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| Maxdamantus | You won't be able to network /dev/camera. | 02:33 |
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| Maxdamantus | You'd need something that knows how to use /dev/camera on the phone, and something on the other side that knows how to talk to that. | 02:34 |
| Maxdamantus | Linux doesn't work like Plan 9 :( | 02:34 |
| Maxdamantus | Silly memory-changing ioctls and stuff. | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah yes | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's gstreamer then | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or writing to a "streamable" file on Neo900, and make that file a pipe if you want | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/file/file format/ | 02:46 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: or writing to a "streamable" file format on Neo900, and make that file a pipe if you want | 02:46 |
| Maxdamantus | Someone needs to write a Plan 9/Inferno mobile OS. | 02:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if the default mp4 format can get "streamed", i.e. playback start before end of file written and file closed | 02:47 | |
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| Maxdamantus | I saw a project that got some basic stuff done for it in Inferno. | 02:48 |
| Maxdamantus | so they had files you used to make calls and send/recieve SMSes, on some Android phone. | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inferno sounds concerningly similar to fiasco ;-P | 02:48 |
| Maxdamantus | and a simple UI for them. | 02:48 |
| Maxdamantus | Fiasco the thing I've noticed mentioned a few times in trying to figure out Maemo? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems those devels really like that stuff they do, eh? ;-P | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the firmware images are caled "fiasco image2 | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ | 02:49 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: the firmware images are caled "fiasco image" | 02:49 |
| Maxdamantus | Right, that's where I saw it. | 02:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 02:50 |
| infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:50 |
| Maxdamantus | so .. what does "fiasco image" mean? | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they had an idea of tongue in cheek naming it like "flask" and same time "desaster" | 02:50 |
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| Maxdamantus | well, what does the "fiasco" bit refer to? | 02:51 |
| Maxdamantus | why would it not be suitable to call it a "maemo image" or something? | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask Nokia ;-) | 02:51 |
| Maxdamantus | Wiki mentions there's an L4 microkernel family called "Fiasco" .. probably unrelated. | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Openmoko called their uBoot moko-dirty, Nokia called theirs NOLO which is about the same in Finnish language I heard | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moko is something in your nose, in Spanish - that for sure been not intended though | 02:53 |
| Maxdamantus | Mm .. apparently "nolo" is awkward/embarrassed. | 02:53 |
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| * Maxdamantus ymmärrän vähän suomea. | 02:54 | |
| Maxdamantus | ymmärrä* | 02:54 |
| wnd | ymmärtää | 02:54 |
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| Maxdamantus | helvetti | 02:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders hwy he can't help giggling each time he's seeing such words with lots of ää and ou | 02:55 | |
| wnd | close enough | 02:55 |
| wnd | "kääkättää" | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | works each time :-D | 02:55 |
| Maxdamantus | höyryjyrrä | 02:56 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders if he spelt that right. | 02:56 | |
| Maxdamantus | Funny word. | 02:56 |
| wnd | jyrä | 02:56 |
| wnd | again, close enough :-) | 02:56 |
| Maxdamantus | Kiitos. | 02:56 |
| wnd | Nobody would give me a decent answer when I asked why the image bundle was called "fiasco". I think they didn't know as all they said was "well, at this point it /is/ a disaster, right". | 02:59 |
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| Maxdamantus | Heh. | 02:59 |
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| Maxdamantus | Hmm .. maybe I'll see if I can port those guys' Inferno/Android project to N900 and make a better shell for it. | 03:01 |
| Maxdamantus | some time. | 03:01 |
| wnd | thinking about bygone times, it's a shame I didn't make a backup copy for n810's fte tool | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fte? | 03:08 |
| wnd | field test (environment?), a simple tool to monitor power usage of certain components such as gps and display, dump lots of status data etc. | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, cool stuff. We could use such thing | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now best we got is | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and ~zztop | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail | 03:11 |
| infobot | it has been said that bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~zztop | 03:11 |
