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Sicelowizbit: tracker maybe? iirc you will get a crash if something tries to hog any partition of uSD. that's why i would check your tracker config.00:05
Sicelopartitioning with cfdisk is not likely to be the problem at all00:06
wizbitoh i did install tracker-cg not long ago00:13
keriowizbit: also remember that during boot-time the partitions may be swapped00:13
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wizbiti just turned off all the tracker-cfg options00:14
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DocScrutinizer05live-user: hm?14:36
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live-userhi DocScrutinizer0514:50
DocScrutinizer05hi to you too14:50
live-userDocScrutinizer05, i need some info. can i pm you for a second?14:51
DocScrutinizer05is it privacy related, or security relevant?14:52
ApicHi Doc14:53
ApicHi live-user14:53
live-userhi Apic14:53
live-userDocScrutinizer05, its bootloader related.14:53
live-userhi again everyone.14:55
live-usercan someone tell me how to jtag into n900?14:55
live-useri have a project in my mind. and i have searched the net w/o any success.14:55
DocScrutinizer05live-user: bootloader is a fine topic to discuss here. There are guys who know more about NOLO and bootloader in general than I do14:56
live-useraah14:56
live-useri am on a livecd. the actual mails are on the hdd. i had exchanged mails with him long back when my net was horrible/terrible its still same, but better.14:56
live-useri asked pali to pass me some info on how can i jtag the n900.14:57
DocScrutinizer05JTAG for N900 is a white spot on the map. Nobody did it, it's even unclear if N900 has proper JTAG capabilities - read: if the SoC's JTAG pins are available14:57
live-userand he told me he doesnt have a clue.14:57
live-useraah14:57
live-userhow about emmc reading?14:58
live-userviz. ripping the emmc and then from there reverse engineering?14:58
live-userpossible?14:58
DocScrutinizer05I got some blank unpopulated PCBs here, so I could find out which jtag pin of SoC maybe goes to which testpad14:58
DocScrutinizer05sorry, you lost me on "eMMC reading"14:59
live-userthat will be excellent, since i got only 1 device.14:59
live-userhttp://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1543 something like this.15:00
live-userrip the emmc from the board and then put it back on this type of device and try to read/extract data from there15:01
live-useri mean something like that.15:01
live-userhttp://gbatemp.net/threads/shadow-lags-wiiu-hacking-and-development-thread.351575/page-2 post no 3915:02
live-userlift it from the main board and then put it on a reader type device and try to extract data15:02
DocScrutinizer05when you help me by providing the SoC pin/ball names of the JTAG pins you're interested, then I can try to find out if one of the testpads on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports is routed to that SoC pad on my blank PCB http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/platine_01.jpeg15:02
live-userDocScrutinizer05, got it. i already been to these sites and the high res photo.15:03
DocScrutinizer05live-user: eMMC reading makes no sense, the whole eMMC is freely accessible on N900/fremantle15:03
live-useri will re-read the documents once more, its more than a year since i read it. i need to re-read the document esply the electrical part DocScrutinizer0515:04
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic and generally http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware will help :-)15:05
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live-userhmmm15:05
live-useryes yes i am speaking of this http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Main_Page http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Booting_chain http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Security http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Cryptography15:06
live-useri thought i can apply the same logic and hunt for vulnerability.15:07
DocScrutinizer05vulnerability of what?15:07
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live-usermoto phones got a jtag. thats why i thought if i can find/locate the jtag, i can run the same process on n900.15:08
DocScrutinizer05to what purpose? N900 is not locked like the typical android phone15:09
live-useri thought of porting coreboot15:10
live-userand thats why.15:10
live-useri may be wrong. but the cpu chipset is omap3430 HS. which has efuse15:11
live-userand its signed like every other secondary bootloader15:11
live-userhttp://droid-developers.org/wiki/Cryptography might help me extract the keys and i can write a new bootloader.15:12
DocScrutinizer05well, porting a bootloader is a "simple" matter of producing something that really boots the device, and then get the SoC to load and execute it from >>mtd0: 00020000 00020000 "bootloader"<< or alternatively make it chainload from >>mtd3: 00200000 00020000 "kernel"<<15:13
live-userprimary bootloader?15:14
live-useraka x-loader?15:14
live-useri am interested in that.15:14
