IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2014-04-12

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DocScrutinizer05Apic: "W:" means Warning02:05
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pbryan~charging06:10
pbryanHmm, has anyone else had problems with their N900 charging?06:11
bef0rdflaky usb port06:11
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bef0rd~usb06:11
pbryanbef0rd: Hmm. Like solder joint?06:11
infobotmethinks usb is Unusable Serial Bus.  Useless Serial Bus.  Ugly Stupid Bus06:11
bef0rd~usb-flaky06:12
bef0rderr06:12
bef0rdpbryan: yea06:12
bef0rdhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9054506:12
pbryanBut it "thinks" it's charging...06:12
* pbryan follows link...06:12
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bef0rdpbryan: oh, could be a battery issue?06:30
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bef0rdhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7592006:37
bef0rdthat's the thread I was looking for06:37
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pbryanYeah, maybe a battery issue.06:47
pbryanThanks bef0rd.06:47
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Apicmsg A wonderful gorgeous good Morning on this splendid Saturday Morning!08:41
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ApicFSCK!09:59
Apicvfat cannot cope sparse Files, eh?09:59
ApicJust did: root@Nokia-N900:~/MyDocs# dd if=/dev/zero of=deb.dd seek=4223216555 bs=1 count=109:59
ApicAt least i'm currently watching South Park S17E09, so i _can_ wait.  ;-)09:59
MaxdamantusThere's usually a standard utility that does that called `truncate`10:12
Maxdamantusah, it's in coreutils.10:12
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Maxdamantus/opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/truncate10:12
Maxdamantus-s 422321655610:13
Apic=)10:13
ApicThat works on VFAT?10:13
MaxdamantusNo.10:13
Apick10:13
ApicThanks anyhow.10:13
ApicI just changed user to apic in /etc/passwd, no i cannot su10:14
ApicI have to wait until the dd is done to regain my last rootsh ;-)10:14
Maxdamantusctrl-c?10:14
Apicsudo gainroot does not work either10:14
ApicYeah, i _could_10:14
ApicBut i'll watch Southpark S17E07 and S17E08 and IRC and wait ;-)10:14
ApicDo not wanna start dd again10:15
Apic;-)10:15
MaxdamantusIf only Plan 9 had become more popular.10:17
ApicWell...10:17
MaxdamantusThen people wouldn't be using FAT on their phones still.10:17
ApicI could do Ctrl-Z and bg, right?10:17
ApicMaxdamantus: Right.10:17
ApicAh10:18
ApicFinished now anyhow o/10:18
ApicHow can i restore su? visudo prolly10:18
Apicbash: visudo: command not found10:18
ApicOk, vi /etc/sudoers10:18
ApicThere is no sudoers10:18
ApicWTF?10:18
ApicHelp!10:18
MaxdamantusI think the command's meant to be `sudoedit`, but dunno.10:19
Sicelovisudo10:19
MaxdamantusOh, sudoedit just edits a file.10:19
Apicbash: visudo: command not found10:19
Maxdamantustry /usr/sbin/visudo10:19
ApicMaybe N900 has hardcoded?10:19
Sicelolol Apic .. have to do that as root anyway10:20
Apicbash: /usr/sbin/visudo: No such file or directory10:20
ApicN900 has hardcoded su just for user?10:20
Sicelodoing that as root?10:20
Apicroot@Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/passwd|grep apic10:20
Apicroot@Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/passwd|grep user10:20
ApicWHAT HAPPEN!10:20
ApicMaybe i just edited the passwd inside chroot?10:20
Sicelohaha10:21
ApicBut where the fuck is user in passwd?10:21
Siceloby the way, i do remember saying you will need to revise your approach to maemo :)10:21
Apicapic:.CENSORED29999:29999::/home/apic:/bin/bash10:21
Apicuser:.CENSORED29999:29999::/home/apic:/bin/bash10:21
ApicSicelo: Yes, very true.10:21
ApicOk, this is _inside_ the chroot10:21
Sicelowhat chroot?10:22
ApicWhat the fsck removed user from /etc/passwd outside?10:22
