kolp | Ay, that was about the pixies... | 00:00 |
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kolp | Hey, I was just trying to suggest *something* instead of watching it die. If it's a b*llshit idea, fine with me | 00:01 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | please see the council rules which got installed by COMMUNITY REFERNDUM | 00:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's really more terse than your parking rules | 00:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and it worked since 4 years | 00:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | almost 5 | 00:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and one rule is that those rules can get changed by referendum only | 00:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which is a GOOD thing | 00:03 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | but for any referendum we also need a working voting infra, and right ATM we lack that, so we can't determine electroate and thus can't send out tokens and thus no elections will happen | 00:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | electorate* | 00:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | electorate defined as: all maemo community members with a garage(!) account older than 3 months, and a (correctly calculated) karma >=10 | 00:07 |
DocScrutinizer05 | we can determine garage accounts and their age. We CANNOT determine proper karma, due to tmo karma broken | 00:07 |
DocScrutinizer05 | council chair and tmo maintainer is shrugging it away | 00:08 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | we have one more week to fix that | 00:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if chem|st plans to calculate karma for 60k tmo users by hand | 00:12 |
kolp | When/how did karma calculation break? | 00:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | with migration#1 | 00:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 10 months ago | 00:15 |
kolp | I'd offer to look into it... But like I said before, I'm not a 'trusted community member'... | 00:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | prerequisites for mainainer status in techstaff are: trusted by ME | 00:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 00:20 |
kolp | Oh dear... | 00:20 |
kolp | ;) | 00:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'd like to keep this discussion public for a little longer, so other interested parties might have easy access to the info ... eventually you'll get invited into admin IRC channel where we manage accounts on the servers etc | 00:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen woody14619 | 00:23 |
infobot | woody14619 <~Woody@66-162-186-66.static.twtelecom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 28d 3h 29m 48s ago, saying: 'odd... Time to reboot. :)'. | 00:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | he looked into karma and how it works, some 4..5 months ago | 00:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | basically aiui some php script on www.maemo.org (aka midgard CMS) polls all karma from tmo and attaches it to user records in midgard or garage | 00:25 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | this script *should* get invoked by cron | 00:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I neither know the script nor its name | 00:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ask woody, warfare, xes, merlin1991, **chem|st**, GeneralAntilles(?), or even me and fatphil, about details | 00:29 |
kolp | Ok | 00:29 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | woody fixed the wiki karma | 00:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | he "promised" to fix tmo karma before we will need it on next elections | 00:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | alas he's abroad now afaik, and not available. And he was too busy to fix tmo karma during last 5 months | 00:40 |
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FatPhil | so is it just a case of sucking a whole lot of data from one server, and squirting it into another server? | 00:41 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | basically yes, and then pipe it thru a number of filters and into some midgard php function calls on destination server | 00:42 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | on tmo server there must be some (protected by htaccess?) webpage that provides all that info in one chunk, aiui | 00:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | on www server it will get piped thru midgard into the db (which is a mysql living on its own VM) | 00:44 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | all disclaimer "AFAIK" | 00:45 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | (ask...) freemangordon might also be able to help, he has some insight into the infra by now | 00:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's probably a tad more complicated procedure, but maybe more simple process: since tmo accounts need to get "linked" to garage accounts since the nicks may differ, I guess the (php?) script on www goes across all garage users, checks if a tmo account is linked, and simply fetches karma for that particular user and writes it to the user record in midgard (or garage) | 00:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | for this to work, no overly complex and special webpage on tmo is needed | 00:51 |
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kolp | Well, all that should be in place, mor or less, since it used to work before, didn't it? | 00:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:51 |