live-usernot secondary bootloader.15:14
hurrianlive-user: the relative scarcity of OMAP HS vs ES parts means that Nokia had to use them unfortunately.15:14
DocScrutinizer05yes, primary and secondary bootloader are both in mtd015:15
hurrianthe first few stages of booting is indeed signed, up to Nokia X-Loader15:15
DocScrutinizer05actually first step only15:15
live-useryes exactly, thats what i am speaking of. the IBL or initial bootloader.15:16
hurrianNOLO aka "secondary" does not need to be signed though15:16
live-useri am planning to work on that.15:16
DocScrutinizer05ROMBL is fixed and immutable, it loads xloader from mtd0 and that's the only boot step protected by signature15:16
live-userbut other than the TI documents i have nothing else and also i dont have the jtag pads/pins that i can employ the same approach.15:16
DocScrutinizer05you don't need JTAG to mess with NOLO15:17
hurrianIIRC on OMAP34xx, whatever key you need would likely be in the CPU ROM, and likely shared across all OMAP34xx chips if you really wanted to replace X-Loader15:17
hurrianwhich means, you're looking at decapping. because the N900 doesn't have any known JTAG ports.15:17
live-useryes i am trying to do something like that hurrian15:18
DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8388015:18
hurrianso your path from here would either be to pose as $BIG_COMPANY and ask TI nicely for the M-Shield signing tool, or decap an OMAP3.15:19
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DocScrutinizer05ROMBOOT's crypto key can't get read out from OMAP chip afaik. Not even with JTAG15:20
hurrianshould you want to decap an OMAP3 and don't want to ruin a perfectly good N900, OMAP3530 HS samples are available from TI.15:20
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon know a bit more details about all that security stuff15:21
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DocScrutinizer05but i'm absolutely sure TI and even ARM made sure you can't read out the "public" key from chip. Only the CPU itself has access, and only when it operates in a special mode that protects it from anybody messing with CPU15:23
hurrianwell, that, plus the fact that during secondary (in stock devices, NOLO) onward, unsigned binaries are allowed, and there are no restrictions on calling the Secure Monitor15:24
DocScrutinizer05I *guess* the pubkey is fused/flashed to a write-once ROM area of SoC, but it most likely can't get read out from outside the chip15:24
DocScrutinizer05hurrian: yep15:25
DocScrutinizer05see the thread I linked above. People patched NOLO15:25
DocScrutinizer05perfectly feasible, since only x-loader is signed15:25
hurriandisabling secure mode by the way can be more of a pain than it sounds like - setting SCR might mess with some optimized ARM-Thumb code paths15:26
DocScrutinizer05x-loader itself drops HS-mode and thus the device irreversibly enters non-secure operation mode which doesn't enforce any signatures15:26
DocScrutinizer05afaik15:27
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hurrianif that was the case, freemangordon wouldn't have to have found the TrustZone control bits to apply the ARM-Thumb errata patch ;)15:27
hurrianx-loader just doesn't verify signatures, breaking the chain of trust15:28
hurrianbut the chip is very much in HS mode, nothing just takes advantage of it15:28
live-user"<hurrian> should you want to decap an OMAP3 and don't want to ruin a perfectly good N900, OMAP3530 HS samples are available from TI." but i have only 1 n900 xD15:28
live-userpali was exactly teling me the same things in email. hurrian and DocScrutinizer0515:29
live-userbut that time my adsl connection used to be not even remain stable for 5 mins. now its stable.15:29
live-userbut isnt there any way other than decapping it?15:30
live-userhttp://siliconpr0n.org/wiki/doku.php?id=memory:sram azonenberg from ##electronics was telling me its possible. but i need to sacrifice the whole cpu.15:31
DocScrutinizer05live-user: you don't need that pubkey, unless you want to write your own version of xloader. I don't see the use of a proprietary xloader15:32
hurrianplus, all the hardware bringup you'll need to do to use it...15:32
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DocScrutinizer05indeed :-D15:32
DocScrutinizer05electron microscope and whatnot else15:33
live-userhehehe exactly. i gave it a good bye because i dont have the guts nor balls to even play an inch with that.15:33
hurrianu-boot in secondary would be more feasible, but if you really want to make a dent, play with https://github.com/winocm/kaikidan ;)15:33
live-userthats why i thought if i have the jtag i can read the keys http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Cryptography good adventure project15:34
hurrianperhaps you'll get WinRT running on the N900, raising new heights of panic!15:34
DocScrutinizer05live-user: anyway for portig coreboot or whatever, simply forget about all that encryption/signature/keys stuff. Simply replace NOLO by your coreboot and hope you did a proper work creating something that *can* boot up the system15:34
