IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2014-01-11

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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: I must thank you for your wisdom :)01:16
DocScrutinizer05hmm?01:17
DocScrutinizer05do I sense sarcasm?01:18
sixwheeledbeastI have added initial first startup information to FlopSwap01:18
DocScrutinizer05ooh01:18
sixwheeledbeastand in the process found a bug and fixed that too ;)01:19
DocScrutinizer05hah!01:19
DocScrutinizer05:-)01:19
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ChiaSmurfdid microsoft buy that too?02:20
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DocScrutinizer05ChiaSmurf: eh?02:26
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ChiaSmurfthe town02:27
DocScrutinizer05ooh, Nokia city?02:27
DocScrutinizer05possibly ;-P02:27
ChiaSmurfrename it billburg02:27
DocScrutinizer05rotfl02:27
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DocScrutinizer05copying a private query since it should belong to #maemo to start with. sorry for the flooding02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:13:54] <vakkov_> Hi! Do you know any way to see the dmesg of n900 other than serial console? I am debugging a kernel here but the panic about missing symbols disappears too fast02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:14:27] <DocScrutinizer05> lemme think a while02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:14:56] <DocScrutinizer05> I gather you're not interested in dmesg but in early boot console output02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:16:03] <DocScrutinizer05> basically kernel should dump any oops and panic to log partition in NAND02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:16:09] <DocScrutinizer05> cat /proc/mtd02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:17:06] <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# sp-oops-extract --help02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:17:06] <DocScrutinizer05> Oops Log extractor (build Feb  4 2009 16:33:27).02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:17:06] <DocScrutinizer05> sp-oops-extract: Unable to stat file '--help': No such file or directory02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:17:36] <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# cat /proc/mtd02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:17:36] <DocScrutinizer05> dev:    size   erasesize  name02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:17:36] <DocScrutinizer05> mtd0: 00020000 00020000 "bootloader"02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:17:36] <DocScrutinizer05> mtd1: 00060000 00020000 "config"02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:17:36] <DocScrutinizer05> mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "log"02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:18:13] <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# cat /proc/cmdline02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:18:13] <DocScrutinizer05> init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=602:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:18:56] <DocScrutinizer05> >>>> console=ttyMTD,log02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:19:21] <DocScrutinizer05> dunno about your particular kernel02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:22:42] <DocScrutinizer05> you still listening?02:31
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-11 01:25:49] <DocScrutinizer05> :-S02:31
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SAiFhey DocScrutinizer05 . its not asking me to choose mass storage mode. what should I do?07:49
SAiFjust charging..07:49
SAiFand battery is already full.07:49
SAiFI need to copy some data quick..07:49
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SAiFreboot PC solved it :)07:54
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sixwheeledbeasthmm ... Just seen an advert for sky giving free wireless N booster with there broadband. Why a Wireless N router needs boosting on domestic broadband is beyond me. Unless you fancy sharing your connection with all your neighbours.11:18
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TheCakeIsAliveYou could collect all of their cookies. All of them.11:24
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sixwheeledbeastIt's just a big advertisement scam "We have the broadband router with the largest range and fastest speed" however they don't tell you your inet connection could be <1Mb down.11:37
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jonwilwhy would anyone want to sign up with Sky anyway?12:22
sixwheeledbeastbecause "We have the broadband router with the largest range and fastest speed" ;)12:23
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int_uaDoc, was the bug report about HD crashing on malformed transitions.ini created?14:07