kolp | If it broke whil moving it might be as simple as a permissins prob or some wrong IP somewhere | 00:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's just it broke during migration#1, for whatever reason (changed IPs, somebody deactivated cronjob, whatever) | 00:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | tmo vBulletin seen a frsh install from scratch during its bery own migration | 00:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe some special page on tmo is missing as well | 00:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | s/bery/very/ | 00:54 |
kolp | Ok | 00:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st *should* be able to help. Or even Reggie | 00:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I'm out of info and ideas regarding that topic now | 00:55 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | I shared all that came to mind | 00:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and I'll not follow and control and push on this issue any more | 00:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | just available for questions, if any arise. Rest up to whom it may concern. I'm sick from it | 00:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I already declared that this time I will bail out from organization of election | 00:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I whooped the last 2 elections | 00:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's enough for one lifetime | 00:58 |
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LLckfan | I am looking to speed up my computer and get all the crude off of it. What channel do I need for that | 06:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | #ubuntu? | 06:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | *win7? | 06:22 |
Hurrian | #ssd | 06:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | #debian? | 06:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: you missed the idea to speed it up by deleting stuff. However futile | 06:23 |
Hurrian | too tired to optimize my system nowadays, threw everything on a 128GB SSD and it all 'just works' now. | 06:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | optimize my system... lemme think! maybe get rid of friggin polypaudio? | 06:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | avahid | 06:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | any damn tracker, however it's called (akonadi prolly, nowadays) | 06:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly with an i5 and a 250GB SSD and a 2TB HD I don't feel like I need much "optimization" either | 06:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/64cad1e071 ;-P | 06:30 |
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Hurrian | fwiw even a 32GB SSD to keep / on is way, way more than enough, just keep /home on a rust drive | 06:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:/ # df -h ~jr | 06:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 06:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/sdc3 867G 193G 673G 23% /home | 06:32 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:/ # df -h / | 06:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 06:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/sda2 79G 17G 59G 23% / | 06:33 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:/ # time du -xsh / | 06:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 16G / real 0m1.305s user 0m0.132s sys 0m0.633s | 06:36 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | the latter one is quite impressive, eh? ;-) | 06:37 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | btw I don't think you can find any good fast 32GB SSD nowadays | 06:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | prolly starts at 160 | 06:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I missed read | 06:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:/ # time dd of=/dev/null if=/ssd-aux/x bs=50M count=100 | 06:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 100+0 records in | 06:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 100+0 records out | 06:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 5242880000 bytes (5.2 GB) copied, 12.6627 s, 414 MB/s | 06:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | funny how write is faster than read | 06:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | might have one GB of write buffer | 06:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | how much NAND would you want on Neo900? | 06:50 |
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Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: ideally? 1x32/64GB PCIe SSD | 06:59 |
Hurrian | realistically? probably 32GB of SATA MicroSSD | 07:01 |
Hurrian | if this could be done by interleaving 2x16GB chips, better. | 07:01 |
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Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: what display connector is Neo900 planning to use, by the way? | 07:04 |
Hurrian | same as on N900 or is the design free to use something new? | 07:05 |
jonwil | Since the intent is to use the same display then one would be using the same display connector I would have thought | 07:07 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I asked for NAND, not for eMMC | 07:12 |
jonwil | how much does the N900 have? | 07:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | err 256MB, no? | 07:13 |
Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: ah, nand, as in what comes with a OneNAND? | 07:13 |
Hurrian | well, guess we could get the cheapest stuff you can get your hands on | 07:13 |
