| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: hi! :) | 00:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I used Modrana to track while walking Snowdon last week | 00:03 |
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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: nice! did it work fine ? :) | 00:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: unfortunately not :( | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | aww | 00:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I had sigx issues several times | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: sorry, requires a registering I'm not willing to do | 00:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | which eventually killed the battery | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, it would probably be fine with screen off as a logging-only device | 00:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you know, black screen with the backlight on. | 00:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Anyway some feedback... | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | I wonder if there is some recent change that made it worse regarding the SGX crash... | 00:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Tried with my usual setup, black screen issue after ~30 minutes. | 00:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | then with swap on device in stock location, black screen after ~5 minutes. | 00:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | then swap on device and power kernel at stock settings, black screen after ~5 miuntes | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | that's interesting | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | looks like the faster (?) it can, the faster it happens | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | maybe some sort of out of memory issue ? | 00:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | However, I had good results by setting the tracking settings to 5secs log, 1minute record. | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | that would indeed happen faster with on device swap | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | it did influence the crash ? | 00:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: did which influence the crash? | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK | I mean if memory consumption might be influencing it | 00:13 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I seemed to work out that longer logging and saving periods stopped the crashing. The OTB 1sec/10sec settings cause issues. | 00:14 |
| M4rtinK | could you try something like running a script that runs free>memory.log every 10 seconds ? | 00:14 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, that's strange | 00:14 |
| M4rtinK | that indeed should be pretty much independent of graphics | 00:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Example I logged the trip home in the car fine for ~2hours with log 5sec/save 1min | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | well it uses GObject timers | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | so there might be a race condition that does not trigger if the timer is longer | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | well, I guess all at this to the docs as a potential workaround | 00:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also some other feedback, I seem to be dumped out of the menus if I select some options this is not ideal. | 00:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Say for example changing the colour of a tracklog | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | dumped ? | 00:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Sorry, as in back to the map screen :) | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | oh, yeah - it should go back to the submenu, not to map | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | ok, noted :) | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, there is a few other such kinks | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | for example long pressing the back button should always return you back to the map | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | but there are still some menus that don't do that :D | 00:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | okay I didn't know that | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | (as the back button handling was no united in early modRana development and old code is still lurking) | 00:20 |
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| M4rtinK | well, it is not very discoverable & modRana lacks a proper manual | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | so now you know it :) | 00:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :D also changing the "mode" does this but I feel this is useful. | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | also you can zoom by volume buttons :) | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that is working as intended | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | sometimes it is on purpose - and sometimes by mistake :) | 00:23 |
| M4rtinK | any reports how to improve the GUI are of course welcome | 00:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: the only other thing I struggle to reproduce is a crash. If I scroll around the map with "dragging on full redraw" if I have lots of tiles downloading it can crash. However, I fail to reproduce it in a terminal for any output :( | 00:26 |
| M4rtinK | well, there is a lot of outdated & hacked together libs that can go boom :) | 00:30 |
| M4rtinK | on Maemo | 00:30 |
| M4rtinK | one library segfaulting while being called by Python | 00:31 |
