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emHello everyone03:34
emis anyone here?03:35
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.03:44
psycho_oreosLooks like I've been beat. :)03:46
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woddyhello people04:18
woddy!seen pupnik04:18
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woddy~seen pupnik04:19
infobotpupnik <> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 739d 1h 28m 27s ago, saying: 'tegra chipset?'.04:19
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DrCodehi all10:56
DrCodehow can I check what maemo ver I have10:56
DrCodehow can I had ext-test , ext-dev from app manager or console?10:56
psycho_oreosMaemo version: Settings > About product (If you have CSSU the version can be checked via About Community SSU). No idea what you meant by ext-test, ext-dev.10:59
psycho_oreos~seen estel10:59
infoboti haven't seen 'estel', psycho_oreos10:59
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DocScrutinizer05extras-test extras-devel but what's "how can I had"?11:08
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DocScrutinizer05~seen estel_11:11
infobotestel_ <~Estel@Maemo/community/contributor/Estel-> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 136d 10h 50m 16s ago, saying: 'sixwheeledbeast, thanks it is it. Pali, thanks, this source works too, I wasn't able to find it (it's hidden ins earch engines more than soviet guerilla in US)'.11:11
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psycho_oreosThanks DocScrutinizer05, I bet he meant "how can I add".11:15
psycho_oreosIn any case the info is clearly printed on the wiki for those two repositories.11:16
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psycho_oreosI was looking at this thread: For quite sometime I've just been lurking on it and seeing it's progress unfolding. Seems like a few prototype cases are now out for it.11:18
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psycho_oreoso.O welcome back. Did you get my responses?11:20
DocScrutinizer052 lines11:20
psycho_oreosI was looking at this thread: For quite sometime I've just been lurking on it and seeing it's progress unfolding. Seems like a few prototype cases are now out for it.11:20
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* psycho_oreos contemplates on probably start asking estel_ directly (through forum) on how he plans to add those connectors for RF, but otherwise the project does look very intriguing.11:23
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psycho_oreosAlso whilst trying to look for a donate button to estel_, I've just stumbled upon this: No doubt you probably won't be interested in this (I wouldn't hold much hopes either considering right now it's only a prototype work). Though it may intrigue me more if it properly materialises as a proper add-on.11:26
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cityLights DocScrutinizer05 , are you planing to come to FOSDEM?11:28
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DocScrutinizer05nobody "invited" me yet11:29
DocScrutinizer05and I generally hate fairs11:29
cityLightsis anyone still using pulse audio ?11:29
DocScrutinizer05so, no good reason yet to even ponder11:29
DocScrutinizer05wut? lol11:29
cityLightsseems the updates there stopped11:29
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psycho_oreosFor maemo? or in general (for pulseaudio).11:30
DocScrutinizer05Poettering got us all on this evil drug, now he's killing us with not delivering anymore?11:30
cityLightsfor maemo11:30
psycho_oreosHeh, I guess it's probably a sign of declining interests (maybe) on old product.11:31
DocScrutinizer05cityLights: I never thought maemo polypaudio could get any updates, due to obsolete ABI and the closed blobs11:31
psycho_oreosI too personally loathe pulseaudio I don't even setup my linux boxens with pulseaudio. Though because maemo has pulseaudio by default and forces one to use pulseaudio, I guess I'm forced to keep tabs on pulseaudio in that regard.11:32
DocScrutinizer05I heard nevertheless that pali (or FMG) did some PA update for  CSSU :-o11:32
psycho_oreosYeah they did, a few patches and a minor issue which was later resolved.11:33
cityLightsI was promissed to be able to play musing from maemo to the home stereo over upnp11:33
cityLightsnever so how...11:33
DocScrutinizer05I never wrapped my mind around it, just thought I'd prefer to not have it on my device11:33
PaliI will try to fix PA network support and that famous CSSU pa bug...11:33
psycho_oreosI think I managed to do it once via ushare (linux).11:33
PaliBut now I do not have here maemo env...11:33
Paliyou need to wait...11:33
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PaliPA has good network support, but some fucking Nokia developer decided to change PA api11:34
psycho_oreoso.O another CSSU pa bug? not aware of that one. Though the previous one (in regards to ringtones being reverted back to default nokia tone) I thought was fixed. You basically removed backwards compatibility which worked perfectly (imo).11:34
Paliso it is compatible only with PA in n90011:35
Palicssu bug is about that ringtones...11:35
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: that doesn't sound like any PA bug11:35
DocScrutinizer05PA is not involved in selecting ringtone11:35
Palithere is bug :-)11:36
DocScrutinizer05only in playback of whatever is in ~user/$.ringtonecache11:36
psycho_oreosThe same bug :/ pretty sure I've mentioned that it worked in my case. I sort of doubted the bug would reappear. At least not when I tried ringing my device numerous times.11:36
Palifor some reasons after updating PA ringtone not working11:36
Paliand only on some n900s11:36
Paliand I was not able to reproduce it, but lot of TMO users yes11:36
Paliwe bisected which change broking it11:37
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, yeah it is a bug. I mean it seems to be fixed by removing compatibility (in my case it did).11:37
Palibut is is not a fix...11:37
Paliand is not in cssu repo or git11:37
psycho_oreosWhich is interesting, because after v5 with compatibility removed it worked flawlessly in my case.11:37
DocScrutinizer05touching PA seems a poor idea11:38
Paliit should be fixed correctly, not adding another nokia hacks11:38
PaliPA is fully backward compatible on network11:38
Palibut Nokia introduced something to network protocol which broke all network support11:39
psycho_oreosA few owners on tmo were asking what was with PA and their ringtones/alarm defaulting to that old standard nokia ringtone.11:39
psycho_oreosEven if it wasn't PA's fault, there was I guess something that broke it.11:40
Paliwhat we can do is to announce that our PA is older version on network11:40
DocScrutinizer05seems pretty unrelated11:40
Paliand do not use funny nokia hacks11:40
jonwilif it wasn't for pulseaudio-nokia this whole pulseaudio mess would go away...11:41
DocScrutinizer05"funny nokia hacks" are stuff like echo cancellation and audio enhancement and xprot11:41
Palifunny nokia *network* hacks are only chaning PA API on network11:41
DocScrutinizer05and aiui we can't touch PA without breaking ABI compatibility for those plugins11:42
Paliwe can touch network part via TCP11:42
Palibecause this is not used on maemo11:42
Palimaemo apps using only connection via named unix socket11:42
Paliand tcp/udp network server is not started by default11:43
jonwilyeah the answer then is to undo Nokia's proprietary modifications to the network protocols and go back to stock Pulseaudio networking :)11:43
Paliso it is really not used11:43
Palijonwil: not easy, because tcp/udp and socket connections shares code11:43
Palisource code11:43
PaliI already did that and it broke something (e.g. no ringtones)11:44
jonwilAny idea what the pasr package is for?11:44
PaliI need to add if(using_tcp) downgrade_protocol(); else use_nokia_code();11:45
Palido not remember11:45
DocScrutinizer05that's why I feel reluctant to get PA touched on my daily phone when considering that audio is a CORE function of phones11:45
Paliit has something with pulseaudio11:45
Palidocscrutinizer05: but for cssu-devel it is ok11:45
DocScrutinizer05for cssu-devel everything's OK11:46
Palihere we can test what it broke or if it working...11:46
DocScrutinizer05CSSU-devel basically is meant to provide all the bugs that we don't want to see anywhere else, so devels can tackle them11:46
DocScrutinizer05so cssu-devel is actually what you NEVER want to use as normal user11:47
psycho_oreos <--- that was probably close to the beginning of people reporting issues with default nokia ringtones and it being a possible bug in PA.11:47
psycho_oreosAlthough I think some users had to enable CSSU-Devel to get updated ca-certificates or something once.11:48
DocScrutinizer05I don't get it how PA could possibly change ringtone11:48
PaliI think I have one idea:11:50
Palidefault ringtone has format which is playable by everything also without nokia PA modules11:50
Paliuser selected ringtone has format which cause that nokia pa module will redirect sound to module itself and process it11:51
DocScrutinizer05aiui PA plays files from /home/user/.local/share/sounds/*.wav for ringtone. No way it CHANGES those11:51
psycho_oreosIn other words we could all try to convert and use the same format as that default nokia ringtone?11:51
