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| DocScrutinizer05 | rather exactly my issue than just related | 00:00 |
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| jaska | 1798 user 93124 S /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu | 00:08 |
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| jaska | hmmm. | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 00:11 |
| jaska | i dont remember it growing that big | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | user 1766 0.0 0.2 3936 536 ? Ss 2013 0:00 /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | user 1768 0.2 3.1 98240 7620 ? Ssl 2013 248:12 /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu | 00:13 |
| jaska | ah ok. was just remembering wrong then as i updated my ancient cssu | 00:13 |
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| Maxdamantus | the numlock should change as you switch between the console and Xorg, if it's in a different state in both. | 00:16 |
| Maxdamantus | each console can have the locks in different states. | 00:17 |
| * Maxdamantus remembers writing programs that read and wrote to devices in /dev/input/* to make the lights make funny patterns as you typed. | 00:19 | |
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| Maxdamantus | ah, nvm, didn't understand the problem at first. | 00:23 |
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| r00t_ | DocScrutinizer05: did you know http://archive.is/lP093 (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd), an n900 rescue system to be loaded into ram via flasher? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 00:43 |
| r00t_ | you can boot it even if your rootfs is shot | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos | 00:43 |
| infobot | somebody said rescueos was http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 00:43 |
| r00t_ | "This project is _NOT_ the meego rescue initrd." | 00:44 |
| r00t_ | k | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/documentation.txt | 00:45 |
| r00t_ | that's what i copied from, yes | 00:45 |
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| r00t_ | anyway, thanks... should have found that earlier | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, wiki.meego.com still exists? thought they nukes meego.com completely | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nuked* | 00:48 |
| r00t_ | that url is a copy of that one page | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm a tad grumpy | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for letting us know, anyway | 00:51 |
| r00t_ | i was just wondering why i did not run into that (or rescueos) earlier... seems a bit underdocumented | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yeah, rescueOS for sure could use some more PR | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nin101 is a shy sissi ;-P | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo rescueos | 00:54 |
| infobot | rescueos -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Sun Sep 2 16:57:34 2012 (508 days); last modified at Thu Aug 29 14:08:40 2013 by kerio!~kerio@Maemo/community/contributor/kerio; it has been requested 49 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 10m 23s ago. | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 00:54 |
| r00t_ | the meego reascue image has the cute advatange of not having a keyboard map, and having usb networking but no single network client or server | 00:54 |
| kerio | lol | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | extremely useful | 00:55 |
| r00t_ | the only special characters you can type are <>., cursor keys and enter | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | absolutely sufficient, no? X-P | 00:56 |
| r00t_ | yeah :D | 00:56 |
| kerio | sshd<RET> | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, i guess you have <tab> | 00:56 |
| r00t_ | kerio, as i said, no clients or servers | 00:56 |
| r00t_ | no tab either | 00:56 |
| kerio | ...oh | 00:56 |
| r00t_ | and busybox has a - in it's name, so you can't call applets that are not symlinked (like telnetd?) | 00:56 |
| r00t_ | well, i guess rescueos is a bit better, will try | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl-i ? | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rescueos is awesome, I heard | 00:57 |
| r00t_ | good one | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo.cloud-7 there's an older version that still uses a kernel compatible with the stock maemo kernel | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nin101 thought it's leete to go for new kernel | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 01:00 |
| r00t_ | thanks, will try... | 01:00 |
| r00t_ | later | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/n900-new/206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/CHANGELOG | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: nice -20 swapoff /dev/mmcblk1p2 && #<-- does that really work? (the nice -20) | 01:16 |
| r00t^home | i like how rescueos contains 'fdformat' | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | messybox-paua, eh? | 01:17 |
| r00t^home | well, at least all applets are linked, unlike on the meego initrd | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: actually my mind boggles form those 5 scriptlines in http://enivax.net/jk/n900/reswap.sh.txt | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 >/dev/null 2>&1 || echo cow | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice -20 swapoff /dev/mmcblk1p2 && | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iostat -md mmcblk0p2 | grep mmcblk0p2 | awk '{print $6}' >/root/reswap.stat | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user/swapon -p 10 /dev/mmcblk1p2 && | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice -20 swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 && | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ------ last two lines are especially mindboggling | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without the last line it might make sense | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: aiui you rely on nice -20 blocking the parent script from execution until the background process finished? | 01:33 |
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| hanner | hi | 13:15 |
| hanner | did anyone save ht efirmware images for n900 anywhere? | 13:16 |
| hanner | trying to reflash here, all links on the wiki dead :/ | 13:16 |
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| Ashley` | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ | 13:18 |