| M4rtinK | and the only output you normally get is the line: "segmentation fault" :) | 00:32 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: it's ok, I just hate intermittent issues. I like to provide some debug information with my reports, even if it's segfault :) | 00:32 |
| M4rtinK | well, you can tell modRana to always log to file | 00:35 |
| M4rtinK | once started | 00:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Are there any other hidden shortcuts with Modrana? besides holding back button that is :) | 00:35 |
| M4rtinK | so that should give you something once you get another crash | 00:35 |
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| M4rtinK | you can zoom with volume buttons | 00:41 |
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| M4rtinK | but I think that's pretty much it | 00:42 |
| M4rtinK | maybe some less apparent functionality | 00:42 |
| M4rtinK | like setting your position on a POI | 00:43 |
| M4rtinK | batch updating only the tiles you have | 00:43 |
| M4rtinK | the configurable widgets | 00:43 |
| M4rtinK | telling modRana not to download/store map tiles | 00:43 |
| M4rtinK | moving the various folders (tiles, tracklogs, etc.) | 00:43 |
| M4rtinK | with config values | 00:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Only thinking you could have a "quick guide" in the info menu for the shortcuts? I guess the keyboard keys aren't used to move about the menus? | 00:44 |
| M4rtinK | well, not yet | 00:44 |
| M4rtinK | would be indeed a nice addition :) | 00:45 |
| M4rtinK | I've been thinking about adding support for the gamegripper :) | 00:45 |
| M4rtinK | like moving the map/navigating if you have mittens :) | 00:45 |
| M4rtinK | would be fun :) | 00:46 |
| M4rtinK | also a bit hidden functionality | 00:46 |
| M4rtinK | modRana has various CLI options | 00:46 |
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| M4rtinK | you can for example tell it to search for the nearest pizza and show the results | 00:47 |
| M4rtinK | it even handles all the stuff like waiting for connectivity and GPS to become available :) | 00:47 |
| M4rtinK | this was added for the Saera speech recognition app to use :) | 00:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well I like the popular "qwer" option. mapping the buttons to letters in order like many Qt apps do. OMP for example. | 00:49 |
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| M4rtinK | how does it work ? | 00:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It there a way/option to start modrana fullscreen? | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | accelerators based on labels or is it based on position ? | 00:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so for example the first button is Q and the second button is W etc etc | 00:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | position | 00:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | CSSU hildon desktop is the same | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | well, buttons can get a bit blurry in modRana :) | 00:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so in task switcher Q will open first task and E will open 3rd task | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | a lot of stuff is clickable and is not really a button :) | 00:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ctrl and Q will close the first task. | 00:52 |
| M4rtinK | but I guess it wouldn't be hard to do at least for the main menus | 00:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Something I use regularly. | 00:52 |
| M4rtinK | lists | 00:52 |
| M4rtinK | back button, etc | 00:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: even the backspace and arrows would be helpful for the keyboard uses. | 00:53 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 00:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Is there a way/option to start modrana fullscreen? | 00:55 |
| M4rtinK | I've used keyboard shortcusts quite extensively in the original Clutter based Mieru GUI | 00:55 |
| M4rtinK | not yet but I've added a RFE for it :) | 00:55 |
| M4rtinK | should be easy to add :) | 00:56 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I'm adding all your feedback as issues here: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues/ :) | 00:56 |
| M4rtinK | fell free to comment, track progress, etc. :) | 00:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: I have been. Also a request to add a close button as a menu box. If you are in fullscreen there is no way to close the application ;) | 00:58 |
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| M4rtinK | sure there is :) | 01:02 |
| M4rtinK | in the power button menu | 01:02 |
| M4rtinK | but that kinda killalls the application :) | 01:03 |
| M4rtinK | also modRana already can show & does show a close button in the menu | 01:03 |
| M4rtinK | it is just not enabled on the N900 | 01:04 |
| M4rtinK | but I guess I can add switch | 01:04 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | M4rtinK: how about making streetname display fontsize user selectable? Or zoom in further on a given zommlevel of map data, whatever is needed tomake those names readable | 01:51 |
| M4rtinK | that's part of the the tile image | 01:52 |
| M4rtinK | and it gets it already rendered | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | when I zoom in, it momentarily shows zl16 in a magnified size so I could read names, but then it loads zl17 and names shrink again to illegibiity | 01:53 |
| M4rtinK | I'm not aware of implementing this functionality :) | 01:53 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, you can set a scale factor | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if I don't mix that up with another app now | 01:54 |
| M4rtinK | that should increase readability at the cost of blurriness | 01:54 |