| wnd | talking of which, doesn't the n900 cssu(-thumb)'s power menu widget use bq27k? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~zzztop | 03:11 |
| infobot | hmm... zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | power menu widget? | 03:12 |
| wnd | power menu power widget | 03:12 |
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| wnd | if you don't know what I'm talking it's probably because I don't know what I'm talking about | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, some system status area applets use the bq27200.ko kernel driver resp the sysnodes it provides. Alas this breaks bme | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali's bme-replacement uses bq27200 too, but it's no problem since it's integrated with bme replacement obviously | 03:14 |
| wnd | I haven't really been an active user of n900 from hacker's point of view... I used to use advanced power foo, which annoyingly made the power widget in power menu clickable and I decided to get rid of it, even if the stock widget wouldn't show charge percentage. | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other battery applets may use sysnodes of direct I2C interface to bq27200 hardware, just like bq27k-detail2 | 03:15 |
| wnd | Some time after that I switch to CSSU-thumb, and not too long ago the power widget changed. Now I'm not completely sure which one I have. ;-) | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, can't help ;-) | 03:16 |
| wnd | My original point was that the widget I now have, reports completely bogus "full charge" level. Right now it says the battery is at 1015 mAh, and full charge is at 167 mAh. | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, blame pali | 03:17 |
| wnd | obviously it doesn't bother me /that/ much, because it's been like this for maybe a month and I still haven't even looked into it | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you start to bother, you might want to calibrate your bq27200 chip | 03:17 |
| wnd | I suppose. the last time I did that was two years ago. | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a convenient script for that on my server | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nect to bq27k-detail2 | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next* | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, no soooo next: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh | 03:19 |
| wnd | I think it used to take me roughly 80 minutes to drain the battery | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the script does that overnight while you're sleeping | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when you switch the screen backlight to "always on" | 03:20 |
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| wnd | umm, do I want to run the script when I rely on n900 to wake me up? | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, not really | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather wait til next saturday ;-) | 03:21 |
| wnd | I mean, when I was doing this manually I had maybe five seconds to connect the charger once power chip was done | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though the script *should* restart charger and not even reboot the device | 03:21 |
| wnd | that's what the script looked like, but based on my previous experience... | 03:22 |
| wnd | well, I can wait | 03:22 |
| wnd | thanks for the script | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, when you cut through battery in 80min, your headroom after calibration is pretty short | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with the script you can go for a better and saner maybe 5h to discharge | 03:23 |
| wnd | sounds good | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this should extend the time from calib to shutdown to several minutes | 03:24 |
| wnd | I must admit that draining the battery that quickly left kind of wrong | 03:24 |
| wnd | felt, even | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and calibration isn't really accurate either | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery capacity depends on load | 03:25 |
| wnd | at least I left the keyboard slider open to help dissipate the heat | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | high load reduces effective capacity | 03:25 |
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| wnd | maybe I'll give the script a go at work | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like, on double power consumption your battery doesn't last 1/2 but maybe only 0.4 times as long | 03:26 |
| wnd | but before that I'll have to catch some sleep. need to be at work in ~six hours. | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8, sleep well | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any feedback re script welcome | 03:27 |
| wnd | oh, right, "fastcharger" here refers to high-amp wall charger? | 03:27 |
| wnd | mine says 1.2 amps | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suffices | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just nake sure to cd to the dir where bq27200.sh lives before you start the calib cript - it uses relative pathnames to bq27200.sh | 03:29 |
| wnd | I think I'll manage with bourne shell scripts :-) | 03:30 |
