IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2014-01-24

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DocScrutinizer05rather exactly my issue than just related00:00
jaska 1798 user     93124 S    /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu00:08
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jaskahmmm.00:08
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DocScrutinizer05hmm?00:11
jaskai dont remember it growing that big00:12
DocScrutinizer05err00:12
DocScrutinizer05user      1766  0.0  0.2   3936   536 ?        Ss    2013   0:00 /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu00:13
DocScrutinizer05user      1768  0.2  3.1  98240  7620 ?        Ssl   2013 248:12 /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu00:13
jaskaah ok. was just remembering wrong then as i updated my ancient cssu00:13
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Maxdamantusthe numlock should change as you switch between the console and Xorg, if it's in a different state in both.00:16
Maxdamantuseach console can have the locks in different states.00:17
* Maxdamantus remembers writing programs that read and wrote to devices in /dev/input/* to make the lights make funny patterns as you typed.00:19
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Maxdamantusah, nvm, didn't understand the problem at first.00:23
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r00t_DocScrutinizer05: did you know http://archive.is/lP093 (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd), an n900 rescue system to be loaded into ram via flasher?00:43
DocScrutinizer05hmm?00:43
r00t_you can boot it even if your rootfs is shot00:43
DocScrutinizer05~rescueos00:43
infobotsomebody said rescueos was http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/00:43
r00t_"This project is _NOT_ the meego rescue initrd."00:44
r00t_k00:44
DocScrutinizer05http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/documentation.txt00:45
r00t_that's what i copied from, yes00:45
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r00t_anyway, thanks... should have found that earlier00:47
DocScrutinizer05wow, wiki.meego.com still exists? thought they nukes meego.com completely00:48
DocScrutinizer05nuked*00:48
r00t_that url is a copy of that one page00:49
DocScrutinizer05aaah00:49
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm a tad grumpy00:51
DocScrutinizer05thanks for letting us know, anyway00:51
r00t_i was just wondering why i did not run into that (or rescueos) earlier... seems a bit underdocumented00:52
DocScrutinizer05hmm yeah, rescueOS for sure could use some more PR00:53
DocScrutinizer05nin101 is a shy sissi ;-P00:53
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo rescueos00:54
infobotrescueos -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Sun Sep  2 16:57:34 2012 (508 days); last modified at Thu Aug 29 14:08:40 2013 by kerio!~kerio@Maemo/community/contributor/kerio; it has been requested 49 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 10m 23s ago.00:54
DocScrutinizer05hmm00:54
r00t_the meego reascue image has the cute advatange of not having a keyboard map, and having usb networking but no single network client or server00:54
keriolol00:55
DocScrutinizer05yeah00:55
DocScrutinizer05;-P00:55
DocScrutinizer05extremely useful00:55
r00t_the only special characters you can type are <>., cursor keys and enter00:55
DocScrutinizer05:nod:00:56
DocScrutinizer05absolutely sufficient, no? X-P00:56
r00t_yeah :D00:56
keriosshd<RET>00:56
DocScrutinizer05ooh, i guess you have <tab>00:56
r00t_kerio, as i said, no clients or servers00:56
r00t_no tab either00:56
kerio...oh00:56
r00t_and busybox has a - in it's name, so you can't call applets that are not symlinked (like telnetd?)00:56
r00t_well, i guess rescueos is a bit better, will try00:57
DocScrutinizer05ctrl-i ?00:57
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DocScrutinizer05rescueos is awesome, I heard00:57
r00t_good one00:57
DocScrutinizer05on maemo.cloud-7 there's an older version that still uses a kernel compatible with the stock maemo kernel00:59
DocScrutinizer05nin101 thought it's leete to go for new kernel01:00
DocScrutinizer05iirc01:00
r00t_thanks, will try...01:00
r00t_later01:00
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DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/n900-new/206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/CHANGELOG01:07
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: nice -20 swapoff /dev/mmcblk1p2 &&  #<-- does that really work? (the nice -20)01:16
r00t^homei like how rescueos contains 'fdformat'01:16
DocScrutinizer05lol01:17
DocScrutinizer05messybox-paua, eh?01:17
r00t^homewell, at least all applets are linked, unlike on the meego initrd01:18
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: actually my mind boggles form those 5 scriptlines in http://enivax.net/jk/n900/reswap.sh.txt01:23
DocScrutinizer05swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 >/dev/null 2>&1 || echo cow01:23
DocScrutinizer05nice -20 swapoff /dev/mmcblk1p2 &&01:24
DocScrutinizer05iostat -md mmcblk0p2 | grep mmcblk0p2 | awk '{print $6}' >/root/reswap.stat01:24
DocScrutinizer05/home/user/swapon -p 10 /dev/mmcblk1p2 &&01:24
DocScrutinizer05nice -20 swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 &&01:24
DocScrutinizer05swapon /dev/mmcblk0p301:24
DocScrutinizer05------ last two lines are especially mindboggling01:24
DocScrutinizer05without the last line it might make sense01:25
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: aiui you rely on nice -20 blocking the parent script from execution until the background process finished?01:33
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hannerhi13:15
hannerdid anyone save ht efirmware images for n900 anywhere?13:16