| M4rtinK | some apps do what you describe but modRana not (well, yet) | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that sounds exactly waht I'm looking for | 01:54 |
| M4rtinK | its an ofte used trick | 01:54 |
| M4rtinK | to show something to the user before you actually have the data | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: | 01:55 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: Options->Map->Scaling | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I have same problem with mappero and marble as well | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-D | 01:55 |
| M4rtinK | well, In modRana you just set the scale and that's it :) | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lemme test that right away :) | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nice! many thanks! Now I only wish tha map data would actually *provide* street names for Barbate, Spain | 02:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well it would help if Barbate had OSM streetnames on the tiles :) | 02:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I put a few on for you ;) | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | really? wow! | 02:03 |
| M4rtinK | well, fire up OSM2GO and get mapping! :) | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's pretty hard since often you can't find signs here either | 02:04 |
| M4rtinK | I've actually done just that once in a small village - started with a road and nothing else | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | street name plates | 02:05 |
| M4rtinK | left with all streets, houses, bigger tracks, important POIs, etc. :) | 02:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the issue with Barbate is the roads need major editing to get the street names correct. Hence why I only did ~5 | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is there away to exploit google map? | 02:06 |
| M4rtinK | http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.78082/16.20983 <- there was pey uch | 02:06 |
| M4rtinK | *pretty much just that loop | 02:06 |
| M4rtinK | nothing else before :) | 02:06 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: you can't | 02:07 |
| M4rtinK | you can't use license incompatible commercial map layers for OSM mapping | 02:07 |
| M4rtinK | some allow that (Bing aerial, really), but Google does not | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure. Iasked about using it in modrana | 02:08 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, sure it is there :) | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I know it's prolly 'illegal' | 02:08 |
| M4rtinK | and a few others | 02:08 |
| M4rtinK | well, use it at your own risk | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, so I just need to select google layer? | 02:09 |
| M4rtinK | the default is the OSM Mapnik layer, the rest is left to user discretion :) | 02:09 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (hint hint: no real hints, no helpfile) | 02:09 |
| M4rtinK | you know modRana has a boatload if different map layers, right ? | 02:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: I did say that last week... | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no, I actually know pretty little about modrana | 02:10 |
| M4rtinK | Options->Map->Map layers | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | k :D | 02:10 |
| M4rtinK | well: http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana | 02:11 |
| M4rtinK | and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ModRana | 02:11 |
| M4rtinK | or modrana.org | 02:11 |
| M4rtinK | but I can only do so much | 02:11 |
| M4rtinK | so contributions welcome! :) | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what are the numbers in () ? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in Options->Map->Map layers | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh got it | 02:15 |
| M4rtinK | those are groups | 02:16 |
| M4rtinK | number is the number of layers in group | 02:16 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, 14 OSM layers at the moment | 02:16 |
| M4rtinK | ...and there will be more once I get to add those that showed up recently :) | 02:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 14? I have !" :( | 02:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 12 | 02:16 |
| M4rtinK | well, I'm working with modRana from Git master branch :) | 02:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | OS maps would be good but unfortunately they don't load for me. Contour lines are very useful when walking. | 02:18 |
| M4rtinK | might have already added somethng :) | 02:18 |
| M4rtinK | could be that some layers are dead | 02:19 |
| M4rtinK | or the URL changed | 02:19 |
| M4rtinK | if you tell me which ones I can check & fix or remove them | 02:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | VE OS | 02:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "Virtual Earth UK Ordnance Survey" | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wow, downloading needs some throttling | 02:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I had it set to 50% overlay on OSM Mapnik until it stopped working | 02:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | downloads can have threads set in options. | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it hogs the device/cpu to a point where typing this is mostly blind | 02:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: it can trigger watchdog from experience, check out Network > Usage > Max Threads | 02:24 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, I think I saw something also with the other VE layers | 02:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Can't remember the default but I lowered it IIRC. | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and modrana itself completely freezes -ter clicking "+2" for upper limit of zl ranges to dl | 02:26 |