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int_uaI'm going to. Not that it's such a big problem, but it would be better if it didn't crash14:08
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int_uaDocScrutinizer05, ^14:14
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int_uaalso, what about my request to maintain ssh-status?14:22
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int_uaCan someone at least reject it?14:23
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DocScrutinizer05int_ua: freemangordon noticed it and said he might have a look into it, dunno if it already dropped off the lower end of his priority list14:31
DocScrutinizer05I'll have a look at your request14:31
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DocScrutinizer05int_ua: ssh-status-applet?14:39
DocScrutinizer05(believe it or not, I can't find the page with pending maintainer requests)14:40
int_uajust "ssh-status"14:41
int_uaDoes it even exist?14:42
DocScrutinizer05damn, don't see that project14:42
int_uaMaybe all the requests were just sent on email somewhere?14:42
int_uahttp://maemo.org/packages/view/ssh-status/14:43
DocScrutinizer05I have no clue what request you were sending, and for what exactly14:43
DocScrutinizer05mhm14:43
freemangordonint_ua: is there a bug on BMO?14:43
DocScrutinizer05please request again14:43
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DocScrutinizer05btw I added you to ssh-status-applet ;-P14:44
int_uafreemangordon, about malformed transitions? I was just asking the same question: should I file it?14:44
freemangordonint_ua: yes14:44
freemangordonplease14:44
int_uaok14:44
int_uaDoc, I can't, the link is gone :)14:45
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: please request maintainership NOW14:45
int_uaoh14:45
int_uawait14:45
DocScrutinizer05then you're either not logged in or already maintainer14:45
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I don;t think one can request maintainership twice14:45
int_uaI'm not logged in :]14:45
freemangordon:)14:45
int_uaand freemangordon is right, still no link14:46
DocScrutinizer05aaah, so *I* found a link "process pending requests" ;-D14:47
DocScrutinizer05done14:47
int_ua^_^14:47
freemangordonint_ua: please, please, bring back that "shield" icon, ssh-status looks ugly otherwise :D14:48
int_uaBTW, ssh-status-applet doesn't exist, but it looks like a good idea for renaming14:48
* freemangordon has discovered that package few days ago14:48
DocScrutinizer05know what? I'm tired of handling those maintainer approvals for stuff that's most likely abandonware, like musorgski. I'll do a mass approval now, since it doesn't kick out original maintainers anyway14:49
int_uafreemangordon: *sadly* also removing it was against some UI guides, wasnt't it? But it's taking the precious space... But OK, I'll return it.14:50
freemangordonint_ua: you can use the icon as a button, ain't?14:50
freemangordonthat way you'll not lose precious space, while keeping it looking good14:51
int_uayeah, but with the image "SSHD OFF" text along with "killall sshd" barely making it to fit in, IIRC14:52
freemangordonor even better - you can make another icon, with a red stripe on diagonal, and use those 2 to reflect the status14:52
freemangordonyou don;t really need that text, see ^^^14:52
int_uaI've even created a sword for the second button...14:53
int_uahmmm14:53
freemangordonint_ua: ofc it is up to you, but that is not consistent IMO14:53
freemangordonI think it is better to have the icon that reflects the action that will be taken if pressed14:54
freemangordonshiled with a red stripe - disable sshd, shield only - enable ssnd14:54
freemangordonsshd even14:54
freemangordonit could be the opposite ofc - shield only - sshd is currently enable, shield with a red stripe - sshd is currently disabled14:55
freemangordonthough I think it is more consistent if you have the icon that will reflect the action that will be taken14:55
int_uabut shield itself isn't related to sshd for anyone, how would they know it's sshd control?14:56
int_uaso we at least need the "sshd" label14:56
freemangordonint_ua: oh, wait, you can have hildon-value-button14:56
int_ua!14:56
freemangordonwhich has text on 2 rows14:56
freemangordonsee fmtx status applet for example14:57
int_uamaybe switcher button?14:57
freemangordonot clock&alarms, etc14:57
freemangordonno14:57
int_uabut why?14:57
freemangordonso you can have the icon (inactive), text "SSH status" and "off" or "on" and a free space for another button14:58
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freemangordonbecaue it is ugly in the way it is now (in extras-devel that is)14:58
int_uaok14:58
DocScrutinizer05https://garage.maemo.org/projects/ssh-status/14:58
freemangordonint_ua: you know what hildon-value-button is, right?14:59