hannertrying to reflash here, all links on the wiki dead :/13:16
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Ashley`http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/13:18
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hannerthanks a lot :)13:18
Ashley`No problem :P13:19
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Ashley`(i have also RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and  RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin on my HDD, just in case)13:22
FIQhm13:29
FIQRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin  RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin13:29
FIQis your combined released later?13:29
FIQ(never understood how these numbers worked)13:30
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wndiirc year + week number (based on which calendar?)13:33
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Ashley`<FIQ> is your combined released later?13:43
Ashley`I don't know13:43
Ashley`I knew nothing about n900 when I downloaded it13:44
Ashley`(i still know nothing xD)13:44
Ashley`but it works13:44
Ashley`(maybe that causes u-boot error? :s)13:44
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wnd know there's a dead thread about this at tmo, but I shall give it a try anyway. Do you happen to have backups for any of the map packages for N810's Maps around?13:49
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jaskahmm.. werent those demand-loaded by the maps application? or am i imagining13:49
jaskaand you had to have some sort of license for them13:50
wndhey were, but at one point you could get those from navicore's web server by simply going on the index page of the files. Yes I know, redistributing the files would be, umm, questionable at best.13:51
wndthe last I asked my co-worker, he didn't manage to rebuild the maps from one of his old harddrives from his Navicore days13:52
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wnddemand-loaded as in pre-retrieved by region (e.g. scandinavia and north america), but only after user interaction13:56
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Ashley`hmmm14:12
Ashley`anyone remember talk about right click by long-press?14:12
Ashley`maybe I'll find it in logs..14:12
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Ashley`http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-01-11.log.html#t2014-01-11T16:52:4414:17
Ashley`MicroB doesn't give a fsck about RMB event14:18
Ashley`Xchat does...14:19
Ashley`It's probably because it's port of desktop aplication :P14:20
trxwhat do you mean?14:20
trxmicroB responds to right click14:21
Ashley`not for me14:21
Ashley`oh14:21
Ashley`it does now14:21
trx;)14:21
Ashley`it was probably to busy14:21
Ashley`to respond at first try14:21
Ashley`xD14:21
Ashley`(pacman and LXDE and microb were running simul.. sim... let me google that word... simultaneously! yeah, they were runing simultaneously)14:23
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Ashley`Is there something like BlueMaemo, but using LAN or USB instead of Bluetooth?14:46
Ashley`I don't have bluetooth in any of my computers :f14:46
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hxkaAshley`: For USB I only found this topic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6207115:16
hxkaFor network, well, you can use vnc15:17
hxkahttp://wiki.maemo.org/Remote_desktop15:17
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hanninghey17:26
hanningdoes anyone know what happened to the icecast2 package for maemo?17:26
hanninglooks like it once was available in extras-testing17:27
sixwheeledbeast~pkg17:29
infobot[pkg] http://maemo.org/packages/17:29
sixwheeledbeasthttp://maemo.org/packages/view/icecast2/ I suspect it's unavailable via HAM due to incorrect section in control file17:30
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sixwheeledbeastbut nothing has "happened" to that pkg since 201017:31
hanninghm17:32
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; busybox nice seems a bit broken anyway21:02
ShadowJKThe intention was to run at idle prio21:03
freemangordonShadowJK: hmm, I am almost sure renice works21:04
ShadowJK"nice" not "renice"21:04
freemangordonbut don;t they do similar things?21:05
freemangordonI know nice is not renoce :)21:05
freemangordon*renice21:05
ShadowJK"nice top" should run top at niceness 10, iirc21:05
ShadowJKseems to end up as 0 anyway :)21:05
ShadowJKbusybox or ohmd, I guess?21:06
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; swapoff uses horribly inefficient algorithm and is kinda CPU-bound, so if it ran at -20 it would be bad. Idle prio desireable :)21:07
freemangordonmost probably bb, iirc ohmd/cgroups does not do any special handling besides the stuff in /syspart21:07
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ShadowJKdocscrutinizer: also, no background process present21:12
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ShadowJKLast two lines: turn off emmc swap, but turn it on again (defaults to lower priority than uSD), just in case I for some reason manually disable uSD swap in case I want to remove the back cover or something, and forget to enable emmc swap first...21:13
DocScrutinizer05busybox nice is fubar21:18
DocScrutinizer05s/nice//21:19
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: busybox  is fubar21:19
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# which nice21:20
DocScrutinizer05/usr/bin/gnu/nice21:20
DocScrutinizer05drove me crazy while testing childspin21:21
DocScrutinizer05when users say the *want* busybox, i honestly question their sanity21:22
DocScrutinizer05they*21:22
DocScrutinizer05messybox is a POS21:22
DocScrutinizer05or rather, busybox is excellent, for the stuff it's ment for21:23
DocScrutinizer05~messybox21:23