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| wnd | in fact, I'm slighly surprised to see no bashisms in there | 03:31 |
| wnd | lots of unnecessary semicolons, though | 03:31 |
| wnd | anyway, thanks :-) | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I love ; ;-) | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually they are remants from me testing that as a oneliner in N900 xterm | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when it worked I added a echo ' to left side and a '>calibrate.sh to right | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then inserted a bit of formatting but obviously didn't remove the surplus ; | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I should beautify that script a bit, eventually | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and printing a message about screen going dark and how to switch it on again, just before screen blanks, is a bit ... :o) | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, i wrote it for kerio | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just to demonstarte I know better way to calibrate bq27k chip than estel's method | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 03:42 |
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| Maxdamantus | DISPLAY=:2; (for ((x = 0; x < 500; x++)); do (urxvt +rv -bg "#$(for ((x = 0; x < 3; x++)); do echo -n $((echo 'obase = 16'; echo $((RANDOM % 256))) | bc | sed 's/^.$/0&/'); done)" &); done) | 03:53 |
| Maxdamantus | This is fun. | 03:53 |
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| r00t|home | Maxdamantus: fuck you | 04:03 |
| Tekk_ | cool | 04:04 |
| Tekk_ | if that does what I think it does.. | 04:05 |
| Maxdamantus | :2 is meant to be a display running Hildon. | 04:05 |
| r00t|home | remove the & and replace that with -e sleep .5 | 04:05 |
| r00t|home | it's a forkbomb otherwise | 04:06 |
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| Tekk_ | r00t|home: nah, pretty good idea of what goes on. Fork bomb-ish that keeps spawning urxvt with a random bg color riht? | 04:06 |
| Tekk_ | right* | 04:06 |
| r00t|home | well, it doesn't grow exponentially, but opening 500 terminal emulators isn't a nice idea really | 04:06 |
| Maxdamantus | Well, it's not a replicating forkbomb. | 04:06 |
| Tekk_ | yeah, that's why I said -ish, since it does end | 04:06 |
| Tekk_ | that's still a pain to close out though :P | 04:06 |
| Maxdamantus | killall urxvt | 04:07 |
| Maxdamantus | assuming you don't have any others running. | 04:07 |
| r00t|home | rxvt is my main terminal... | 04:07 |
| r00t|home | i did pkill -f \\+rv tho' | 04:07 |
| * Maxdamantus runs everything in tmux, so can just restart the terminal emulator and reattach. | 04:07 | |
| r00t|home | (from ssh) | 04:07 |
| Tekk_ | r00t|home: you have some serious security issues if you're just running shell code that people paste in irc :P | 04:08 |
| r00t|home | i' tired :P | 04:08 |
| r00t|home | i did look over it, and i saw that it doesn't loop infinitely... but i missed the & at the end because you hid it next to the ) | 04:09 |
| Tekk_ | ah | 04:09 |
| r00t|home | s/you/he/ | 04:09 |
| infobot | r00t|home meant: i did look over it, and i saw that it doesn't loop infinitely... but i missed the & at the end because he hid it next to the ) | 04:09 |
| r00t|home | and i didn't expect people to post forkbombs on #maemo really... especially dedicated maemo forkbombs... | 04:10 |
| r00t|home | xterm -fg black -bg \#$(printf %x%x%x $((RANDOM%0xff)) $((RANDOM%0xff)) $((RANDOM%0xff))) | 04:14 |
| r00t|home | printf is a shell builtin, unlike bc, and loop unrolled... and why open FIVEHUNDRED of them??? | 04:15 |
| Maxdamantus | but that can give you colours like #aaaa | 04:16 |
| r00t|home | %02x | 04:16 |
| Maxdamantus | can alternatively write it again more efficiently with bc/sed. | 04:16 |
| r00t|home | what would be better would be automatically picking a matching high-contrast foreground color | 04:17 |
| Maxdamantus | meh, cbf | 04:17 |
| r00t|home | also, for such stuff, i usually run Xnest :1 -noreset ... while sleep .1 ;do DISPLAY=:1 xsetroot -solid $(printf \#%02x%02x%02x\\n $((RANDOM%0xff)) $((RANDOM%0xff)) $((RANDOM%0xff))); done | 04:22 |
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| Maxdamantus | for ((z = 0; z < 10; z++)); do echo 'obase = 16'; for ((x = y = 0; x < 3; x++)); do y=$((y*256 + RANDOM%256)); done; echo $y; done | bc | sed 's/^.$/0&/; s/^..$/0&/; | 04:25 |
| Maxdamantus | s/^...$/0&/; s/^....$/0&/; s/^.....$/0&/;' | while read w; do (xterm -fg black -bg "#$w" &); done | 04:25 |
| Maxdamantus | meh, got cut off. | 04:25 |
| Maxdamantus | one bc process, one sed process, no inbuilt printf. | 04:25 |
| Maxdamantus | cut in half* | 04:26 |
| r00t|home | still silly to use bc and sed when printf will do | 04:26 |
| r00t|home | still don't get why you'd open so many | 04:27 |
| Maxdamantus | I imagine some people might be inclined to claim that spawning hundreds of terminals with random background colours is already silly. | 04:27 |
| Maxdamantus | Just to see how much laggier Hildon was with that many windows. | 04:28 |
| r00t|home | the effect might look good... maybe more so if you add a little lsd | 04:28 |
| Maxdamantus | but it's just running on a computer, not an N900. | 04:28 |