| M4rtinK | that's actually the other threads :) | 02:26 |
| M4rtinK | the threads used to fetch tiles when moving the map | 02:26 |
| M4rtinK | the tiles used for batch download are not actually GUI configurable yet | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | "+2 UP" | 02:27 |
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| M4rtinK | and I know about that freeze | 02:27 |
| M4rtinK | it computes the tile list in the main thread :P | 02:27 |
| M4rtinK | usually does not that very long, but sometimes can | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wwell as long as it eventually finishes ;-D | 02:28 |
| M4rtinK | oh and there was that funny bug where it never ended as the lower limit did not apply :) | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ouch | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so how do I tell if I already should kill the app before the app cooks my CPU? | 02:30 |
| M4rtinK | and the number of tiles increases exponentially by zoom level (1-4-16-64-256-1024-...) | 02:30 |
| Bambi_BOFH | (i asked this a few days ago but possibly the wrong time of day so trying again :)) I'm looking to start playing around with maemo but I see http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php has 'gone away'. Should i be mirroring all the development related files in case they are pulled from nokias various hosting repositories or can i assume they will be available in to the future hosted by others/community? | 02:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | maemo.org is not allowed to distrubute firmware. maemo.org repositories are fine no mirroring required. | 02:33 |
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| Bambi_BOFH | sixwheeledbeast^: thanks for the info | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok M4rtinK2 , I had to kill9 modrana :'( | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tabletsdev | 02:39 |
| infobot | rumour has it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads | 02:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | maybe try one zoom level in a smaller area | 02:39 |
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| M4rtinK2 | yeah, one needs to get the feel for it :) | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I tried view+10km_around | 02:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | but at all zoom levels would still be huge. | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it didn't download significant amount of data, according to my internet connection monitoring | 02:42 |
| Bambi_BOFH | thanks for the links doc | 02:43 |
| M4rtinK2 | so it did lock up after the download started ? | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yw, see /topic | 02:44 |
| M4rtinK2 | or during the batch computation ? | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | M4rtinK2: I dunnoif download started | 02:44 |
| M4rtinK2 | it does not | 02:44 |
| M4rtinK2 | until you press start | 02:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I only use zoom level 15. generally huge downloads fail for me. I am slowly downloading a full uk map @ zl15 as I travel about. | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | errr, I clicked '+2 UP" and device froze | 02:45 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | hmm | 02:45 |
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| M4rtinK2 | it goes like this download-><where>-><radius>-><down-careful>-><up> | 02:45 |
| M4rtinK2 | then you get to the download menu where you can select to start or edit the batch | 02:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | maybe calculating the tiles? | 02:46 |
| M4rtinK2 | well UP is the last step | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I selected 'all' for down | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or whatever it called | 02:46 |
| M4rtinK2 | you if you selected max down before & 160 km :P | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | since I been zoomed in pretty much already, Ididn't think of limiting it to wahtever | 02:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | takes 4.64 s on my i5 | 02:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | ~5 _million_ tiles | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I used 10km around | 02:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | hmm, that should be fine | 02:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, I'll advice to not use all the way down next time :) | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | all down and 2 up from maybe zl16 | 02:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | downloading lower than zl 16-17 for areas bigger than 2 km is not advised | 02:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | that's a lot of tiles :) | 02:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | on the other hand, UL - ALL is fine | 02:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | every layer UP is 4x less tiles | 02:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | *UP- ALL | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | when I cannot dl the detail tiles for my 10km area then dl is worthless | 02:50 |
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| M4rtinK2 | if you are using scaling | 02:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | you actually need less detailed tiles for the same effect :) | 02:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | zl 15 & scale 2x is actually blurry zl 16, with scale 4x it is even more blurry zl 17 :) | 02:53 |
| M4rtinK2 | also usually zl 15-16 has enough detail for wide are coverage | 02:54 |
| M4rtinK2 | *area | 02:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I find zl15 fine for detail. | 02:54 |
| M4rtinK2 | and the trick is to let the downloads just run for a long time if you want a big coverage in detail | 02:54 |
