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sixwheeledbeastgood enough, how?00:01
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BCMManybody know how to read google + on microb?00:03
BCMMthe normal version has major page-wideness problems, and i can't seem to find a way to view a mobile-friendly version without making an account...00:04
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sixwheeledbeastdictatorships work ;)00:22
keriosixwheeledbeast: busybox-power's got wget00:23
sixwheeledbeastOh I see.00:27
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DocScrutinizer05R. J. 2013-11-02 19:00:38 150.00 EUR    made it!20:12
DocScrutinizer05level-II reached20:12
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Aggeafter installing the flasher35 package on my gentoo system I have a program named flasher but not flasher-3.5 I asume that this is the same20:25
kerioprobably, yeah20:26
kolpAgge: $ flasher-3.520:26
kolpflasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)20:26
keriorun it with no parameters20:26
kerioif it says 2.5, it's 3.520:26
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Agge # flasher20:26
Aggeflasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)20:26
Aggehow do that work logically?20:27
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kerionokia logic20:27
keriotop 3 logic20:27
Aggewhat is I actualy suposed to download form ?20:30
Aggeor should I do somthing else to be able to update my n900 to somthing useful?20:32
infobotwell, maemo-flashing is
DocScrutinizer05if that's even what you want to do20:33
Aggetrying to folow that20:33
DocScrutinizer05for updating you want to check20:33
infobotmethinks cssu is
Aggethanks I had lost that tab somewhere20:34
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Aggedo backupmenu exist in the program installer in the N900 or are I suposed to get it from the web page?20:43
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kolpAgge: Why don't you try? :) apt-get install backupmenu should work if you have extras-devel enabled20:50
AggeI found that I had extras-devel desabled it is updating the package list now20:51
Aggeofcorse I did try first20:51
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Aggemight be a good Idea to have the install guide mention extras-devel20:52
AggeI asume that I don't need to make updates of specific programs now if I am updating the whole system20:55
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Agge trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.5/', which is also in package ussd-common21:02
AggeErrors were encountered while processing:21:02
Agge /var/cache/apt/archives/ussd4all_0.0.7-1_armel.deb  anyone have any ideeas?21:02
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Aggetrying to move /usr/lib/python2.5/ to /usr/lib/python2.5/gsmdecode.py2 and it seams to work now21:14
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Aggelooks like apt-get hangs after the 12c-tools warning21:31
Aggeaha intresting apt-get over ssh did get it to output a GUI dialog on the phone21:33
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DocScrutinizer05ussd is completely obsolete21:36
Aggetrying to install backupmenus and it is just giving me different errors21:37
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's why you should use HAM to install certain things21:37
DocScrutinizer05at least one of the reasons21:37
DocScrutinizer05maemo is no debian system, when it comes to package management21:38
DocScrutinizer05maemo package management is "slightly" different21:38
DocScrutinizer05it's still using dpkg and apt, but that's not comprehensive to handle the special quirks they build into the package management iat Nokia21:39
AggeHAM= the GUI package manager on the N900?21:40
AggeI just remember it as being a pain to use bocose it was always loading stuff21:40
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AggeDocScrutinizer05, Is HAM the standard gui package manager or somthing else?21:48
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obiwlan_afkAgge: i believe it stands for harmattan application manager and it's the standard manager, yes21:52
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Aggelooks like the backup menus app dont exist in it even with extra devel unless it is under some other name21:52
Aggeanyone have any sugestions or could I skip that stepp?21:55
kolpobiwlan: s/harmattan/hildon/ ;)21:58
kolpAgge: What are the errors you get with apt-get?21:58
mashina_it's 4 BH (Before Harmattan)21:59
obiwlankolp: oh, you're right21:59
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Aggemaybe I should do a factory reset or somthing first?22:03
Aggekolp, ??22:05
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kolpAgge: Well, it looks like backupmenu was installed correctly before22:10
kolpThose errors suggest that something else is wrong22:10
AggeI think that the mention of backupmenu is form the first time I tried to install it22:10
Aggeany ideea what could be wrong22:12