| r00t|home | well, i guess launching 500 terminal emulators will lag pretty much any system, if opened in a loop like that | 04:28 |
| Tekk_ | I should try it on my desktop, that'll be a fun test | 04:29 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm. Didn't lag my system. | 04:29 |
| Tekk_ | 8 core 4 ghz, 16 gigs ram :P | 04:29 |
| r00t|home | Tekk_: and no mozilla products running, eh? :P | 04:29 |
| Maxdamantus | 4 core 3.6 GHz, 32 gigs ram | 04:29 |
| Tekk_ | r00t|home: not unless I need to | 04:29 |
| r00t|home | <-- 2-core 4gig ram | 04:29 |
| r00t|home | <-- goes sit in a corner and cry | 04:29 |
| Tekk_ | r00t|home: my laptop is 2 core and 2 gig | 04:30 |
| Maxdamantus | my Mozilla-based browser is currently using 8.7% of RAM with 179 tabs. | 04:30 |
| r00t|home | mine too... well, one of mine | 04:30 |
| Tekk_ | I just happened to upgrade my desktop this winter :) | 04:30 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, two weeks ago I was using a 4-core with 3 GiB of RAM. | 04:30 |
| Maxdamantus | I had another 1 GiB stick, but the slot on the motherboard is broken. | 04:31 |
| r00t|home | ram's so cheap nowadays... | 04:31 |
| Maxdamantus | I know. | 04:31 |
| r00t|home | maybe i should upgrade sometime | 04:31 |
| Maxdamantus | That's why I bought 32 GiB of it. | 04:31 |
| r00t|home | but what for... just so mozilla can eat all the ram... | 04:31 |
| Maxdamantus | more RAM seems more important to me than a faster X | 04:31 |
| Maxdamantus | a faster X just means some things get done slightly quicker | 04:32 |
| Maxdamantus | more RAM means more things can be potentially done (without taking excessive amounts of time) | 04:32 |
| r00t|home | you mean X window system or X as in random system component? | 04:32 |
| Maxdamantus | X as in a random system component | 04:32 |
| r00t|home | sure | 04:32 |
| r00t|home | actually the last system i bought was an atom with 4gig ram | 04:33 |
| r00t|home | http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html | 04:34 |
| r00t|home | great system for most general purposes | 04:34 |
| Maxdamantus | I saw a nice second-hand motherboard the other day that I could use with my previous computer. | 04:36 |
| Maxdamantus | wonder if I should buy it. | 04:36 |
| Maxdamantus | Might replace my current Pentium 3 router. | 04:36 |
| r00t|home | my router is a 586... | 04:36 |
| r00t|home | (other advantage of that intel board is, it runs off a single DC power source, notebook supply instead of bulky atx supply) | 04:38 |
| Maxdamantus | Hmm .. though I was planning on doing something with the parallel port at some point. | 04:38 |
| Maxdamantus | none of my other computers have parallel ports/headers | 04:39 |
| r00t|home | waht? and even if so, there a re pcie parallel port cards | 04:39 |
| r00t|home | *what | 04:39 |
| Maxdamantus | seeing if I can use the analogue sticks on this PS2 controller. | 04:39 |
| Maxdamantus | when it's plugged into a PSX→USB adapter, the analogue just turns off straight away. | 04:40 |
| Maxdamantus | and the controller doesn't work at all in an actual PS2. | 04:41 |
| Maxdamantus | maybe I'll just buy a PS3 controller (don't intend on getting a PS3) | 04:41 |
| r00t|home | so just to try it the parport joypad driver | 04:41 |
| r00t|home | *with the | 04:42 |
| Maxdamantus | I'd like to play Ape Escape again (probably in a PSX emulator) | 04:42 |
| Maxdamantus | Possibly. | 04:42 |
| Maxdamantus | There's another utility as well, that works in userspace. | 04:42 |
| Maxdamantus | and can also communicate with PSX cards | 04:43 |
| r00t|home | the usual way to go nowadays is microcontrollers with usb hookup... granted, more complex than just wiring to a parport | 04:44 |
| Maxdamantus | Indeed :\ | 04:45 |
| Maxdamantus | though motherboards still do have serial headers .. not sure why you can't theoretically use UART. | 04:46 |
| Maxdamantus | The Linux IR thing works over UART. | 04:46 |
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| r00t|home | but serial interfaces are easier to replace with usb, not timing critical, unlike the partport abuse | 04:47 |
| Maxdamantus | (that sends signals at something like 44 kHz) | 04:47 |
| Maxdamantus | (using the DTR pin) | 04:47 |
| Tekk_ | ape escape was psx? | 04:49 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes. | 04:49 |
| Tekk_ | I always thought it was dc | 04:49 |
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| Maxdamantus | I think they might've released something for that. | 04:50 |
| Maxdamantus | but the first game (which I have the disc for somewhere) was PS1. | 04:50 |
| * Maxdamantus has only played the first one. | 04:51 | |
| Maxdamantus | Hm. Maybe they didn't make one for DC. | 04:51 |
| r00t|home | should port all that parport using stuff to something like http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_BIN=1&_nkw=CY7C68013A&_sop=15&_rdc=1 | 04:52 |
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| Maxdamantus | Do/cat people run new kernels on the N900? | 05:01 |
| Maxdamantus | s/cat/can/ | 05:01 |
| infobot | Maxdamantus meant: Do/can people run new kernels on the N900? | 05:01 |
| FIQ | there has been experimentation with it | 05:02 |
| FIQ | but not in any stable form atm | 05:02 |