ApicMy deb chroot in /home/deb10:22
ApicWhich i installed with debootstrap10:22
ApicSo, can somebody explain how user got lost from passwd and what should i add back there please?10:23
Apic(Not even necessarily need to explain, just let me get it restored w/o flashing again…)10:24
Siceloprolly bindmounts..10:25
ApicAh, right!10:25
ApicBut i only bindmounted MyDocs10:25
ApicAh10:25
ApicMaybe i am root _inside_ the chroot?10:26
ApicProbably, /proc is empty10:26
ApicCan i safely Ctrl-D out and will still be root outside?10:26
ApicAh, yeah10:26
Apicuser:.CENSORED29999:29999::/home/apic:/bin/bash is outside10:26
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ApicSo how can i make sudo work again? It asks for Password:, but my user Password i set before does not work.10:27
Apic-bash-2.05b$ sudo ls10:27
ApicPassword:10:27
ApicSorry, user apic is not allowed to execute '/bin/ls' as root on quartz.10:27
ApicMaybe if i put user before apic in /etc/passwd?10:28
ApicI'll try leaving the chroot now10:29
Apick, am root on the Device itself, it seems o/10:30
ApicSwapped apic and user, now sudo ls works again o/10:30
Apicsudo gainroot also \o/10:30
Sicelosorry i can't help .. have never played with those files on maemo. i've never found it necessary to add new users on my device10:30
ApicOk, bindmounted /proc and /dev10:34
ApicNow i'll mount teh ext310:34
ApicUh, first _create_ ext3 on the 4G VFAT ;-)10:34
ApicProceed anyway? (y,n) j10:35
ApicShould patch sometime to allow German j ;-)10:35
ApicI'm so happy my 32G eMMC still works… had to send it back to Nokia once because it got clammy in the Bathroom (not inside the Tub, just inside the Room) and failed10:36
ApicWriting superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done10:38
Apico/10:38
Apicroot@quartz:~# mount /home/user/MyDocs/deb.dd /mnt10:38
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Apicdrwx------  2 root root 16384 Apr 12 07:36 lost+found10:38
Apico/10:38
Apic*debootstrap*10:39
ApicCan not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)10:40
ApicUhmkay, forogt10:40
Apicforgot even10:40
ApicDone10:40
ApicI: Valid Release signature (key id ED6D65271AACF0FF15D123036FB2A1C265FFB764)10:41
Apico/10:41
ApicOk, after watching Southpark S17E08 (seen E09 and E07 before), i'll go to Breakfast while debootstrap runs10:43
SiceloApic: if you want to use current debian packages, you'll find it more fun if you just boot it directly, via uboot maybe10:44
ApicTrue.10:45
ApicBut i'm not that far yet. Step by Step…10:45
Apichttp://elektranox.org/n900/ is going there…10:45
ApicTo make even the Parts that are Closed Source in Maemo normal Debian Open10:46
ApicBut seems he's stalled for >1Y10:46
ApicProlly something in her/his RL happened10:46
Sicelonope. he's very active10:46
ApicCool!10:46
Sicelohttp://elinux.org/N900 .. same guy10:46
ApicWhoah, thanks!10:46
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ApicI'll write to my public .plan to check it out!10:47
ApicDone.10:47
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MaxdamantusIt basically works anyway.10:55
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MaxdamantusYou don't really need to do anything special to get it to run.10:55
Maxdamantusdebootstrap, maybe configure a few things, then exec /sbin/init as pid=1 somehow.10:56
MaxdamantusPresumably without R&D mode on, you'd need to configure something that sends pulses to the watchdogs.10:57
Maxdamantusotherwise it doesn't require any special configuration afair10:57
MaxdamantusWell, the touchscreen was inverted in Xorg.10:58
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MaxdamantusOption  "Calibration"   "212 3899 3758 219"10:59
MaxdamantusHm. Numpty Physics. Cool.11:00
* Maxdamantus remembers playing Crayon Physics.11:00
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ApicFuck, my Phone resetted during the debootstrap11:40