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| hanner | thanks a lot :) | 13:18 |
| Ashley` | No problem :P | 13:19 |
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| Ashley` | (i have also RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin on my HDD, just in case) | 13:22 |
| FIQ | hm | 13:29 |
| FIQ | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 13:29 |
| FIQ | is your combined released later? | 13:29 |
| FIQ | (never understood how these numbers worked) | 13:30 |
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| wnd | iirc year + week number (based on which calendar?) | 13:33 |
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| Ashley` | <FIQ> is your combined released later? | 13:43 |
| Ashley` | I don't know | 13:43 |
| Ashley` | I knew nothing about n900 when I downloaded it | 13:44 |
| Ashley` | (i still know nothing xD) | 13:44 |
| Ashley` | but it works | 13:44 |
| Ashley` | (maybe that causes u-boot error? :s) | 13:44 |
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| wnd | know there's a dead thread about this at tmo, but I shall give it a try anyway. Do you happen to have backups for any of the map packages for N810's Maps around? | 13:49 |
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| jaska | hmm.. werent those demand-loaded by the maps application? or am i imagining | 13:49 |
| jaska | and you had to have some sort of license for them | 13:50 |
| wnd | hey were, but at one point you could get those from navicore's web server by simply going on the index page of the files. Yes I know, redistributing the files would be, umm, questionable at best. | 13:51 |
| wnd | the last I asked my co-worker, he didn't manage to rebuild the maps from one of his old harddrives from his Navicore days | 13:52 |
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| wnd | demand-loaded as in pre-retrieved by region (e.g. scandinavia and north america), but only after user interaction | 13:56 |
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| Ashley` | hmmm | 14:12 |
| Ashley` | anyone remember talk about right click by long-press? | 14:12 |
| Ashley` | maybe I'll find it in logs.. | 14:12 |
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| Ashley` | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-01-11.log.html#t2014-01-11T16:52:44 | 14:17 |
| Ashley` | MicroB doesn't give a fsck about RMB event | 14:18 |
| Ashley` | Xchat does... | 14:19 |
| Ashley` | It's probably because it's port of desktop aplication :P | 14:20 |
| trx | what do you mean? | 14:20 |
| trx | microB responds to right click | 14:21 |
| Ashley` | not for me | 14:21 |
| Ashley` | oh | 14:21 |
| Ashley` | it does now | 14:21 |
| trx | ;) | 14:21 |
| Ashley` | it was probably to busy | 14:21 |
| Ashley` | to respond at first try | 14:21 |
| Ashley` | xD | 14:21 |
| Ashley` | (pacman and LXDE and microb were running simul.. sim... let me google that word... simultaneously! yeah, they were runing simultaneously) | 14:23 |
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| Ashley` | Is there something like BlueMaemo, but using LAN or USB instead of Bluetooth? | 14:46 |
| Ashley` | I don't have bluetooth in any of my computers :f | 14:46 |
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| hxka | Ashley`: For USB I only found this topic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62071 | 15:16 |
| hxka | For network, well, you can use vnc | 15:17 |
| hxka | http://wiki.maemo.org/Remote_desktop | 15:17 |
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| hanning | hey | 17:26 |
| hanning | does anyone know what happened to the icecast2 package for maemo? | 17:26 |
| hanning | looks like it once was available in extras-testing | 17:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 17:29 |
| infobot | [pkg] http://maemo.org/packages/ | 17:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/view/icecast2/ I suspect it's unavailable via HAM due to incorrect section in control file | 17:30 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | but nothing has "happened" to that pkg since 2010 | 17:31 |
| hanning | hm | 17:32 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; busybox nice seems a bit broken anyway | 21:02 |
| ShadowJK | The intention was to run at idle prio | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: hmm, I am almost sure renice works | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | "nice" not "renice" | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | but don;t they do similar things? | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | I know nice is not renoce :) | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | *renice | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | "nice top" should run top at niceness 10, iirc | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | seems to end up as 0 anyway :) | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | busybox or ohmd, I guess? | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; swapoff uses horribly inefficient algorithm and is kinda CPU-bound, so if it ran at -20 it would be bad. Idle prio desireable :) | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | most probably bb, iirc ohmd/cgroups does not do any special handling besides the stuff in /syspart | 21:07 |
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| ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: also, no background process present | 21:12 |
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| ShadowJK | Last two lines: turn off emmc swap, but turn it on again (defaults to lower priority than uSD), just in case I for some reason manually disable uSD swap in case I want to remove the back cover or something, and forget to enable emmc swap first... | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | busybox nice is fubar | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/nice// | 21:19 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: busybox is fubar | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# which nice | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/gnu/nice | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | drove me crazy while testing childspin | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when users say the *want* busybox, i honestly question their sanity | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they* | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | messybox is a POS | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, busybox is excellent, for the stuff it's ment for | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 21:23 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, messybox is messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 21:24 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: I think you lost me on that one | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 21:25 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 21:25 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 21:26 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 21:26 |
