IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2014-03-18

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zGrrmoin :)11:37
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trxwhere can i find fremantle images?14:01
trxtablets-dev is down, as is skeiron.org14:01
trxand  http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/ doesn't exist14:01
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trxfound it14:06
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DocScrutinizer05~tell trx about combined14:06
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DocScrutinizer05~tell trx about emmc14:06
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DocScrutinizer05~tell trx about flasher14:06
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trxthanks doc!14:07
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DocScrutinizer05yw14:07
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silviofDocScrutinizer05: we should put this three links in the subject line of this #14:07
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*** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | For "firmware" see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet"14:08
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DocScrutinizer05sorry weekly news, you felt like zombie state anyway, lately14:10
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silviofahh - a way better ^^14:11
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silviofnow we can say - "hey look at subjectline" and have to discuss what the ~ means :-P14:33
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WizardNumberNexthello, most annoying thing in getting vanila kernel to work on N900 is lack of any kind of log. All I know is N900 is switching off after 3-30 seconds - depends on kernel. I even don't know, if kernel is dying or watchdog is playing with or maybe maemo doesn't like my kernel16:54
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SiceloWizardNumberNext: you can build a serial adapter17:05
WizardNumberNextSicelo, tell me more17:06
DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: well, for that you need either serial console, or mtdoops17:06
Sicelohttp://elektranox.org/n900/adapter/index.html17:06
WizardNumberNextmtdoops doesn't give me anything at the moment17:06
Sicelothat's what sre is using for the modem work he's doing17:06
WizardNumberNextonly logs are from kp5217:07
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports17:07
DocScrutinizer05well, I guess it's watchdog17:08
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05, debug port? does it really have USB? My 1st N900 have broken USB and I do not have good enough tools to solder new one there17:09
DocScrutinizer05uh? how's debugport related to USB?17:10
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05, I don't know - kernel doesn't initialiaze any watchdogs, at least chouldn't as they are build as modules17:10
Siceloyou didn't open the link I gave you? even gives you actual useable component numbers, etc17:10
WizardNumberNextSicelo, I am on reading it17:11
DocScrutinizer05well, then that's probably already your problem, since I guess NOLO already does wake the hw watchdogs17:11
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WizardNumberNextso I would try to build-in watchdogs and see what happens17:16
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_002.jpg ff ... http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_009.jpg17:17
DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: you first of all should try flasher option to disable watchdogs17:18
Siceloi remember those too DocScrutinizer05 :)17:18
WizardNumberNextin rd mode?17:18
DocScrutinizer05yep17:19
DocScrutinizer05afaik NOLO obeys those settings too17:19
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DocScrutinizer05and iirc I heard u-boot already has trouble with WDs when not keeping them alive, so it seems evident that NOLO wakes them17:20
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05, it looks like you are right - I have both watchdogs built-in and now it stays on. Still blank&dark display, but it is still on17:24
DocScrutinizer05sure :-)17:24
WizardNumberNextcannot turn it off tough17:25
DocScrutinizer05hold power button for 10s17:25
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DocScrutinizer05should usually do a hard shutdown17:26
WizardNumberNextshould17:26
WizardNumberNextI tried twice laready with at least 10s of break between17:27
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WizardNumberNextbattery always works17:27
DocScrutinizer05well, I'm not sure about this particular one in twl4030, but usually power button triggers a timer that shuts down device after power button got held down for N seconds - *unless* kernel monitors and resets that timer17:28
WizardNumberNextwho knows, even if I would be able to understand everything in kernel, reading whole damn kernel would take lifetime17:29
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DocScrutinizer05when your kernel actually works and notices power button got pressed, and kernel emits a "powerbutton" event to userland and resets timer, then you're SOL with hard powerdown17:30
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DocScrutinizer05debug console would tell you ;-)17:30
DocScrutinizer05anyway your chances to get maemo userland working with vanilla kernel are approximately zilch17:31
DocScrutinizer05why would anybody want to do that?17:32
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon managed to get 3.12 or 3.14 running on N900 with maemo517:32
DocScrutinizer05why don't you use that kernel rather than any vamilla kernel?17:33
WizardNumberNextI would really like to do so17:38
WizardNumberNextI mean use fremangordon's kernel17:38
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WizardNumberNextI just need a link to it17:51
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DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1410991#post1410991  *shrug*18:35
DocScrutinizer05gitorious? github?18:36
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bencohare they porting blobs ? :(19:09
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Apic~combined ~emmc ~flasher19:15
Apic~combined19:15
infobotcombined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/19:15
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ApicDoes the RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin still need the Trick with setting Date to 2010 to install a Maemo Update?19:16
Apic~emmc19:16
infobotemmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin19:16
Apic~flasher19:18
infobotsomebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/19:18
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silviofApic: I think yes - you need to change the date19:29
ApicOk19:29
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t3st3rare there full list of magnets somewhere?19:40
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ApicIt does not list Maemo on the Updates… do i need to set Date back to the current one and then it'll finally list it?20:23
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ApicStill does not list Maemo Update after changing from 2010 to current Date.  B-(20:41
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ApicProduct Info shows Version "21.2011.38-1" though, isn't that quite current already?20:43
DocScrutinizer05which update? 21.2011.38-1 is the latest one20:43
DocScrutinizer05[2014-03-18 18:15:22] <infobot> combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia...20:44
ApicYes, i used the one infobot said20:44
ApicSo with this i do not need the Time-Travel Trick…20:45
DocScrutinizer05see the last 4 words20:45
ApicYes.20:45
ApicThanks.20:45
DocScrutinizer05nope, you usually don't need time travel, since it's only Nokia's pubkey/cert that expired. You however can get *real* updates from CSSU now, which doesn't have any expired keys20:51
DocScrutinizer05~cssu20:51
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU20:51
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ApicOkay21:08
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silviofApic: sorry21:09
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Apicsilviof: No Worries B-)21:15
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ApicAh, the SSU Thingy has a good Battery Status already. Fine, fine!22:08
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ApicAs U-Boot for being able to select to boot kernel-power, is "u-boot-flasher" better, or "uboot-pr13" ("RISKY INSTALL")22:18
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ApicWell, i'll try the "u-boot-flasher" which is _not_ especially marked as risky. ;-)22:20
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hxkahttps://www.dropbox.com/s/5u5ohctp8bx03v3/Millionare.jpg22:59
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silviofhxka: ouuuu - W-T-F!23:03
silviofhas he won?23:03
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silviofthe question was stupid, after I have look again the picture :-P23:17
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WizardNumberNextsilviof, hxka, from administrator point of view there was no right answer23:54
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