DocScrutinizer05please learn to know your project14:59
int_uafreemangordon: now I'm not sure, checking15:00
int_uaDoc, oh, I've almost forgot about the garage existance15:01
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DocScrutinizer05obviously "SSH status" ans "SSH status applet" is the same project15:01
freemangordonint_ua: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hildon/HildonButton.html15:01
freemangordonint_ua: you just need to set the "value" property with the current status (on or off)15:02
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int_uaoh15:04
int_uayeah, I've used the value on killall button to hack font size IIRC :]15:05
int_ualooks like screenshot was lost after moving servers here: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6729&group_id=1460&atid=530715:08
int_uafreemangordon: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1272215:16
povbotBug 12722: hildon-desktop crashes on malformed transitions.ini15:16
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int_uafreemangordon: what do you think of dimming instead of crossing out the shield?15:21
freemangordonint_ua: thanks for the bug report15:22
freemangordonint_ua: up to you, it even could be only one icon, as long as there is on/off status reported15:23
freemangordonint_ua: keep in mind the dimming depends on the current brightness setting as well as on ambient light :)15:23
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: you left me to sort though the maintainer requests and only approve trust worthy ones, a while ago when merlin was missing. I emailed most of the maintainers requesting and was waiting a reply. Most should have been rejected IIRC15:26
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sixwheeledbeastWell the older ones anyway. I had not checked in short while as I can never find the damn page. I have to find a package with a request to locate the link.15:32
sixwheeledbeastoh while I remember freemangordon can you remember why extkbd 1.0.3 never reached testing? http://maemo.org/packages/view/extkbd/15:34
freemangordonI never pushed it iirc :)15:34
sixwheeledbeastIIRC you said there was some reason but you'd have to check, then probably got busy doing more important greatest somewhere else ;)15:36
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sixwheeledbeasts/greatest/greatness15:36
freemangordoncould be15:36
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: what had to be changed in mce to fix that als bug?16:03
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DocScrutinizer05err, didn't I post the "diff2 on tmo?16:08
DocScrutinizer05"diff"16:08
freemangordonhmm, didn't you paste binary diff?16:08
DocScrutinizer05change one byte from 00 to err 05 or sth16:08
DocScrutinizer05no16:08
freemangordonok, will try to find it16:08
DocScrutinizer05I also pasted a source snippet iirc16:08
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freemangordonok16:08
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: why >>Most should have been rejected IIRC<<?16:10
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/16:12
DocScrutinizer05I bookmarked it now16:12
sixwheeledbeastIIRC most where from a while ago and the maintainers that requested to be maintainers are AWOL, I tried to contact them. I will too thanks. I don't suppose it matters too much16:13
vakkovis the 3.10-n900 kernel branch booting maemo?16:14
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: when original maintainers are not available, what's the problem with adding a new maintainer to a project?16:15
sixwheeledbeastthe persons that requested are no longer active, so I see no reason to add them.16:16
Ashley`hm...16:17
Ashley`is there some app/way to emulate right click?16:17
DocScrutinizer05well, ok, then it won't do any harm either16:17
Ashley`for example, in desktop apps from arch linux chroot16:17
sixwheeledbeastI suppose not as long as no one complains.16:18
sixwheeledbeastvakkov: IIRC yes but some bits don't work.16:19
sixwheeledbeastAshley`: not AFAIK unless it's been provided in the application16:20
Ashley`sad :f16:20
Ashley`is there any way to bind it to long press (touch)?16:21
Ashley`or something like Fn+click?16:21
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: I looked at your list and they are all new requests that I had never seen before, so I recalled incorrectly. I must have sorted the others. Your list contains active trusted members indeed16:42
DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: ideally this had to get included into touchscreen kernel driver16:49
Ashley`and apps like microb would have to be patched to use it instead of doing own magic for it16:50
Ashley`and many other aps that have long-press binded to something16:50
Ashley`*apps16:51
sixwheeledbeastlong press can be used in Qt apps as a right click effort16:52
