IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2014-06-02

DocScrutinizer05I'd rather think they placed front cam on I2C_2 so it doesn't collide with the other (main) cam on I2C_300:02
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: bme chargefloat2 log has been created on 23:46, 1 June 2014 by sixwheeledbeast  ??01:07
sixwheeledbeastI made it registered users only for a few months.01:08
DocScrutinizer05and why you renamed it?01:09
sixwheeledbeastI didn't AFAIK01:09
DocScrutinizer05then I got that message wrong01:09
sixwheeledbeastOnly clicked protect01:09
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sixwheeledbeastIf a page gets continuous spam from different IP's I have started making them registered only for a few months.01:11
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DocScrutinizer05>...has been *created* ...<<01:12
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DocScrutinizer05anyway a autoblocker&autoreverter on anonymous edits with subject: SUBJ1 would beter serve the purpose. No idea how to implement that, though01:18
DocScrutinizer05or finally find the dang broken script in the internets and nuke or even fix it (though I hate fixing scriptkidde "tools" for messing with mediawiki content)01:19
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_jester_hello world01:57
keriohello jester02:02
kerioi am the world02:02
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: correctly driving the mux will be done by another (board specific?) driver, the problem is well known. BTW I have that fixed for 3.13 (iirc), but not with DT boot. However, once 3.16 is out, with most of the N900 stuff working, it will be the cameras and sound system next09:34
freemangordonant there is another problem, with gpio-switch driver, we''l have to find a way to share gpios between it and device drivers. but that will be solved as well, I think about notifiers or links in sysfs09:36
freemangordonbut in general I am very optimistic about N900/maemo and upstream kernel, still dunno what to think about Neo900. Though I usually want the HW in my hands before doing any development09:38
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: look, now you get a hw that's tailored to your needs. So try to build a neo-fremantle and we will see how hw can support you13:44
bencohbtw those that mean we might have a mainline kernel working with maemo ?13:52
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pdanekOn TMO, I registered, confirmed m email, yet I still don't have access to private messages, why?15:26
javispedropdanek: I think you need to write a few posts beforehand15:27
pdanekHow many?15:27
javispedrodunno, but probably 10 or so15:27
pdanekThat's dumb.15:27
javispedroit's a way to make yourself visible to normal moderators before being able to spam everyone15:28
uros1hi people where ti find flasher for N9 all links are dead15:28
pdanekI see.15:28
infobothmm... flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
uros1tnx arch links are just fine, i`m behind strict firewall in office15:31
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RST38hTIZEN! =)16:10
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xesRST38h: Tizen.. What?16:16
RST38hApparently, released in a Samsung phone16:17
teotwakiRST38h: you mean it's another day that ends with a Y?16:18
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RST38hIn a way, yes16:19
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RST38hSlightly different and there is now at least a photo of the device16:19
xesRST38h: well, looking at the beginning of this new adventure... Tizen is already proposing itself in a "strange" way. Please go to http://repo.meego.com16:20
xesor some mirror:
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xesoh... have you obtained a redirect or a 404? ...Yep everything has been cleared/removed/redirected, every single bit16:22
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RST38hxes: It is Samsung - they do not really relate to developers in any meaningful way, I guess16:26
RST38hDo not know how16:26
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xesRST38h: who, samsung or intel? ...just a note:
RST38hintel no longer doing anything meaningful on tizen afaik16:33
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MaxdamantusIronic picture.19:02
MaxdamantusKernel: 2.6.28-omap119:02
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ZogG_laptopjavispedro: hey19:19
ZogG_laptoppdanek: :P19:19
javispedrohey ZogG_laptop19:19
