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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-03 01:05:21] <dos1> we've just got slashdoted | 02:22 |
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| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: well, again :) | 02:28 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: Neo900 was already on Slashdot once some time during the initial crowdfunding | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 02:29 |
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| WebTester | it works. | 05:08 |
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| solo50 | i installed cssu on my n900then when i try installing my yappari it says conflick application package i need ur help | 05:30 |
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| freemangordon | how cute: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1392023&postcount=68 | 09:52 |
| freemangordon | honestly, why "we" still try to reach jolla is beyond me | 09:53 |
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| freemangordon | this is a corporation. period. | 09:53 |
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| thedead1440_ | I don't see how doc's post was an affront when it was simply stating past experiences. | 10:04 |
| FIQ | so apparently HAM thinks it's a Good Idea(TM) to reload all repositories after each package upgrade at the update dialog | 10:06 |
| * FIQ begs to differ | 10:06 | |
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| ruskie | http://www.gizmag.com/if-convertible-ultrabook-tablet-smartphone/29997/ | 10:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: I think it's the building of the dependencies-datastructure that takes forever | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it makes some sense to rebuild that data after a package got installed | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe | 11:11 |
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| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: it does? even taking the fact into account that it did *just that* right before you actually performed the update | 12:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | by installing or deinstalling some package you change the dependencies on your machine | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course apt could just update the existing dependency-tree and then tell HAM which packages to add or to remove from the list of available/installable/deinstallable packages, but I guess that's not how the API between apt-worker and HAM is designed | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB I never really looked into all this - so I might be wrong | 12:28 |
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| vi__ | You do not realise how incredible the accounts integration is on fremantle till you have used android. | 15:37 |
| vi__ | Get this... | 15:37 |
| vi__ | To use skype or some such shit you actually have to open their crumby client and use an alternative dialler. | 15:38 |
| jaska | heh | 15:39 |
| vi__ | There is zero integration. | 15:39 |
| vi__ | And spam coming at you from every angle. | 15:39 |
| vi__ | To top it off you have no idea what is running, how or indeed what resources it is using. | 15:40 |
| vi__ | I digress. | 15:41 |
| vi__ | Fremantle on better hardware. | 15:41 |
| vi__ | :'( | 15:41 |
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| grr | moin ;) | 16:09 |
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| FIQ | skype is basically as well integrated into the OS as just plain calling | 16:19 |
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| vi__ | on maemo it is. | 16:29 |
| vi__ | on android, not so much. | 16:29 |
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| qwerty123 | Hi. How to increase /tmp in easy debian? Its 6 mb. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: I don't give a flying F* about any blue/orange theming in default skin of tmo (I'm using "-- Classic Light --" anyway ;-D), but please tell my I got that wrong that you seem to suggest to change URL of tmo and honestly think this could pan out if only somebody edits wiki with a sed command | 18:50 |
| chem|st | hehe nope | 18:51 |
| chem|st | I was just about telling concerns and that we need someone to clean | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 18:52 |
| FIQ | change URL of tmo | 18:52 |
| FIQ | why? | 18:52 |
| FIQ | is there a good reason for it? | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we cleaned out Nokia, a few months ago. On their special request | 18:53 |
| chem|st | stop please! | 18:53 |
| chem|st | FIQ: we are not changing anything for now | 18:53 |
| FIQ | oh ok | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly caffeine deficit | 18:53 |
| chem|st | ;) | 18:53 |
| FIQ | IMO changing urls would be a lot of effort for... nothing? I dunno, but it would be a lot of effort anyway | 18:53 |
| FIQ | Unless you at least allow redirection from the old URL | 18:54 |
| FIQ | then it would work I guess | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YES FIQ! we all thnk the same | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I've been most radical in suggesting a CNAME from sailfishtalk.com to talk.maemo.org/sailfish/ | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and vBul could prolly even automatically switch skin on the vHost | 18:56 |