ApicNow i'll have to let it start over11:40
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ApicHope it will not fsck up yet again.  %-|11:43
ApicI: Valid Release signature (key id ED6D65271AACF0FF15D123036FB2A1C265FFB764)11:44
Apico/11:44
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ApicI: Unpacking perl-base...11:59
Apic*Pressing_Thumbs*11:59
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ApicI: Configuring debconf-i18n...12:10
ApicI: Configuring initscripts...12:10
Apic*Hope*12:10
MaxdamantusAre you installing armel or armhf?12:11
ApicDunnoi12:17
Apic-i12:17
ApicI did not set the Arch12:17
ApicSo it should be automagically right™12:17
ApicI: Unpacking aptitude-common...12:17
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ApicI: Unpacking aptitude-common...12:22
ApicStill…12:22
ApicUh, the Terminal does not react to Keypresses.  B-(12:23
Apicfsck, it resetted again12:23
ApicWhat shall i do?12:23
MaxdamantusDo you know why it resets?12:24
ApicNo.12:25
ApicB-(12:25
ApicMaybe i can still use the partially installed System?12:25
ApicI'll wait on Suggestions here.12:26
MaxdamantusWhat's your maximum clock frequency?12:26
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ApicDunno12:27
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Maxdamantuscat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq12:27
Apic60000012:29
ApicIt does not feel hot on the Outside tho12:29
MaxdamantusThe default then.12:29
ApicYes.12:29
ApicShall i try to reduce it?12:29
ApicHas debootstrap a recovery Mode/Option?12:29
MaxdamantusDunno.12:29
ApicB-(12:29
ApicDocScrutinizer05, where are though?  ;-)12:30
MaxdamantusI think you wanted to say "where art thou"12:30
ApicAck12:30
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Siceloreducing frequency is not needed12:48
Sicelowhen he says 'Reset' he means restart?12:48
ApicYes, it says "Reboot occured - custom Kernel Settings were _not_ loaded"12:49
ApicSo it rebooted from Kernel-Power into ordinary Kernel12:49
MaxdamantusMaybe you should try putting it into R&D mode.12:50
Ashley`i think that means that your custom kernel progile werent loaded12:50
Maxdamantusmaybe the WD is being held up.12:50
Ashley`and not that it booted into ordinary kernel12:51
Ashley`*profile12:51
Ashley`*wasn't12:51
ApicWD?12:54
ApicOk.12:54
Ashley`watchdog12:56
ApicAh.12:56
ApicHow do i give it higher Priority?12:56
ApicJust nice the debootstrap12:56
Apic?12:56
ApicAlso, can i make debootstrap restore its old State somehow?12:57
ApicThat it had before the Boot?12:57
ApicThere is a Dir debootstrap/…12:57
Ashley`i guess changing niceness of debootstrap should work12:57
Ashley`it worked for me when i was doing pacman -Syu in chroot12:58
ApicOkay!13:00
ApicI'll use nice -n 2313:00
ApicBecause my Christianization Dictum is Psalm 23 ;-)13:01
Siceloi did not really get what you'll do with this debian system you're setting up.. you'll chroot into it from maemo, or the goal is to boot into it?13:02
Apicroot@quartz:/mnt# nice -n 23 debootstrap stable /mnt http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian13:03
Apic*Pressing_Thumbs*13:03
ApicGoal is to chroot, yes.13:04
ApicTo boot from i'll probably set up another one on microSDHC13:04
ApicRedundancy is very, very good!13:04
ApicEspecially on Solid State Devices!13:04
Siceloso cli only? or you'll want xserver too?13:05
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ApicFirstly i'm very, very happy to have CLI13:06
ApicXServer then prolly too, but not that fancy Stuff like LibreOffice13:06
ApicWho needs LibreOffice when You have emacs -nw? ;-)13:06
ApicI installed EasyDeb multiple Times, but it fscked up every Time13:07
ApicSometimes when unpacking the LZMA…13:07
ApicSometimes when trying to get Security Updates…13:07
Sicelosuggestion: consider booting this new system, less chance to mess up your maemo. it is not as difficult as it might look13:07