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AggeNokia-N900-51-1:~# dpkg -i backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb22:18
Agge(Reading database ... 28114 files and directories currently installed.)22:18
AggePreparing to replace backupmenu 1.2.0-2 (using backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb) ...22:18
AggeUnpacking replacement backupmenu ...22:18
Aggedpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of backupmenu:22:18
Agge backupmenu depends on tar-gnu; however:22:18
Agge  Package tar-gnu is not configured yet.22:18
Aggedpkg: error processing backupmenu (--install):22:18
Agge dependency problems - leaving unconfigured22:18
AggeErrors were encountered while processing:22:18
Agge backupmenu22:18
Aggeanyone have any ideea?22:18
NIN102"  Package tar-gnu is not configured yet."22:23
Aggeso how do I configur it?22:24
NIN102I am actually not sure that's the way you should install it.22:25
Aggeright now I am just trying all ways I can think about and see if I can find one that works22:26
kolpFrom the pastebin it looks like optification of those broken packages fails. You should have a look at the directories/files it tries to move and chack what's going wrong there22:26
infobotkolp meant: From the pastebin it looks like optification of those broken packages fails. You should have a look at the directories/files it tries to move and check what's going wrong there22:27
kolpMaybe reinstall tar et al.22:27
AggeI honestly don't know whare to start with that22:27
AggeI got both tar-gnu and backupmenu installed now by using dpkg22:27
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AggeI could probibly fix the rest of the packages by installing them manualy one by one but that seams to much work on a system that I only need funktioning well eniogh to flash a newer frimware to it22:30
kolpTry to reinstall apt-get --reinstall install nano22:30
NIN102"well eniogh to flash a newer frimware to it" since when does flashing require the OS to work?22:30
kolpYou could just boot and try backupmenu then22:30
Aggesince the goide tells you to install backupmenu22:31
NIN102you don't need backupmenu to flash maemo.22:31
kolpOh, that's what you want to do?22:31
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kolpJust flash, no backup restoring?22:32
Aggeinstalling somthing that is still maintained and hopefully not as laggy as the nokia image i have now22:32
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Aggeright now I am following the ~cssu guide but if that is wrong please till me22:34
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NIN101There is only one maintained/daily usable OS for the N900, that's Maemo. If this is what you want to flash, I would carefully read
AggeI did begin with that but it do not in any way specify what files I actualy should download22:39
AggeI don't understand the structure of this is the updated maemo and cssu simular things or should I install one and then the other?22:41
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kolpIf you want to start from scratch you flash the latest nokia image first, then update to cssu from there22:41
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Aggeok so I should do that even if I have the latest nokia image installed right now?22:43
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kolpIf your current install is working then there is no need to reflash, afaik22:45
kolpYou should fix those apt-get errors, though22:46
Aggeso reflashing it is then22:47
Aggewhat file should I actualy download from ?22:47
AggeRX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin ?22:47
kolpThe 'Latest' ones22:48
kolpRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin22:48
Aggeaha thanks that was what was unclear if I only should use one or if I should use 222:49
kolpBy flashing the emmc one you will erase all content on your phone22:49
Aggeyeah I havent had anything of value on this phone the last 2 years22:50
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Aggeso now I should run  flasher RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f22:54
Aggeand then flasher RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f ?22:54
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kolpsorry, afk23:02
AggeI have done the first command and got succses form it is the second one correct? the guide just say do this but dont give you how23:03
Aggekolp, ?23:05
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Aggekolp, DocScrutinizer05 somthing went wrong23:19
AggeI am geting a purpul squer with some black sques in it23:20
kerioyou flashed vanilla after flashing combined23:21
kerioyour optfs is fucked23:21
kerioflash combined again23:21
DocScrutinizer05you haven't read whole page on23:21
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,
AggeI tried but the page is realy comfuslingly written23:22
DocScrutinizer05that's why you need to read it completely23:22
Defiantits a wiki :)23:23
AggeIf it is about the warning I think it need to be23:23
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Aggethanks kerio it is installing the combined now23:25
