IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-11-04

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zamn900Herbstbert, I found it00:01
zamn900is the up and left button00:01
zamn900press it long time00:02
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zamn900hey I missed to ask how to connect android to n900 and contrary?00:08
zamn900ssh like00:08
Aggezamn900, opensshd? and the n900 and a ssh termnal program on the android?00:10
HerbstbertOK, I'll try... :)00:11
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zamn900uh exists openssh for android ... never seen00:13
AggeI don't think that openssh exist for android. I usialy use coneectbot for comand stuff00:15
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zamn900yep I mean similar exists00:16
Aggesixwheeledbeast, I have added CSSU, CSSU testing, CSSU thumb, extras and extras testing any more repositories you would recommend?00:17
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merlin1991either cssu or cssu testing00:19
merlin1991and only one of extras, extras-testing, extras-devel00:19
sixwheeledbeastI would recommend disabling extras-testing and you will find an instant increase in HAM's speed.00:19
merlin1991in the above to lines the right repo is always a superset of the left one00:19
merlin1991so no need to make more work for apt / ham when you gain not a single extra package00:20
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merlin1991hm does not exist yet00:21
Aggeshould I install any of the other cssu packages that exist?00:21
sixwheeledbeastcssu packages?00:22
Aggelike the cssu feature configuration editor00:22
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sixwheeledbeastthere not "cssu packages" per say, more extras package that is a GUI for CSSU h-d options.00:24
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sixwheeledbeastI don't bother, call gconftool via terminal as I don't change them after I set as I like.00:26
Aggeanything more I should do to make my N900 as good that it is possible. I have installed the CSSU and CSSU tumbs and the power kernel00:31
sixwheeledbeastIt works well for people who like to play with the settings in a GUI.00:31
sixwheeledbeastAgge: backupmenu?00:31
Aggethat one is installed forgot to mention it00:31
sixwheeledbeastwell do a backup before installing anything from extras.00:33
AggeI did one befor installing CSSU00:34
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Aggeyeah I did run your cleanup script also00:41
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sixwheeledbeastwell if you've got a base and done a backup, feel free to wonder into userland00:47
sixwheeledbeastword of caution avoid ~crappatch00:47
Aggeit feels allot more unlaggy now00:48
sixwheeledbeastand only install what you need and if possible avoid widgets00:48
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sixwheeledbeastmaybe try swap on uSD also00:49
sixwheeledbeastyou can put your swap space on a uSD card, however has the issue of not being able to remove back cover.00:51
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sixwheeledbeastwell without switching swap back to device.00:53
Aggedo it realy unmount the sd card when removing the back cover?00:54
sixwheeledbeastHowever the idea of thumb is that you shouldn't be using as much swap00:54
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sixwheeledbeastthe uSD is unmounted due to a magnet in the kickstand IIRC00:55
sixwheeledbeastso if swap is on uSD it's like pulling a ram stick out of a booted desktop.00:55
bindiso DocScrutinizer05 my n900 doorbell project kinda is stalled :P00:56
bindii still dont know what does "enabling micbias" mean, i still can't get the headphone control thingy to react to the button being pressed00:56
bindido i really need to run something like openmediaplayer in the background to get it working?00:56
AggeI need to test that whitout the battery falling out :)00:56
Aggebindi, 3 button headphone?00:58
bindimade a button myself as per DocScrutinizer05's instructions00:59
sixwheeledbeastbindi: you need to break it down, if you haven't already. Is the button working for standard maemo tasks? Or is it the code?01:00
bindibreak what down? :o01:00
sixwheeledbeastthe problem01:01
sixwheeledbeastas in diagnose where the problem is.01:01
