IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2014-03-19

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joerg_rwumm, anyway00:08
joerg_rwsed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/; s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL = PASSWD:/usr/sbin/gainroot+"  -i  /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo00:09
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bencohhmm, is 01sudo meant to be hand-modified ?00:17
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joerg_rwerr well, not really, but then OTOH who cares?00:30
joerg_rwthis is rootsh's 01sudo00:30
joerg_rwwhat's definitely *not* meant to get modified, particularly not manually, is /etc/sudoers00:31
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WizardNumberNextjoerg_rw, I always edit sudoers by hand00:34
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joerg_rwWizardNumberNext: on maemo you won't stay a happy camper with that00:40
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joerg_rwcheck out /usr/sbin/update-sudoers00:41
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WizardNumberNextI do not need much of modification there, but I would like to add few things. Still prefer working on maemo, then working on repairing maemo00:41
joerg_rwfremantle's sudo really could use an update, to support proper subdirs00:42
joerg_rwwith what we got on fremantle, editing /etc/sudoers best case may actually work for a while; usually your edits get reverted on next boot; worst case your system bootloops and you have to reflash00:44
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WizardNumberNextjoerg_rw, with a bit of skill, knowledge and luck you can fix maemo without reflash00:45
joerg_rwWizardNumberNext: with a bit more skills, knowledge and luck you won't break it to start with ;-)00:49
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WizardNumberNextright - nice one00:49
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DocScrutinizer05anyway update-sudoers is the magic word. Check it out, it's a script iirc01:46
DocScrutinizer05yup01:46
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MaxdamantusHmm .. I wonder if anyone's attached more SD card ports to a phone before.10:19
Maxdamantusapparently SD is designed to support 30 cards on one bus.10:20
Maxdamantusshould just be a matter of software support.10:20
Maxdamantusand maybe power usage.10:20
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DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: interesting. Any pointers to docs?15:05
DocScrutinizer05power usage is the least problem15:06
DocScrutinizer05the bandwidth of the MMC bus is a bottleneck that may eventually defeat the purpose of having multiple cards on one bus, though15:07
MaxdamantusI think that would mostly just mean you wouldn't get a greater bandwidth from using multiple cards.15:07
Maxdamantusjust more space.15:07
DocScrutinizer05e.g. I'm not sure a RAID on MMC bus would be any faster, e.g. for swap15:08
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Maxdamantushttps://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/15:09
MaxdamantusI think some relevant parts are missing from the simplified specs.15:10
DocScrutinizer05OTOH when it's really just a question of driver sw, I already see how we could try adapters in a usual uSD slot, to attach a multi-uSD cluster15:10
Maxdamantus3.5 Bus Topology: This section is a blank in the Simplified Specification15:10
Maxdamantusbut if you look at the next section, it talks about commands being sent to one or all cards.15:10
DocScrutinizer05\o/15:10
MaxdamantusI imagine Linux would already support multiple cards.15:11
Maxdamantusmight be able to look at the code quickly.15:12
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MaxdamantuseMMC is also meant to support multiple cards on the same bus.15:12
Maxdamantusbut it was only intended to support up to 3.15:12
DocScrutinizer05sorry I got no spare time to invest a in-depth investigation on that topic right now. When you can come up with further details or info, I'd appreciate a lot and will try to onclude considerations regarding that15:12
MaxdamantusI think the intentions would only really be limited by bandwidth.15:12
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DocScrutinizer05include*15:13
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Maxdamantuswell, as far as physical connectivity goes, the "ring topology" is on page 18 (PDF page) of https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/Part_1_UHS-II_Simplified_Addendum_Ver1.01_Final_131108.pdf15:37
Maxdamantusthe "hub topology" seems to require a separate device.15:37
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Maxdamantuswhich I suspect is like an ethernet switch .. probably wouldn't be worth the effort if you were considering it on the Neo900.15:39
zGrrmoin :)15:39
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ShadowJKN8x0 had a sort of switch/mux16:12
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Maxdamantuson what?16:15
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DocScrutinizer05anyway I hate this prohibition https://www.sdcard.org/join/benefits/16:22
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ShadowJKon sd16:24
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Maxdamantusbetween the SD card and the eMMC or something?16:25
ShadowJKiirc16:25
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Maxdamantusyou'd need another one to handle multiple cards that way.16:27
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Maxdamantusboth the (active) hub and (passive) ring adapter seem like difficult things to search for, even if people have made them.16:30
ShadowJKwell N800 has 2 SD card slots, N810 has emmc and a miniSD slot16:31
MaxdamantusOh, right.16:31
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