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DocScrutinizer05who knows00:44
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DocScrutinizer05attractive /topic maybe? ;-)00:44
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honestlynow my n900 is pretending that it's charging although there's no USB cable attached :|05:29
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bef0rdwireless charging06:25
DocScrutinizer05honestly: did you use hostmode?06:35
DocScrutinizer05honestly: do you have installed? or bq27k-detail?06:35
DocScrutinizer05what exactly shows it's "charging"?06:36
DocScrutinizer05icon? LED?06:36
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b1101If I were to get a second n900, and use uboot to back it up. I should be able to just flash that backup to a different n900 correct ?06:57
bef0rduboot with backupmenu ?06:57
bef0rdI'd say yes, but I've never done it myself06:58
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DocScrutinizer05b1101: backupmenu will restore any backup made on any other (N900) device. You don't flash the backup, you restore it using BM, identically to creating those backups07:38
DocScrutinizer05so to restore or copy to another device, you need a (preferrably clean) working fremantle rootfs on that device, plus BM installed. I think robbiethe1st somewhere provides a COMBINED fiasco image that can flash such fremantle rootfs with BM already installed07:40
DocScrutinizer05if you don't like to search for, and use such custom made fiasco image, you're absolutely fine with flashing stock PR1.3 and then install BM the usual way on the device, then bring backup file to device - probably on a uSD card most conveniently - and restore this backup to device using BM07:42
DocScrutinizer05when you use the BM fiasco, you can skup step 2 "...and then install BM the usual way..."07:43
DocScrutinizer05you *can* also create your own fiasco from a BM backup file, but that is pretty cumbersome and not really worth anything, it's more complicated than what I explained above07:44
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sixwheeledbeastWhen you say 'pretending it's charging' do you mean in the status menu, led, both or something else?10:01
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Humpelst1lzchenMy n900 also once said its charging with the led..reboot fixed it10:04
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honestlyDocScrutinizer05: the toolbar and the led showed charging10:52
honestlythe status menu didn't show the "usb connected" field10:52
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: how to 'reset' charger chip?13:10
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Siceloasking because occassionally, my N900 will show very faint amber when charging, but if i restart, then it gives 'proper' glow.13:11
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keriobattery problem13:45
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Sicelowhat battery problem?13:53
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DocScrutinizer05dim glow?13:58
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a relative of13:58
infobotsomebody said xy was The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.13:58
DocScrutinizer05do you talk about the pulsing amber?13:59
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: ^^^13:59
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DocScrutinizer05pulsing amber is done by mce (pattern_charging) and mce is known to have a bug of reducing brightness of indicator LED to almost invisible *when you lock the device under ambient light >=1000Lux*14:01
DocScrutinizer05luckily there's a fix for that (see my post on tmo), and a workaround (unlock, cover ALS in upper right corner, lock again)14:02
kerioDocScrutinizer05: give link on tmo14:05
kerioeven better, put tmo link in ~mcebug14:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: please see #maemo-meeting of a few days ago14:05
DocScrutinizer05thursday iirc14:06
DocScrutinizer05ooops, #maemo-ssu14:07
DocScrutinizer05[2014-06-19 Thu 20:40:19] <DocScrutinizer05>
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DocScrutinizer05~#maemo mcebug is
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay14:11
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo mcebug is also squashed by DocScrutinizer the nasty way14:11
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0514:11
DocScrutinizer05kerio: happy now?14:16
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: see ^^^14:16
kerioDocScrutinizer05: gimme all your money14:16
* DocScrutinizer05 throws 1EUR32 at kerio14:16
kerioamazing :O14:17
DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks! reached a clearly defined status thanks to you14:18
DocScrutinizer05available_money=0 looks much better to a computer nerd like me than 'available money="1,32EUR"; '14:19
kerioyour problem is that you're using a string14:20
keriofor what's either an integer or a fixed-point decimal14:20
federico3kudos to DocScrutinizer05 for the syntax14:20
DocScrutinizer05yeah, but then I would need a struct of two linked lists, to handle the multiple amounts of alternative currencies14:21
kerio>linked list14:22
kerionever heard of cpu caches?14:22
DocScrutinizer05kerio: damn you, found a note in swapped out heap memory about a 1000 NTD to lie about somewhere14:23
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DocScrutinizer05actaully that would be one linked list of structs14:25
keriobut why are you using linked lists14:25
keriothey're so awful14:25
DocScrutinizer05because I talk machine code, not fancy 4G stuff like python or whatnot else14:26
kerioespecially so14:27
kerioarrays are so much nicer14:27
