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| dos1 | OT: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Secret-3G-Radio-in-Every-Intel-vPro-CPU-Could-Steal-Your-Ideas-at-Any-Time-385194.shtml | 00:22 |
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| dos1 | is that even possible? how could that be usable without proper antenna? | 00:23 |
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| dos1 | wouldn't it be extremely easy to detect? | 00:25 |
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| pdanek | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sandy-bridge-vpro-core-i7,12353.html | 00:30 |
| pdanek | Previous versions of Intel Anti-Theft Technology enabled authorized IT or service personnel to send a coded "poison pill" over the Internet to completely disable a lost or stolen computer and help prevent access to its encrypted data and deter theft. New Intel AT 3.0 enables the poison pill to be sent as an encrypted, authenticated SMS message by an authorized administrator over a 3G cellular network as well within moments after a missing laptop is tur | 00:30 |
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| dos1 | pdanek: but I'd guess it that applies only to devices with 3g modem integrated | 00:34 |
| dos1 | some netbooks or similar stuff | 00:35 |
| dos1 | cpu with 3g communication seems crazy | 00:35 |
| pdanek | For me, it's that simple, Intel Anti-Theft Technology = reason why there is 3G radio chip. | 00:38 |
| pdanek | As it's written in link I sent above: Intel Anti-Theft Technology Ver. 3.0 (AT 3.0), included on all 2nd generation Intel Core and Core vPro processors. | 00:39 |
| dos1 | pdanek: well, I don't care about the reason | 00:39 |
| pdanek | So it's included in CPU. | 00:39 |
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| dos1 | I care about technical aspects | 00:39 |
| pdanek | Don't worry, NSA isn't going to take over your laptop. :) | 00:40 |
| pdanek | But you are right | 00:40 |
| pdanek | it's stranhe w/o antenna | 00:40 |
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| dos1 | not only that - 3g needs registration to the bts | 00:44 |
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| dos1 | and such feature would need cooperation of all carieers on the world | 00:45 |
| dos1 | (i don't see "works only in usa" anywhere) | 00:45 |
| dos1 | and hell, I have speakers near the laptop | 00:45 |
| dos1 | I can hear very clearly if my mobile phone is near them :P | 00:46 |
| dos1 | such 3g modem can't get any sms if it's not associated with any base station, and I never heard it associating :P | 00:47 |
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| pdanek | you're right | 01:13 |
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| okias | Hey guys, I noticed neo900 project. Did you looked at Jolla specs? Why can't be used Jolla HW setup for n900? | 01:38 |
| okias | why not join forces with jolla.. | 01:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | Jolla's specs initially were somewhat quite vague. I guess that may have caused Neo900 to go quite a different path, besides both groups now have completely different approaches. | 01:41 |
| okias | I'm afraid that n900 (maemo) model is not enough these days to bring developers make apps :( it needs some marketing.. (at least that Jolla have) | 01:43 |
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| dos1 | well, jolla is just another commercial device | 01:43 |
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| okias | dos1: it's based on opensource.. so.. | 01:43 |
| dos1 | i mean, jolla device, not jolla itself :) | 01:43 |
| dos1 | okias: well, so is android. and what? | 01:43 |
| dos1 | neo900 is open, hackable design in both software and hardware | 01:44 |
| dos1 | continuing openmoko and openphoenux path in this regard | 01:44 |
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| pdanek | neo900 is great initiative but it will never attract mass market | 01:46 |
| pdanek | it will be hackable gadget like OpenMoko Freerunner was. | 01:46 |
| okias | pdanek: :( yeah | 01:46 |
| dos1 | probably | 01:46 |
| psycho_oreos | Nor would Jolla make a nice impact in the already packed handheld market. | 01:46 |
| dos1 | fortunately, it's not meant to be mass market device anyway | 01:46 |
| okias | dos1: and if you remember how openmoko ended (at least in czech republic, everyone was happy when it was released... but usability ?? :D not too much ) | 01:47 |
| pdanek | well Jolla already reached 50 000 preorder registrations | 01:47 |
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| pdanek | and they have a big focus for Chinese market | 01:47 |
| dos1 | okias: yes, and we took the lession from that | 01:47 |
| dos1 | okias: that's why neo900 project is based on both gta04 and maemo | 01:47 |
| okias | dos1: I like hackable things, but you have to spread it into world | 01:47 |
| pdanek | Yea, OpenMoko is legend in Czech, still people are excited about it on every LinuxAlt session in Brno :D | 01:48 |
| okias | dos1: there need to be normal "android-like" apps too | 01:48 |
| psycho_oreos | Android iinm sees 500,000 activation. So what? Jolla still remains niche, at the end of the day. | 01:48 |
| okias | pdanek: as n900 :D | 01:48 |
