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| b1101 | well, I'm making offers for an n900 on ebay. | 07:18 |
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| b1101 | I want my baby back | 07:18 |
| Luke-Jr | Mozilla still has a ton <.< | 07:19 |
| b1101 | huh | 07:19 |
| b1101 | are they selling them somewhere ? | 07:20 |
| Luke-Jr | no, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701784 | 07:20 |
| povbot | Bug 701784: was not found. | 07:20 |
| b1101 | ah | 07:22 |
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| _ade_ | sixwheeledbeast: ping | 17:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | _ade_: ping | 17:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | pong even | 17:13 |
| _ade_ | could you download/install easylist once more using the dropbox link? | 17:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok | 17:15 |
| _ade_ | and then: mv /home/user/.config/EasyList/listItems.conf /home/user/.config/EasyList/listItems.conf.old | 17:18 |
| _ade_ | to start with a fresh item list | 17:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | done, still the same with the strike-through | 17:22 |
| _ade_ | if you start it using /opt/easylist/bin/easylist, does it throw any specific errors? | 17:24 |
| _ade_ | once you do a clean command | 17:25 |
| _ade_ | btw: you are using the thumb version? | 17:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no not thumb on this device, BTW | 17:27 |
| _ade_ | when I should test the non-thumb again. I assumed thumb use. | 17:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have a few devices with different setups. I can try the thumb one if that would help? | 17:30 |
| _ade_ | lemme test non-thumb first | 17:30 |
| _ade_ | works fine here... | 17:32 |
| _ade_ | but you could try the latest thumb one on a different device if you want | 17:33 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | mmm... I will. I just don't understand how only I have the issue | 17:34 |
| _ade_ | yeah, and you experience it not just with the ubuntu font. | 17:35 |
| _ade_ | you have seen no error messages, right? | 17:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | not tested for error messages yet. installing thumb one on thumb device now. I have tested on device with standard fonts and it's the same yes. | 17:37 |
| _ade_ | really curious how that works out | 17:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | thumb is the same with the strike-through | 17:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so this is reproduced on three different devices now | 17:39 |
| _ade_ | O~o | 17:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, indeed | 17:40 |
| _ade_ | okay, I will like at the code and see if I can find something strange | 17:41 |
| _ade_ | s/like/look | 17:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | FWIW the ghost strike-through disappears if you edit the list again. | 17:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no obvious errors in terminal either | 17:44 |
| _ade_ | you could try and see what the extras-devel version does | 17:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | k | 17:46 |
| _ade_ | wait a minute, I can reproduce it! Looks like it is related to some config settings | 17:49 |
| _ade_ | Can you activate sort A-Z? | 17:50 |
| _ade_ | Then it should not happen | 17:51 |
| _ade_ | sixwheeledbeast: I updated the TMO post and will try to fix it. Thanks for testing ^^^ | 18:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | _ade_: sorry I was busy, do you need me to test something? | 18:06 |
| _ade_ | activate sort A-Z in the latest version and see if it helps | 18:08 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | yes, that's it :) | 18:12 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | _ade_: np, anytime | 18:12 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | FWIW it's not reproducible in 0.3.31 with A-Z on or off | 18:17 |
| _ade_ | sixwheeledbeast: okay, then I must have introduced it. I always work with sort A-Z and checked to bottom, so I can always miss such things. | 18:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yes, well that's what testing is for, everyone likes things set differently | 18:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | BTW I never used willem's version, I think you have made everything a lot tidier. The checkboxes don't look great. | 18:24 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I guess the idea behind the icons is to avoid the need for translations | 18:24 |
| _ade_ | The checkboxes eat a bit to much space. Once the line is too long, the list starts "floating" horizontally. | 18:28 |
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| _ade_ | And I liked the icons. They use a bit less space than the text (I added the pick list as extra) and saves possible translation indeed. | 18:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 18:31 |
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| _ade_ | sixwheeledbeast: going to fire up cooktimer to prepare some food :-), bye | 18:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | _ade_: bye, enjoy :) | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what we learned (today??): testing an app doesn't mean "make sure it works for me with my particular set of options/parameters", a developer shall test *all* options and parameters before shipping their product | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course including all error handling | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a reason for the widely accepted calculation that assigns >50% of the development effort to testing | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo QA in extras-testing is NOT about those tests, it just is supposed to check that this testing actually been done | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | done by developer | 19:39 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I think that's a bit unfair. Things can get over looked accidentally, the issue was relative minor and unnoticed by everyone but myself. The package was inherited, plus it's not even in -devel yet, it's still a .deb beta in a post. We are not talking about a development team here, just one person wishing to contribute something useful. | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: it wasn't meant as bashing, just a general remark that felt loosely related. I've seen this negligence in testing in ~90% of all packages getting published, not only in maemo even. | 20:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's rather a pretty commonly found difference between commercial products and FOSS, with the latter generally performing pretty poor on the much-hated testing duties | 20:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it seems with a lot of things there are so many options, the world is a beta tester. | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't work | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is not about beta-testing | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is about testframes | 20:56 |
| Humpelstilzchen | Funny, there is enough commercial Software out there which looks pretty untested for me | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about systematically checking each segment of your code | 20:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Commerical products should have more funds to sink into testing | 20:56 |
| Humpelstilzchen | not really | 20:57 |
| Humpelstilzchen | time to market etc | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Humpelstilzchen: yes, a lot of commercial software falls short on testing as well, but only if the company is pretty clueless about QA and doesn't care about own reputation | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in *professional* sw-development there are standard procedures like code-coverage-check etc | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | module tests | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | defining test scenario and the needed tools are part of the architectural design of each piece of software | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | often the testframe is larger than the "payload" code you develop | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW the developer not only writes a lib or function, but also a comprehensive set of testing framework that checks/tests the correct behavior of that lib/function particularly (but not only) in extreme sitautions like paramaters out of bound, low memory etc pp | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then using this testframe you run tests against your lib/function while you check it for memleaks, for code-coverage (make sure each single line of code got "covered" i.e. executed and thus tested for correct operation), and whatnot else | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thus in the end often development of the payload code (the lib/function itself) is only 25% of the work the developer has to do | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ret is testing and *documentation* | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rest* | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | peer review is another mandatory part of developing professional software | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only *after* all that been accomplished, you start beta-testing | 21:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 waiting for the 100% warranted reply by random FOSS hacker: "but then we wouldn't publish *any* software ever! we can't do that, too much work" | 21:13 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (ambiguity of "warranted" on purpose) | 21:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | That was the point I was making before, I agree with the above. | 21:21 |
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| Ashley` | Is somewhere VirtualBox image with Debian or Ubuntu and Maemo SDK installed available for download? | 22:32 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Ashley`: I installed them separately. I used Debian Squeeze | 22:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | FIQ: seems there are more reports of odd battery applet behaviour. I still think it's a placebo and it's the usual BME throwing a fit. | 22:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525&page=41 | 22:49 |
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| Satorin | My battery never charges over 90%, and sometimes the percentage randomly increases during use... | 23:09 |
| Satorin | What a mysterious thing it is. | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | The default battery meter is confused | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | and it gets worse with older batteries | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: there's a VM available | 23:24 |
| Ashley` | where? | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 23:26 |
| infobot | hmm... skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143, or see: ~tabletsdev | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_non-Linux_operating_systems | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php replacing nokia by skeiron | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty hard to find | 23:35 |
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| Ashley` | thanks C: | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL @ http://privatepaste.com/2c71f04d93 in http://developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html "SDK installer ()" | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ seems thoroughly outdated / obsolete too | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit it feels lile maemo/nokia does all to alien newcomers | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like | 23:55 |
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