Paliand when nokia module not working (because of broken api) it tell that file is not playable11:51
Paliand ringtone daemon switch to default11:51
DocScrutinizer05there's NO other format than .wav supposed to be in /home/user/.local/share/sounds11:52
Paliand we know that there are some nokia music pa modules...11:52
DocScrutinizer05IOW your ringtone ALWAYS is a *.wav11:53
PaliI think problem is in nokia modules which cause that some files are processed via module and some not11:53
psycho_oreosWell no I meant that for affected users/owners to convert their currently used ringtone (not sure how it would work with people whom have multiple ringtones for various contacts or grouped contacts) into .wav format so that way there would be no issues with converting, etc.11:53
Paliand it could depends on format or other statictis on file...11:53
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: "select ringtone" already does this converting11:54
DocScrutinizer05it always did11:54
Paliand if default ringtone is working it means that somehow nokia pa modules are not used11:54
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /home/user/.local/share/sounds11:54
PaliI do not have other idea11:54
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, true but there's almost always delays with conversion on the go and maybe it may have somehow messed with PA or whatever forcing "select ringtone" to go default nokia tune.11:55
DocScrutinizer05what the heck "on the go"??11:56
Palior problem can be that profiled daemon (which playing sounds) has some very bad PA api usage and when is not started against compiled PA version it will not work11:56
Palican somebody try to compile PA, install it in scratchbox and then compile profiled?11:56
DocScrutinizer05the whole idea is that convertion to .wav is done when you *select* ringtone, not when you *play* it11:56
Paliand install both to maemo:11:56
psycho_oreosUnless if the user selects the ringtone, the "select ringtone" would have already converted one's personal choice of ringtone into .wav format thereby eliminating the need to convert that selected music or whatever as a ringtone when there's an incoming call.11:57
Paliwith this we can chech if problem is really in PA or in profiled11:57
DocScrutinizer05please first wrap your head around how ringtone playback works before messing with PA11:57
Paliringtone is played byt profiled11:57
Palimaybe by canberra library?11:58
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: that's exactly how it works11:58
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DocScrutinizer05when you "select as ringtone" any $sounfile.ext, then the very same moment maemo converts it to /home/user/.local/share/sounds/${soundfile.ext}.wav11:59
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, I wasn't sure. When my N900 has been kept on for sometime and there's an incoming call with personalised ringtone. There would be a delay after the screen starts to show there's an incoming call, and usually the vibrator (which I have enabled) would always buzz first.12:00
DocScrutinizer05personalized ringtones not supported by stock maemo12:00
DocScrutinizer05barisione took care about that by doing some magic for swapping files in /home/user/.local/share/sounds12:00
DocScrutinizer05very risky stuff12:01
psycho_oreosAlthough right now I don't think my N900 would be suffering from the same issue with defaulting to stock ringtone. It used to but not anymore, I've done quite a thorough testing when PA v5 with no compatibility was out. It constantly played my selected ringtone.12:01
DocScrutinizer05since those changes need to get reverted *always*, even when your call gets aborted hard by battery-low system shutdown12:02
psycho_oreosSorry I meant personalised ringtones as for whenever there's an incoming call regardless of whom it's from.12:02
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psycho_oreos*shrugs*. If it's not an issue with PA, then I guess it's now somehow a "magic" fix? :)12:04
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psycho_oreosLike I said, in my case when I tried using PA v5 with no compatibility, the issues that I had prior to the PA v5 with no compatibility seems to have vanished. I was using the exact same ringtone as before.12:05
DocScrutinizer05I don't see *any* way how PA could decide to not play /home/user/.local/share/sounds/daf-der_mussolini.mp3.wav  but rather   /home/user/.local/share/sounds/NokiaTune.aac.wav12:05
psycho_oreosPali have sort of briefly discussed that above, but the information that was mentioned is somewhat beyond my knowledge.12:06
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DocScrutinizer05NB both are in ~user/ aka /home/ !12:07
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Palisee what I wrote12:08
DocScrutinizer05but PA has NFC about either of both files, PA doesn't know what's /home/user/.local/share/sounds/NokiaTune.aac.wav12:08
Paliprofiled try to play sound file A via PA, but PA decide to use nokia module for processing12:09
Paliloading nokia module failed12:09
DocScrutinizer05I see what you wrote and I don't see how that makes PA revert to default ringtone12:09
Paliand playing file A failed12:09
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Palithen profiled try to play default file12:09
Paliand PA decide to not use nokia processing module12:09
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DocScrutinizer05yes, that's what profiled probably does12:10
Paliand this will work...12:10
DocScrutinizer05PA doesn't decide *anything*12:10
DocScrutinizer05there's no "nokia processing module"12:10
DocScrutinizer05there's probably just a hard compiled-in default in profiled (if that's actually the system that plays ringtone) to /home/user/.local/share/sounds/NokiaTune.aac.wav, a file that's supposed to be ALWAYS there12:11
DocScrutinizer05so if PA fails to playback whatever profiled asks PA to playback, profiled asks PA to playback /home/user/.local/share/sounds/NokiaTune.aac.wav instead12:12
Palithere is nokia PA music module12:13
Paliwhich doing some processing on music files12:13
DocScrutinizer05but generally profiled NEVER should ask PA to play any ringtone that's not in /home/user/.local/share/sounds/*.WAV12:13
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Palibut we do not know when that music hook is called12:14
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DocScrutinizer05when your /home/ partition is not mounted or whatever, then ringtone playback will probably fail, or fallback to some emergency tome playback of some file form rootfs12:16
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: when your /home/ partition is not mounted or whatever, then ringtone playback will probably fail, or fallback to some emergency tone playback of some file form rootfs12:16
DocScrutinizer05that emergency fallback ringtone, if existing at all, is Nokia Tune for sure12:17
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# locate NokiaTune12:18
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DocScrutinizer05in this case PA _might_ actially "decide" to playback an .aac ringtone12:19
DocScrutinizer05since PA picks plugins according to filetype of source12:19
DocScrutinizer05for .aac this may fail12:20
DocScrutinizer05for ringtones12:20
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DocScrutinizer05if somebody messed up PA config, regarding placement of plugins for example. Figue: /home not mounted -> /opt not mounted -> PA aAC plugin not available12:21
DocScrutinizer05only if some fool decided to optify PA plugins12:21
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DocScrutinizer05however the decision to playback /usr/share/sounds/NokiaTune.aac is done by profiled12:24
psycho_oreosI'm grabbing Maemo Ubuntu Lucid Desktop virtual SDK image but I've noticed there was an issue. Who maintains: ?12:24
DocScrutinizer05the decision to fail on doing this is done ba PA when it can't access AAC plugin12:25
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: basically me12:25
Paliin that SDK image is bug!!!!12:26
DocScrutinizer05what issue?12:26
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, <-- that seems to give me corrupted content error.12:26
Paliit cause that all deb packages are compiled with thumb212:27
Palilook at ML archive how to fix that before using scratchbox sdk!!!12:27
DocScrutinizer05Pali: DAMN! :-S12:27
psycho_oreosOh yeah I'm running Firefox 24.012:27
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psycho_oreosOh crap :/12:27
Palifix is simple...12:28
* psycho_oreos now hunts in ML archive.12:28
psycho_oreosThanks for the heads up!12:28
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: Pali: "we" didn't touch that image since ~3 years12:28
DocScrutinizer05so any problems or content corruption are either legacy or transient12:29
DocScrutinizer05or a problem at your end12:29
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, yeah I'm well aware the image would be ancient. Though I had an issue trying to download that file, though on it works.12:30
DocScrutinizer05on skeiron it doesn't have that IMEI protection12:30
DocScrutinizer05and no CDS12:30
DocScrutinizer05the akamai servers sometimes have corrupted cache12:31