| dos1 | so from both sw and hw sides we have some good ground to base on | 01:48 |
| dos1 | something that openmoko was clearly missing | 01:48 |
| wmarone | psycho_oreos: everyone is niche at the start | 01:48 |
| okias | dos1: well, sw is little bit deprecated (as I see in my n900 with cssu) | 01:48 |
| psycho_oreos | wmarone, yeah but I wouldn't suspect Jolla to pick up the trend amongst the market where people would either prefer android or iOS. | 01:49 |
| wmarone | prefer? | 01:49 |
| wmarone | or simply choose them because they are the options available? | 01:49 |
| dos1 | okias: but it's there, and it's pretty stable | 01:49 |
| dos1 | and well, this is open platform | 01:49 |
| pdanek | Sailfish is actually very modern & up-to-date OS. | 01:49 |
| okias | dos1: well, in that.. you have right | 01:49 |
| pdanek | And HW-wise, it's "enough." | 01:49 |
| psycho_oreos | No, it's not only because of the options available but because of many factors including their peers and their preferences. | 01:50 |
| dos1 | so no one is limited by any means to just one right OS | 01:50 |
| okias | dos1: well, it just need big community (or company) support | 01:50 |
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| dos1 | okias: small steps first | 01:51 |
| dos1 | something needs to be done before big community or company support can be reached | 01:51 |
| okias | dos1: well, company support it's own product | 01:51 |
| dos1 | and I believe Neo900 is exactly this "something" | 01:51 |
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| dos1 | okias: I mean, "big company" | 01:51 |
| psycho_oreos | If one has an issue with say for example on android, they could ask maybe their next door neighbour who might just happen to own something powered by android. If it was running maemo even for instance, there's very little support in reality. Thereby it forces people to seek support like online where there may find people sharing similar interests. | 01:52 |
| dos1 | let's buy Neo900 as crazy and make Goldelico very big company, so it'll be able to produce more amazing stuff for us! :) | 01:52 |
| dos1 | well | 01:53 |
| okias | dos1: well, for good selling product you need combination good hw+sw... then if you compare goals of neo900(mid-hw)+maemo(x11) vs jolla(high-hw)+jolla(wayland based).. | 01:53 |
| okias | and Jolla will have it hard anyway | 01:54 |
| dos1 | okias: and? jolla device is not interesting for me at all | 01:54 |
| okias | dos1: why not? | 01:54 |
| pdanek | Neo900 will never become real competitor to Jolla. | 01:54 |
| dos1 | unless it'll be as open as freerunner, gta04 or neo900 | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not on our agenda :-) | 01:54 |
| okias | dos1: I hope it will be | 01:54 |
| RiD | I am with you dos1 | 01:54 |
| RiD | i have no interest at jolla | 01:55 |
| dos1 | looks like it won't | 01:55 |
| okias | dos1: why? | 01:55 |
| dos1 | if it will, I'll support them with my whole heart :P | 01:55 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm certain Neo900's goal was to never dominate let alone compete with Jolla. If you look at it from an average Joe's point of view, Neo900 has hardware keyboard and is basically living off the fame of N900, Jolla is more like n9 and would probably attract those who liked n9's style. | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why compete when you can buy ;-P | 01:55 |
| dos1 | okias: it doesn't even look like their own OS will be 100% free | 01:56 |
| pdanek | Jolla is most probably going to have other-half HW keyboard as well | 01:56 |
| pdanek | I think most of N900 users, including me, will just buy Jolla | 01:56 |
| psycho_oreos | The keyword there is: "probably". | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I don't see that yet | 01:56 |
| pdanek | if they didn't switch to Android yet | 01:56 |
| psycho_oreos | Don't forget that. | 01:56 |
| psycho_oreos | So far videos of Jolla released has not demonstrated hardware keyboard. | 01:57 |
| pdanek | small portion of people who had N900 + OpenMoko guys, will go for Neo900 | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I never will go for crappy clumsy c-ts | 01:57 |
| pdanek | ok, most probably | 01:57 |
| RiD | does jolla even support landscape? | 01:57 |
| RiD | apart from maybe videos and games | 01:57 |
| dos1 | pdanek: well, why do you think we aim for selling 200-300 devices? :) | 01:57 |
| psycho_oreos | Nobody also knows what sort of package management, application ecology, etc is like for Jolla. | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | N9 never been a pocket computer, unlike N900 | 01:58 |
| dos1 | we could assume we'll sell 10 000 of them and announce prices based on that assumption from the beginning | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jolla will be the next N9 | 01:58 |
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| dos1 | but we're not doing that | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia NIT series ended with N900 | 01:58 |
| RiD | who knows what will happen in 2018 if nokia doesn't go complete bankrupt | 01:59 |
| RiD | Nokia HAL9000 | 01:59 |
| dos1 | we're perfectly aware about who our target consumer is | 01:59 |
| psycho_oreos | RiD, running windows 8 *snickers* | 01:59 |