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils21:23
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, messybox is messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils21:24
infobotDocScrutinizer05: I think you lost me on that one21:24
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils21:25
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0521:25
DocScrutinizer05~messybox21:25
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils21:25
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils21:26
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0521:26
DocScrutinizer05~messybox21:26
infobotfrom memory, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils21:26
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: busybox nice needs to get done via renice, *after* starting the process you want to assign a niceness to, obviously21:27
ShadowJKMy current version contains killall -STOP browserd at the start, and -CONT at the end :-)21:28
Ashley`test21:28
DocScrutinizer05fail21:28
Ashley`s/e/oa/g21:28
infobotAshley` meant: toast21:28
Ashley`oh21:28
Ashley`cool21:28
DocScrutinizer05why /g ?21:29
Ashley`i dont know... :|21:29
DocScrutinizer05you dont need /g unless you want all occurrences21:29
Ashley`I know :v21:29
DocScrutinizer05s/o/X/21:29
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: yXu dont need /g unless you want all occurrences21:29
DocScrutinizer05s/o/X/g21:29
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: yXu dXnt need /g unless yXu want all Xccurrences21:29
DocScrutinizer05however infobot does no proper perl regex, rather a silly findstr and replace21:30
DocScrutinizer05no wildccards, no delimiters other than /, no special cjars in string21:31
DocScrutinizer05s./."/".21:31
DocScrutinizer05fails for 7 out of 8 chars21:32
DocScrutinizer05;)21:32
Ashley`~Ashley`21:32
infobotmethinks ashley` is a cat21:32
Ashley`yay21:32
Ashley`xD21:32
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo Ashley`21:32
infobotashley` -- created by Ashley` <me@unaffiliated/ashley/x-5226587> 47s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by Ashley`, 17s ago.21:32
DocScrutinizer05you can even lock your "own" factoid21:33
DocScrutinizer05like ~lock Ashley`21:33
Ashley`~infobot21:33
infobotrumour has it, infobot is an IRC bot written in perl. Sources available on http://infobot.sourceforge.net/21:33
Ashley`~lock Ashley`21:33
infobotlocking factoid ashley`, Ashley`21:33
Ashley`huh21:33
Ashley`i dont like perl :P21:34
DocScrutinizer05now no trolls can mess with your nick factoid21:34
DocScrutinizer05wo does?21:34
Ashley`~perl21:34
infobotperl is, like, at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language21:34
DocScrutinizer05hehehe21:35
DocScrutinizer05knitting stitch, eh?21:36
DocScrutinizer05rubbish lister sounds about correct21:36
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DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, messybox is <reply>messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils21:40
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0521:40
DocScrutinizer05~messybox21:40
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils21:40
DocScrutinizer05~busybox21:41
infobot[busybox] the swiss army knife of embedded linux.  It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc.  See http://www.busybox.net/.21:41
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DocScrutinizer05*burrrp*21:41
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DocScrutinizer05you know about swiss army knife?21:42
DocScrutinizer05nobody using it when they got decent tools as well. It's always the last choice before final failure21:42
DocScrutinizer05not even the manufacturers suggest it could replace even a real knife, not to talk about all the other 478 tools it has integrated21:43
DocScrutinizer05http://www.shop4wenger.co.uk/wenger_giant_swiss_army_knife_2.jpg21:45
DocScrutinizer05looks pretty much like messybox XP21:45
jaskaheh21:47
jaskai suppose you can drop that on someone to kill21:47
jaskaor leave it on floor in hopes of someone stepping on it in the dark21:48
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DocScrutinizer05ln -s /bin/busybox wenger-GIANT21:48
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* ShadowJK currently commands a 6 metre long tool trolley at work21:49
ShadowJKsometimes even a regular knife is more convenient than fetching the entire arsenal :)21:50
DocScrutinizer05http://www.amazon.com/Wenger-16999-Swiss-Knife-Giant/product-reviews/B001DZTJRQ21:50
DocScrutinizer05ROTFL!!   >>Cons - No lanyard hole, and the included awl won't reach around to make one.<<21:52
ShadowJKbrilliant21:53
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DocScrutinizer05>>the Internet in solid form<<21:56
DocScrutinizer05>>I had it in my hip pocket, then I fell down. When I got up, I was dead. Other than that, it's ok<<21:57
sixwheeledbeast"jack of all trades, master of none", springs to mind.21:57
DocScrutinizer05jaska: >>I was unaware of how useful this would become. I received this as a graduation present two weeks ago, and three days ago I was carrying it around downtown, trying to figure out what to do with it, when I was pulled into a dark ally and had a gun pointed at my head. Reacting on instinct, I swung whatever was in my hand at the attacker....<<22:00
jaskait lacks a lament configuration22:01
DocScrutinizer05>>...The state coroner's report on my mugger is nearly eighteen pages long...<<<22:01
jaska:D22:01
DocScrutinizer05dang, you know I got hurt by busybox badly22:02
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SAiFgoodnite22:32
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r00t|home"The gas tank on the chainsaw is too small for deep-woods logging."23:21
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