kerioand they're much more efficient14:27
DocScrutinizer05in machine code all data structures of unknown rather dy<namic size are linked lists or open arrays with a pointer to the end14:27
kerioor, you know14:27
kerioan array of 1024 bytes14:28
DocScrutinizer05an array will either be limited to a certain size, or... meh forget or14:28
kerioyou're not going to encounter 128 different currencies14:28
DocScrutinizer05I'm neither going to waste 1024 of my precious bytes, and you forget about such nasty currencies with names of 45chars length14:29
kerioregardless, only DOGECOIN matters14:30
DocScrutinizer05arrays are only them more efficient when you don't need malloc14:30
keriosuch value14:30
keriovery coin14:30
keriobouncing around the memory to access stuff in a linked list is a pretty huge hit tho14:31
keriobecause of cache misses14:31
DocScrutinizer05it has an impact on cache, right14:31
DocScrutinizer05but when you allocate the elements of such linked list in close sequence, odds are you get even same memory page for them14:32
keriothe famous contiguous linked list14:33
DocScrutinizer05while for an array you always need a malloc of max size you expect14:33
DocScrutinizer05or of one mmu page14:33
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DocScrutinizer05(mmu also creates a sort of linked list for you, just you don't notice it ;-P)14:34
DocScrutinizer05though *my* mmu seems to work completely different, in my wetware14:35
DocScrutinizer05particularly it seems that freeing memory is somehow flawed14:37
DocScrutinizer05what dogecoin? that thing that weighs half a ton?14:37
DocScrutinizer05and has a diameter of 70cm?14:38
DocScrutinizer05pure gold14:38
DocScrutinizer05oh sorry! not _half _a ton. And 80cm, not 7014:41
kerioDogecoin is an open source peer-to-peer digital currency, favored by Shiba Inus worldwide.14:41
DocScrutinizer05now do you think you can make me use google a third time in 3 minutes? no way ;-P14:43
DocScrutinizer05also "Shiba Inus" sounds like I don't _want_ to sacrifice vlauable bytes of my wetware storage for it. Told ya memfree() doesn't work14:44
keriobut they're so cute14:44
jaskawetware storage hasa crappy garbage collector too14:45
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what made him remember that 1000kg gold coin14:45
kerioare you saying that cute dogs are garbage14:45
dos1I started to mine dogecoins, just for the sake of saying "look I have DOGE so cute"14:45
dos1it was just before its value started to skyrocket14:45
dos1well, yes - one day i had few cents, few days later could buy new N900 from that :P14:46
keriohow many million DOGE did you have14:46
dos1around 1.5 M14:47
dos1at its peak it was worth more than 3 BTC14:47
dos1and BTC was pretty high as well14:47
* DocScrutinizer05 throws a 1000kg "Australian Kangaroo" at kerio14:47
DocScrutinizer05now THATS coolman!14:48
keriodos1: cool, gimme a dogecoin14:48
keriohold on i don't even think i still have a wallet14:48
dos1I don't know where I have my one - it's for sure not on N900 ;)14:49
DocScrutinizer05you won't need wallet for "Australian Kangaroo", you need heavy truck ;-P14:49
* sixwheeledbeast throws 1000kg of feathers at DocScrutinizer05 ;)14:50
DocScrutinizer05dos1: wait what?! you say you own virtual currency of any ral value, in a volume of 1.5 million??14:51
dos1when I got it it didn't have any value :)14:51
dos1and now it's less14:51
dos1already exchanged some of it14:52
* DocScrutinizer05 sneezes, wipes away a few feathers14:52
* DocScrutinizer05 puts a kolibri and a refrigerator into a schroedinger box and places the box on a scale14:54
jaskamaking sense is optional14:55
DocScrutinizer05don't ask me what's the power source of the fridge ;-P14:55
DocScrutinizer05jaska: exactly14:55
dos1statement both makes sense and doesn't14:56
dos1until it's read14:56
dos1then this superstate collapses ;)14:56
DocScrutinizer05jaska: is the kolibri already frozen? and how much weighs the box if it isn't?14:56
DocScrutinizer05dos1: fine, you got it :-D14:57
DocScrutinizer05what a shitty day, sipping on a coffee *without milk* :-o14:58
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bencohmeh, I just read "spinning" :p14:58
bencohdamn quantum mechanics14:58
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Sicelothanks DocScrutinizer05. i guess that explains why a reboot 'fixes' the problem18:06
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: sure, a reboot counts as unlock ;-)18:07
DocScrutinizer05the ambient light level only gets checked during device unlocked18:07
DocScrutinizer05when you lock the device in bright ambient light, the LED stays dim no matter what the ambient light will change to18:08
SiceloN900 and its surprises, hehe.18:09
Sicelogot me a new keymat for mine this weekend :)18:09
DocScrutinizer05yeah, i recall on last chaos camp I cursed a lot about N900 LED seemingly broken now on my device18:09
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: where from?18:09
DocScrutinizer05those get increasingly hard to source18:10
Sicelosome shop had a broken N900, with keymat in perfect condition.18:11
Siceloi wanted the whole device (without screen part) but they refused18:11
DocScrutinizer05how many broken N900 had the shop?18:11
Sicelojust one18:11
DocScrutinizer05thanks for the info anyway :)18:12
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sixwheeledbeastis T9.1+thumb1 the version with the reported issues with libc620:50
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infobotmethinks cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or, or
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infobotfrom memory, jrtools is
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