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| Maxdamantus | test | 05:08 |
| Maxdamantus | s/./&/ | 05:08 |
| Maxdamantus | Meh. | 05:08 |
| Maxdamantus | oh, that wouldn't do anything. | 05:09 |
| Tekk_ | try it now though :P | 05:09 |
| Maxdamantus | s/./&&/ | 05:09 |
| infobot | Maxdamantus meant: oh, that wouldn't do anything&& | 05:09 |
| Maxdamantus | O_o | 05:09 |
| Maxdamantus | so it doesn't actually use any regex. | 05:10 |
| FIQ | no it doesn't | 05:13 |
| FIQ | s/no it doesn't/see\?/ | 05:13 |
| infobot | FIQ meant: see\? | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you all have serious problems with chanops when you post forkbombs and similar stuff in IRC | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, according to eternal laws... | 05:17 |
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| *** Maxdamantus was kicked by DocScrutinizer05 (User terminated!) | 05:17 | |
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| Maxdamantus | Sorry .. but in my defence .. I wouldn't consider that a forkbomb. | 05:18 |
| Maxdamantus | just as compiling a kernel is not invoking a forkbomb. | 05:18 |
| FIQ | did I miss something? | 05:18 |
| FIQ | if this is the case, sorry | 05:18 |
| Tekk_ | hm | 05:19 |
| Tekk_ | Maxdamantus: the weirdest thing about that is that maemo uses display 2, really | 05:19 |
| Tekk_ | was it some arbitrary choice or are 0 and 1 taken for something? | 05:19 |
| Tekk_ | (obviously backdoor sessions to allow european spy agencies to spy) | 05:19 |
| Maxdamantus | the maemo in scratchbox seems to use display :2. | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, or #rm -rf root is not a fork. Rule: do not paste stuff that could do harm to any other user that c6P it to their terminal. Particularly not when you sugest they should do that | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | C&P | 05:20 |
| FIQ | nvm, read scrollback now | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I consider that a minor case, thus I wasn't kick-happy | 05:23 |
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| * FIQ copy/paste Doc's script | 05:23 | |
| Tekk_ | oh DocScrutinizer05, are there any plans as far as an fm transmitter in the neo900? | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that script isn't supposed to do "harm" | 05:24 |
| FIQ | (ok not really) | 05:24 |
| Tekk_ | my transmitter just died a week or two ago | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Tekk_: sure | 05:24 |
| Tekk_ | cool | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems the TiWi5 has FMTX, though not officially supported by the manufacturer | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll check if it works nevertheless, so we don't need another FMTX solution | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((display=:2)) might relate to shaking hands video, or pin/lockcode dialog which is started before hildon | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even that silly progress jumping-dots | 05:34 |
| Maxdamantus | So Hildon doesn't usually run on :2 on the N900 itself? | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though: | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo $DISPLAY | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :0.0 | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, ok, you're talking about console number | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right? | 05:36 |
| Maxdamantus | No. | 05:36 |
| Maxdamantus | it's just Xorg/X11. | 05:37 |
| Maxdamantus | maemo-scratchbox tries to connect to :2 by default. | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, prolly since :0 is already used by the host | 05:38 |
| Maxdamantus | but :1 isn't. | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends | 05:38 |
| Maxdamantus | It's something someone set. | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you run scratchbox in a dedicated session, then probably :1 is also occupied | 05:38 |
| Maxdamantus | it doesn't check what displays are running, and you're meant to run the display yourself. | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno | 05:39 |
| Maxdamantus | I mounted my /tmp/.X11-unix into the scratchbox chroot after logging into it. | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to install that mess a 3rd time on my PC. Will use VM instead | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my current PC is beefy enough for VM | 05:42 |
| Maxdamantus | it shouldn't really be any more messy using a chroot. | 05:42 |
| Maxdamantus | (for the entire debian system) | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no debian system here | 05:42 |
| Maxdamantus | you can install debootstrap on a bunch of distributions (not limited to Debian) | 05:42 |
| Maxdamantus | then just run something like: debootstrap <repo> <directory> | 05:43 |
| kwtm | Is there a way to disable a certain notification signal such as "SMS has arrived"? I don't want to make the volume zero, or to make a very brief sound file; I want there to be no sound file at all. | 05:43 |
| Maxdamantus | and then you can `chroot <directory> /bin/bash` and do whatever. | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, starting a VM is so much simpler | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and not cluttering my mounts | 05:43 |