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| marmistrz | freemangordon: ping | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where skin even could imply "hide all other subforums" | 18:56 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: CNAME to a directory? wat | 18:56 |
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| FIQ | CNAME only allows domain aliases to other domains, not domains+directories... unless we mean 2 different things | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: for you I can write it RFC style ;-) | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: I used 2021 syntax, not yet published and commonly known | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 18:58 |
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| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: :P | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: you know, starting 2015 they plan to get a worldwide out-of-band sidechannel to go along the side of "normal" internet | 18:59 |
| FIQ | ahh | 18:59 |
| FIQ | of course | 19:00 |
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| SAiF | I think I fried my IR | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iseful for ICMP too | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | useful even | 19:00 |
| SAiF | is there a way to test? | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:01 |
| SAiF | how? | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get two mirrors or a second videocamera | 19:01 |
| SAiF | adn? | 19:01 |
| SAiF | and? | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | operate IR LED and watch it by a camera | 19:01 |
| SAiF | how to operate IR LED? | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doing this with N900 camera is proven to work but tricky without a second N900, thus the mirrors | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | SAiF: install pierogi or irreco | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I used irreco for that, but I'm absolutely sure there are other apps and also some sysnode | 19:02 |
| marmistrz | freemangordon: I have a question about the autobuilder | 19:03 |
| SAiF | I was using pierogi, first of all I was getting outputs while scanning. for remote. | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tv-b-gone comes to mind | 19:03 |
| SAiF | but now pierogi is showing some, error, | 19:03 |
| SAiF | I doubt, i fried the IR | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pierogi is pretty screwed by design | 19:03 |
| SAiF | ^hi freemangordon. | 19:04 |
| marmistrz | freemangordon: Are all length pubkeys supported? After losing my previous key, I decided to copy my desktop pubkey | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | SAiF: hi! | 19:04 |
| FIQ | SAiF: if an application shows an error, my usual first thought is not "ok, hardware error" | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hard to believe you could fry the LED, it's driven at feeble level | 19:04 |
| FIQ | but rather my last, after debugging it a bit :D | 19:04 |
| marmistrz | freemangordon: IIRC, it was longer than the previous one (which was working) | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: hmm? care to elaborate a bit? what keys, where? | 19:05 |
| marmistrz | I'm uploading right now the pubkey | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 19:05 |
| SAiF | thats good to hear.. I dont care if it works or not | 19:05 |
| marmistrz | http://marmistrz.comli.com/public/id_rsa.pub | 19:05 |
| marmistrz | at the autobuilder | 19:05 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: speaking of which, I suspect that my N900 has a broken BT as it refuses to find any devices at all (and there has been several reflashes between the issue, and it hasn't ever disappeared so I strongly doubt it's firmware error) | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, that's sysop domain | 19:06 |
| marmistrz | I uploaded it yesterday (~24 hrs ago) | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: no idea, but I guess you should follow the instructions on garage | 19:06 |
| FIQ | any idea how to verify it? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly, but almost | 19:06 |
| SAiF | oops sorry seems like you are in the middle of a serious discussion | 19:06 |
| FIQ | there isn't really any errors | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon has no permissions to mess with user accounts | 19:06 |
| FIQ | but it always says that there's no devices nearby | 19:06 |
| SAiF | bye freemangordon, FIQ | 19:06 |
| FIQ | regardless of whether or not that'st rue | 19:06 |
| FIQ | *that's true | 19:06 |
| marmistrz | freemangordon: the keys generated in the scratchbox are shorter than the ones generated by raring. My concern is: are the longer keys unsupported? | 19:07 |
| FIQ | and (before I ever did a reflash when the error appeared the first time) the existing paired things didn't work either | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz: sync from garage to builder might take 24 or even 48h | 19:07 |
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| marmistrz | DocScrutinizer05: thx | 19:08 |
| marmistrz | I'll wait patiently :) | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the cronjob runs only once a day, and it's not unheard that it fails halfway thru | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you're in a hurry, ask fremangordon to copy the key manually | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or xes or warfare | 19:10 |