Sicelofwiw, my easydeb always ran perfectly, still does13:08
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Apicokay.13:10
ApicI can still boot it from VFAT ext3 dd Image?13:10
ApicProlly need initramfs13:10
ApicWell, i'm sorta „Power User", i have Chance to mess up _anything_ i use, not just Mobile Phones… i'm like a Crashtest Dummy ;-)13:11
ApicI find Race Conditions very often13:11
ApicWanted or unwantedly…13:11
Sicelovfta? ext3? but anyway, booting works from any filesystem that uboot understands13:12
ApicOk.13:12
ApicI'll just make an ext3 Partition on my microSDHC13:12
ApicAfter i'm done with my Maemo Deb Chroot13:12
ApicI: Extracting bash...13:17
Apicroot@quartz:/mnt#13:17
ApicDon!13:17
Apic+e13:17
ApicI love You Gals'n'Guys!13:17
ApicI'll repartition my 16G microSDHC now, and cp -a13:18
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ApicProbably the Android Parition for NITDroid does need to be the first one?13:22
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Siceloandroid? :-|13:24
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ApicYes, to play ingress with my Friend sometimes…13:26
ApicOr, well…13:26
ApicOk, i'll _reserve_ the Partition, but do not install NITDroid in near Future. ;-)13:27
ApicDoes this make You feeling better?  ;-)13:27
ApicI'll just reserve 2G13:27
ApicShould be more than enough13:27
Siceloit's your device, your choice13:28
ApicVery true!13:28
ApicAnd it's even the _easily_pluggable_ Part of my Device!  o/13:28
Apicroot@quartz:~# chroot /deb13:33
Apicchroot: can't execute '/bin/bash': Stale NFS file handle13:33
Apiclol13:33
ApicWhat now? FSCK>13:33
Apics/>/?/13:33
infobotApic meant: What now? FSCK?13:33
ApicI'll reboot, then fsck.vfat, then fsck.ext313:34
Apicdosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN13:38
ApicReclaimed 49153 unused clusters (3221291008 bytes) in 2 chains.13:40
ApicPerforming changes.13:40
Apic/dev/mmcblk0p1: 22081 files, 298798/442377 clusters13:40
ApicNow booting, then fsck.ext313:40
Apicfsck.ext3 -y fixes quite a lotta Errors!13:44
ApicVery fine!13:44
Apic13:45
ApicError deallocating inode 8283: Illegal triply indirect block found13:46
Apice2fsck: aborted13:46
ApicI'll make a new ext313:47
ApicAnd start debootstrap again13:47
ApicThis Time nice from the Start!13:47
Apic-n 2313:47
Maxdamantustbh, you should stop using FAT.13:49
Apiclost+found13:50
Apicroot@quartz:/mnt# cd ..13:50
Apicroot@quartz:/# nice -n 23 debootstrap stable /mnt http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian13:50
Maxdamantusif you want to be able to use it as a UMS, make a file somewhere for the UMS image and make g_file_storage use that, rather than /dev/mmcblk1p2 or whatever it is.13:50
ApicUh…13:51
ApicCan You reformulate that, please?13:51
ApicI did not fully understand.13:51
Ashley`i like it how you type commands using bold13:51
ApicThanks!13:51
MaxdamantusThe only thing autonomous devices still use FAT for is drives that might be mounted on other computers.13:52
MaxdamantusJust don't mount the drive on another computer.13:52
Apichttp://i.imgur.com/MVnIL5F.gif13:52
Maxdamantusif you really want to, mount a file from a sane filesystem instead .. that file can contain an insane filesystem like FAT if it wants to.13:52
ApicBut i want to keep _all_ Options open!13:53
Maxdamantusyou can always remove that file without repartitioning, etc13:53
ApicFor an infinite Number of Futures!13:53
ApicOne is not enough for me. ;-)13:53
ApicI want to live _contemporaneously_. ;-)13:53
MaxdamantusYou can also make that file multiple terabytes on a small filesystem, for fun.13:53
ApicTrue.13:53
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ApicI: Valid Release signature (key id ED6D65271AACF0FF15D123036FB2A1C265FFB764)13:56
Apico/13:56
Apic(Weil der Fuchs tun muss, was der Fuchs von Buxdehude tun muss…)13:56