DocScrutinizer05some of them12:31
psycho_oreosWell yeah that too, but besides that. :) (in fact IMEI was easily circumvented with the available photos of N900 scattered on the web).12:31
psycho_oreosHmm yeah that reminds me.. grrr12:31
DocScrutinizer05some browsers blow chunks with "content disposition"12:31
psycho_oreos~lart akamai servers12:31
* infobot whips out a shotgun, trudges over to akamai servers, and goes postal12:31
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psycho_oreosI'm gonna grab it from skeiron for now, looking into that thumb2 errata. There's two bugfixes I guess which may need to be compiled along with any packages to be made with scratchbox VM12:32
DocScrutinizer05seems recent firefox again introduced that "protection" that causes download of stuff from akamai to fail with "double content disposition" or whatever12:33
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psycho_oreosI recall having to run through that entire process with you awhile ago. Simply using specified akamai's mirror (via DNS or whatever it was) it worked. I'm not going to bother fixing that up for getting just one file. lol12:34
psycho_oreosI'll need to also keep a mental note of that, bloody akamai servers.12:35
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DocScrutinizer05could you however please do a `host -a`|pastebinit ?12:35
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DocScrutinizer05host | pastebinit12:37
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psycho_oreosI did host -a, oh well.12:39
DocScrutinizer05please without -a12:39
psycho_oreosNo worries. I bet that was the same host that caused the exact same issue but with another file or whatever last time round.12:40
DocScrutinizer05quite possible12:41
DocScrutinizer05nobody is servicing those akamai servers anymore12:41
DocScrutinizer05they are "orphaned"12:41
DocScrutinizer05eventually they will all end like wirelessmodemapi.com12:41
psycho_oreos*shakes head* The irony is that someone still has to pay for those services.12:42
psycho_oreosHost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) <--- I guess that site is dead now.12:43
psycho_oreos.. or maybe still running but not using that domain name.. just only in IP form.12:43
DocScrutinizer05the DNS is dead now, the IP/box still 'online' but zombified12:43
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly12:44
DocScrutinizer05so 'somebody' still paying for it12:44
DocScrutinizer05despite it has no DNS anymore, and not answering to connects12:44
psycho_oreosIt'll also be interesting to see akamai will work based on IP addresses. There's no way to view the site in "file mode" and it works transparently.12:45
DocScrutinizer05since that 'somebody' now sits in Redmond aiui, I don't really care at all12:45
psycho_oreos*nod* in either case one can search up through wayback machine to see what the site was like I suppose.12:46
DocScrutinizer05alas it was a site with logon12:46
DocScrutinizer05so wayback engine only displays the logon screen12:46
DocScrutinizer05if anything at all12:46
DocScrutinizer05and dang that registartion process been a PITA, done manually by some Nokia dude or whatever12:47
psycho_oreos*shrugs* If there was some sort of banner available I guess one could dig in deeper to see what the site is about.12:47
DocScrutinizer05took several days12:47
psycho_oreosRegistration process? for DNS ownership transferrals?12:48
DocScrutinizer05the site had a fileserver sharing the ISI specs12:48
DocScrutinizer05no, like "login username: login password:"12:48
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DocScrutinizer05kinda similar to the IMEI protection on tabletsdev, just more individual to the user account12:49
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psycho_oreos <--- google to the rescue!. Though yeah I can see that it was once nokia stuff.12:49
DocScrutinizer05yeah, useless, see right side12:50
DocScrutinizer05Saved from   LOL12:51
psycho_oreosAt least the link was far shorter, heh.
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psycho_oreosI guess all the ISI related stuff maybe MohammadAG has a copy. :x12:52
DocScrutinizer05this is not moh12:55
DocScrutinizer05this is another mohammad12:55
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DocScrutinizer05I have _some_ of the stuff copied12:56
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DocScrutinizer05dunno if I ever managed to get _all_ the stuff12:56
DocScrutinizer05all the available versions12:56
psycho_oreosOh :d my bad. I thought it might have been him heh.12:57
DocScrutinizer05afaik mag never looked into ISI12:57
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DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: did you ever look into ISI? :-)12:58
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: your last link is a nice find anyway12:58
psycho_oreos*shrugs* Somehow I thought it might have been him because of the name (well yes I could be blamed for being naive because Mohammad is a common name in Arabic land), then the locality (Egypt) and then stuff about Arabic language which I happen to see mag did some photos or screenshots of Arabic input on N900 iinm.12:59
psycho_oreosHehe cheers. :) I guess it's the power of google-fu. ;)13:00
psycho_oreosAhh shite.. I see where I've went wrong.13:01
psycho_oreos*facepalms and laughs at self*13:01
DocScrutinizer05 :-)13:01
woddy~seen pupnik13:02
infobotpupnik <> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 739d 10h 11m 45s ago, saying: 'tegra chipset?'.13:02
jonwilI have Wireless Modem API G1 V2, Wireless Modem API G2 V1, Wireless Modem API G2 V2 and Wireless Modem API G2 V3 11w25.zip13:02
DocScrutinizer05woddy: this not going to change, eh?13:02
jonwilbut those are too recent to be of value for the N900 :(13:02
woddyDocScrutinizer05: haha I know13:02
woddyDocScrutinizer05: you know what happened to hi13:03
DocScrutinizer05yes, he asked for a ban13:03
woddy? oO13:03
MohammadAGMohammadAG, no, I haven't tbh :P13:03
psycho_oreosmag = Mohammad Abu Guyyev (hopefully I didn't get his name wrong). It was obvious that it suddenly dawned on me. His handle would obviously be based on his real name. bah!13:03
DocScrutinizer05dunno about his health, he had some severe problems13:03
MohammadAGGarbeyyeh :P13:03
psycho_oreosSorry :(13:04
MohammadAGYou're excused, no one except us arabs gets it right :P13:04
DocScrutinizer05hi moh! :-)13:04
MohammadAGYou should see Israelis say it, they kind of gurgle with weird words till I say it :p13:04
MohammadAGhey DocScrutinizer05 :D13:05
psycho_oreosThough it would somewhat be offensive I suppose in certain cultures if you misspelt a person's name.13:05
MohammadAGwhy, I for one wouldn't expect a person who doesn't know the language of my name to spell it right13:05
DocScrutinizer05way more problematic is the gender issue, nobody gets it right13:06
DocScrutinizer05I for one have NFC about northern names and the associated gender13:06
psycho_oreosI was about to cheat by seeing if I could find the exact name through your submitted patches or something. :) a-la-copy-and-pasta. heh, I guess I decided to type it out and hope it was right (which was wrong). :/13:06
MohammadAGsome names go for both genders too13:06
MohammadAGpetition to change NFC to NFI so as not to confuse with Near Field Communication13:07
psycho_oreosHeh a common three letter acronym I guess is up in arms.13:07
jonwilIf anyone has any wirelessmodem docs other than the 4 I already have, please speak up :)13:08
jonwilalthough I doubt anyone has any13:08
psycho_oreosThat other Mohammad guy may have it I suppose. I personally have none.13:08
psycho_oreosAlso.. another person here said that he has some. :>13:09
Palijonwil: I have something in notebook :-)13:11
jonwilwhat do you have? :)13:12
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, the one associated with the linux ML?13:14
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, I have no clue lol, I just stumbled upon a person's blog whom I mistaken that person as you.13:14
psycho_oreos <-- fyi it was that.13:15
psycho_oreosAhh yeah that specifically.13:16
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: how's life?13:16
jonwilcool, that guy has a reverse-engineered header file for libomap3camd (N9xx camera blob for MeeGo/Mer/etc)13:18
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jonwilI doubt anyone outside Nokiua has the wilressmodemapi documents that will help for the N900 :(13:22
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: MickeyL used those available on wirelessmodemapi plus the ophono stuff to implement fsogsmd13:24
DocScrutinizer05ofono always got all the sekrit info from Nokia they needed13:24
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DocScrutinizer05which kinda *****SUUUUCKS******13:25
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DocScrutinizer05same with meego which even got sourcecode in a week we didn't get for maemo after 4 years of asking "PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE!"13:26
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DocScrutinizer05and then Nokia wondered why several very productive people felt pissed and turned back at Nokia13:27
DocScrutinizer05self destruction at its finest13:28
Palijonwil: do not know13:29