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DocScrutinizer05well, those apps that do long-press magic internally will have to ignore true RMB event from TS input device16:52
DocScrutinizer05which is a bit cumbersome since probably X11 doesn't distinguish between TS and a real external mouse16:53
Ashley`or use that event :P16:53
DocScrutinizer05use that event means the app breaks for all users not using the patch16:53
Ashley`hm... yeah16:53
Ashley`brb16:53
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FIQI saw no reason for apps doing this behaviour in first place and found it silly...16:55
DocScrutinizer05though, I dunno how apps act when two RMB-down events happen16:55
* FIQ would always have preferred longpress to be rightclick natively16:55
DocScrutinizer05yep16:55
DocScrutinizer05RMB-down to be more specific16:56
FIQyeah16:56
sixwheeledbeastwhat does "extmou" do for RMB-down?16:56
DocScrutinizer05nfc16:56
sixwheeledbeastme either16:57
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Ashley`i'll do some research when I get microusb <-> normal usb cable :P16:58
Ashley`that cable is called "usb otg", am i right?17:01
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Ashley`Also, why google is linking to TMO by ip instead of domain?17:05
FIQgoogle doesn't do that for me, but it *did* kill links earlier somehow17:06
FIQby *url escaping* ?p=whatever17:06
FIQs/escaping/encoding/17:07
infobotFIQ meant: by *url encoding* ?p=whatever17:07
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Ashley`hmmm17:08
Ashley`it doesn't always link to IP, but sometimes it does (for me)17:08
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Ashley`http://ashley.re/ss/2014-01-11-160927_1280x1024_scrot.png17:10
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sixwheeledbeastCBA with google. DDG FTW :)17:14
Ashley`what means "CBA"? :f17:14
sixwheeledbeastcan't be arsed17:15
Ashley`oh17:15
Ashley`brb17:15
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Ashley`I don't really care about all that NSA sh*t…17:16
Ashley`I care about people standing behind me and looking at my screen :v17:16
Ashley`they're more dangerous :v17:16
sixwheeledbeastthis is what I get https://duckduckgo.com/?q=maemo+cssu+testing+thread17:17
Ashley`heh17:18
DocScrutinizer05(google) caused by temporary availability of new tmo 8during move to community infra) only via IP17:18
Ashley`oh17:19
DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: I tend to be dangerous for people standing behind me17:19
Ashley`DocScrutinizer05, :D17:19
DocScrutinizer05particularly when looking at my screen17:19
Ashley`It's not that I'm hiding something... I just... I just can't do anything when someone is looking at my screen :f17:20
DocScrutinizer05you can rise your head to God, all of a sudden ;-D17:21
DocScrutinizer05caused an occasional broken nose17:21
DocScrutinizer05not my nose though17:21
DocScrutinizer05;-P17:21
DocScrutinizer05also bending right knee has usually a good effect17:22
DocScrutinizer05or you stick a laser to your device, pointing roughly into the direction of your right shoulder17:23
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SAiFlolol17:25
Ashley`DocScrutinizer05, I usually just send message in active chat window "Oh, an idiot is looking at my screen, can't talk now" or something like that17:32
DocScrutinizer05start camera app on front cam!17:33
DocScrutinizer05;-) a few nice snapshots, and then ask "do you want me to send those pictures to your device?"17:34
DocScrutinizer05"nevermind, I already did. And i attached a nice virus for you to evaluate"17:35
DocScrutinizer05"really, highly intriguing stuff, that virus! have a look at it!"17:35
DocScrutinizer05"DO NOT START IT! I bet you knew that already"17:36
Ashley`xD17:36
DocScrutinizer05"oh, it sometimes is a tad hidden so you need to dig in your filesystem for it. You know, it's a virus, it's designed to not show up usually. OOOPS it might have made invisible the pictures I sent, too"17:38
DocScrutinizer05"hand me your device, I fix that for you"17:39
Ashley`:D17:39
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DocScrutinizer05btw i tend to BT-name my devices "virus-1" etc17:54
DocScrutinizer05a friend of mine calls his BT device "System Update"17:55
DocScrutinizer05;-P17:55
SAiF:)17:56
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DocScrutinizer05"do you want to allow System Update to connect?"17:58
Ashley`DocScrutinizer05, mine device's still called "Nokia N900" xD17:58
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Ashley`DocScrutinizer05, My old N95 was "Mobile Network Operator" (in polish, 'coz im in poland :P)18:00
DocScrutinizer05hehe18:00
int_uahttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12706 this one can be closed18:02
povbotBug 12706: m18:02
DocScrutinizer05I think "do you want to allow 'free internet access? Press OK' to connect" is a tad too long18:02