bindiwell i would have assumed hsetctrl works on it's own, so when it's running, my command isnt executed as specified in hsetctrl.py01:01
bindiDocScrutinizer05 talked something about "enable micbias" (like running a program to do that?)01:01
sixwheeledbeastbut that has broken the problem down far enough. can you prove the headset button is detected and works on it's own?01:03
bindiwhat apps can i use to test the mute button? no sim in it01:04
bindito place a call01:04
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sixwheeledbeastOMP can play/pause tracks with it on CSSU-T01:04
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Eldon_IIAnybody have an idea why the usb would fail?01:06
bindifail how? the port came loose? weak soldering01:07
sixwheeledbeastbindi: doesn't "dmesg" output contain headset button connected/pressed information?01:07
Eldon_IIWhen connecting anything notthing happens. When trying to switch modes with ASUI it says 'module insertion failed'01:07
bindisixwheeledbeast: nope01:07
bindiwell i should confirm with a real headset :p01:08
sixwheeledbeastbindi: I know "headphone connected" works with a real headset, so you have now broken down the problem further :)01:09
Eldon_IICan't find anything about this error on google or the forums01:09
bindisixwheeledbeast: it does show connected, but not pressed01:09
sixwheeledbeastI get "input: headset button" on press here.01:10
bindisure you get it on press?01:13
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bindisays "input: headset button as /class..." something for me on connect, nothing when i press it01:13
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Eldon_III'm using n800 w/os2008 +community update01:15
mashina_this sdk is not worth fighting with - i'd much rather get auto* running on-device but can't L/01:15
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Aggedo the WPA pre shared key also test for WPA2 keys or do I need to do somthing to enable WPA2 on it?01:27
merlin1991mashina_: fighting?01:37
merlin1991for met it works perfectly01:37
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Timmo_hi ppl01:42
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mashina_merlin1991: autogen doesn't want to make a install-sh02:25
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mashina_i can't get sym popup to appear, huhu?03:20
mashina_control & and alt work03:20
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SAiFmy media player started playng automatically at 23:00 yesterday.05:39
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zamn900good morning! there is a problem11:47
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zamn900my screen does not sleep alone by it self11:48
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zamn900there is something wrong with qlockscreen?11:56
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HerbstbertI've uninstalled qlockscreen completely12:11
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zamn900how much memory need nitroid or android image for running in this 900?13:06
zamn900can it run on SD?13:06
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DocScrutinizer05memory? dunno but for sure more than the 256MB real memory available, so you'll need swap. Run from SD? sure, I don't know of any other way to run it.13:24
DocScrutinizer05well, ok. you could install it to eMMC13:25
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DocScrutinizer05but that's honestly not recommended13:25
DocScrutinizer05since most likely you soonish will want to get rid of nitdroid again13:25
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zamn900DocScrutinizer05, goodmorning13:37
DocScrutinizer05You bet is is a very good morning for me, hope for you too :-D13:38
* DocScrutinizer05 waits with a fat grin for the last 130EUR to come in13:38
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zamn900amyway DocScrutinizer05 my screen in n900 does not sleep13:41
zamn900I uninstalled also qtlockscreen13:41
zamn900does not matter13:41
DocScrutinizer05on charger?13:42
zamn900is related to KP?13:43
zamn900and some overclock?13:43
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zamn900I installed the kp for overclock and script13:44
zamn900and for user... because I wanted to use my minimouse but does not work13:45
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zamn900DocScrutinizer05,  inactivity without charger I mean13:50