| RiD | ha I just tried some nokia windows 8 phone today | 02:00 |
| dos1 | N900 lovers + Openmoko lovers + "I'd buy GTA04 if it had hw keyboard" guys | 02:00 |
| RiD | boring | 02:00 |
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| dos1 | Neo900 is created mainly for those groups in mind | 02:00 |
| okias | so, at least in neo900, will be normal (uncrippled) apt-get ? | 02:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | To be frank nokia sold off their mobile platform branch already to microsoft in a non-exclusive mutual deal. I wouldn't be surprised when the contract ends, nokia would have all these windows developers and their fans looking forward to the next iteration of their mobile platform (let alone if the company still exists). | 02:01 |
| dos1 | of course anyone else is welcomed :) but we don't expect anyone else to go crazy about neo900 | 02:01 |
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| okias | and wayland replacement of x11 would be nice :) | 02:01 |
| dos1 | okias: it's an open platform, just like PC | 02:01 |
| dos1 | okias: you're free to install full Debian GNU/Linux on it | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | okias: no, there will be no OS at all "in Neo900" | 02:02 |
| okias | dos1: as we both know, it will be damn hard to use it as phone | 02:02 |
| dos1 | there's FSO in Debian repo, so it should be even usable as a phone | 02:02 |
| pdanek1 | Look at OpenMoko Freerunner I know people who were excited for it, playing with it etc. | 02:02 |
| pdanek1 | But it was never fully usable device, it was rather a toy. So nobody should expect fully-polished device for end-user experience. | 02:02 |
| dos1 | there were some people using Debian on Freerunner as their main phones | 02:03 |
| okias | dos1: I met them :P it was funny | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pdanek1: so what? | 02:03 |
| dos1 | pdanek1: Neo900 should be just as polished as N900 was | 02:03 |
| psycho_oreos | At the end of the day, you choose what you want to use. Whether you like some commercially made platform and apps then you can get Jolla, otherwise there's Openmoko's Neo900. | 02:03 |
| pdanek1 | DocScrutinizer05: my net is dropping, my sentences are getting lost in context, forget it :D | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I used OM FR for my main and only daily phone for a year | 02:03 |
| dos1 | I'm using OM FR for my main and only daily phone for five years | 02:04 |
| psycho_oreos | There's never a need to be nitpicky about either one or both those platforms, they both have different aims. | 02:04 |
| dos1 | with small break for N900 | 02:04 |
| RiD | i'm... using N900 for my main and only daily phone for 3 years 4 months | 02:04 |
| pdanek1 | dos1: ou! | 02:04 |
| okias | psycho_oreos: yeah, but Jolla has much more powerfull hw | 02:05 |
| dos1 | psycho_oreos: +1 | 02:05 |
| okias | psycho_oreos: you know, sometimes you need crack some wpa on your phone :P | 02:05 |
| psycho_oreos | okias, again you're comparing two different perspectives which I was pointing out earlier that it was the wrong idea. | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | okias: really? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.jollausers.com/2013/09/jollaspex | 02:06 |
| okias | DocScrutinizer05: with n900 I never tried :P but it would be nice | 02:06 |
| psycho_oreos | okias, WPA is not crackable in the near future if one has enforced proper security measures. Don't even go onto WPA cracking for handheld's, it'll take you years. | 02:06 |
| RiD | decades | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WPA is not cracked yet | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither on handheld nor on a grid | 02:07 |
| okias | .. okey, wrong word... bruteforcing | 02:07 |
| psycho_oreos | Some people think it is, though there are some chinks within WPA, notably WPS and maybe TKIP implementation. Though it is still remotely impossible to crack it with virtually any handheld. | 02:07 |
| okias | well, I should just say WEP | 02:08 |
| psycho_oreos | N900 already can break WEP, WEP is old and is getting phased out. | 02:08 |
| dos1 | WEP should be crackable in matter of seconds even on Freerunner :) | 02:08 |
| okias | i knowwww :D | 02:08 |
| okias | that's why I said wpa :P | 02:08 |
| RiD | no one uses WEP anymore | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway completely missing the point | 02:08 |
| psycho_oreos | If you want to live in the past and think that everyone still uses WEP, then by all means go ahead. | 02:08 |
| pdanek1 | They do! | 02:08 |
| okias | RiD: .... | 02:08 |
| RiD | okias: .... | 02:09 |
| okias | RiD: you'll be suprised.. thanks god for these sharing people :D | 02:09 |
| ecc3g | I'm using WEP... on my N900 MHS... ouch... | 02:09 |
| dos1 | funny unrelated note: "free" in Polish is "wolny", which has also different meaning: slow | 02:09 |
| psycho_oreos | There are some companies that still uses WEP with their legacy products. Though a security-savvy person would instantly force WPA. | 02:09 |
| pdanek1 | yes, just now connected to one WEP wifi in nearby flat | 02:09 |
| dos1 | Freerunner is pretty funny name for GTA02 when taking that into account :) | 02:09 |
