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| DocScrutinizer05 | R. J. 2013-11-02 19:00:38 150.00 EUR made it! | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | level-II reached | 20:12 |
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| Agge | after installing the flasher35 package on my gentoo system I have a program named flasher but not flasher-3.5 I asume that this is the same | 20:25 |
| kerio | probably, yeah | 20:26 |
| kolp | Agge: $ flasher-3.5 | 20:26 |
| kolp | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) | 20:26 |
| kerio | run it with no parameters | 20:26 |
| kerio | :D | 20:26 |
| kerio | if it says 2.5, it's 3.5 | 20:26 |
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| Agge | # flasher | 20:26 |
| Agge | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) | 20:26 |
| Agge | how do that work logically? | 20:27 |
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| kerio | nokia logic | 20:27 |
| kerio | top 3 logic | 20:27 |
| Agge | what is I actualy suposed to download form http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ ? | 20:30 |
| Agge | or should I do somthing else to be able to update my n900 to somthing useful? | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 20:33 |
| infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if that's even what you want to do | 20:33 |
| Agge | trying to folow that | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for updating you want to check | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 20:34 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 20:34 |
| Agge | thanks I had lost that tab somewhere | 20:34 |
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| Agge | do backupmenu exist in the program installer in the N900 or are I suposed to get it from the web page? | 20:43 |
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| kolp | Agge: Why don't you try? :) apt-get install backupmenu should work if you have extras-devel enabled | 20:50 |
| Agge | I found that I had extras-devel desabled it is updating the package list now | 20:51 |
| Agge | ofcorse I did try first | 20:51 |
| kolp | :) | 20:51 |
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| Agge | might be a good Idea to have the install guide mention extras-devel | 20:52 |
| Agge | I asume that I don't need to make updates of specific programs now if I am updating the whole system | 20:55 |
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| Agge | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.5/gsmdecode.py', which is also in package ussd-common | 21:02 |
| Agge | Errors were encountered while processing: | 21:02 |
| Agge | /var/cache/apt/archives/ussd4all_0.0.7-1_armel.deb anyone have any ideeas? | 21:02 |
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| Agge | trying to move /usr/lib/python2.5/gsmdecode.py to /usr/lib/python2.5/gsmdecode.py2 and it seams to work now | 21:14 |
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| Agge | looks like apt-get hangs after the 12c-tools warning | 21:31 |
| Agge | aha intresting apt-get over ssh did get it to output a GUI dialog on the phone | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ussd is completely obsolete | 21:36 |
| Agge | trying to install backupmenus and it is just giving me different errors | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's why you should use HAM to install certain things | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least one of the reasons | 21:37 |
| Agge | HAM? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is no debian system, when it comes to package management | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo package management is "slightly" different | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's still using dpkg and apt, but that's not comprehensive to handle the special quirks they build into the package management iat Nokia | 21:39 |
| Agge | HAM= the GUI package manager on the N900? | 21:40 |
| Agge | I just remember it as being a pain to use bocose it was always loading stuff | 21:40 |
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| Agge | DocScrutinizer05, Is HAM the standard gui package manager or somthing else? | 21:48 |
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| obiwlan_afk | Agge: i believe it stands for harmattan application manager and it's the standard manager, yes | 21:52 |
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| Agge | ok | 21:52 |
| Agge | looks like the backup menus app dont exist in it even with extra devel unless it is under some other name | 21:52 |
| Agge | anyone have any sugestions or could I skip that stepp? | 21:55 |
| kolp | obiwlan: s/harmattan/hildon/ ;) | 21:58 |
| kolp | Agge: What are the errors you get with apt-get? | 21:58 |
| mashina_ | it's 4 BH (Before Harmattan) | 21:59 |
| obiwlan | kolp: oh, you're right | 21:59 |
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| Agge | http://pastebin.com/jTNhyRp6 | 22:00 |
| Agge | maybe I should do a factory reset or somthing first? | 22:03 |
| Agge | kolp, ?? | 22:05 |
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| kolp | Agge: Well, it looks like backupmenu was installed correctly before | 22:10 |
| kolp | Those errors suggest that something else is wrong | 22:10 |
| Agge | I think that the mention of backupmenu is form the first time I tried to install it | 22:10 |
| Agge | any ideea what could be wrong | 22:12 |
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| Agge | Nokia-N900-51-1:~# dpkg -i backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb | 22:18 |
| Agge | (Reading database ... 28114 files and directories currently installed.) | 22:18 |
| Agge | Preparing to replace backupmenu 1.2.0-2 (using backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb) ... | 22:18 |
| Agge | Unpacking replacement backupmenu ... | 22:18 |
| Agge | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of backupmenu: | 22:18 |
| Agge | backupmenu depends on tar-gnu; however: | 22:18 |