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zamn900oh DocScrutinizer05 wa mplayer in background13:54
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zamn900hello DocScrutinizer0515:16
zamn900my battery is crazy15:16
zamn900it showa that can't go ahead15:16
zamn900but it does instead15:16
zamn900and idk how to see statua battery in terminal15:17
zamn900maybe it's right low level battery15:17
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zamn900but as I put the charger it does not charge15:17
zamn900so it seems15:17
DocScrutinizer05your system is kinda messed up15:20
zamn900but it runs well and fast15:21
DocScrutinizer05you probably installed some battery-related or charging-related stuff that is broken by design and caused havok on the system15:21
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zamn900battery patch15:22
infobot[speedpatch] >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]15:22
zamn900oh no15:22
DocScrutinizer05it's unclear what nasty stuff those crappatches do to system, but it's a lot and not really uninstalls cleanly for all I know15:23
infobotrumour has it, speedpatch is >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]15:23
infobotjrtools is, like,
KenYoungI got bitten by that patch too.   It overclocked me without me knowing it.   I didn't discover that for weeks.15:24
zamn900anyway it is all fine less that it does not show much time is left for battery level15:24
zamn900it seems charged battery15:25
zamn900I am still chatting15:25
zamn900KenYoung, exactly all my n900 is super overclocked15:25
zamn900idk but i dont reflash15:26
zamn900anyway DocScrutinizer05 what's the best app for remote control?15:26
zamn900cool DocScrutinizer05 the solution is bnf15:32
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zamn900it shows the right way battery is15:32
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys bq15:33
infobotFactoid search of 'bq' by key (20 of 39): airport abq ;; airport bqn ;; bbq ;; bq-calibrate ;; bq27k-calibration ;; bq27k-detail ;; bqs ;; cbq ;; cbq.init ;; gbbq ;; gnu/linux bbq project ;; gnubbq ;; html <bq clear> ;; html <bq nowrap> ;; html <bq> ;; jargon bqs ;; jbq ;; jobqueue ;; jobqueue  ;; kbquery.15:33
infoboti guess bq27k-detail is
DocScrutinizer05but bnf is ok, approved by me15:33
zamn900it says it charging and good level15:34
DocScrutinizer05anyway it will not cure the damage done by those idiotpatches15:34
zamn900i know15:34
zamn900I am trying other patches15:35
DocScrutinizer05you shouldn't try *any* 2patches"15:36
DocScrutinizer05basically there is nothing to patch in maemo - it's simply perfect :-P15:36
DocScrutinizer05if there's nevertheless something that needs patching, then you find the "patches" for that in CSSU15:37
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zamn900dude DocScrutinizer05 the guide says to purge15:43
DocScrutinizer05sorry you're speaking in riddles15:44
DocScrutinizer05so don't trust the guide, he's an alien15:44
DocScrutinizer05and actually a she15:45
zamn900I reboot to see if fixed15:46
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zamn900DocScrutinizer05, you were fucking right about CSSU16:41
zamn900now I removed the battery applet at all remains bnf only16:42
zamn900how to remove remaining config16:42
zamn900purge maybe?16:42
zamn900wow bnf says double minutes of battery life after CSSU OS update and reboot16:43
zamn900awsome fuck16:43
SAiFAnybody watching out for the Nov 5 2013 event by anonymous?
zamn900let's see16:46
GI_Jacknot in particular16:46
GI_Jackmight get drunk16:46
zamn900what's the anon purpose now in this coming date?16:48
SAiFwell, I wonder if that may have an impact on our project.16:49
SAiFjust kidding16:49
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zamn900SAiF, that's I am asking too16:50
zamn900so what their purpose this time16:50
Sysaxednow it says "Let's produce more than 1 000 devices!", what does that mean? :)16:50
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SAiFNO anon will get in our way. dont bother.16:52
zamn900lol why not16:52
Sysaxedit would be great if it explained that part, like "spread the word" or "donate more".16:52
SAiFSysaxed that means to keep the fundraiser on and to collect max funds so that the productiion cost can be reduced16:53
SysaxedSAiF: hmm, okay, then maybe they should set another goal? :)16:53