Palidocscrutinizer05: you tried to get bme sources... did you ever looked into bme?13:30
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DocScrutinizer05sure, we analyzed what it does, via strace etc. I never had a look at the sources, but stskeeps did and he told me I definitely don't want to look at those sources, they are toxic13:31
DocScrutinizer05but then again, he got those sources, at a time when he wasn't Nokia employee iinm13:32
jonwilneither ofono nor fsogsmd have anything for a number of the interesting ISI calls (some of the SIM calls for example)13:32
DocScrutinizer05err ofono supposed to have a comprehensive working set of ISI calls to make BB5 behave13:33
DocScrutinizer05same for fsogsmd13:33
jonwilI think these are functions not required for working device but which the Fremantle stuff uses13:33
jonwili.e. ofono doesn't need these calls13:33
jonwilbut Fremantle does13:33
DocScrutinizer05what the heck is fremantle using that is not needed?13:33
DocScrutinizer05except GPS13:34
jonwilwell one of the things is the underlying ISI message that handles
jonwilFremantle uses it13:34
jonwilbut ofono and fsogsmd dont13:35
jonwilThats just the one I can think of off the top of my head13:35
Palidocscrutinizer05: did somebody decoded what info bme storing into CAL?13:35
Paliand is there info what all and how is stored in CAL?13:36
DocScrutinizer05not afaik13:36
Palijonwil: you already decoded some parts of data in CAL...13:36
Pali... do you have some documentation?13:36
DocScrutinizer05bme storing BS to CAL13:36
jonwilI didn't decode BME in CAL no13:36
Palinot only BME... but any other parts?13:37
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: most likely just gets info about SMS MX13:37
DocScrutinizer05from SIM13:37
DocScrutinizer05what does wireshark say?13:38
DocScrutinizer05you know there are wireshark ISI dissectors for phonet?13:38
jonwilI can see the value returned by (and by the underlying packet) but there is no info on what the numbers actually mean13:39
DocScrutinizer05in wireshark?13:39
jonwilno, via dbus-send or dbus-monitor13:39
DocScrutinizer05hmm yeah13:39
Palithere are more wireshard isi plugins...13:39
Palican you save link of last version to infobot?13:40
DocScrutinizer05I don't even know last version13:40
Palior at least one working version :-)13:40
DocScrutinizer05 here you are, that's my most recent info13:41
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jonwilso yeah there are isi calls the stock Nokia setup is making that are not covered or documented by any of the wirelessmodemapi documents I have or by ofono or fsogsmd13:42
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jonwilAs for CAL, what I know about it is covered by and
troulouliou_devhi what is the original size of the rootfs partition on maemo ?13:48
troulouliou_devon n900 i mean13:49
DocScrutinizer05hard to tell since it's ubifs which is compressing, so depending on tool you ask to tell you size, you can get quite different sizes13:52
DocScrutinizer05the physical size is around what psycho_oreos said13:52
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DocScrutinizer05sorry for spam13:53
psycho_oreosI sort of don't see why there's a need to know that. iinm rootfs sits on one chip.13:53
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# cat /proc/mtd13:53
DocScrutinizer05dev:    size   erasesize  name13:53
DocScrutinizer05mtd0: 00020000 00020000 "bootloader"13:53
DocScrutinizer05mtd1: 00060000 00020000 "config"13:53
DocScrutinizer05mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "log"13:53
DocScrutinizer05mtd3: 00200000 00020000 "kernel"13:53
DocScrutinizer05mtd4: 00200000 00020000 "initfs"13:53
DocScrutinizer05mtd5: 0fb40000 00020000 "rootfs"13:53
DocScrutinizer05and yes, you don't need to know this13:54
* psycho_oreos wonders if someone borked their setup hence needing that sort of info.13:54
DocScrutinizer05df and du are showing larger numbers13:55
troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, i ve got an issue booting my N900; i jsut remember that like 2 years ago when i was using the phone i made tons of symlink  from / /lib ... to spare some place in this partition13:55
infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"13:55
psycho_oreosI was about to say that lol. optification ftw.13:55
DocScrutinizer05it's not exactly trivial to determine which libs are needed during early boot where eMMC aka /home aka /opt isn't available yet13:56
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troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, yeah thats it i moved some files from nand to emmc then with flasher-3.5 ... remember now :)13:57
DocScrutinizer05e.g when you optify some PA plugins (me looking at Pali) then the shaking hands video during boot will load a PA that breaks since it doesn't find the needed plugins. This can't autocure and needs a PA restart when /opt is finally available13:57
psycho_oreosI'd never touch /lib. There's things like /lib/firmware which contains firmwares for various devices onboard N900. Shifting that /lib to some other place where kernel cannot access can result in some pretty nasty effects.13:57
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troulouliou_devpretty sure i foloow a guide on the forum; andthis happens only with uboot/backupmenu .. maybe somekind of timeout around needed libs and mounting emmc13:59
troulouliou_dev(space key issue sorry)13:59
psycho_oreosOh yeah not to mention /lib/modules/`uname -r` : Loads of drivers sit in there (ahem kernel modules).13:59
DocScrutinizer05don't even think about doing "optification" aka moving stuff from NAND to eMMC when you don't know *exactly* what you're doing. You definitely will mess up your system13:59
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, yeah i got the exact issue when switching from original PR1.3 to pwnieexpress and now when "evolving" from pwnieexpress to cssu14:01
troulouliou_devpretty sure the thing in common is backupmenu14:01
DocScrutinizer05this whole topic is pretty much unrelated to backupmenu14:01
troulouliou_devgoot 30Meg free in rootfs will check later by mouting with flasher whee i can free space14:02
troulouliou_devok thanks14:02
DocScrutinizer05cssu is a patchset on top of maemo PR1.3, NOT on top of anything else14:02
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DocScrutinizer05it definitely won't work on top of e.g. pwnie14:02
psycho_oreosI'd consider reflash and start from scratch, building up to CSSU. I'd never install CSSU on the rootfs of the actual maemo setup. In fact I have had a maemo chroot environment made for pwnie-express setup.14:03
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psycho_oreoserr sorry I meant pwnie-express to maemo base.14:03
psycho_oreosThe other huge problem is that pwnie express I'm sure is largely unmaintained for N900.14:05
troulouliou_devyeah in worst case scenario will do that (lack free time atm). tanks guys and sorry for disturbing i was not using really this phone since some times now14:05
troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, pwnie express is just PR1.3 with additional sec softwares added out of any repos/apt14:06
troulouliou_devthey just copy them to /opt/pentest or somewhere else and added some desktop icons for hildon14:06
psycho_oreostroulouliou_dev, yes of course at the time. I think they also had their own wl12xx injection drivers, etc. Though the bottom line is that CSSU updates are far newer and replaces far more stuff than pwnie express.14:06
psycho_oreos*shrugs* been awhile since I last heard of pwnie express let alone it's setup process. At any given rate I wouldn't have installed on the rootfs of my maemo setup.14:07
troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, yes i removed the pinning they set on "their"  kernel and upgraded to the cssu one14:07
DocScrutinizer05lol, somebody sending a mail to council with header "Dear MohammadAG"14:08
psycho_oreosThey probably thought MohammadAG was working for the council. ;)14:08
DocScrutinizer05"suggestions" for CSSU14:10
troulouliou_devi also noticed a little bug in cssu but it was maybe there earlier, when i m using blutooth in my car to listen music from mediabox and maybe others softwares, the N900 do not send anything when the wifi bleedingedge driver is in use14:10
DocScrutinizer05which are actually complaints about kbd keysize in portrait mode, and a invalid complaint about icon arrangement in portrait14:10
troulouliou_devneed to switch to stock wifi or better shut downwifi14:10
DocScrutinizer05hah, BT not working with bleeding edge WLAN drivers, that would be a rather funny bug report14:11
psycho_oreostroulouliou_dev, from hardware perspective, wireless and bluetooth shares the same frequency (roughly) as well on N900 virtually the same antenna. It wouldn't be a surprise if bleeding edge driver was in use whilst one uses the bluetooth.14:12
DocScrutinizer05might actually be possible that coexistence in WLAN suppresses BT indefinitely14:12
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, I own the council14:12
MohammadAGno one knows that14:12
DocScrutinizer05particularly council never knew ;-P14:12
psycho_oreosWe do now. :> *just kidding*14:12
troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, seems logical thanks14:13
