IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2014-07-12

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DocScrutinizer05HEY GALS&GUYS, YOU RECEIVED A VOTING BALLOT MAIL!01:01
DocScrutinizer05and if not, then you can request a resend on http://maemo.org/vote/vote.php01:03
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DocScrutinizer05there's a token for almost every one of our 60k users01:05
DocScrutinizer05don't hope for a council when only 0.01% of you bother to vote for one01:06
DocScrutinizer05maybe you think you don't need a council, but you will notice how wrong you were when it vanishes01:09
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DocScrutinizer05we done a hell of a job to set up a infra for you that "just works", but even such robust infra and orga is "bitrotting"01:10
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: i could be wrong, but i seem to remember we could set the order of the choices .. is this no longer there?01:27
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: they are sorted the sequence you click them. When you don't like what you did, click to the entry in the list and it jumps back to your list of choices01:29
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DocScrutinizer05when you want to start anew, just click on all your votes to push them back to the list of candidates to choose from, and you can start again by clicking on your #1 choice, then #2 aso01:31
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DocScrutinizer05I admit this voting page could use a bit more of smartness and help01:32
DocScrutinizer05obviously not done by a javascript wizard like dos101:33
Sicelo:)01:33
Siceloi have cast my vote01:33
DocScrutinizer05great! one more :-)01:33
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DocScrutinizer05soon we will trip the 6 dozen votes I guess01:35
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KilrooI don't think I have a garage account.02:41
KilrooI was wondering why I couldn't find the email.02:42
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APicGood Night (UGT).03:34
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DocScrutinizer05Kilroo: yeah, a garage account is a mandatory prerequisite to receive a ballot06:13
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APicA wonderful fine good Morning (UGT) on this gorgeous Saturday (CEST) Morning,09:40
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DocScrutinizer05cmd: Today is Pungenday, the 47th day of Confusion in the YOLD 318011:14
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hxka"All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device"13:32
hxkaspringfix didn't help :(13:32
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hxkaEh, apparently it didn't help its inventor either: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1325947&postcount=2914:36
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DocScrutinizer05what the heck is /sys/class/backlight/ac*/bl_power?15:37
APiclol15:38
APicYou won't believe me this Story:15:38
APicI have my IBM Thinkpad T42 since last September.15:38
APicNow i found the Thinklight.  =^.^=15:38
APicSorry for OT.15:38
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DocScrutinizer05??15:39
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APicI said sorry.15:41
APicWeitermachen.  ;-)15:41
DocScrutinizer05I didn't get a single word of what you told15:42
APicIt's ok.15:42
APicJust forget it.15:42
DocScrutinizer05aha15:43
kerioAPic is... special15:44
APicThanks for the Compliment.15:45
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DocScrutinizer05I'd still want to know what the heck is /sys/class/backlight/ac*/bl_power15:48
APicGL and hF finding it out.15:49
DocScrutinizer05could you please stop flooding channel with gbberish resp noise?15:49
KatajakasaDocScrutinizer05: Maybe it's a part of the acpi backlight api ?15:49
DocScrutinizer05quite possible15:50
DocScrutinizer05I tried making backlight come up while screen locked, so finally I wrote 1 to where been 0. Sticky :-/ and worse: backlight went inoperable, had to reboot15:52
DocScrutinizer05fun detail: after eboot I cehcked content of bl_power when screen lit, still 015:53
DocScrutinizer05reboot, that is15:53
DocScrutinizer05so I really wonder wtf it's doing. Selfdestruction?15:54
APicDocStrutinizer05: Sure Thing.15:54
DocScrutinizer05I wrote 100 to it which also been sticky after 1, and then it didn't accept 1 anymore15:55
DocScrutinizer05seems like it accepts one integers that are >$current_value15:55
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DocScrutinizer05s/ one/ only/15:56
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: seems like it accepts only integers that are >$current_value15:56
KatajakasaSounds like a buggy backlight driver or something.15:56
DocScrutinizer05:nod:  sounds fishy15:56
kerioblub blub15:57
APiclol15:57
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keriothis is where we get kicked i think15:58
Katajakasahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging/Backlight "bl_power has no effect, what is it supposed to do?" :P15:58
kerioDocScrutinizer05: are you sure it's a good idea to tinker with stuff like that?15:58
DocScrutinizer05yes15:58
keriolike, what if it actually damages things?15:58
DocScrutinizer05then it's borkeded15:58
keriowouldn't it be better to figure that out *before* tinkering with it?15:58
DocScrutinizer05meh, no fun15:59
DocScrutinizer05actually when there was yet another self destruction button besides the known LP5523, CPUvoltage, CPUclockfreq, and nandtest, then damn sure I would wanna know16:00
KatajakasaHeh, if it's revealed in /sys, it shouldn't really break stuff :P ... That is, unless you touch the debug stuff. Then werewolves and sparkly vampires will come in the night and eat you :P16:00
kerionandtest isn't a self-destruct button16:01
kerioit's not even close to being fatal16:01
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DocScrutinizer05depends16:01
keriothe n900 is way too resilient, it's no fun16:01
DocScrutinizer05you actually can wear out NAND with nandtest16:01
DocScrutinizer05simly do a million cycles16:01
kerioactually i don't know if you can safely invoke coldboot without knowing the hardware rev for sure16:02
APicN900 > *16:02
DocScrutinizer05first 4 blocks already suffice iirc16:02
APicWait.16:02
APicNeo900 > N90016:02
APic;-)16:02
kerioomg dd is a self-destruct button because you can wear down hard drives with it16:02
APiclol16:02
kerioactually16:02
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DocScrutinizer05hard drives? hardly16:03
keriodo you need root access for O_DIRECT?16:03
DocScrutinizer05SSD maybe, yes16:03
APicYou could attach an USB HD16:03
APicW/ the genial USB-Power.16:03
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather think hdparm is more of a self destruct for HDD16:04
keriommh16:04
keriocan't ssds last pretty much as long as hdds?16:04
keriomodern ones, at least16:04
DocScrutinizer05I don't think so16:04
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DocScrutinizer05under normal usage pattern maybe16:05
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DocScrutinizer05but not when you carefully craft some pattern that deliberately creates one page erase after the other and defeats wear leveling16:05
DocScrutinizer05HDDs however might not survive even 10000 headpark events16:06
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Humpelstilzchensome HDDs do16:06
DocScrutinizer05but for that you wanna use hdparm16:06
kerioDocScrutinizer05: modern SSDs won't let you "defeat wear leveling"16:07
DocScrutinizer05depends16:07
DocScrutinizer05when you completely fill the critter, then it starts having a hard time16:08
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DocScrutinizer05sure it still can have a 10% shadow free pages16:08
DocScrutinizer05there are other ways to completely nuke such peripherals: they all ahve firmware16:09
keriothat's cheating, though16:09
APickerio ftw16:10
DocScrutinizer05you won't ask when your hw went south, whether it was cheating or not16:10
keriomh16:10
keriowould you consider it a flaw of the hardware if it's possible to write a botched firmware and make it stop working?16:10
DocScrutinizer05there's no such thing like cheating in destruction. Either dead or failed to kill16:11
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keriolike, without a hardware programmer16:11
DocScrutinizer05actually no16:11
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APicI like You very much, kerio.  ♥16:16
kerioty16:16
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DocScrutinizer05to finally answer my own question: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ABI/stable/sysfs-class-backlight17:55
DocScrutinizer05I can confirm that writing 1 to bl_power shuts off backlight17:56
kerioperfect sense17:56
kerioright17:56
DocScrutinizer05yeah,17:56
DocScrutinizer05I also can confirm that bl_backlight doesn't like 1 as value, it seems to stick17:57
DocScrutinizer05maybe when you write 4 instead, which seems the correct value for "off" instead of 1, then *maybe* it would accept 0 after that to get re-enabled. I'm honestly too bored to even ponder trying that right now17:58
kerioi want to know!17:59
DocScrutinizer05who the heck wrote THIS pile of crap?17:59
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I suggest echo 4 echo 0 echo 1 echo 0 echo 4 echo 018:01
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dos10 - FB_BLANK_UNBLANK18:01
dos11 - FB_BLANK_NORMAL18:02
dos12 - FB_BLANK_VSYNC_SUSPEND18:02
dos13 - FB_BLANK_HSYNC_SUSPEND18:02
DocScrutinizer05LOL18:02
dos14 - FB_BLANK_POWERDOWN18:02
DocScrutinizer05ok18:02
dos1from fb.h18:02
dos1which is funny :D18:02
DocScrutinizer05indeed18:02
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DocScrutinizer05why the heck is this /bl_power and not /bl_blank?18:03
DocScrutinizer05or even /fb_blank18:03
keriobl_poweroff18:03
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