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kolpSysaxed: Yes, to have 1000+ preorders ;)16:54
Sysaxedah, okay. :)16:54
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SAiFI never thought, It would get to 25k that easily.16:55
zamn900can be more clair? I dont get the goal16:55
SAiFIt was kind of slow at the first quarter.16:55
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grammoboysixwheeledbeast, on linux you can run multiple instances of a certain kind of video software, is it possible to display different videos to different tvs using one hardware device with linux?17:19
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zamn900oh yeah DocScrutinizer05 is hackfixed now removing its default applet for widget and bnf17:23
DocScrutinizer05sorry I still don't get your riddles17:23
zamn900it says the right level now17:23
chem|stgrammoboy: multiple displays.... from one graphicscard... sure why not?17:23
zamn900riddles I ignore the meaning sorry17:24
Lava_Croftoh no, not this place17:24
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zamn900of course grammoboy17:24
DocScrutinizer05TSSS what a cameo17:24
zamn900that's pretty possible17:24
grammoboyI'm thinking about old TVs as dislplays17:25
chem|stgrammoboy: there is no difference17:25
zamn900right no difference17:25
DocScrutinizer05configure multihead17:26
grammoboyok thx you hackers17:27
chem|stgrammoboy: the keywords you are looking for depending on how old your graphics drivers are, are xinerama|multihead|randr - "old" TVs will depend on the outputs available on your card and the amount of signal converters you have17:28
grammoboyprobably one output17:28
chem|stgood old scart is nothing else than composite video17:28
zamn900I don't feel like hacker17:29
grammoboybut I was thinking about something like this
grammoboydistribute signal from videocard to multiple tvs via such a distribution amp17:29
grammoboybut I don't want the same video on all tvs17:29
SAiFsame video in all TVS, v?17:30
SAiFthen you will need more than one output ports17:30
grammoboyhm so there is a problem17:31
chem|stgrammoboy: I have one of those
chem|stor similar17:31
grammoboyI see, thx17:32
chem|stI convert to vga, this one converts from vga17:32
grammoboybut according to SAiF multiple videos are problematic17:32
DocScrutinizer05how ould they be problematic unless your CPU's maxed out?17:33
chem|stgrammoboy: each TV will need one output from your computer17:33
grammoboya normal computer has one or two outputs right?17:34
DocScrutinizer05and you can use graphics cards with multiple outputs, or multiple GraCa, or even both17:34
SAiFIf you have a new pc it would have more than one output without graphic card17:34
DocScrutinizer05a "normal" comouter has one output, possibly with 2 different connector formfactors17:35
SAiFand as Doc said17:35
chem|stgrammoboy: I have like 4 or something17:35
DocScrutinizer05some high end "normal" computers have 2 outputs that can drive independant signals17:35
grammoboyright, so displaying 4 different videos on 4 different tvs, then you need 4 outputs17:35
chem|ston one card17:35
SAiFI use both graphic and onboard VGA, and I have  a DVI and HDMI left on graphiccad17:36
SAiFyes sure..17:36
zamn900cssu is awesome17:36
SAiFbest option is to get any flux edition cards..17:37
SAiFor new nvidia cards support 4 displays by default17:37
grammoboyor buy 4 Rpi's ...17:38
grammoboyI hoped I needed one for this17:38
grammoboywhat is funny about that17:41
chem|stgrammoboy: that is like 100P a card with 4 outputs is like 40P17:43
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grammoboyI will think about this further17:44
grammoboythanks for your expertise17:45
grammoboynot pennies17:46
DocScrutinizer05quite unusual currency17:47
SAiFgermany not in Euro?17:47
SAiFits europe?17:48
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I as well wondered why he didn't use EUR17:48
DocScrutinizer05question mark?17:48
SAiFEUR.. right. I m from the other side.. lol17:48
zamn900does aircrack really work?17:49
DocScrutinizer05so yes, we're using EUR in almost all of Europe17:49
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: SAiF somehow tseems to think that GBP is in germany17:50
WizzupThat is why I am confused.17:50
SAiFpractically only work for WEP from n900.17:50
SAiFthen what is GBP?17:50
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: weird, given it's Great Britain Pounds17:50