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ZogG_laptopjavispedro: i have few questions about metawatch and BLE19:29
javispedrook, shoot19:29
javispedroI have around half an hour left :)19:29
ZogG_laptoplemme think thru so i wouldn't show up as an idiot with too stupid questions19:29
ZogG_laptopthough i would at the end :P19:29
javispedroeveryone is a newbie at some point, I don't care.19:29
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javispedro(and besides, I am hardly an expert.....)19:30
ZogG_laptopso there is GATT which is bluetooth but it doesn't mean it's BLE right?19:30
javispedroGATT is supposed to be a protocol19:30
javispedroyou can speak it over a BLE channel or over a normal "classic" bluetooth channel19:31
javispedrobut it was obviously designed to be used over BLE and most devices use it only for BLE19:31
ZogG_laptopclassic is 2.1 right? or what was the version19:31
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ZogG_laptopit's spp or how it's called19:31
javispedroanything < 3.019:31
javispedroi'ts called BDR19:31
javispedrobasic data rate or sth like that19:31
ZogG_laptopi heard that one19:31
javispedroSPP is something else19:32
ZogG_laptopwhat is spp than?19:32
javispedroSPP is "serial port profile", which is a specification for how a bluetooth device should emulate a serial port19:32
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javispedrothis specification says among other things that19:32
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ZogG_laptopso to use BLE for metawatch with bb1019:32
ZogG_laptopi need to connect to device19:32
javispedroyou should use a protocol called RFCOMM and expose some IDs over blablabla19:32
ZogG_laptopwhen i connect there is difference between connections19:33
ZogG_laptopi mean if it would be used with BLE or not19:33
ZogG_laptopor there is no difference and connection is the same19:33
ZogG_laptopbecause as i understood from example of metawatch i do init bluetoothdevice19:34
ZogG_laptopinit ble19:34
ZogG_laptopand than i try to connect to 0x8880 of metawatch19:34
ZogG_laptopi just don't get the flow19:35
ZogG_laptopand i do not get who is server and who is client19:35
javispedroyou should use GATT over BLE :)19:36
javispedrowith the phone being central (or client)19:36
javispedroand the watch being peripheral (or server)19:36
javispedroif you scan for GATT services in metawatch,19:36
javispedroyou will find service 0x888019:36
ZogG_laptopi don't actually19:37
javispedroso you are currently stuck before that?19:37
ZogG_laptopi do see it from laptop19:37
ZogG_laptopwith some command line tool19:37
ZogG_laptopbut not from BB1019:37
ZogG_laptopexactly this one19:37
javispedrobut that guy from BB did see service 0x8880 at some point, from the screenshots19:37
javispedrohe even mentioned it19:37
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javispedrotbh I don't understand in which kind of mess they are.19:37
ZogG_laptopno idea what fw he has19:38
javispedroget the latest, 1.5.3, just in case.19:38
ZogG_laptophe is one of blackberry workers and works with bluetooth a lot :P19:38
ZogG_laptopi do have 1.5.319:38
ZogG_laptopi try to connect to 8880 even if i don't see it and i get error :O19:38
javispedrodon't try to connect if you can't scan for services, it's pointless19:39
javispedroit probably means something is broken beforehand19:39
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ZogG_laptopi'm not sure if it's my z10 or what. as i do can connect from jolla19:39
ZogG_laptopas well he told he has the same device /fw on phone19:40
ZogG_laptopbut i'm not sure19:40
ZogG_laptopas he has internal phone and fw19:40
javispedroso was he able to get it work "again"?19:40
ZogG_laptopdidn't talk to him anymore19:40
ZogG_laptopi'll ping him on tweeter19:40
infobotZogG_laptop meant: i'll ping him on twitter19:40
javispedrojust in case19:40
javispedroby server I mean the one "exposing the services"19:41
javispedroand by client I mean the one who is making the requests19:41
ZogG_laptopas i understand by server i do requests and get answers19:41
javispedroso we have a contradiction there? :)19:41
ZogG_laptopso we are on the same page19:41
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ZogG_laptopi mean requests to server and answers from it :P19:42
javispedroclient ------get_services()-----> server19:42
javispedroclient <---I have service 0x8880----- server19:42
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ZogG_laptopi get only one service19:42
ZogG_laptopwhich is spp19:42
ZogG_laptopor how it's called19:42