| infobot | from memory, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: busybox nice needs to get done via renice, *after* starting the process you want to assign a niceness to, obviously | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | My current version contains killall -STOP browserd at the start, and -CONT at the end :-) | 21:28 |
| Ashley` | test | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fail | 21:28 |
| Ashley` | s/e/oa/g | 21:28 |
| infobot | Ashley` meant: toast | 21:28 |
| Ashley` | oh | 21:28 |
| Ashley` | cool | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why /g ? | 21:29 |
| Ashley` | i dont know... :| | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you dont need /g unless you want all occurrences | 21:29 |
| Ashley` | I know :v | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/o/X/ | 21:29 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: yXu dont need /g unless you want all occurrences | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/o/X/g | 21:29 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: yXu dXnt need /g unless yXu want all Xccurrences | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however infobot does no proper perl regex, rather a silly findstr and replace | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no wildccards, no delimiters other than /, no special cjars in string | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s./."/". | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fails for 7 out of 8 chars | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;) | 21:32 |
| Ashley` | ~Ashley` | 21:32 |
| infobot | methinks ashley` is a cat | 21:32 |
| Ashley` | yay | 21:32 |
| Ashley` | xD | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo Ashley` | 21:32 |
| infobot | ashley` -- created by Ashley` <me@unaffiliated/ashley/x-5226587> 47s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by Ashley`, 17s ago. | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can even lock your "own" factoid | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like ~lock Ashley` | 21:33 |
| Ashley` | ~infobot | 21:33 |
| infobot | rumour has it, infobot is an IRC bot written in perl. Sources available on http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ | 21:33 |
| Ashley` | ~lock Ashley` | 21:33 |
| infobot | locking factoid ashley`, Ashley` | 21:33 |
| Ashley` | huh | 21:33 |
| Ashley` | i dont like perl :P | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now no trolls can mess with your nick factoid | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wo does? | 21:34 |
| Ashley` | ~perl | 21:34 |
| infobot | perl is, like, at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | knitting stitch, eh? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rubbish lister sounds about correct | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, messybox is <reply>messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 21:40 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 21:40 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, ...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~busybox | 21:41 |
| infobot | [busybox] the swiss army knife of embedded linux. It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc. See http://www.busybox.net/. | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *burrrp* | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you know about swiss army knife? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody using it when they got decent tools as well. It's always the last choice before final failure | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even the manufacturers suggest it could replace even a real knife, not to talk about all the other 478 tools it has integrated | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.shop4wenger.co.uk/wenger_giant_swiss_army_knife_2.jpg | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks pretty much like messybox XP | 21:45 |
| jaska | heh | 21:47 |
| jaska | i suppose you can drop that on someone to kill | 21:47 |
| jaska | or leave it on floor in hopes of someone stepping on it in the dark | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ln -s /bin/busybox wenger-GIANT | 21:48 |
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| * ShadowJK currently commands a 6 metre long tool trolley at work | 21:49 | |
| ShadowJK | sometimes even a regular knife is more convenient than fetching the entire arsenal :) | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.amazon.com/Wenger-16999-Swiss-Knife-Giant/product-reviews/B001DZTJRQ | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL!! >>Cons - No lanyard hole, and the included awl won't reach around to make one.<< | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | brilliant | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>the Internet in solid form<< | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>I had it in my hip pocket, then I fell down. When I got up, I was dead. Other than that, it's ok<< | 21:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "jack of all trades, master of none", springs to mind. | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: >>I was unaware of how useful this would become. I received this as a graduation present two weeks ago, and three days ago I was carrying it around downtown, trying to figure out what to do with it, when I was pulled into a dark ally and had a gun pointed at my head. Reacting on instinct, I swung whatever was in my hand at the attacker....<< | 22:00 |
| jaska | it lacks a lament configuration | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>...The state coroner's report on my mugger is nearly eighteen pages long...<<< | 22:01 |
| jaska | :D | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, you know I got hurt by busybox badly | 22:02 |
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