SAiFwell LOL..17:50
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WizzupDocScrutinizer05: my point exactly :)17:52
SAiFI somehow thought G = Germany. :)17:52
chem|stSAiF: great britain pound = GBP = pound sterling17:57
chem|stand I replied in GBP as his link was
sixwheeledbeastGBP = pounds sterling - GBP is ISO abbrv. term17:59
SAiFSo Britain is not using EUR right?17:59
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sixwheeledbeastgrammoboy: how you getting on?  I am reading backscroll....17:59
SAiFand atleast can i think that all other european countries use EUR?18:00
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sixwheeledbeastAnd no Britain doesn't want the EUR as the GBP is much stronger :)18:00
SAiFthanks for the info..18:01
Wizzupsixwheeledbeast: stronger? lol :)18:01
chem|stSAiF: there is a difference between euro-zone, EU and Europe...18:02
Wizzupoh well18:02
chem|stsixwheeledbeast: no they believe their economy will crash if taking €18:02
SAiFoops, look like I have to study on that topic chem|st18:02
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sixwheeledbeastIt is. Plus it is used throughout the British commonwealth which don't all lie in europe.18:04
sixwheeledbeast~change 1 GBP to EUR18:05
infobotDon't know about "1" as a currency18:05
Sysaxed~change 1£ to €18:06
infobotthat doesn't look right18:06
chem|stSAiF: EU is the former "European-Communities" {economic (EEC) + atomic (Euratom) + coal and steel (ECSC)}18:06
chem|st~change GBP to EUR18:06
infobotthat doesn't look right18:06
chem|st~change 1GBP to EUR18:06
infobotthat doesn't look right18:06
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chem|stEU is growing from time to time so is the EuroZone, but they do not match18:08
sixwheeledbeastIt seems infobots change feature is borked?18:09
chem|stsome baltic countries + norway & island are still not in the EU18:09
DocScrutinizer05~convert 1 GBP to USD18:10
infobot1 GBP is approximately 2.0157 USD18:10
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chem|st~convert 1 BTC to EUR18:11
DocScrutinizer05change is a command to change factoids18:11
infobot1 BTC cannot be converted to EUR: Unknown unit 'BTC'18:11
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: thanks!18:11
SAiFso eurozone < EU (eurozone+ Britain + Denmark) < Europe (EU +baltic countries + norway)18:11
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SAiFthats enough for me.18:12
SAiFmore than enough18:13
SAiF~convert 1 EUR to RS18:13
infobot1 EUR cannot be converted to RS: Unknown unit 'RS'18:13
SAiF~convert 1 EUR to INR18:14
infobot1 EUR is approximately 55.9082 INR18:14
infobotliar is probably me18:14
SAiFyes right.18:14
SAiFits 83.3918:14
SAiF~convert 1 EUR to USD18:18
infobot1 EUR is approximately 1.4128 USD18:18
DocScrutinizer05Here is the message that has just been posted:18:18
DocScrutinizer05main phone unless a new, advanced version of the n900 is available (not neo900 cz i cant find it)<<<18:18
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sixwheeledbeastI can't believe 1GBP is 2USD more like 1.60USD how up to date is convert?18:19
sonowell, we is probably looking on amazon.18:19
sonolet me ask mine18:19
SAiF~convert 1 GBP to USD18:21
infobot1 GBP is approximately 2.0157 USD18:21
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SAiFMy mediaplayer started automatically last night. Does this ever happened to anyone else?18:24
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: no idea18:28
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: check the source, Luke!18:29
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SAiFI used the widget to play and pause couple of times, just for fun. Then After two hours idle time, that last song started playing automatically.18:30
SAiFLucky that I was not in college.18:31
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zamn900hey DocScrutinizer05 is the charger a bit weird or it is so that it works? I mean I plug the charger and it does not charge anymore and says to me to unplug for consume stuff18:37
DocScrutinizer05SAiF: was it you who got that defect digitizer?18:38
DocScrutinizer05then please stop reporting nonsense until your difitizer is fixed!18:39
zamn900I am not kidding or riddling18:39
SAiFwell, you think its digitizer error?18:39