| marmistrz | No hurry ;) If I was in a hurry, I'd have used the web interface :) but thanks | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the usersync cronjob deploys the user credentials from garage to all the other VM | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least it's supposed to do | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we already know it fails for deleting users, as well as for certain config changes | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested to chage that crap to event-triggered on garage, maybe 6 months ago | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but we have too little manpower to sanitize that stuff | 19:13 |
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| marmistrz | DocScrutinizer05: did you notice the gconf-cleaner package polling the extras-cauldron-list? Maybe it'd be good to remove it's (as it's broken) | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconf-cleaner package polling the extras-cauldron-list ??? o.O | 19:50 |
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| venemo_ff | hey | 20:17 |
| venemo_ff | how's the neo900 going? | 20:17 |
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| grr | suddenly it become very popular. | 20:19 |
| grr | all major portals are writing about it. | 20:19 |
| ecc3g | i do wonder about its software compatibility with existing software, that has to be the hardest thing with closed source all around... | 20:22 |
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| anYc | not if as much as possible stays the same | 20:23 |
| anYc | and that's the major design goal | 20:24 |
| anYc | (afaik) | 20:24 |
| venemo_ff | yeah | 20:24 |
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| ecc3g | eh... everything changed, new SOC, new modem, etc.,etc. | 20:24 |
| anYc | although people work on replacing the closed parts | 20:24 |
| ecc3g | will the camera the same even? | 20:24 |
| venemo_ff | I'm surprised by its popularity | 20:24 |
| anYc | yeah, with compatible parts or parts that have oss drivers | 20:24 |
| anYc | take a look into the FAQ | 20:25 |
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| anYc | if I remember correctly, only 3d (that's not required for the UI) is closed | 20:26 |
| lufu | There is also #neo900 btw. | 20:28 |
| grr | Neo900 project became popular with actual release of Jolla. What a coincidence... | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anYc: that's about kernel | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for maemo5 the picture looks different: we have a number of middleware and app-level blobs we need to patch or replace | 20:29 |
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| anYc | ah ok, so they depend on specific HW features? | 20:31 |
| anYc | thought they're only required to make SW fully OSS | 20:32 |
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| grr | I saw recently brand new (with the QR sticker on LCD) costs in Poland for 1250PLN. New N9 was much cheaper. | 20:39 |
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| sequantz | I bought my N9 for 900PLN in May 2012 | 20:40 |
| sequantz | brand new | 20:40 |
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| grr | I asked the shopkeeper why the N9 is cheaper. He said, you know, it's just NOT the same. :) | 20:46 |
| anYc | poland doesn't use euros? didn't know that | 20:46 |
| grr | nope, it does not. | 20:46 |
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| anYc | imho, that's one of the few nice things for people about europe :) | 20:47 |
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| anYc | no checks and money one has to exchange | 20:48 |
| sequantz | euros in Poland? not yet :D | 20:49 |
| sequantz | you can buy new n9 for 750 PLN, but those n9 are imported from China/Hong Kong/Singapore | 20:50 |
| grr | the concept was good, but they screwed it up a bit. or two bit. and no parity check. :) | 20:50 |
| grr | i don't like N9. I was disapointing smartphone. | 20:51 |
| sequantz | :) | 20:51 |
| grr | I still use n900. can't replace it with anything else. | 20:53 |
| sequantz | i'm looking for n900 now | 20:55 |
| sequantz | but many of them are in horrible condition ;) | 20:55 |
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| grr | You can still find a brand new sometimes. | 20:57 |
| sequantz | yeah, but they are too expensive ;) | 20:58 |
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| grr | They are. | 20:59 |
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| Venemo | so, I'm quite surprised by how many people actually funded the Neo900 | 21:30 |
| Venemo | it reminded me to the good old times | 21:30 |
| Venemo | I kind of still miss the hardware keyboard | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then go ahead do your donation ;-) | 21:49 |
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| x0rn | hey guys. can anyone help me in understanding of how to calculate current price for one Neo900 device? i read FAQ, but im not sure that i got all the rules clearly. so, what donation should i do to get complete device for sure? | 22:00 |
| Defiant | afaik currently you can just donate >100euro right now and pay the rest later | 22:01 |
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| sequantz | so, how "big" is the rest? :D | 22:03 |
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| x0rn | k, and when i am to pay the rest? and how to calculate the rest? (= | 22:04 |
| x0rn | sequantz: hehe.. yes %) | 22:04 |