| M4rtinK2 | also, you are making the tile servers eat kittens | 02:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | :) | 02:55 |
| M4rtinK2 | as they usually don't store detailed zls but render them on demand | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the trick is to *start* download | 02:55 |
| M4rtinK2 | that's usually why it takes so long | 02:55 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah :) | 02:55 |
| M4rtinK2 | also modRana runs just fine on almost any Linux distro | 02:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | /me starts to rape tile servers for more tiles :D | 02:55 |
| M4rtinK2 | so anohter possibility is to download tiles on PC | 02:56 |
| M4rtinK2 | *another | 02:56 |
| M4rtinK2 | and transfer to N900 | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 02:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | hmm... | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the thing not even STARTED download | 02:57 |
| M4rtinK2 | I advise to select a lower level of detail & are for start | 02:57 |
| M4rtinK2 | to see if it can be started | 02:58 |
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| M4rtinK2 | or there is a bug preventing it outright | 02:58 |
| M4rtinK2 | anyway, bed time ! :) | 03:00 |
| M4rtinK2 | looking forward to you feedback :) | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | zooming in to detail I need. 5km around view, +0 down, 5up, works | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | downloading 333/6919, 0.00b downloaded | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | IOW bytecounter seems to be defunct | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dl speed from google is abysml though | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 100kbit/s at best | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, ~2 tiles per second, ETA 1h I guess | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I bet the real problem been selecting 'all' for zl depth down and thus triggering the bug m4rtin mentioned | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | about undefined lower level | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | halfway done | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | btw no loadat all on CPU, at any time | 03:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | message after dl finished is kinda .. :-x | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | all tiles found locally. Total size of tiles unknown (click to check). | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | of course nothing to click in vicinity | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fun how on google stuff disappears in e.g. zl19 that been there at zl18 | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and on zl20 new stuff appears that clearly should have been there on zl18 already, at least at 19 | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb | 16:35 |
| infobot | well, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 16:35 |
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| dos1 | "Systemd 216 released including DNS resolver and full TTY stream parsing" | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMFG | 21:14 |
| APic | Sup? | 21:14 |
| APic | Ah. | 21:15 |
| kerio | awesome | 21:15 |
| kerio | well | 21:15 |
| kerio | to be honest | 21:16 |
| bencoh | burn this thing | 21:16 |
| APic | Pulseaudio is worse than Systemd | 21:16 |
| APic | imhO | 21:16 |
| kerio | if you compile systemd with uclibc and you use busybox, you end up with a really small system | 21:16 |
| kerio | perfect for embedded systems! | 21:16 |
| * kerio runs | 21:16 | |
| APic | True. | 21:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | shit | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | systemd is linux going truly monolitic | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no matter what you try to fix or change, look at systemd and you'll find it there, if you are lucky toactually figure how to find it | 21:25 |
| APic | B-( | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pending: kernel and wayland integration, plus outlook | 21:26 |
| APic | The long dark Teatime of the OS | 21:26 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: who needs silly things like vi | 21:27 |
| kerio | let's just embed libreoffice in /sbin/init | 21:27 |
| APic | And TeX | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | isn't it alread? | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ask poettering why not | 21:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: instead of wasting your time and money on maemo | 21:28 |
| kerio | go hire some hitmen for poettering | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and yeah, PLEASE embed messybox into init aka systemd | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | incl allbugs | 21:28 |
| APic | Moar. | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm sure byexploiting some dbus properies in systemd you can ensure that all shells wunning on system may only be child instances of busybox | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | running* | 21:31 |
| APic | B-( | 21:31 |
| kerio | let's replace popen(3) with dbus calls | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | YEAH! sounds lke a genuine poettering statement | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if universe was any fair, he alheardy been hit by a bus | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | already* | 21:33 |
| APic | *g* | 21:34 |
| kerio | the universe isn't fair yo | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~freee | 22:19 |
| infobot | rumour has it, freee is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296 | 22:19 |
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