DocScrutinizer05how else would mediaplayer start playing the song?18:40
sonoi couldnt think of anything plausible.. that would at least be reasonably likely18:40
zamn900well now works fine bye18:40
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sonoalso, i finally have to make my donation tonight..18:40
sonoi just saw you already exceede the goal18:41
SAiFhmm. may be right Doc, but I never felt it has any problem18:42
sixwheeledbeastthe riddler as left? SAiF it can only really be the digitizer18:43
SAiFWell, No probs.18:44
sixwheeledbeastI was playing with a 5800 yesterday with a broken digitizer very intermittent fault. Works ok for a while and then it goes mad.18:47
SAiFAfter I replaced with this (not original) one, I never felt an issue. This was the first time.18:48
SAiFI guess it is becoming abd18:48
sixwheeledbeastI am thinking it's better to get a "genuine" one for ~11GBP then a non-branded for ~3GBP18:51
SAiFseeing the price , it looks like I have original  cost me around ~12 GBP to get it replaced18:55
SAiFbut I know its fake18:55
sixwheeledbeastdid you replace yourself?18:55
sixwheeledbeastif not I would expect most of that is labour18:56
SAiFhmm :(18:56
sixwheeledbeastI was on about 5800 for prices above BTW18:57
SAiFI could have done that easily but, I thought like If he mess it up, I can blame him. :)18:57
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SAiFnext time. I will do my self18:57
sixwheeledbeastIf he mess it up you won't get another N900 easily anyway. I am a do it myself if I can person tho.18:59
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: it seems the source says ~exchange is for currency but can't work out format, it grabs them live from ~convert is for units.19:24
sixwheeledbeast~convert 1 FLOZ to ML19:25
infobot1 FLOZ cannot be converted to ML: Unknown unit 'FLOZ'19:25
sixwheeledbeast~convert 1 floz to ml19:25
infobot1 floz is approximately 29.5735 ml19:25
cehtehqalc backend?19:26
cehtehinfobot: 1 + 119:26
cehtehinfobot: 1 ohm * 2 A19:26
sixwheeledbeast:) well 1 + 1 is 319:26
cehtehyeah fail19:27
sixwheeledbeastin binary19:27
cehteh> 1 ohm * 2 A to volt19:27
cehteh  1 * ohm * 2 * ampere = 2 V19:27
cehteh<3 qalc19:27
cehteh> 10!^10!19:29
cehtehCalculating (press Enter to abort).19:29
cehtehProcessing (press Enter to abort).......19:29
cehtehstill spinning :D19:29
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SAiFgudnite (UGT)19:32
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sixwheeledbeast1 plus 119:32
sixwheeledbeast~math 1 plus 119:33
sixwheeledbeast~1 plus 119:33
sixwheeledbeast~23 squared19:34
sixwheeledbeast~66 div 219:34
sixwheeledbeastcehteh: ^^ :)19:34
cehteh.. still spinning :(19:35
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Defiant"Now the Neo900 has a keyboard and i will not buy it because of that." lol?19:39
sixwheeledbeastis that from /. ?19:40
anYcmaemo forums19:40
Defiantthe now 113 neo900 post19:41
sixwheeledbeast~convert 100 tempC to tempF19:45
infobottempC(100) is approximately 212 tempF19:45
anYcdoes anyone know how 3d performance will change with n900 -> neo900? would also be a interesting point on the Specs site19:46
Defiantyou guess we will get a 3d driver?19:47
Wizzupwith powervr? ;-)19:47
DocScrutinizer05~convert 0 tempK to tempC19:47
infobottempK(0) is approximately -273.15 tempC19:47
infobotmethinks 1+1 is 3 for large values of 119:48
sixwheeledbeastThat member signed up today to say he didn't want a Neo9 due to keyboard WTF.19:48
sixwheeledbeastdoc source says use plus not +19:48
anYcDefiant: I don't know, I only read that there will be no _free_ driver19:48
sixwheeledbeastplus minus div and times are in math.pl19:49
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infoboti heard 5! is 12019:49
infoboti heard 55! is 12,696,403,353,658,275,925,965,100,847,566,516,959,580,321,051,449,436,762,275,840,000,000,000,00019:49
DocScrutinizer05~ln 1019:50
DocScrutinizer05~10 + Pi19:51
DocScrutinizer05~10 + pi19:51
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sixwheeledbeast~10 add pi19:56
sixwheeledbeast~10 plus pi19:57
infobotThat's been it now?19:59
cehteh~pi pi20:00
infobot:), sixwheeledbeast20:01
cehteh... take that infobot20:01
sixwheeledbeast~shoot cehteh20:03
* infobot shoots cehteh in the eye with a spitwad!20:03
cehtehmean bot20:03
sixwheeledbeastFOSS GSM stack illegal?20:04
cehtehdepends where and what circumstances20:05