Hurrian | and dump fremantle into the emmc/sd/usb otg/etc | 07:14 |
Hurrian | RAM would be the big elephant in the room - put savings from lower NAND storage to buy a OneNAND unit with more memory | 07:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | we can't get OneNAND with >512MB RAM | 07:16 |
jonwil | So 512MB is the most the Neo900 can possibly have? | 07:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess we'll use a 1GB of RAM-only PoP chip, and place a discrete NAND chip next to SoC | 07:16 |
jonwil | oh ok | 07:16 |
jonwil | sounds good | 07:16 |
Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: does the planned SoC support DDR3/DDR3L memory? | 07:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | thus I asked "how much NAND would you consider OK?" | 07:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 07:17 |
Hurrian | aww | 07:17 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | well, I dunno if it *works* with DDr3, but it *supports* LPDDR1 only | 07:18 |
Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: 32MB sounds healthy for NAND | 07:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | meh, nope | 07:19 |
Hurrian | kernel/bootloader + tiny command line system? | 07:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's a regression from N900 | 07:19 |
Hurrian | 512MB (N9/50 size)? | 07:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sounds better | 07:21 |
x29a | too bad that adding more RAM is so hard :/ 2GB like the blackberry q10 would be awesome | 07:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | omap37xx has an addr space for RAM of only 1GB | 07:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | by no means we can get any higher than that | 07:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | unless we go for omap5 | 07:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which we prolly won't do | 07:23 |
jonwil | and going for omap5 would defeat the purpose of the Neo900 | 07:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 07:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | largely | 07:23 |
jonwil | the purpose is to be backwards compatible with the N900 as much as possible | 07:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise I wouldn't even stabd up in the morning to work on this | 07:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | stand up* | 07:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | since when we lose fremantle compatibility, we are competing with every other crappy android/whatever device out there | 07:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and *I* for one would refuse to spend _any_ money on such a device, when it doesn't come with a promise of a proper fremantle | 07:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | porting debian could've done on shamgung galaxy9 since years | 07:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle binary compatibility is the single unique selling point of this platform | 07:28 |
jonwil | I wont consider Neo900 "done" until the stock Fremantle dialer app and messaging app function 100% on Neo900. | 07:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 07:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | as well as any other app fresh from original extras repo | 07:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | aka "HAM working as well" | 07:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 07:29 |
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jonwil | ok, so regarding Neo900 audio, do we know if we can even get the TLV320AIC34 (same audio chip as N900) for use in Neo900? | 07:34 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | Nikolaus is still pretty reluctant, but I'll convince him since we need that mixer/codec. Or did I get your question wrong? | 07:44 |
jonwil | what I meant is, is there a supplier that we could buy it from | 07:45 |
jonwil | I know for example that we wont be able to get the WL12xx wifi chip because we are too small | 07:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure, check digikey: ~12EUR | 07:45 |
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jonwil | ok, thats good to know | 07:46 |
jonwil | Seems like the hardest chips to get hold of tend to be wireless chips (cellular, bluetooth, WiFi etc) | 07:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and 1GB PoP | 07:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | in the end we might not be able to source anything better than 512/512 | 07:48 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | compatibility of 156p PoP 1GB RAM not yet checked | 07:48 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | unless we find the magic supplier of N9 spare parts ;-) | 07:49 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 08:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# du -hs /opt | 08:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 575M /opt | 08:10 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: Nikolaus lists WL1271-TiWi as option | 08:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ( "LS Research" ?) | 08:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | WL1271-typeTN would look beeter though ( "Murata" ) | 08:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | better even | 08:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | BT4.0BLR | 08:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | BLE, dang | 08:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | TiWi has just BT2.1EDR | 08:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, but it says "software upgrade to BLE" | 08:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | UGH typeTN is HUUUGE | 08:37 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, actually Nikolaus says "TiWi5 like in pandaboard" - don't see how that relates to twl1271-TiWi | 08:39 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | we could use W2CBW0015 instead of W2CBW003, comes with b/g/n and BT3.0, significantly smaller than 003 (9.5*9.5*1.3 instead 12*12*1.5), based on 8787 | 08:41 |