| Agge | Package tar-gnu is not configured yet. | 22:18 |
| Agge | dpkg: error processing backupmenu (--install): | 22:18 |
| Agge | dependency problems - leaving unconfigured | 22:18 |
| Agge | Errors were encountered while processing: | 22:18 |
| Agge | backupmenu | 22:18 |
| Agge | anyone have any ideea? | 22:18 |
| NIN102 | " Package tar-gnu is not configured yet." | 22:23 |
| Agge | so how do I configur it? | 22:24 |
| NIN102 | I am actually not sure that's the way you should install it. | 22:25 |
| Agge | right now I am just trying all ways I can think about and see if I can find one that works | 22:26 |
| kolp | From the pastebin it looks like optification of those broken packages fails. You should have a look at the directories/files it tries to move and chack what's going wrong there | 22:26 |
| kolp | s/chack/check/ | 22:27 |
| infobot | kolp meant: From the pastebin it looks like optification of those broken packages fails. You should have a look at the directories/files it tries to move and check what's going wrong there | 22:27 |
| NIN102 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 22:27 |
| kolp | Maybe reinstall tar et al. | 22:27 |
| Agge | I honestly don't know whare to start with that | 22:27 |
| Agge | I got both tar-gnu and backupmenu installed now by using dpkg | 22:27 |
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| Agge | I could probibly fix the rest of the packages by installing them manualy one by one but that seams to much work on a system that I only need funktioning well eniogh to flash a newer frimware to it | 22:30 |
| kolp | Try to reinstall apt-get --reinstall install nano | 22:30 |
| NIN102 | "well eniogh to flash a newer frimware to it" since when does flashing require the OS to work? | 22:30 |
| kolp | You could just boot and try backupmenu then | 22:30 |
| Agge | since the goide tells you to install backupmenu | 22:31 |
| NIN102 | you don't need backupmenu to flash maemo. | 22:31 |
| kolp | Oh, that's what you want to do? | 22:31 |
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| kolp | Just flash, no backup restoring? | 22:32 |
| Agge | installing somthing that is still maintained and hopefully not as laggy as the nokia image i have now | 22:32 |
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| Agge | right now I am following the ~cssu guide but if that is wrong please till me | 22:34 |
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| NIN101 | There is only one maintained/daily usable OS for the N900, that's Maemo. If this is what you want to flash, I would carefully read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 22:38 |
| Agge | I did begin with that but it do not in any way specify what files I actualy should download | 22:39 |
| Agge | I don't understand the structure of this is the updated maemo and cssu simular things or should I install one and then the other? | 22:41 |
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| kolp | If you want to start from scratch you flash the latest nokia image first, then update to cssu from there | 22:41 |
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| Agge | ok so I should do that even if I have the latest nokia image installed right now? | 22:43 |
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| kolp | If your current install is working then there is no need to reflash, afaik | 22:45 |
| kolp | You should fix those apt-get errors, though | 22:46 |
| Agge | so reflashing it is then | 22:47 |
| Agge | what file should I actualy download from http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ ? | 22:47 |
| Agge | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin ? | 22:47 |
| kolp | The 'Latest' ones | 22:48 |
| kolp | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 22:48 |
| Agge | aha thanks that was what was unclear if I only should use one or if I should use 2 | 22:49 |
| kolp | By flashing the emmc one you will erase all content on your phone | 22:49 |
| kolp | *from | 22:49 |
| Agge | yeah I havent had anything of value on this phone the last 2 years | 22:50 |
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| Agge | so now I should run flasher RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 22:54 |
| Agge | and then flasher RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f ? | 22:54 |
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| kolp | sorry, afk | 23:02 |
| Agge | I have done the first command and got succses form it is the second one correct? the guide just say do this but dont give you how | 23:03 |
| Agge | kolp, ? | 23:05 |
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| Agge | kolp, DocScrutinizer05 somthing went wrong | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 23:19 |
| Agge | I am geting a purpul squer with some black sques in it | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm?? | 23:20 |
| kerio | you flashed vanilla after flashing combined | 23:21 |
| kerio | your optfs is fucked | 23:21 |
| kerio | flash combined again | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you haven't read whole page on | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 23:21 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:21 |
| Agge | I tried but the page is realy comfuslingly written | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why you need to read it completely | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WHO THE HECK WROTE SUCH SHIT TO THAT WIKIPAGE??? | 23:22 |
| Defiant | its a wiki :) | 23:23 |
| Agge | If it is about the warning I think it need to be | 23:23 |
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| Agge | thanks kerio it is installing the combined now | 23:25 |
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| Agge | kerio, should I reboot it now or is it any more steps to it? | 23:26 |
| Agge | DocScrutinizer05, seriusly you made the page protected becose of my edit? | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, I protected it because it hasn't seen any need for edits since >2 years | 23:30 |