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DocScrutinizer05"m" ???18:03
int_uayeah, exactly18:03
DocScrutinizer05wtf?18:03
int_uajust noticed it18:04
sixwheeledbeastReported:          2013-08-31 02:39 UTC by mostashar18:04
DocScrutinizer05where the heck is "INVALID"18:04
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DocScrutinizer05found it18:09
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FIQDocScrutinizer05: haha @ system update18:23
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sixwheeledbeast~seen int_ua20:52
infobotint_ua <~int_ua@ip-602f.proline.net.ua> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 48m 34s ago, saying: 'just noticed it'.20:52
sixwheeledbeastI am guessing he's the maintainer of ssh-status?20:54
DocScrutinizer05err, since 6 hours?21:01
DocScrutinizer053?21:01
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Ashley`~seen infobot21:07
infobotinfobot is currently on #utos (2d 6h 23m 5s) #n950club (2d 6h 23m 5s) #asterisk-doc (2d 6h 23m 5s) #botpark (2d 6h 23m 5s) #gsoc (2d 6h 23m 5s) #neo900 (2d 6h 23m 5s) ##t42 (2d 6h 23m 5s) #maemo (2d 6h 23m 5s) #fredlug (2d 6h 23m 5s) ##ols (2d 6h 23m 5s) #asterisk-scf-dev (2d 6h 23m 5s) #flyspray (2d 6h 23m 5s) #asterisk-dev (2d 6h 23m 5s) #bzflag ...21:07
Ashley`~seen Ashley`21:07
infobotashley` is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 50 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen Ashley` '.21:07
Ashley`heh21:07
sixwheeledbeastseems the package is missing sources, depends on "sudo" WTFand the changelog must have something wrong with it as that's missing too.21:10
sixwheeledbeast~botsnack21:10
infobotsixwheeledbeast: thanks21:10
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: oh, another messed up package that depends on rootsh?21:18
sixwheeledbeastno it depends on "sudo not "rootsh"21:18
DocScrutinizer05or did you actually mean "depends on sudo"?21:18
DocScrutinizer05well, that seems inevitable21:19
* Ashley` is now repartitioning her N900's eMMC21:19
Ashley`I'll fsck everything up, I guess ;_;21:19
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools21:19
infobotjrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools21:19
DocScrutinizer05or do you just repartition swap into two halves?21:20
Ashley`I'm shrinking MyDocs to 16GB, and growing /home to 13GB21:21
DocScrutinizer05,h,21:21
DocScrutinizer05mhm even21:21
DocScrutinizer05so you might prefer to have a look at ~jrtools21:21
DocScrutinizer05BM, backup /home, flash eMMC-13GB, restore /home21:23
DocScrutinizer05make sure BM is on rootfs, not on /opt21:23
DocScrutinizer05I guess it must be21:24
vakkovdoes sb know if Pali is on IRC21:24
Ashley`gparted is already running xD21:24
DocScrutinizer05pali is MIA21:24
DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: ok21:24
DocScrutinizer05good luck21:25
Ashley`thanks C:21:25
Ashley`it's now resizing home's filesystem21:26
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Ashley`okay21:27
Ashley`done21:27
Ashley`reboot.21:27
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DocScrutinizer05yay, suspense21:31
Ashley`yay, my phone still works21:32
DocScrutinizer05increeeeeedible :-)21:32
DocScrutinizer05completely with stuff from /opt?21:33
Ashley`/opt is mounted correctly21:33
Ashley`so everything should work, yes?21:34
Ashley`looks like it works.21:34
DocScrutinizer05wen it's not empty, then yes21:34
DocScrutinizer05;-)21:35
DocScrutinizer05however check camera storing photos to MyDocs21:35
DocScrutinizer05and maps tilecache21:35
DocScrutinizer05aka offline map data21:36
Ashley`i've never used maps app yet21:37
Ashley`camera works21:38
vakkovkernel 3.10 stuck at mmu_isp version 1.1... after that it dies21:39
DocScrutinizer05FFS!21:39
Ashley`hmmm http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ which one will work in chroot on my n900?21:39
DocScrutinizer05t900:/# df -h /21:39
DocScrutinizer05Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on21:39
DocScrutinizer05df: /: can't find mount point21:39
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r--    1 root     root     31582430 Oct  7 21:42 syslog   o.O21:41
Ashley`oops :D21:41
DocScrutinizer05t900:/# tail /var/log/syslog21:42
DocScrutinizer05Sep  1 19:00:33 t900 telepathy-sofiasip[18782]: outbound(0x5ad50): FAILED with 200 OK21:42
DocScrutinizer05Sep  1 19:02:49 t900 telepathy-sofiasip[18782]: nta_agent: received garbage from udp/217.10.79.9:54014/sip21:42
DocScrutinizer05Sep  1 19:03:03 t900 telepathy-sofiasip[18782]: nta_agent: received garbage from udp/217.10.79.9:54014/sip21:42
DocScrutinizer05:-S21:44
DocScrutinizer05t900:/# uptime21:44
DocScrutinizer05 20:49:24 up 96 days, 7 min, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.0021:44
DocScrutinizer05reboot is cute21:44
DocScrutinizer05:-S21:44
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