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, yes, the guy must have some serious connections to have discovered it14:13
DocScrutinizer05oh, btw, council will decease in 3.5 weeks14:13
troulouliou_devfun phone, never dies :)14:13
MohammadAGoh really?14:13
MohammadAGI'm not affiliated with the council in any way, hate messages should be directed at DocScrutinizer0514:14
MohammadAGthank you for your support :)14:14
DocScrutinizer05no, i'm not coucil anymore in 3 weeks14:14
MohammadAGThe captain always goes down with the ship14:15
DocScrutinizer05and it seems nobody will be council in 4 weeks14:15
MohammadAGhe doesn't jump off half a week before :P14:15
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MohammadAGbut seriously, what happened?14:15
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DocScrutinizer05pretty normal election pending14:15
psycho_oreostroulouliou_dev, I was thinking that bleeding edge drivers may also not corporate with certain aspects of power outputs. Even if they share the same antenna, etc the wlan doesn't really compensate for bluetooth because it doesn't know that bluetooth exists and is sharing on the same lines as wlan.14:15
DocScrutinizer05nobody cares14:15
psycho_oreosWhat.. so ultimately will be wholly donation driven with no councils and no plans to improvise?14:17
DocScrutinizer05nobody joins council meetings, nobody takes notice of qwazix' election announcement14:17
DocScrutinizer05maemo council chair doesn't respond at all to anything14:18
DocScrutinizer05no candidates for next election show up, nobody to send out tokens or anything14:18
DocScrutinizer05and I refuse to do this *again*14:19
DocScrutinizer05and I couldn't blame qwazix when he also refuses to do this again14:19
psycho_oreosDamn, I was under the wrong impression that it seems the council has been somewhat going smoothly apart from issue with that treasurer whom has gone awol.14:20
DocScrutinizer05we got council chair chem|st who *should* take care, and we got merlin1991, both ignore the topic completely14:20
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: that's HiFo board, not maemo council14:21
psycho_oreosAhh *facepalms self*. Yes.. right.. my bad14:21
DocScrutinizer05I managed last maemo council election, I managed HiFo resurrection and re-election, and now I'm terminally fed up14:22
psycho_oreosMaybe the people on the HiFo board can do something about the existing council members whom fail to enact on something. :d14:22
DocScrutinizer05oh, I forgot: I managed election of HiFo council and unification of both councils14:25
DocScrutinizer05since evrybody was mad about that happening14:26
DocScrutinizer05not that everything got accomplished, public interest is zilch14:27
DocScrutinizer05in HiFo, maemo council and HiFo council14:27
DocScrutinizer05and elections14:27
DocScrutinizer05and meetings14:27
DocScrutinizer05so I'll just watch maemo die in 4 weeks14:28
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Paliah when playing mp3 via OMP then PA using 70% CPU :-(14:30
Palianother bug in PA...14:30
Paliwhy on the earth got idea to create PA????14:30
DocScrutinizer05I came to the conclusion that everybody loves maemo to be 100% community driven, but only to utter requests for stuff getting done by some fairy for users. Nobody interested in the fact that a entity needs a management14:31
Paliwhy nokia did not created closed alsa pluings, but closed PA plugins??14:33
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: the people on HiFo board are busy sorting their "own" issues with bank accounts and who does what and when and how14:33
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: and in 4 weeks it goes pooof and no more council at duty and thus basically no more maemo14:34
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DocScrutinizer05and I officially announce that I fail on my council duties to help on organizing new council elections14:35
DocScrutinizer05I'm not interested in a maemo community that exists only because I reanimate it14:36
DocScrutinizer05IOW I quit my role as maemo community cardio pacemaker14:37
Paliwhy skype using 12 processes???14:37
Palion n900?14:37
DocScrutinizer05plaI couldn't care less14:37
DocScrutinizer05Pali: ^^^14:37
psycho_oreosI guess it will become more of a mess. Not that it's gonna affect you if you are going to resign. To me it sort of seems like there's lack of communication within the council. Whilst one is getting all burnt out from holding the site up, there's not much support that could be offered to alleviate the issue.14:40
DocScrutinizer05holding the site up is only one of the duties of council14:41
DocScrutinizer05when nobody is interested in council and what it does, then nobody should be surprised when eventually site goes down14:41
DocScrutinizer05without council there's basically nobody acting on behalf of "the maemo community" and things will go south pretty quickly14:44
DocScrutinizer05maybe HiFo just seizes control over the infra and continues doing with it whatever they like - when they find time to care about mameo infra technical aspects at all14:45
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XATRIXHi, is there any good app, to blacklist numbers ? I don't want to receive calls from a certain numbers14:48
XATRIXEspecially some bank numbers14:48
psycho_oreosSo there was a council election after June 2013?14:48
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psycho_oreosI was trying to find more info about council stuff:
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psycho_oreosThe wiki certainly looks quite outdated :/ 5 members from community. When the two councils merged, it became 4 members.14:49
DocScrutinizer05yes, we have 4 official mambers in the unified council now14:50
DocScrutinizer05and the council term ends in 3.5weeks14:51
XATRIXIs there any good app, to blacklist incoming call numbers ?14:51
psycho_oreosAhh yes I was about to ask that.14:51
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jonwilI for one intend to stay out of politics and do my bit for the community with my reverse engineering and software skills14:54
DocScrutinizer05council is not politics14:54
DocScrutinizer05council is about *work* to be done14:55
DocScrutinizer05when there's no more council, nobbody will decide which new maintainers to grant on packages, which new projects to allow on garage, which developers to get access to extras uploads14:57
DocScrutinizer05nobody will manage the infra anymore, on the management level, not on the sysop / maintainer level14:58
jonwilok so its about organization rather than politics14:59
jonwilgot ya14:59
DocScrutinizer05I might keep my role as maemo admin manager as long as there is no new council, but when I decide to quit, nobody will appoint a successor for my position15:00
psycho_oreos <--- old but gives one an insight I suppose.15:00
XATRIXAnyone knows a good app to blacklist incoming phone numbers ?15:02
psycho_oreosWe heard you the first time..15:03
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, is there a possibility (call me crazy but..) somehow invite those two other members whom stepped down during the council merges to come back up and see if they can try and re-invigorate the council?15:04
psycho_oreosI also see the latest thread on upcoming elections, only two of the four people "signed off".15:05
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DocScrutinizer05yes, no reaction whatsoever from the other two15:06
psycho_oreosHmm.. :/15:06
psycho_oreosYou mean the other two whom didn't sign off or the two members whom stepped down?15:07
psycho_oreos.. or even both? :/15:07
DocScrutinizer05nah, the two who stepped down are actually pretty active, just not for council anymore, despite they got a honor membership status15:08
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psycho_oreosI personally reckon it might be an idea to try and get those whom stepped down to come back on again. Even though it can seem like it's overkill but at least maybe they maybe able to help you from getting burnt out.15:09
psycho_oreosTa, reading that now.15:09
psycho_oreosSeems like sixwheeledbeast is pretty active at the meeting.15:15
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe I'm just in a dommsday mood and some brillant motivated 6 new maemo council candidates stap up in a week or two15:15
psycho_oreoschem|st didn't respond and merlin1991 finally responded.15:15
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's pretty representative15:16
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DocScrutinizer05and there has to be done wuite a bit of organizing for elections behind the scenes, to get tokens / ballots sent out15:18
psycho_oreosI wouldn't blame you for being burnt out, I have noticed at times you have called out for help with various issues. Though yeah it just seems like if nothing is going to change after the election (and it seems like you have served for quite sometime as well, notably during the migration days where it was most likely hectic.) it seems as though one could almost be willing to give up the entire thing.15:18
DocScrutinizer05dang, doomsday* and step* up15:19
DocScrutinizer05and quite* and I'm out now15:20