| Agge | ok If you would alowe it I would like to clean it up or should I make a Updating_the_firmware_cleanup page for that so can you check if for errors befero it go live? | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to create a new page | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware/rev2 | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you'll create a LOT of confusion with such activity | 23:33 |
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| Agge | ok thanks. sorry about the warning edit but it felt a little iritating when I in my understanding had done everything correct ad it still dident work the way it was suposed to | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since... the page been reviewed by literally thousands of users and everybody had to admit there are no errors and no missing info in it | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PEBKAC | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on >>I in my understanding<< | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit it lacked a header telling to REAd THE WHOLE PAGE | 23:35 |
| Agge | if you say so but the info could be presented in a more logical manner | 23:35 |
| Agge | I am of the opinin that the "REAd THE WHOLE PAGE" EULA shouldent be needed it should be posibel to follow a guide without jumping around in it | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the logic of flashing isn't exactly simple, and evidently you didn't understand it yet | 23:36 |
| Agge | absolutely true | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to jump around. You read the whole page, and at very end you find >>the complete foolproof flashing procedure<< | 23:37 |
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| Agge | what section "Troubleshooting"? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here you are http://privatepaste.com/f3ceae295e | 23:38 |
| Agge | could you point out what line this refer to Start flasher with above mentioned command to flash (without -R, it's a useless convenience thing). It says "Suitable device not found... waiting" " | 23:41 |
| Agge | and if that is the best way why not have it as the standard way? | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | because a lot of experienced users argue that the safest way is not the fastest/cleanest/most-convenient way | 23:43 |
| Agge | thanks kerio I got it booting correctly now. | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but all the other methods are more prone to mess them up by unsolicited booting of device (-R) etc | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and because all this is in that one page, it's looking like it does | 23:45 |
| Agge | I would be happy with a 1. 2. 3. list that say flash this image then flash this image | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/f3ceae295e | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to understand WHICH images you WNAT to flash to accomplish what you want to do, you need to read the introduction on that page though | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually users do NOT want to flash VANILLA/eMMC image | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flashing is a complex stuff, it's not possible to explain it like 1. 2. 3. | 23:48 |
| Agge | then it might be good if it said that. would I actualy have been ok if I just flashed the rootfs on my old nokia image? | 23:48 |
| Agge | true that is why you have a troubleshooting setting | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since there are more than one puposes and more than one way to do flashing, depending on a number of conditions | 23:48 |
| Agge | section | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-02 19:33:14] <infobot> well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-02 19:33:41] <DocScrutinizer05> if that's even what you want to do | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see that last line? | 23:50 |
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| Agge | yeah and I did ask "[19:30] <Agge> or should I do somthing else to be able to update my n900 to somthing useful?" before | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah and I... i'm leaving now, since this is too silly | 23:52 |
| obiwlan | mh... i've got a very old cssu firmware. if i wanted to upgrade to the lastest, would i have to reflash? it's been a long time since i installed it. the neo900 news made be start to tinker with my device again :) | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obiwlan: no | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obiwlan: should update just fine | 23:52 |
| obiwlan | DocScrutinizer05: great | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obiwlan: *might* help to change your system clock to 2011 | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to mitigate effects of exoired nokia signature | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | expired even | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just in case it needs stuff from nokia repo | 23:56 |
| obiwlan | does anyone have a source for original spare parts? i installed a new touchscreen after the screen surface started to dissolve, but the screen i ordered from ebay looks like there's an oil film on it | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 23:57 |
| obiwlan | DocScrutinizer05: oh, ok .. i noticed some expired gpg keys | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, nokia signature | 23:58 |
| obiwlan | alright, thanks for the tip | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are abundance of sources for n900 digitizer, alas I haven't evaluated a single one of them | 23:59 |
| obiwlan | DocScrutinizer05: some claim to have original parts, but i'm quite sure mine isn't original | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possible | 23:59 |
| obiwlan | the n900 font on it is different | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there for sure are clones out there | 23:59 |
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