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b1101well, I'm making offers for an n900 on ebay.07:18
b1101I want my baby back07:18
Luke-JrMozilla still has a ton <.<07:19
b1101are they selling them somewhere ?07:20
povbotBug 701784: was not found.07:20
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_ade_sixwheeledbeast: ping17:13
sixwheeledbeast_ade_: ping17:13
sixwheeledbeastpong even17:13
_ade_could you download/install easylist once more using the dropbox link?17:14
_ade_and then: mv /home/user/.config/EasyList/listItems.conf /home/user/.config/EasyList/listItems.conf.old17:18
_ade_to start with a fresh item list17:18
sixwheeledbeastdone, still the same with the strike-through17:22
_ade_if you start it using /opt/easylist/bin/easylist, does it throw any specific errors?17:24
_ade_once you do a clean command17:25
_ade_btw: you are using the thumb version?17:25
sixwheeledbeastno not thumb on this device, BTW17:27
_ade_when I should test the non-thumb again. I assumed thumb use.17:28
sixwheeledbeastI have a few devices with different setups. I can try the thumb one if that would help?17:30
_ade_lemme test non-thumb first17:30
_ade_works fine here...17:32
_ade_but you could try the latest thumb one on a different device if you want17:33
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sixwheeledbeastmmm... I will. I just don't understand how only I have the issue17:34
_ade_yeah, and you experience it not just with the ubuntu font.17:35
_ade_you have seen no error messages, right?17:36
sixwheeledbeastnot tested for error messages yet. installing thumb one on thumb device now. I have tested on device with standard fonts and it's the same yes.17:37
_ade_really curious how that works out17:38
sixwheeledbeastthumb is the same with the strike-through17:39
sixwheeledbeastso this is reproduced on three different devices now17:39
sixwheeledbeastmmm, indeed17:40
_ade_okay, I will like at the code and see if I can find something strange17:41
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sixwheeledbeastFWIW the ghost strike-through disappears if you edit the list again.17:44
sixwheeledbeastno obvious errors in terminal either17:44
_ade_you could try and see what the extras-devel version does17:45
_ade_wait a minute, I can reproduce it! Looks like it is related to some config settings17:49
_ade_Can you activate sort A-Z?17:50
_ade_Then it should not happen17:51
_ade_sixwheeledbeast: I updated the TMO post and will try to fix it. Thanks for testing ^^^18:05
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sixwheeledbeast_ade_: sorry I was busy, do you need me to test something?18:06
_ade_activate sort A-Z in the latest version and see if it helps18:08
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sixwheeledbeastyes, that's it :)18:12
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sixwheeledbeast_ade_: np, anytime18:12
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sixwheeledbeastFWIW it's not reproducible in 0.3.31 with A-Z on or off18:17
_ade_sixwheeledbeast: okay, then I must have introduced it. I always work with sort A-Z and checked to bottom, so I can always miss such things.18:21
sixwheeledbeastyes, well that's what testing is for, everyone likes things set differently18:22
sixwheeledbeastBTW I never used willem's version, I think you have made everything a lot tidier. The checkboxes don't look great.18:24
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sixwheeledbeastI guess the idea behind the icons is to avoid the need for translations18:24
_ade_The checkboxes eat a bit to much space. Once the line is too long, the list starts "floating" horizontally.18:28
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_ade_And I liked the icons. They use a bit less space than the text (I added the pick list as extra) and saves possible translation indeed.18:29
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_ade_sixwheeledbeast: going to fire up cooktimer to prepare some food :-), bye18:35
sixwheeledbeast_ade_: bye, enjoy :)18:36
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DocScrutinizer05what we learned (today??): testing an app doesn't mean "make sure it works for me with my particular set of options/parameters", a developer shall test *all* options and parameters before shipping their product19:35
DocScrutinizer05of course including all error handling19:36
DocScrutinizer05there's a reason for the widely accepted calculation that assigns >50% of the development effort to testing19:37
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DocScrutinizer05maemo QA in extras-testing is NOT about those tests, it just is supposed to check that this testing actually been done19:39
DocScrutinizer05done by developer19:39
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sixwheeledbeastI think that's a bit unfair. Things can get over looked accidentally, the issue was relative minor and unnoticed by everyone but myself. The package was inherited, plus it's not even in -devel yet, it's still a .deb beta in a post. We are not talking about a development team here, just one person wishing to contribute something useful.20:48