| kwtm | I have gotten dbus-scripts to espeak the name of the sender of an SMS that I got, but the notification sound interrupts the espeak sound and it gets cut off. | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: sleep 5 ? | 05:44 |
| Maxdamantus | for a VM you need to install it onto a (probably virtual) disk, configure it to boot, connect to the network, etc | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I simply start the SDK-VM | 05:45 |
| Maxdamantus | eh, I guess you could do that. | 05:45 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: I guess sleep 5 would do, although it's not a very elegant solution. Oh, well, I guess it will have to do. | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either that or you silence the notification sound | 05:46 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: That's what I'm asking: can I get rid of it? If I just set the notification sound to 0, it still cuts off the espeak sound. | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | replace soundfile with a 0-byte file | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or /dev/null ;-P | 05:47 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Hmm... a non-existent sound file or an invalid sound file ... I wonder whether that would work? | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 05:48 |
| kwtm | Remind me also to check why mplayer can play sounds even when the profile is set to silent ... I guess somehow it bypasses the usual control. | 05:48 |
| Maxdamantus | they should both just be invalid sound files. | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but a 0-file is better | 05:48 |
| kwtm | Okay. | 05:48 |
| Maxdamantus | /dev/null is essentially a 0-byte file. | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (though you prolly can't get /dev/null for soundfile) | 05:49 |
| Maxdamantus | though if you look closely, it's also a character device. | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >silence.wav | 05:49 |
| kwtm | Drat, gotta go. Will be back later -- please continue to discuss aloud for my benefit. :) Especially the Neo900 ... I need plans for after both my N900's fail. | 05:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is afk too | 05:50 | |
| kwtm | Ok, you mean like touch /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds/nothingness.mp3 or something | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 05:50 |
| * Maxdamantus doesn't have an N900 yet, so doesn't have much to contribute. | 05:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | touch == > | 05:50 |
| kwtm | ok. Off to dinner. | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least for the basic parameter-less `touch` a simple `>` does it | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you don't want to touch an existing file | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to, you'd better off with >> | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | touch == >> | 05:53 |
| Maxdamantus | cat = < | 05:53 |
| Maxdamantus | in some contexts | 05:53 |
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| * Maxdamantus wonders why it doesn't work in all. | 05:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because it's meant for stdin | 05:54 |
| Maxdamantus | < doesn't do anything with stdin | 05:54 |
| Maxdamantus | I mean at the beginning of a command, like you used > | 05:55 |
| Maxdamantus | echo $(<foo) | 05:55 |
| Maxdamantus | echo $(cat foo) | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | * | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo * | 05:57 |
| Maxdamantus | echo doesn't read the file contents of files. | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a plain * is quite "interesting" | 05:58 |
| Maxdamantus | Scare quotes mandatory. | 05:59 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders if any bash contributers understand bash. | 05:59 | |
| Maxdamantus | contributors* | 05:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 06:02 |
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| Aggese | DocScrutinizer have you seen this one http://ask.slashdot.org/story/14/01/26/1950237/ask-slashdot-life-after-n900 ? | 12:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes. thanks | 12:44 |
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| wnd | Japod 1350 mAh replacement battery for N900, measured as ~1330 mAh when unused, now after two years and ~260 cycles, 1153 mAh. I'm not complaining much. | 16:31 |
| wnd | power menu power widget still reports 62/167 mAh, though :-) | 16:32 |
| wnd | restarting hildon-home would have probably done the same thing, but after reboot it now reports max 1247 mAh. I wonder where from it's getting this. | 16:35 |
| wnd | status-area-applet-battery (1.0-8) comes from pali / repository.maemo.org, and it shows data very similar to power menu widget. Power menu widget says 59 % (747 mAh / 1247 mAh), while bq says [CR]SOC 21 %, NAC/CACD/CACT 247 mAh, max 1153 mAh. | 16:44 |
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| jaska | i wonder what my mugen is at in reality now.. hmm. | 16:49 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 17:05 |
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