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Aggekerio, should I reboot it now or is it any more steps to it?23:26
AggeDocScrutinizer05, seriusly you made the page protected becose of my edit?23:29
DocScrutinizer05no, I protected it because it hasn't seen any need for edits since >2 years23:30
Aggeok If you would alowe it I would like to clean it up or should I make a Updating_the_firmware_cleanup page for that so can you check if for errors befero it go live?23:31
DocScrutinizer05you're free to create a new page23:32
DocScrutinizer05I suggest
DocScrutinizer05but you'll create a LOT of confusion with such activity23:33
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Aggeok thanks. sorry about the warning edit but it felt a little iritating when I in my understanding had done everything correct ad it still dident work the way it was suposed to23:33
DocScrutinizer05since... the page been reviewed by literally thousands of users and everybody had to admit there are no errors and no missing info in it23:33
DocScrutinizer05emphasis on >>I in my understanding<<23:34
DocScrutinizer05I admit it lacked a header telling to REAd THE WHOLE PAGE23:35
Aggeif you say so but the info could be presented in a more logical manner23:35
AggeI am of the opinin that the "REAd THE WHOLE PAGE" EULA shouldent be needed it should be posibel to follow a guide without jumping around in it23:35
DocScrutinizer05the logic of flashing isn't exactly simple, and evidently you didn't understand it yet23:36
Aggeabsolutely true23:36
DocScrutinizer05you don't need to jump around. You read the whole page, and at very end you find >>the complete foolproof flashing procedure<<23:37
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Aggewhat section "Troubleshooting"?23:38
DocScrutinizer05here you are
Aggecould you point out what line this refer to Start flasher with above mentioned command to flash (without -R, it's a useless convenience thing). It says "Suitable device not found... waiting" "23:41
Aggeand if that is the best way why not have it as the standard way?23:42
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DocScrutinizer05because a lot of experienced users argue that the safest way is not the fastest/cleanest/most-convenient way23:43
Aggethanks kerio I got it booting correctly now.23:44
DocScrutinizer05but all the other methods are more prone to mess them up by unsolicited booting of device (-R) etc23:44
DocScrutinizer05and because all this is in that one page, it's looking like it does23:45
AggeI would be happy with a 1. 2. 3. list that say flash this image then flash this image23:45
DocScrutinizer05to understand WHICH images you WNAT to flash to accomplish what you want to do, you need to read the introduction on that page though23:46
DocScrutinizer05usually users do NOT want to flash VANILLA/eMMC image23:47
DocScrutinizer05flashing is a complex stuff, it's not possible to explain it like 1. 2. 3.23:48
Aggethen it might be good if it said that. would I actualy have been ok if I just flashed the rootfs on my old nokia image?23:48
Aggetrue that is why you have a troubleshooting setting23:48
DocScrutinizer05since there are more than one puposes and more than one way to do flashing, depending on a number of conditions23:48
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-11-02 19:33:14] <infobot> well, maemo-flashing is
DocScrutinizer05[2013-11-02 19:33:41] <DocScrutinizer05> if that's even what you want to do23:50
DocScrutinizer05see that last line?23:50
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Aggeyeah and I did ask "[19:30] <Agge> or should I do somthing else to be able to update my n900 to somthing useful?" before23:51
DocScrutinizer05yeah and I... i'm leaving now, since this is too silly23:52
obiwlanmh... i've got a very old cssu firmware. if i wanted to upgrade to the lastest, would i have to reflash? it's been a long time since i installed it. the neo900 news made be start to tinker with my device again :)23:52
DocScrutinizer05obiwlan: no23:52
DocScrutinizer05obiwlan: should update just fine23:52
obiwlanDocScrutinizer05: great23:53
DocScrutinizer05obiwlan: *might* help to change your system clock to 201123:55
DocScrutinizer05to mitigate effects of exoired nokia signature23:56
DocScrutinizer05expired even23:56
DocScrutinizer05just in case it needs stuff from nokia repo23:56
obiwlandoes anyone have a source for original spare parts? i installed a new touchscreen after the screen surface started to dissolve, but the screen i ordered from ebay looks like there's an oil film on it23:57
obiwlanDocScrutinizer05: oh, ok .. i noticed some expired gpg keys23:57
DocScrutinizer05yeah, nokia signature23:58
obiwlanalright, thanks for the tip23:58
DocScrutinizer05there are abundance of sources for n900 digitizer, alas I haven't evaluated a single one of them23:59
obiwlanDocScrutinizer05: some claim to have original parts, but i'm quite sure mine isn't original23:59
obiwlanthe n900 font on it is different23:59
DocScrutinizer05there for sure are clones out there23:59

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