DocScrutinizer05woody once "promised" a working karma and election engine based on karma, for the next elections. seems that stalled as well15:21
psycho_oreoso.O I bet freemangordon has been nominated. :D15:21
DocScrutinizer05I also lack to spot the electon announcement on ML15:22
DocScrutinizer05yes woody15:23
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psycho_oreosAhh I don't know who that person is.15:25
DocScrutinizer05he fixed much of the karma stuff in midgard, and he provided the web frontend to set up new elections. Alas it lacks a few bits like proper karma based token database creation, primarily due to lack of tmo based correct karma15:25
chem|stpsycho_oreos: elections are mandatory, don't know why it would need a 'vote' on if we hold elections?! I tried to get info on Nokia/Jolla conversations and it seems noone has a clue but Rob15:25
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: nobody "votes" on elections15:26
chem|stI asked for thoughts regarding includance of jolla into without asking much of jolla15:26
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: they just need to get DONE, and one rule says they get announced by council CHAIR15:26
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psycho_oreoschem|st, *shrugs* I'm sorta trying to get a better grasp on how it works. I was sort of under the impression the elections are based on community (well those with karma of course) voting.15:28
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: exactly, by the time I read it (as I was afk for 5 days) all mails were sent and posts were made, no need to comment anything?=! So it is my fault to not have that in my timeline and I am sorry for that. OTOH we are nothing like a governmental institution and thereby a day or two behind such things isn't as bad as some people pretend it to be.15:28
chem|stpsycho_oreos: I am speaking of the election announcement not election15:29
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psycho_oreoschem|st, right well not saying that there needed to be votes. I was just looking at those who have signatures below on the election announcement. It was somewhat a bit unusual it was not signed on behalf of the council but rather by two members.15:30
chem|styeah that was mistaken by qwazix I guess...15:31
DocScrutinizer05no way15:31
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, ahh interesting (about karma stuff). I've yet to find how much karma I got. LOL (probably 0 or -1, etc).15:31
chem|stall announcements should read the name of the announcer + obotc but who cares?!15:32
chem|stit is not art or something (on behalf of...15:32
psycho_oreosBetter to ask just in case if I get it mistaken.15:34
DocScrutinizer05yeah, sure. I just think we rather should adhere to existing rules whenever possible15:34
DocScrutinizer05one such rule is "CHAIR annoces elections"15:35
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DocScrutinizer05and while I agree that a few days delay are almost usual, I think there's no good reason to ignore that rule all together15:36
DocScrutinizer05and it's not just about announcing elections, they don't happen by just announcing them, they need to get managed15:38
kolpSo what is a good way to get involved in admin/council stuff if one is mostly a lurker on tmo and irc and a happy user of an n900 and hasn't contributed much in terms of actual dev work?15:39
DocScrutinizer05and you can both on that management as well, sending out tokens to a random number of community members or just allowing everybody to vote, but that's again not adhering to the rules then15:39
DocScrutinizer05kolp: you should probably read the meeting minutes of council, thus getting an idea what it's all about.15:40
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kolpYes, but I've read a couple of times that all that is stuff for 'trusted community members', which of course makes sense. But if I have no dev contributions it's difficult to gain that status ;)15:44
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psycho_oreosYou're certainly not alone there. :) I also have zilch dev contributions. Maybe a few bug reports here and there but that's about it.15:45
DocScrutinizer05I neither have remarkable dev contributions15:47
chem|stkolp: drafting ideas how to get the community back to speed - contribute to discussions/meetings with your knowledge, help testing cssu-testing stuff with the guys in #maemo-ssu15:47
DocScrutinizer05it's not a prerequisite for council15:47
DocScrutinizer05testing cssu is definzely not a job of council members15:48
psycho_oreosThough I guess it's in some ways to show that you are committed to helping in the community.15:50
DocScrutinizer05I think neither RevdKathy nor MentalistTraceur been any sort of developer or tester15:50
chem|stkolp: I grew into it with talk and being alpha/beta tester, then I was asked to maintain cssu-stable and talked reggie into giving away with me being his replacement and oops15:50
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: it is about how to become a recognized member without being a dev15:51
DocScrutinizer05that's all pretty much unrelated to council15:51
DocScrutinizer05aah, k15:51
chem|stit is all pretty much related to council!15:52
DocScrutinizer05now that explains why we don't see you on meetings15:52
chem|stwithout doing betatesting and brainstorming, asking to moderate some subforums I would never have gotten that deep into this mess ;)15:53
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* kolp notices that he even has some karma... :)15:54
psycho_oreosYup same here, double digits as well. *frowns*15:55
kolpThe karma looks wrong, though15:56
psycho_oreosNow.. I still need to find that bloody link with all the current council and their photos. I think there was something on that page that would give me some wanted info..15:56
psycho_oreosAhh there it is... DocScrutinizer05 to the rescue.15:56
psycho_oreosI wouldn't blame karma if you have something to show your status! :D15:57
psycho_oreosElections are open to community members with an account over 3 months old and karma of 10 or more. Candidates can be anyone with a karma of 100 or above.15:58
psycho_oreosLooks like I miss the mark for being a candidate haha.. not that I was willing but curious.15:59
kolpWasn't 'thanks' part of karma at some point?15:59
chem|stkarma will be calcualted by hand if there is not enough in th database yet, as tmo karma does not work for some reason15:59
kolpAnd why do I have karma for 'Bugzilla reported' if a search on b.m.o reveals I have reported zarro?15:59
psycho_oreos <-- they're weighted.16:00
chem|stkolp: a comment counts as well16:00
kolpchem|st: That's a separate part16:00
psycho_oreosYou even get 1 karma point for having account.16:00
psycho_oreosErr no my bad.16:01
* psycho_oreos takes that back.16:01
jonwilhmmm, I only have 73 karma so I am ineligible for council in any case even if I wanted to participate16:02
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: we can't calculate karma by hand for 10k users16:03
kolpI think automatic karma calculation is seriously wrong, at least in my case16:04
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psycho_oreosjonwil, I'd say you are lucky considering like DocScrutinizer05 have in-depth knowledge of things. :) I'm like a small fry compared to you two haha. (Karma: 37)16:04
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: defintely not. The karma is broken since it lacks tmo16:05
DocScrutinizer05btw I wouldn't be surprised if even my karma right atm doesn't allow me to be candidate16:05
psycho_oreosI'd say counting 10,000 users and updating their "Thanks!" into karma (database) would probably blow the karma proportions out by a lot.16:05
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, I'd say you're close to the top (i.e. >100) lol.16:06
DocScrutinizer05should be >600 though16:06
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DocScrutinizer05it been <80 a while back, when even wiki karma was broken16:06
psycho_oreosExactly, so why fuss? hahahhaha. lol16:07
DocScrutinizer05anyway we can't send out tokens since we have no working karma base to decide who gets a token and who won't16:07
jonwilAnyhow, I intend to keep working on MCE and maybe hit GPS16:08
DocScrutinizer05without tokens no voting, without voting no new council16:08
psycho_oreosIn other words, tokens are given out to user's accounts active for more than 3 months and has karma of 10 or more?16:08
psycho_oreosAhh I see, so I should be seeing a token but I don't see any. That makes sense.16:09
DocScrutinizer05we have ~2 weeks to fix tmo karma and send out tokens16:10
DocScrutinizer05I don't see anybody taking care of that problem16:10
psycho_oreosI reckon someone should get that karma and token (ideally the token first) bit going before the next election starts. Otherwise the current council members would become ultimately the "new" council members because there was no actual vote.16:10
psycho_oreosI was about to say.. :)16:10
DocScrutinizer05see backscroll, I mentioned that woody once said this will be fixed when we need it for next election. It isn't16:12
DocScrutinizer05and I CBA to push any longer16:12
DocScrutinizer05since I pushed this and whatnot else since ~12 months now16:12