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ApicI: Retrieving tar14:06
ApicTarpit ftw!14:06
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ApicWarning: A[sic] unexpected reboot occured. Your custom kernel settings were NOT loaded.14:32
ApicDARN FUCK!14:32
Apic At I: Unpacking perl-base...14:32
ApicDo i need ionice too?14:32
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ApicFSCK14:38
ApicMy whole MyDocs fscked up14:38
Apic16GB Worth of Shit14:38
ApicI'll use Mass Storage Mode and testdisk and Friends…14:39
ApicAh14:40
ApicReboot got the MyDocs back14:40
Apico/14:40
ApicLuck in Unluck ;-)14:40
lctApic: what are trying to achieve?14:45
ApicDeb Chroot14:45
jogaeasydebian?14:45
ApicNo14:45
ApicRolling my own14:45
ApicBecause i fscked too much in the Past with EasyDeb14:46
ApicAlone the LZMA fsck up oftenly14:46
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Apicroot@quartz:~# ionice -c 3 nice -n 23 debootstrap stable /mnt http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian14:57
ApicI: Retrieving Release14:57
ApicI: Retrieving Release.gpg14:58
ApicI: Checking Release signature14:58
ApicI: Valid Release signature (key id ED6D65271AACF0FF15D123036FB2A1C265FFB764)14:58
ApicI: Retrieving Packages14:58
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ApicI: Base system installed successfully.15:51
ApicJEHOVA!   I PRAISE THEEEEEEEE! O MY LORDESS!15:52
jogamay be dangerous to get all religious about it!15:59
Apic*shrug*16:05
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ApicI had my Settlement with Goddess Eris Discordia… mostly…  ;-)16:05
ApicI even have the Sacred Chao tattooed on my right Shoulder.16:06
Apics/had/have been having/16:06
ApicHi Sailor7488.16:06
ApicWelcome!16:06
jogaI think currently I worship Crom, and am about to die soon... barely survived by quaffing an unknown potion at a critical moment, but will probably be petrified or starved in the very near future16:07
joga(nethack game running in shell, been idle for a couple of days so I can think what to do) ;p16:08
Apic;-)16:09
ApicGL16:09
ApicHF16:10
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ApicHow was the USB-Host-Mode Package called again?17:47
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Siceloush-mode, and h-e-n18:08
Sicelodepending which one you like18:08
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Apicush with h18:34
Sicelosorry, usb-mode18:34
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DocScrutinizer05usb-mode may or may not work, when it works the it works more conveniently than h-e-n. Both the uncertainty and the convenience coming from stronger automation of the whole switching process which isn't thoroughly tested and debugged yet18:53
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DocScrutinizer05which btw is the reason why h-e-n didn't progress / improve in that direction. h-e-n is targeted at maximum success of enabling hostmode, while usb-hostmode is targeted at maximum integration and convenience18:55
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Ashley`how can i use gobject introspection in python?23:31
Ashley`in maemo23:31
Ashley`i've installed gir1.0-clutter-1.323:31
Ashley`python-gobject-pygi, pygi, gobject-introspection23:32
Ashley`ImportError: No module named gi23:32
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merlin1991hm check with dpkg -L pygi where it drops the files and have a look around I'd say23:36
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Ashley`/opt/pygi/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gi/23:51
merlin1991then you need to import gtk-2.0/gi or somehting23:55
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Ashley`i dont know how :|23:56
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merlin1991hm gimme a sec23:59
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