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders: 802.11bgn+BT3.0 = 9.5*9.5*1.3mm; LTE modem: 30*37*2.1mm | 08:54 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | AAAH TiWi5: http://www.lsr.com/wireless-products/tiwi5 | 08:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nice | 08:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | k, 13*18*1.9 | 09:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | a(!)bgn,2.1EDR/4.0BLE | 09:02 |
* DocScrutinizer05 ifdly wonders how the 2.4GHz WiFi antenna will perform on 5GHz | 09:10 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | 5.8(!)GHz | 09:10 |
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jonwil | seems like getting a better WiFi chip than the GTA04 isn't out of the question then | 09:38 |
jonwil | better WiFi and bluetooth | 09:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 09:41 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | real hard sourcing is modem module | 09:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the Option with 2.1mm is already most flat module you can find | 09:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and it's still 0.6mm too high | 09:49 |
jonwil | Even finding Option modem would have been nearly impossible if it wasn't for that one shop | 09:49 |
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Timmy | how can I access stored SMSes in SIM card ? | 10:12 |
Pali | on n900? no normal way | 10:14 |
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Timmy | yes, on n900. then what is the difficult method? | 10:14 |
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Pali | RE isi/phonet library | 10:15 |
Pali | I do not know about any way to access it now | 10:16 |
Timmy | well, I'm going to find my Nokia 3310 | 10:17 |
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jonwil | I dont know if the cellmo even supports accessing SMS on the SIM | 10:26 |
jonwil | Oh wait it does | 10:26 |
jonwil | or appears to | 10:26 |
jonwil | com.nokia.csd.SMS.SIM exists | 10:26 |
jonwil | Let me grep the codebase and see if anyone actually uses it | 10:27 |
jonwil | grep the filesystem I mean | 10:27 |
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Pali | jonwil: maybe creating program for access sim sms could be usefull! | 10:27 |
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jonwil | maybe | 10:29 |
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jonwil | ok so yes it looks like the cellular services daemon does support reading SIM SMS | 10:41 |
jonwil | but nothing else on the system uses that functionalty | 10:41 |
jonwil | And I dont know how to decode the SMSs as returned by the relavent dbus call | 10:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | why would any | 10:41 |
FatPhil | Binary noise? | 10:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: check smscb | 10:42 |
FatPhil | jonwil pastebin a few, see if any patterns drop out. | 10:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/smscb.py | 10:42 |
jonwil | Maybe its a standard SMS PDU | 10:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | there won't be any patterns, it's 7/8 | 10:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it is | 10:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | at least afaik | 10:43 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | there's a standard SMS "codec" on ~phonecontrol | 10:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 10:48 |
infobot | somebody said phonecontrol was http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 10:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | modem can buffer SMS locally, store them to SIM, or directly and synchronously deliver them to APE | 10:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | theoretically | 10:50 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | and - also theoretically - you can read the local buffer and the SIM SMS storage | 10:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and I guess that's exactly what CSD does. All three of them | 10:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | probably from SIM it will read only SMS marked as "unread" | 10:51 |
jonwil | CSD has specific dbus calls for SIM SMS | 10:54 |
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jonwil | and I dont think it feeds SIM SMSs to anything else in the AP stack, just regular incoming SMSs | 10:54 |
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jonwil | i.e. the only way to read SIM SMSs is by calling manually com.nokia.csd.sms.sim | 10:55 |
FatPhil | DocScrutinizer05: that was my reasoning: packed 7-bits is simple to decide | 10:57 |
FatPhil | decode, even | 10:57 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | 3gpp AT command lists give some inspiration how a modem *might* handle that stuff | 11:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=548948&postcount=52 | 11:34 |
jonwil | I bet if I wanted to I could probably write something and use some code from ofono to decode the SMS (same as I did to decode the cell broadcast SMSs) | 11:40 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: SMs from modem are always same encoding, no matter if realtime or read from SIM | 11:52 |