cehtehiirc here in germany you can run a FOSS basestation officially if you do some paperwork20:05
sixwheeledbeastI was thinking it would depend on country20:06
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Defiantcehteh: according to some rumours you shouldn't run one. Else you risk to damage every phone in your proximity20:07
cehtehthe eventphone ppl iirc did that officially and similar on some CCC events20:08
cehtehdunno ask ppl who are more involved with this20:08
Defiantcehteh: I know. And on the route to that they had quite some fun.20:09
Defiantcehteh: Like they turned it one with their own network name. Since it was the strongest network all phones nearby connected to that one.20:10
DefiantOf course they showed the new network name on the display. Problem is...they triggered a bug with the phones where from that point on the phones always were showing this network name20:11
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sixwheeledbeastSo that's a device issue not a network issue.20:28
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Defiantboth, they are afraid that you damage their networks with an open source stack.20:38
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zamn900hello I would have the keyboard shortcuts21:38
zamn900but it says broken repo21:38
lexikzamn900: what? paste the error message somewhere21:40
zamn900one moment wait I am giving last try using the HAM21:41
zemmylexik, it says missing package : modified-hildon-desktop21:45
DocScrutinizer05get CSSU!21:46
zemmyI got21:46
zemmyit's awesome... but is it useful for what else21:46
DocScrutinizer05then forget that shit, whatever it is. CSSU *has* 'modified HD'21:46
zemmyhow can I change shortcuts21:47
zemmyhave them21:47
DocScrutinizer05##   OBSOLETE with CSSU, so now commented out #o#   #####21:48
DocScrutinizer05# fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug21:48
DocScrutinizer05## new: with ctrl-BS for nice taskswitching, see21:48
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DocScrutinizer05cehteh: eventphone works with a licence, on approved hw21:52
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zamn900DocScrutinizer05, I don't find shortcuts21:57
zamn900I must install some for it21:57
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DocScrutinizer05installing whatever you tried to install will ruin your system, since installing MHD will.  I told you to forget that piece of software whatever it is22:03
cehtehDocScrutinizer05: yes but the software is a FOSS stack or?22:04
DocScrutinizer05partially yes22:04
DocScrutinizer05but on the BTS22:04
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DocScrutinizer05dialer is also FOSS (well actually it would be nice if it was) and still it's not relevant for the cert status of the phone22:05
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DocScrutinizer05the cert for the BTS transmitter is a different one than the cert for your phone radio chipset22:06
DocScrutinizer05and when you change or modify the phone modem's firmware, the cert is moot and thus the TX is illegal to operate22:07
DocScrutinizer05I don't see how osmocom running a local BTS with a temporary licence is related to this topic22:08
DocScrutinizer05the modem must get calibrated to comply with the specs required by the network. A BTS doesn't need any calibration since it IS the network22:10
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AggeDocScrutinizer05, how come the line-in and irDA is "√" on the minimal neo900 but "X" on the optimal?23:15
DocScrutinizer05because I don't even know how to type √23:16
DocScrutinizer05iow everything other than "-" and " " means "check"23:16
DocScrutinizer05no matter if "x" or "√"23:16
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DocScrutinizer05since a few hours ago some user asked similar question, Nikolaus probably changed all "x" to "√" and missed a few23:18
Aggeany thought about how complex NFC you could use in the optimal? would it be Proxmark compatible?23:18
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AggeI was looking on an old download so it could be fixed alredy23:19
Aggenope still in the version online :)23:20
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DocScrutinizer05NFC is pretty fuzzy specified for Neo900 yet23:30
DocScrutinizer05and I have to admit I'm no expert for NFC since I never seen it in real life23:31