hurrian(side note: that EDK2 fork does run on BeagleBlack with HDMI output, currently headless on the N900 so you'll need a serial port)15:35
DocScrutinizer05EDK?15:36
live-useryes DocScrutinizer05 looks like #coreboot folks will be pissed as usual.15:36
DocScrutinizer05no idea what's that doing15:36
live-userUEFI edk15:36
DocScrutinizer05aah, thanks15:37
live-userhurrian, lets see how it goes from here.15:38
live-userDocScrutinizer05, give me some time i will read the document and will ask you which pin to probe for a few days later.15:38
live-usernishant menon told me he cant give me any info other than "yes it possible!"15:39
live-userand everything else he said one thing "sorry classified information, cant give you other details"15:39
hurrianlive-user: try porting pali's u-boot to run as secondary, that's how it runs on most OMAP EVMs.15:41
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DocScrutinizer05live-user: I don't know what for you need to probe any pins15:43
DocScrutinizer05live-user: unlike typical android phone you have FULL access to bootloader on N900, and it's not even signed15:45
DocScrutinizer05evidence: people already patched NOLO, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8388015:45
DocScrutinizer05probably if it wasn't for the embedded BME (battery charger) bits, Nokia would even have placed NOLO source into public domain15:46
live-useri will have to mail pali again. he told me his laptop is broken. i dont know if its fixed. hurrian15:52
live-userDocScrutinizer05, i will check all those. i need some time now only my internet is becoming stable i dont know when i will go back to stone age again.15:53
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ApicCan i set the N900 Watchdog to a more graceful Period?16:18
ApicI'm on the 6th or 7th Try to debootstrap and aptitude install16:19
ApicEverytime it crashed somewhere16:19
ApicAnd left the ext3 in a fsck'ed up State.16:19
ApicSo i had to start over with mkfs.ext3 everytime16:19
Sicelowatchdog?16:21
Sicelocan't you 'nice' the debootstrap operation?16:21
bencohor do it from another device16:24
bencohat least for stage116:24
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ApicI _did_ nice itr16:34
Apic-r16:34
ApicI'll bootstrap on a VM, good Idea!16:35
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kerioApic: fsck on the n900's emmc is a losing battle anyway17:14
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ApicOk17:17
ApicI meant fucked up17:18
ApicI gave up fsck.ext3 too17:18
ApicI always start from Scratch17:18
ApicNow i'm on a QEMU armel image and do my debootstrap --second-stage17:18
ApicThen i'll ftp over the Image17:18
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ApicOk, got it17:48
ApicLeeching would take >2h17:48
ApicOver WLAN17:48
ApicDo not have that Time now17:48
ApicNeeda run17:48
Apiccul8rs17:48
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sixwheeledbeastI have noticed that watchdog on one of my devices is very aggressive, I also wondered if there was something variable.18:33
sixwheeledbeast~seen M4rtinK18:33
infobotm4rtink <~M4rtinK@mail.melf.eu> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 45d 3h 19m 7s ago, saying: 'the ultimate IDLE RPG channel'.18:34
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wizbitday 2.. try and get swap on ssd working without rebooting20:33
wizbitfirst test speed of ssd card20:33
wizbitthen try another ssd card20:33
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wizbitalso wipe card with zeros20:35
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ecc3gwizbit: s/ssd/microsd/ ?20:43
wizbitmicroSD on N90020:44
wizbitthere might be bad blocks on it20:44
ecc3gyou keep writing ssd, was thinking 2.5" units that dont quite fit in the n90020:44
wizbitbecause my previous phone didnt have this trouble20:44
wizbitoh microSD i mean20:44
wizbitim dd'ing it with zeros for first test20:45
bencohyou could fit a 1.7" :>20:45
wizbitthen ill run badblocks on it20:45
bencoh(but that's not the point)20:45
wizbitthen ill test speed with hdparm20:45
ecc3gswap on microsd worked just fine on my n900... need to make sure the card is unmounted, fdisk, mkswap, and it just works20:45
bencohyeah swap on microsd works fine20:45
wizbitim using cfdisk20:45
bencohjust dont open the back cover20:45
wizbitwith it mounted20:45
ecc3gonly special thing I did was install debian full swapon, so that it would prioritize microsd swap over internal swap20:46
wizbitoh interesting20:46
wizbitis debian full swapon in extras?20:46
ecc3gi believe so20:46
wizbitace20:46
wizbitill do that too20:46
ecc3gthere's a wiki about it somewhere20:46
ecc3gbut you need to make sure you unmount all partitions on the microsd card before repartitioning20:47
wizbit1) wipe with zeros  2) test for bad blocks  3) test speed  4) install debian swapon20:47
wizbityep done that already20:47
wizbitecc3g: is it ok to partition it with cfdisk whilst its still inside the n900?20:47
ecc3gyes, as long as there are absolutely NO programs using it and it's completely unmounted20:48
wizbityep sure20:48