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: it wasn't meant as bashing, just a general remark that felt loosely related. I've seen this negligence in testing in ~90% of all packages getting published, not only in maemo even.20:52
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DocScrutinizer05it's rather a pretty commonly found difference between commercial products and FOSS, with the latter generally performing pretty poor on the much-hated testing duties20:54
sixwheeledbeastit seems with a lot of things there are so many options, the world is a beta tester.20:55
DocScrutinizer05doesn't work20:55
DocScrutinizer05this is not about beta-testing20:55
DocScrutinizer05this is about testframes20:56
HumpelstilzchenFunny, there is enough commercial Software out there which looks pretty untested for me20:56
DocScrutinizer05about systematically checking each segment of your code20:56
sixwheeledbeastCommerical products should have more funds to sink into testing20:56
Humpelstilzchennot really20:57
Humpelstilzchentime to market etc20:57
DocScrutinizer05Humpelstilzchen: yes, a lot of commercial software falls short on testing as well, but only if the company is pretty clueless about QA and doesn't care about own reputation20:57
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DocScrutinizer05in *professional* sw-development there are standard procedures like code-coverage-check etc20:58
DocScrutinizer05module tests20:59
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DocScrutinizer05defining test scenario and the needed tools are part of the architectural design of each piece of software21:00
DocScrutinizer05often the testframe is larger than the "payload" code you develop21:01
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DocScrutinizer05IOW the developer not only writes a lib or function, but also a comprehensive set of testing framework that checks/tests the correct behavior of that lib/function particularly (but not only) in extreme sitautions like paramaters out of bound, low memory etc pp21:05
DocScrutinizer05then using this testframe you run tests against your lib/function while you check it for memleaks, for code-coverage (make sure each single line of code got "covered" i.e. executed and thus tested for correct operation), and whatnot else21:08
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DocScrutinizer05thus in the end often development of the payload code (the lib/function itself) is only 25% of the work the developer has to do21:09
DocScrutinizer05ret is testing and *documentation*21:10
DocScrutinizer05peer review is another mandatory part of developing professional software21:11
DocScrutinizer05only *after* all that been accomplished, you start beta-testing21:11
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* DocScrutinizer05 waiting for the 100% warranted reply by random FOSS hacker: "but then we wouldn't publish *any* software ever! we can't do that, too much work"21:13
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DocScrutinizer05(ambiguity of "warranted" on purpose)21:14
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sixwheeledbeastThat was the point I was making before, I agree with the above.21:21
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Ashley`Is somewhere VirtualBox image with Debian or Ubuntu and Maemo SDK installed available for download?22:32
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sixwheeledbeastAshley`: I installed them separately. I used Debian Squeeze22:43
sixwheeledbeastFIQ: seems there are more reports of odd battery applet behaviour. I still think it's a placebo and it's the usual BME throwing a fit.22:48
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SatorinMy battery never charges over 90%, and sometimes the percentage randomly increases during use...23:09
SatorinWhat a mysterious thing it is.23:09
ShadowJKThe default battery meter is confused23:10
ShadowJKand it gets worse with older batteries23:11
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DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: there's a VM available23:24
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infobothmm... skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:, or see: ~tabletsdev23:26
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DocScrutinizer05  replacing nokia by skeiron23:32
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DocScrutinizer05pretty hard to find23:35
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Ashley`thanks C:23:43
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DocScrutinizer05LOL @ in "SDK installer ()"23:51
DocScrutinizer05  seems thoroughly outdated / obsolete too23:53
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DocScrutinizer05I admit it feels lile maemo/nokia does all to alien newcomers23:55
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