jonwil | yeah | 11:52 |
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joshgillies | hey Pali is 0xffff able to flash emmc yet? | 12:36 |
joshgillies | noticed some activity in on the repo | 12:36 |
Pali | no, 0xFFFF has no eMMC support | 12:36 |
joshgillies | seems to be progressing nicely | 12:36 |
joshgillies | good to know, thanks for the info :) | 12:38 |
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jonwil | Still getting nowhere with pulseaudio stuff | 16:06 |
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jonwil | I still cant figure out what tells pulseaudio-nokia-voice "hey, feed this audio through the cellular audio pathway and libcmtspeech" | 16:14 |
jonwil | I also cant figure out just what processing is applied to VoIP (or to cellular) audio and whether we will need that same processing on the Neo900 or not | 16:17 |
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DrCode | hi all | 17:13 |
DrCode | for some resone cssu crashed in install, I will need to reflush meamo or Is it possible to reinstall it? | 17:14 |
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Defiant | uhm..this is bad | 17:24 |
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Defiant | What is wrong when my n900 does not charge from AC-10E anymore? Tried a new charger => same problem. It still charges from USB | 17:25 |
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FatPhil | DrCode: I would hope that the install is just a sequence of apt commands, so should be relatively stateless, and capable of being rerun. Emphasis on "hope". | 17:28 |
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DrCode | hi faari-ddr | 17:39 |
DrCode | hi FatPhil | 17:40 |
DrCode | I will reflaush it again | 17:40 |
DrCode | I am waitting till my battery recharge | 17:41 |
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Defiant | uhm does nokia still repair n900s? | 18:13 |
wmarone | unlikely | 18:13 |
Defiant | damn | 18:13 |
wmarone | since they're probably all out of warranty by now | 18:13 |
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Defiant | looks like I have to try fixing the usb myself then? :( | 18:19 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | I guess in 35 min there's another council meeting? I hope this time all council members ahve a chance to join in, we got urgent need to discuss and coordinate elections | 20:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: sixwheeledbeast: chem|st: merlin1991: qwazix: ^^^ | 20:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen woody14619 | 20:27 |
infobot | woody14619 <~Woody@66-162-186-66.static.twtelecom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 28d 23h 34m 33s ago, saying: 'odd... Time to reboot. :)'. | 20:28 |
sixwheeledbeast | FYI on holiday for a week starting now, lift just arrived. TTFN o/ Laters, DocScritinizer05 | 20:28 |
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qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, present! | 20:31 |
Win7Mac | present! | 20:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | good | 20:49 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: kolp: FatPhil: freemangordon: we'll need you there too, since I hope for discussion of karma as a mandatory prerequisite for elections | 20:51 |
kolp | I'm (t)here, but can only pay attention tothe chat with half an eye | 20:52 |
sono | are processes suspended when switching tasks? | 20:53 |
FatPhil | DocScrutinizer05: meeting where? | 20:55 |
kolp | sono: In maemo? No. | 20:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | #maemo-meeting | 20:55 |
FatPhil | heaven forfend! | 20:55 |
sono | must have been a freak incident | 20:56 |
sono | i am downloading the debian image and switched to a second running xterm | 20:56 |
sono | and when i switched back, the download was in a stall | 20:56 |
sono | a nice device for its time | 21:00 |
* sono never owned one before | 21:00 | |
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sono | i hope to make it my primary phone, perhaps | 21:01 |
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sono | sorry, i am talking about an n900 of course. | 21:03 |
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DrCode | hi all | 21:09 |
DrCode | I try to flash again | 21:09 |
DrCode | n.m | 21:10 |
DrCode | It worked | 21:10 |
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DrCode | hi all | 21:47 |
DrCode | I have strange problem in n900 | 21:48 |
DrCode | when I am using 3g data, I can ping to wan address, but it can't resolve names | 21:48 |
DrCode | any idea? | 21:48 |
Wizzup | dns not working? | 21:48 |
DrCode | I tryid to had goole dns , nameserver 8.8.8.8 | 21:49 |
DrCode | and it dosn';t work | 21:49 |
DrCode | put ping work ok | 21:49 |
DrCode | yes | 21:49 |
DrCode | like somthing blocking udp port 53 | 21:49 |
DrCode | Wizzup, any idea? | 21:50 |
Wizzup | not really, beyond no name server being set | 21:51 |
DrCode | ok | 21:51 |
DrCode | I will check it again | 21:51 |
DrCode | I use those flash: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 21:52 |
DrCode | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 21:52 |
DrCode | is it ok? | 21:52 |
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sono | hmm it appears that xcb has an endianness bug resulting in a failed assertion at xcb_io.c:249 | 23:48 |
* sono doesn't have a build toolchain up yet | 23:49 | |
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Pali | endianess bug?? | 23:59 |
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