sixwheeledbeastwizbit: how are you mounting swap at boot? how are you making the swap partition?20:48
ecc3gregular fdisk will complain with an ioctl error if anything has the card mounted20:48
wizbiti created a 2GB swap partiton using cfdisk20:48
wizbitthen mkswap20:48
sixwheeledbeaston the device?20:49
wizbitthen swapon the partiton20:49
wizbitthen swapoff the internal swap20:49
wizbityes20:49
ecc3git will take a while to swapoff the internal swap...20:49
ecc3gdoes it crash or what?20:49
wizbitif i open up a few apps, the phone just reboots20:49
wizbitinternal swap its fine20:49
sixwheeledbeastmmm, and how are you mounting the swaps?20:49
sixwheeledbeastswap(s)20:50
wizbitsixwheeledbeast: first i tried using rcS-late editing the swapon bit to mount the microSD partiton20:50
wizbitintead of swapon -a20:50
sixwheeledbeastoutput of "cat /proc/swaps" when you boot?20:50
sixwheeledbeastI wouldn't edit rcs-late20:50
wizbitok ill do that once ive finished zero'in gthe microSD with DD20:50
ecc3greboot is close enough to a crash.  I manually swapon my microsd swap, hoping that I don't need to reboot often.20:50
wizbiti need to make sure this microSD card is functioning properly20:51
ecc3gyou should run badblocks on the microsd card :D20:51
wizbit1) wipe with zeros  2) test for bad blocks  3) test speed  4) install debian swapon20:51
sixwheeledbeastI designed flopswap to avoid editing rcs-late.20:51
ecc3g(with write mode)20:51
wizbittest speed with write mode, sure20:51
ecc3geat a few months off the life of the card, if it hasn't already died20:52
ecc3gwrite speed shouldn't matter20:52
ecc3gjust means it will take longer to swap20:52
wizbitok so it sounds like it has bad blocks20:52
wizbitwhat else could it be20:52
sixwheeledbeastI also recommended people use a desktop to make there swap space(s). I have had reported issues using mkswap on the device.20:52
sixwheeledbeast~flopswap20:52
infoboti heard flopswap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap20:52
wizbitohhh20:52
wizbitok ill do it on desktop linux box20:53
ecc3gI think I have a 16GB class 10 unit in it, it was brand new when I put it in.20:53
wizbitis there a newer version of mkswap in extras?20:53
wizbitdam dont think i have a adapter for microSD card20:54
wizbitbetter order one on ebay20:54
sixwheeledbeastcan you not mount it in mass storage?20:54
wizbitoh never tried that20:54
wizbiti got a cable20:54
sixwheeledbeastI used gparted20:54
wizbitgood idea!!!20:54
wizbitcan i use fdisk?20:55
ecc3gI think I just used fdisk20:55
ecc3gwas a long time ago however... a year or more...20:55
wizbitits a 32GB UHS-I so it should be fast enough20:55
wizbitits time to install swapon from extras20:57
sixwheeledbeast~pkg20:58
infobotwell, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/20:58
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wizbitis this the one:20:59
wizbithttp://maemo.org/packages/view/swapset/20:59
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wizbitmaybe i should use flopswap!21:00
sixwheeledbeastup to you, I would but I am biased :D21:01
ecc3gyes just use flopswap... sounds good21:01
sixwheeledbeastYou will need to fix anything you played about with in rcs-late21:01
sixwheeledbeast2x 800MB swap spaces on your card and your sorted.21:02
wizbitace21:03
wizbitsixwheeledbeast: wouldnt the swap spaces benefit from being larger?21:03
kerioyes21:03
kerionot *too* much21:03
wizbit2x 1GB21:04
ecc3gI do have to admit that my n900 seems a bit (not that much) less stable using swap on microsd...21:04
ecc3gmy card is a crappy card though21:04
ecc3gnoname brand :D21:04
Sicelocfdisk isn't the problem though (just saying) .. i used cfdisk from device to create my swap partition.. never had any issues21:04
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sixwheeledbeastwizbit: yes and no21:07
sixwheeledbeastnormally yes but because flopswap switches between two spaces I don't thing it's worth wasting the space on the card.21:08
sixwheeledbeasts/thing/think/21:08
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: normally yes but because flopswap switches between two spaces I don't think it's worth wasting the space on the card.21:08
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sixwheeledbeast1GB is fine if you wish. You shouldn't go smaller than stock nor too large.21:09
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wizbitdo you guys overclock your n900?21:28
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wizbitis it worth the extra battery drain?21:28
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wizbit[39621.927307] Spurious irq 95: 0xffffffdf, please flush posted write for irq 8321:31
wizbiteek wonder what that means21:31
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keriowizbit: it's definetely not worth the lifespan reduction21:35
wizbitits a brand new card :(21:36
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ecc3gno overclocking, eats battery, and I have faster computers to do high performance applications.  Much faster computers...21:37
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kerioidk if my server's faster than my laptop21:39