javispedroSPP can only be used from BDR/classic bluetooth19:42
ZogG_laptopthat's what i do not want19:43
javispedrocan you force connecting to a device via BLE instead of SPP?19:43
ZogG_laptopas well i do not want to calculate crc :P19:43
javispedroie something like bt_gatt_connect_ble(address) :P19:43
ZogG_laptopi do that19:43
ZogG_laptop if(bt_gatt_connect_service("00:18:33:FA:CA:FD",  MY_UUID,19:43
javispedroand what's the result of that?19:44
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ZogG_laptoperror 4719:44
ZogG_laptopi also have bt_disc_retrieve_by_service_gatt19:45
javispedrodo you know what 47 means? :)19:45
ZogG_laptopwhich would return the "array" of services19:45
ZogG_laptopno idea19:45
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ZogG_laptopit's internal bb error i think19:45
javispedromaybe  EAFNOSUPPORT Address family not supported?19:45
ZogG_laptopsomething with not supported19:46
ZogG_laptoplemme try now19:46
javispedroI'm not sure if blackberry err numbers are the same as BSD's19:46
javispedroor if that number is even a errno to begin with19:46
ZogG_laptop48 (Not supported)19:46
javispedrobut in any case if you are doing that and it does not work it seems like a blackberry bug19:46
ZogG_laptopall services i see are service: 0x110119:47
javispedroyou may also use
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: does jolla expose ble services btw?19:47
ZogG_laptopas i can try to check jolla services from bbb1019:47
javispedroZogG_laptop: Jolla has no BLE API at all I had to implement my own19:47
javispedroZogG_laptop: nah, on stock jolla there's no GATT server even.19:47
ZogG_laptopi just want to be sure that it's not hw bug at my device but bb10 bug19:48
ZogG_laptopi have z1 compact (android)19:48
javispedrosome devices that I know are BLE only ..19:48
javispedrothe microsoft arc touch mouse..19:48
ZogG_laptopnot sure if there is anything else that supports BLE in my house :(19:48
javispedrothe adonit jot script..19:48
ZogG_laptopi have no of those19:48
javispedroI can't think of any other right now..19:49
ZogG_laptopandroid phones? any idea?19:49
javispedrodo you have an iphone?19:49
javispedrono idea about android19:49
javispedrobut some people commented about an iOS app19:49
javispedromaybe there's sth for android19:49
ZogG_laptopno iphone19:49
javispedro(I want to do android BLE tests at some point this week but I haven't prepared so far)19:49
ZogG_laptopi have laptop with 4.0 dongle19:49
ZogG_laptopnot sure how  to run services on it though19:50
javispedroand I presume gatttool works OK to connect to your MW there?19:50
ZogG_laptopnot tried to19:50
ZogG_laptopbut i see 888019:50
javispedroso it works19:50
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javispedrobtw, what's service 0x1110 you mentioned above?19:51
javispedroI don't think metawatch actually exposes that even via BDR19:51
ZogG_laptopi have it with BLE i think19:52
ZogG_laptopwhich would be wierd19:52
javispedrovery weird19:52
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ZogG_laptopit's GATT19:52
ZogG_laptopmaybe i should try to connect to it :P19:53
javispedroit may be misparsing the announcements..19:53
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ZogG_laptopmy bad19:54
ZogG_laptopit's not19:54
ZogG_laptopbt_rdev_get_services returns it19:54
javispedroignore that one, it's clearly BDR19:54
javispedrobasically I'd say your problem is with bt_gatt_connect returning a bogus error19:55
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javispedrotry to figure out if there's a debuglog where it may show something..19:55
javispedrothe blackberry guys seem to have problems spelling out bluetooth UUIDs19:56
javispedro0xF0000000-0451-4000-B000-000000000000 doesn't look good.19:56
javispedro(in doc here: )19:56
javispedroalso try to figure out if the return value you get is one of those errnos.19:56
ZogG_laptopi just wonder if it's my phone or it's OS itself19:57
javispedromy half hour is up, I gotta go!19:57
javispedroZogG_laptop: I doubt a hardware problem could cause this19:57
javispedroZogG_laptop: bluetooth working with BLE specifically failing19:57
javispedroZogG_laptop: it's a sw issue and BB guys have no idea about it :)19:58
javispedroZogG_laptop: if you have an applestore nearby try to see if you can scan and connect to one of their iBeacons =)19:59
javispedrothey are also BLE devices!19:59
ZogG_laptopnot getting my foot in :P19:59
javispedrowell, gotta go19:59
javispedrogood luck!20:00
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