| Defiant | x0rn: have you seen the forum thread? | 22:04 |
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| x0rn | Defiant: yes, but it has more than 100 pages. i read about microphone, audio codecs, etc. but havent found donations. | 22:06 |
| x0rn | Defiant: if to consider my eng knowledge -- i totally stuck in understanding of donation system ='( | 22:07 |
| Defiant | x0rn: I know, I have followed it over time, but in my Opinion only the first post is the one you really need. | 22:07 |
| jake42 | http://neo900.org/faq#cost | 22:09 |
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| x0rn | jake42: i saw, 500-700 EUR for motherboard and +150 to complete device, but "Those prices are just early estimations, are subject to change and depend heavily on number of orders." | 22:11 |
| x0rn | jake42: i just trying to understand how that estimations changed after completion of Phase 4 (200 devices) and how to calculate real price atm | 22:11 |
| jake42 | x0rn: yes, as they haven't sourced all the parts yet, no one can say for sure how much | 22:12 |
| Defiant | right now they can estimate the price only based on prior experience.. | 22:12 |
| jake42 | which is somewhere between 500 and 700 :P | 22:13 |
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| jake42 | it nothing like going to the mall :) | 22:13 |
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| jake42 | s/it/it's/ | 22:14 |
| infobot | jake42 meant: it's nothing like going to the mall :) | 22:14 |
| x0rn | thx, i understand now. and one more question -- "when?". for example -- i donated 100+ EUR and now im able to buy device, after i paid the rest. how can i get know that they are shipping current devices, so i can pay the rest right now and get one? | 22:15 |
| grr | there are not any interesting gadgets in the mall. | 22:15 |
| jake42 | x0rn: be sure that you will be informed when shipping starts | 22:16 |
| jake42 | but that will take another few months | 22:16 |
| jake42 | I *heard* something like second or third quarter | 22:16 |
| grr | porting freemantle seems to be a major issue. unless the new soc is downward compatible. | 22:17 |
| x0rn | btw, first 200 devices is already sold? | 22:17 |
| jake42 | grr: new soc is pretty similar | 22:17 |
| Defiant | There is no single neo900 sold yet. | 22:18 |
| grr | that's great. | 22:18 |
| jake42 | x0rn: 200 preordered = 200 donations over 100€ | 22:18 |
| jake42 | grr: just a little faster | 22:18 |
| grr | did any of you guys ordered the jolla thingy? | 22:18 |
| x0rn | jake42: Defiant: thanks for help! | 22:19 |
| jake42 | x0rn: yw :) | 22:19 |
| Defiant | jolla is missing a keyboard.. | 22:20 |
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| grr | yes. i wonder why. lot of people were requesting a keyboard. | 22:20 |
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| jake42 | I would guess designing a keyboard isn't the easiest part | 22:23 |
| jake42 | so they would just drop it | 22:23 |
| grr | I thought there are still some hansets with HW keyboard built in. | 22:25 |
| mashina | all shit | 22:25 |
| grr | N900 has suprisingly good keyboard for it's size. Much better than n810 had. | 22:25 |
| mashina | i don't mind the 3row kb really | 22:26 |
| jake42 | grr: I think n810 kb is better than n900 :) | 22:26 |
| mashina | especially because the screen doesn't so out so much that it creates wear/flimsiness | 22:26 |
| grr | Not for me. I was slightly bigger so it is suppose to be better, but i am making more typing mistakes on n810 and almost none on n900. Could be quality of the switches, I don't know. | 22:28 |
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| jake42 | grr: not typing toi much anymore on my n810, though | 22:29 |
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| grr | I sometimes use it as external bluetooth keyboard/mouse for the media centre and sometimes as an IP radio. | 22:31 |
| grr | It would be cool to built N810 into the vintage 80-ties style boombox for the ip radio and podcasts. | 22:33 |
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| ShadowJK | N810 upper row were a bit too close to screen | 22:34 |
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| ShadowJK | and keys were flatter | 22:34 |
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| * sixwheeledbeast wonders how easy it would be to shoehorn inductive charging circuitry into a Neo900 | 22:58 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | I guess there's not much room in there as it is :( | 22:59 |
| Defiant | sixwheeledbeast: someone did that to the n900 | 22:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Defiant: yep, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56950 | 23:00 |
| Woody14619 | Samsung is doing it in the battery pack itself. Not in phone at all. Buy a new battery, drop it in, and you can inductive charge, even on a model that didn't support it natively. | 23:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 23:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | must have a lower capacity battery | 23:01 |
| Woody14619 | slightly smaller battery, (coil wraps around the whole cell normally, taking a sliver of room). But nothing significant. | 23:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | interesting.. | 23:01 |
| Woody14619 | The chip needed to handle it is small enough to fit in the header with the charge protection circuitry there. | 23:02 |
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