keriooh hell yes it is21:40
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keriowhy the fuck do i have a quad i7 to run a nethack public server21:40
kerioi'm not paying for it, but still21:41
sixwheeledbeastI don't overclock either, nor would recommend it.21:44
wizbiti might start looking out for broken n900's see if i can fix them21:48
wizbitalready got a few spare parts21:49
sixwheeledbeastdepends what's broken.21:50
wizbitthe main damage is scrached screens, case and keyboard21:50
wizbiti wonder how hard that is to replace21:50
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sixwheeledbeastsourcing good quality parts maybe the hardest part.22:04
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keriosixwheeledbeast: just get those from the broken n900s22:33
sixwheeledbeastwell, that would be the best way to get used Nokia quality parts I agree.22:34
ecc3gI wonder if I should get another good backup n900 before they become impossible to get...22:37
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DocScrutinizer05~omap-oc22:47
infobotsomebody said omap-oc was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:1122:47
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DocScrutinizer05~oc22:47
infoboti heard oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s22:47
DocScrutinizer05umm22:47
DocScrutinizer05~overclocking22:47
infobot"OK, listen up.  This is your CPU."  apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan.  "This is your CPU on overclocking.  Any questions?"22:47
ecc3gheh22:48
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* sixwheeledbeast wonders if cooking in high oleic oil will lower his N900's cholesterol :)23:01
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: thanks for finally convincing wizbit of flopswap. It already started hurting to watch wizbit trying to get own swap solution working23:03
DocScrutinizer05;-)23:04
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wizbitjust plugged my n900 into my linux box23:05
wizbit2x drives get mounted23:05
wizbitnot mounted - recognized23:05
wizbithowever when i do this:23:05
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: np23:06
wizbitcfdisk /dev/sdh23:06
wizbitFATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive23:06
sixwheeledbeast:)23:06
wizbitBus 002 Device 012: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode)23:09
DocScrutinizer05I don't think ass rage mode exports physical devices, only logical volumes. So no cfdisk23:11
sixwheeledbeast"ass rage mode" :D23:11
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wizbitfdisk doesnt work either23:12
wizbitpartitions are not shown23:12
wizbitmaybe im missing kernel modules23:12
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sixwheeledbeastPretty sure I simply plugged uUSB into Desktop, Selected Mass Storage, opened GParted and set everything up.23:15
wizbitwhere do you select mass storage>23:17
wizbiton the n900?23:17
Sicelohmm :-/23:18
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wizbithmmm i think a menu should appear when i plug in device into a machine23:21
wizbitim missing a package23:21
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Sicelowizbit: seems you have a a couple of other problems very likely... are you saying you don't get any prompt on N900 when you connect it to PC via USB?23:24
sixwheeledbeastyes and yes it should23:25
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wizbitSwap:      1953104       122560      183054423:28
wizbitseems to be using the swap ok at the moment23:29
wizbitnope didnt get a prompt23:29
wizbitmaybe im using incorrect usb cable23:29
wizbitill see how it goes23:31
wizbitmaybe the dd zero did something23:31
wizbitand i also did a23:31
wizbitmke2fs -c on the swap partiton23:31
wizbit/dev/mmcblk1p1                          partition       1953104 79512   -123:33
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Sicelowizbit: it is generally recommended that your swap partition should not be the first (don't know why)23:37
wizbitjust rebooted after editing rcS-late23:39
wizbitno problems at the moment23:39
wizbitit would of restarted by now23:39
wizbitgot about 5 apps opened23:39
wizbit Swap:      1953104        41536      191156823:39
sixwheeledbeastIt's shouldn't be the first as stock Maemo only recognises FAT partition.23:41
sixwheeledbeast"cat /proc/swaps"23:41
wizbit/dev/mmcblk1p1                          partition       1953104 51196   -123:42
wizbitohhh maybe thats why23:42
wizbitshould i change it to the 2nd partiton?23:42
wizbitmass storage mode works after a reboot :D23:44
wizbitexcellent23:45
sixwheeledbeastDid you follow the "how to partition" guide on the flopswap wiki ;)23:45
wizbiti will do that once im happy swap works23:45
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wizbitwould it be ok partitoning the first partition as ext3?23:54
wizbiti have CSSU installed23:54
sixwheeledbeastCSSU-Testing?23:55
wizbitno stable23:55
wizbitotherwise ill just use vfat23:56
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