psycho_oreosYeah, I now recall that and I also know who woody is now as well after scouring on w.m.o16:13
DocScrutinizer05so all the pushing community and everybody else can expect from my side is what i'm just doing: ranting about it16:13
DocScrutinizer05and even that i'lll stop now16:13
DocScrutinizer05I'll simply lean back and watch the whole thing die16:14
psycho_oreos~seen Woody1461916:14
infobotwoody14619 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 25d 19h 21m 27s ago, saying: 'odd... Time to reboot. :)'.16:14
DocScrutinizer05sorry but I can't sustain my dedication any longer16:15
DocScrutinizer05and I can't blame qwazix when he neither is going to push things16:16
DocScrutinizer05I'm quite sure he feels just like me16:17
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troulouliou_devif it is like me maybe all those low karma guys just temporary bought an android phone and will runback to their n900 in a few month/year :)16:31
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DocScrutinizer05will be too late then16:44
gormuxI miss mine a little... but the hardware was just too slow, and the screen is bad compared to newer devices16:46
gormuxbut the system was great16:46
DocScrutinizer05I notice the maemo community core is bleeding out and currently ~20..50 persons, of which 99% say "no politics" and just do what they like to do, I.E. develop stuff. The rest of "community" are consumers16:46
gormuxI helped a colleague program some automations on his, it reminded me how much i loved the n90016:46
* DocScrutinizer05 urgently needs a break to avoid suffering a feeling of deep despair16:49
chem|stthat is why we should get jolla on board... without a new hype we will be stuck with those 20 having enough love to do things16:49
chem|streminds me to love some building new cssu release soon16:50
DocScrutinizer05please don't do same mistake like Rob did. there's nothing to get 2on board" - Jolla clearly stated they are not interested in maemo16:50
chem|stI know but they are interested in having us become jolla-community and that is what needs to happen16:51
kolpBut we're not jolla16:51
DocScrutinizer05that's nonsense16:51
kolpNeither are they maemo16:51
chem|stthe approach we are maemo and we are your community does not work16:51
troulouliou_devthat the only dev ive done for maemo/n900 :
DocScrutinizer05exactly, i'm not jolla community and nobody else will become jolla community, no matter what you do16:52
jonwilI for one intend to keep using my N900 so long as it continues to work16:52
kolpjonwil: +116:52
chem|stoh ok so I missunderstood the idea of we adopt jolla as the n9 successor completely?16:52
jonwilI will never give up on the N900 and Maemo16:52
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chem|stjonwil: that is not asked off of you16:53
kolpWell, how does a jolla hype benefit *maemo*?16:53
psycho_oreos213.128.137.28/showthread.php?p=1379321 <--- May seem crap... but better than nothing I hope.16:54
chem|stactive people16:54
DocScrutinizer05I don't need 2people"16:54
kolpBut those people would be interested in jolla, not maemo, or what am I missing?16:54
DocScrutinizer05and I don't see any activity of "jolla people"16:54
DocScrutinizer05particularly no activity relevant for maemo16:54
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: go to tmo...16:54
DocScrutinizer05nor any relevant activity in maemo, from jolla's POV16:55
chem|stand particular relevant activity is people setting up repos for jolla and willing to have a look after what we came from16:55
psycho_oreosI read about jolla using rpm as their package manager instead of the maemo's usual routine of deb as package manager.16:56
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chem|stold maemo versions aren't relevant to n900 people but we still keep an eye on things if need be16:56
DocScrutinizer05how's anybody who sets up a repo for Jolla (NB we don't even know if that would work at all) going to have a look at maemo stuff?16:56
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chem|stseems I am totally in the wrong place here16:57
DocScrutinizer05when your take is "I'm moving on, you better follow2 then maybe yes. We had that with meego, quite some time ago. Many devels abandoned maemo fremantle and developed for meego. When now same shall happen for meego harmattan -> jolla sailfish transition then I guess that doesn't need further support and fostering, it already happened and still happening17:01
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micknamemy n900 shut down mid browsing and wont restart (nokia logo appears and then the screen stays black with backlight on)17:02
micknamewat do? :(17:02
DocScrutinizer05sailfish however is NOT maemo anymore, and jolla clearly stated that they don't see any link back to maemo OS and maemo community17:02
chem|stand that happened as nokia tried to build a new meego community elsewhere... jolla said that anyone can start the jolla community, they wont start it nor prevent it to happen17:02
DocScrutinizer05mickname: worst case reflash17:03
chem|stsame goes for mer and nitdroid17:03
chem|stmickname: does it charge?17:03
micknamechem|st: yeah, the yellow light pluses17:04
DocScrutinizer05well, you can start a new community any time. You however never can *migrate* a community17:04
micknamealthough the battery was lowish when it "died"17:04
chem|stdoes it die after it went blackscreen backlight on?17:05
micknamei'm jost not very keen to reflash as i didnt make any system changes before it died so it's hard to believe it would help17:05
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micknamei think after a while the screen shuts down as in normal powersave17:06
micknameim not entirely sure, it doesnt seem to be very consistent17:06
chem|stcharge it for a while and try again17:06
DocScrutinizer05mickname: you switched it on?17:06
micknameyes :)17:06
micknamei'm aware that it can't be turned on while its on the charger17:07
chem|stit can... but it wont charge during boot17:07
DocScrutinizer05it can't be turned OFF completely17:07
micknameumm.. if the phone is off, i attach it to charger and try to turn it on it wont start17:08
DocScrutinizer05it rather will enter act_dead mode17:08
micknameit just displays the dim nokia logo as far as i recall, and has always worked like that17:08
DocScrutinizer05try to turn it on when it's NOT on charger17:08
micknameyeah i did17:08
chem|stremove battery for some minutes, put it back together and charge it for at least 30 minutes then unplug and try again booting17:09
micknameok i will try that, i tried removing the battery for a few secs but that didn't help17:09
DocScrutinizer05well, that's absolutely incorrect behaviour. When device is on charger, it will "boot up" same moment you plug it to charger, then enter act _dead mode where it *pretends* to be off. Then whe it reached that state you _can_ swtich it on, which causes a reboot to another runlevel where it doesn't pretend to be off17:10
micknamei've never managed to turn n900 fully on while attached to a charger17:11
micknamejust pressing the powerbutton?17:11
DocScrutinizer05removing battery when device hasn't shut down completely (will take up to 30s after it looks like it powered down) is dangerous for the filesystem17:11
DocScrutinizer05yes, just press power button until the white light on indicator completely bright17:12
DocScrutinizer05before removing battery shut device down (power button for 5s, until white light completely dim) then WAIT for 30s17:13
micknameis it possible that i have a strange firmware version or something as i've seriously tried turning the phone on while being plugged in during the 4-ish years i've owned it but never have succeeded17:13
DocScrutinizer05early powerkernels had that bug17:14
micknamei think i have a later powerkernel :-)17:14
DocScrutinizer05when you can't power it up when plugged to charger, then probably not recent enough17:15
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DocScrutinizer05up til I think KP46 the device always enetred act_dead mode when booting up, due to incorrect bootreason bassed from NOLO to kernel17:17
DocScrutinizer05on the bright side it at least charged in act_dead mode17:18
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DocScrutinizer05and you can boot up from battery (when charged) and then plug in the charger when device completely booted17:18
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micknameokay, i'll try to get the battery fully charged and try gain17:19
DocScrutinizer05good plan17:19
micknamei know the battery is getting a bit bad17:19
micknameits the original17:19
micknamethanks for the suggestions17:19
DocScrutinizer05once booted you should check your kernel version17:21
DocScrutinizer05uname -a17:21
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micknamedoes n900 log syslog?17:22
DocScrutinizer05if your filesystem got corrupted, boot can take quite a while until screen gets lit (it may do fsck which takes several minutes)17:22
DocScrutinizer05when you installed ksyslogd then yes17:22
micknameduring the "nonresponsive" black backlit screen, i could power it off from the powerbutton with the normal white fadeoutled17:23
micknameso its not completely unresponsive17:23
micknamei'll report back later :-)17:23