DocScrutinizer05Germany is basically a NFC-free zone23:31
Aggewow. so you don't have any of the stupid public transport rfid card stuff?23:32
DocScrutinizer05at least I haven't seen any yet23:32
Aggenice. we have a system in my city (in Sweden) that is realy stupidly imlimented23:34
DocScrutinizer05I tried to make my N9 show some life with any of the access control (key) systems I found at several offices, but it seems this type of NFC is different to what N9 supports. Which also tells about the real problem with NFC:23:34
DocScrutinizer05it's not standardized23:34
Aggeyeah. in the end it is 2(or 3) frequency standards then the data stuff is a mess.23:35
DocScrutinizer05or at least there's no commonly accepted dominating standard yet, rather a half a dozen or more different incompatible ones23:35
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Aggeyeah. I am checking but I think I have seen some open hardware/software devices for it that can handele most different implementins23:36
DocScrutinizer05so it's more like NFC<=>wireless network   rather than NFC<=>WLAN_802.1123:37
DocScrutinizer05to me it's largely unclear WHICH flavor of NFC was usefull to integrate into Neo90023:38
Aggeif <=> is more or less. then yeah. and in the end some of the problem is that NFC is just one smal part of RFID23:38
DocScrutinizer05<=> is "equivalent (meaning) to"23:39
DocScrutinizer05well, DFID seems even a sharper more narrow definition than NFC23:39
DocScrutinizer05for RFID there seem to be "only" two or three popular standards23:40
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DocScrutinizer05but it seems in other countries there are some RFID systems that support e.g. N9 as wel as other similar mobile devices with "NFC"23:41
Aggein my understanding NFC is a broad implementation of RFID. but with the usial everyone desiding that they want to do thear own thing and messing stuff up23:42
AggeI had the opertunity to check the NFC on the N9 but on android it exist several apps to read and write RFID/NFC but it is ofthen hit or miss on what app work on what card23:43
DocScrutinizer05and even worse it seem that now some credit cards come with NFC so you don't even need to pull them out of your pocket23:43
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DocScrutinizer05then the next question: what shall your integrated NFC actually do? shall it act like a tag or like a reader?23:44
Aggeyeah you can scan them from about 1-2m with simple hardware (50-100with complex) and from the american cridit cards you get all info.23:45
Aggereader/emulator is what I would prefer23:45
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Aggethis is with schamatics
Aggeand this is a intresting talk about the security of RFID and prsentation of that one of the creator (A Dutch security researcher)
Aggethey might even be able to help to design a implementation for the neo90023:49
DocScrutinizer05lemme put it this way: for Neo900 we would use a WLAN module that comes with NFC and we support whatever that is in the end23:50
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Aggeok. would be nice to have that security testing hardware on an mobile device23:52
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AggeI just remembered your EU passport should have RFID but that is encypted with the passport nr and the expiration date but if you have that you can extract all data from it even the picture and fingerprint23:53
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: don't you have the silly pay via nfc system in a few supermarkets over there?23:54
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Aggemy dream mobile device would include both 120-150khz, 13.56mhz and 433mhz rfid with full functions23:57
merlin1991then you'd copy all your id cards and leave them at home23:58
merlin1991untill you suddenly have no batter and are fucked :D23:58
Aggemerlin1991, we are just giting that in Sweden. (the banks do commercials about it but i havent seen it irl)23:58
Aggeyeah but you don't need to carry 10+ stupid cards and tags23:59
merlin1991my newest credit cards is "nfc enabled", the slogan is "pay up to 25€ without even using your pin"23:59
merlin1991yeah sure, nice now every drive by haxx0r in the tram can copy my card and do his shopping for free23:59

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