)23:10
javispedroprobably though23:10
javispedroone could script something with unison23:11
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sixwheeledbeasthttp://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#backup23:12
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wizbitsixwheeledbeast: nice linux a cron job for rsync would be good for backing up the phone23:26
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wizbitthen i could create a another rsync script what copies music the other way23:27
sixwheeledbeastyep23:27
wizbiti could activate that one manually23:27
wizbitthats a lot easier than setting up clouds23:27
wizbitthanks :D23:28
sixwheeledbeastnp23:28
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sixwheeledbeastgrr ... v6 dns issues23:33
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ecc3gI hope someday my isp will give me reverse lookup for my ipv6 address...23:38
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bencohrsync is fucking slow on n900, even on top of usbnet23:57
bencoh(well rsync over ssh at least)23:59

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