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that seems to suggest it's busy with boot and probably fsck in there (or optification) - or simply stuck with something that doesn't allow X11 to come up17:24
DocScrutinizer05black screen for a minute or two isn't unheard17:25
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DocScrutinizer05if it doesn't come back to normal during 30min, after booting and plugging in charger 2 minutes later...17:25
DocScrutinizer05you have a problem17:26
DocScrutinizer05if you can't log in via ssh and wifi, and you don't feel like messing around with rescueOS (which wouldn't allow to install e.g. ksyslogd), then reflashing is your best bet in that case17:27
micknamei have ssh server enabled but if i recall my phone wont automatically connecto to any networks :(17:28
DocScrutinizer05and when I say "charger" I mean Nokia original wallwart fastcharger, NOT anything else, NOT PC17:28
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bindiboican I somehow hook up a switch/button to my n900 and listen for the keypress with python?17:37
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, or anything that you know will give at least 1.1A to musb, with a short d+/d-17:46
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DocScrutinizer05bindi: yes, see hold-button on headset17:50
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bindiDocScrutinizer05: so easiest way is to get a headset with answer button17:51
keriobindi: eyup17:52
keriothere's the stock one17:52
bindithat'd be long gone by now lol17:52
DocScrutinizer05get a 3.5mm 4 pin plug, connect your switch between base and ring next to base. Leave tip and first ring unconnected17:55
DocScrutinizer05or get an arbitrary headset with 3.5mm plug and one button17:56
DocScrutinizer05maybe cheaper than a plug17:56
DocScrutinizer05oooh, and actually you'd need a 2kR resistor in parallel to your switch when you try DIY, otherwise the AV logic will think you hooked up a TV and will feed video signal to the 3rd ring and not listen to switch17:58
* bindi takes notes18:01
sixwheeledbeastah, useful to know. 2k resistor. I have been thinking of making a wired handsfree kit so I can put the microphone in a better place and have push button on the dash then audio routed to radio.18:02
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DocScrutinizer05well, the 2kR simulates a mic18:05
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DocScrutinizer05actually I would have to rethink if 2k is the right value, but probably yes18:06
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DocScrutinizer05in a headset the hold button simply shorts the mic18:08
bindiwhat i'm planning to do with my old n900: place the camera on my doors peephole, and replace the doorbell with an electronic switch that connects to the n90018:14
bindiand notify me when the doorbell is rang18:14
bindipossibly take a picture, and/or have a local stream of the camera18:15
bindidoable? nuts? :P18:15
kolpbindi: Sounds like a fun project :)18:15
kolpAnd sounds doable18:15
chem|stbindi: sounds more like a RPi thing but well doable18:17
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: the n9 headset (shipped with) has only stereo on my samsung tablet when I hold the button down18:19
chem|stnever tested other headsets (with mic+button)18:20
DocScrutinizer05samsung tablet probably has apple "standard" then. With Gnd on 3rd ring and mic on sleeve :-o18:21
DocScrutinizer05apple invented this crap to differnetiate from other standards and have their own headsets sold18:22
DocScrutinizer05no sane EE would place mic hot wire on sleeve of a 3.5mm plug18:23
DocScrutinizer05it's as nuts as placing GND to inner connector of RCA cinch and the signal to the shielding18:24
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DocScrutinizer05alas due to whyPhone hype this "standard" gets more and more popular18:26
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DocScrutinizer05originally the iPods also hat a immersion where the 3.5mm jack sits, so you couldn't plug in "normal" 3.5mm plugs since they had too large diameter18:28
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: originally the iPods also had a immersion where the 3.5mm jack sits, so you couldn't plug in "normal" 3.5mm plugs since they had too large diameter18:28
DocScrutinizer05complete bullshit18:29
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DocScrutinizer05this insanity started long ago with apple computers that had even dangerous 3.5mm plugs that were longer than normal, and thus destroyed other devices when you tried to plug in flush such apple proprietary 3.5mm jack. iPod was "save" since it hat that immersion18:31
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DocScrutinizer05had* damn!18:31
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bindichem|st: yes but then my n900 would be useless :p18:31
DocScrutinizer05definitly doable18:33
DocScrutinizer05except for that camera at doorspy18:33
DocScrutinizer05dunno if that would work18:33
DocScrutinizer05will work if you don't have that fisheye thingie in that peephole18:34
DocScrutinizer05otherwise I wouldn't know18:34
DocScrutinizer05and hey! you can even use accelerometer to detect people knocking the door ;-)18:34
DocScrutinizer05and record audio18:35
DocScrutinizer05and playback mp3 tunes for doorbell18:35
DocScrutinizer05but I think when your N900 is in good condition then you could as well sell it and get a ready made IP cam with trigger input for the money18:38
DocScrutinizer05easier to mount, better suited cam for the porpose, comes with IR light usually, power via PoE via UTP/cat5 or dedicated PSU18:39
DocScrutinizer05the N900 cam's autofocus will most likely give you headache18:41
DocScrutinizer05and the 5MP are overkill that gives you some more headache18:41
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sixwheeledbeastYes I agree PoE IP camera at front door. Or even composite camera plugged into TV. It does sound like RPi project. I agree on the TRRS thing too, bloody apple/samsung crap. There's a standard for a reason and most are ignoring it.19:36
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micknamesooo... i flashed the rootfs on my phone and now it's stuck on the dot-animation20:27
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Sicelomickname: still nothing?20:30
micknamealready waited for 10 mins20:31
Sicelou flashed ootfs only?20:31
micknameactually, its seems to be stuck in exactly the same way as before flashinh but this time i can see the dots20:31
mickname(see discussion ~3h before)20:32
Sicelooh.. let me see20:32
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Siceloyou guys spoke about lots of stuff, lol.. am even lazy to read all of it.20:35
Siceloanyway, did the flash succeed? your image is not corrupt somehow?20:35
micknamethe flasher didn't report any errors20:35
micknameand the phone seems to be exactly the sameway as before on boot except this time i can see the dots20:36
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Siceloi don't know. i would confirm if the image is really good.20:39
Siceloand maybe even flash the whole device, incl emmc20:40
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DocScrutinizer05flash VANILLA21:39
DocScrutinizer05/home corrupted21:40
DocScrutinizer05or boot rescueOS and restore /home from a former version21:41
DocScrutinizer05...if you have any backup21:41
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sixwheeledbeastmickname: ^^^21:41
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micknameï'll try to leave the phone on for like 4-10h to see if it fschks and then try to flash the emmc also :(22:01
micknameno backups of course ;)22:01
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Sicelolol mickname. if it hasn't fsck'ed now, any more time won't make any difference.22:15
Siceloyou're just using up battery power, which you need for a successful flash. i hope your device still charges22:16
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dos11.5 years of updates for my n900!22:25
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micknameyeah it charges22:36
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brolin_empeyMicrosoft Windows version 1.01 can run COMMAND.COM in a window instead of full-screen but I do not remember if Windows 3.x has the same capability.22:52
* brolin_empey wanted to tell Tekk_ as a continuation of our conversation in this channel on Friday but he (she?) is no longer present. ☹22:54
brolin_empeyIncidentally, (the) Quassel IRC (client) almost seems too newschool for me. ☹22:59
brolin_empeyIncidentally, does anyone here have any experience with the AdvanceTC Magic W3 ?23:03
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brolin_empeyEven if Windows 7 for x86-32 performs satisfactorily with only 1 GiB of physical RAM but at least with the page file on fast (NAND) flash memory instead of a slow HDD, the 800×480 display combined with the lack of an integrated hardware keyboard seems like a deal breaker to me. ☹23:10
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brolin_empeyHeh, I just realised the Bill of Materials for an Intel Atom integrated circuit is an Atom IC BOM, which sounds similar to “atomic bomb”. :-D23:16
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