| pdanek1 | WEP is like public wifi :D for some people | 02:10 |
| psycho_oreos | People in my neighbour all use WPA, I'd have to get some huge antenna to even pick up a remote WEP AP> | 02:10 |
| pdanek1 | so I'm just fortunate :D | 02:10 |
| okias | psycho_oreos: rather try sneak in with ethernet cable and enter user admin, pass admin >D | 02:11 |
| okias | :D | 02:11 |
| okias | then read WPA password :D | 02:11 |
| RiD | ^ | 02:11 |
| psycho_oreos | :p | 02:11 |
| RiD | that's how I did for my neighbour | 02:11 |
| psycho_oreos | brb | 02:11 |
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| pdanek1 | Is it immoral to use neighbour's WEP Wi-fi for more than half year? Nice and stable 10mbit, gratis. | 02:14 |
| pdanek1 | Maybe I should leave them a chocolate in front of door when I will leave my current rented flat, with a message to change their WEP. | 02:15 |
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| RiD | "wep? what is wep?" | 02:22 |
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| okias | divVerent: ping, you tried compile mpv on maemo? | 02:24 |
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| okias | and dont forget to make neo900 multipath tcp enabled :P | 02:36 |
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| divVerent | 01:24:19 okias | divVerent: ping, you tried compile mpv on maemo? | 07:40 |
| divVerent | no, not yet | 07:40 |
| divVerent | don't expect this to go well anyway | 07:40 |
| divVerent | did already anyone build sdl2 for maemo? | 07:40 |
| divVerent | the only maemo supported vo of mpv would be x11 (forget it), xv (I heared Xv extension is there but broken on Maemo) and sdl2 (via GLES2) | 07:41 |
| divVerent | even IF it should work, it'd eat battery like hell | 07:41 |
| divVerent | to properly run on Maemo, probably this omx thing would need supporting for the HW overlay | 07:41 |
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| kerio | pdanek: it's probably immoral | 08:51 |
| kerio | but who cares? | 08:51 |
| psycho_oreos | Unless you happen to be that unfortunate owner whom is footing the bill and any civil liabilities for allowing someone to carry out malicious acts using another person's identity. | 09:00 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. footing the bill and impersonation. | 09:00 |
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| pdanek | I see. | 09:08 |
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| * psycho_oreos certainly wouldn't want a 'freeloader' that would do businesses with say for instance terrorists groups and all of the sudden have feds knocking on my door. :p | 09:17 | |
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| kwtm | is there a sendmail client or equivalent like msmtp that we can use to directly send email without using the N900's GUI email program? | 10:38 |
| Pali | kwtm: compile and use msmtp | 10:45 |
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| kwtm | Pali: Ah, so msmtp is available. Will look into it. Unfortunately I will not have time to figure out how to compile before I need it (perhaps another day) so if it does need to be compiled I'll have to look for alternatives. Thx. | 10:47 |
| kwtm | Pali: I don't suppose there's some SMTP program that is installed by default that the Nokia app uses? | 10:47 |
| Pali | I think these is only modest mail client | 10:47 |
| Pali | nothing more | 10:47 |
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| int_ua | Why doesn't hildon-desktop have niceness of -5 or less? I've tried -10 and didn't see any drawbacks, only impovements in responsiveness. | 13:20 |
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| int_ua | Also, while using swap on SD it looks like file transfers doesn't slow down the system as much as with swap on emmc. Does something uses swap to download files before writing them to the actual location? | 13:27 |
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| int_ua | Although, nice in /etc/event.d/hildon-desktop doesn't seem to work | 13:28 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | int_ua: this is one of the main benefits to swap on uSD | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (niceness) yes, should be, dunno if or why it isn't. (swap) indeed that's exactly what kills performance on e.g. large copy operations: buffers in RAM cause swap activity | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swappiness=100 doing that to the system | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also mmc-queue-nr or whatever the name of that parameter | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | having a large number of queue entries inproves performance for many tiny writes since the fs-driver can concatenate them into one write of ideally flashpage size. OTOH many queue entries also mean many buffers in RAM which in turn swaps out all the program text | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus for slightly larger chunk writes a huge number of queue entries is detrimental | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which bites your ass on e.g. `cp -r $uSD/* MyDocs/ ` | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the swap "pressure" crated by the lots of buffers cp will create results in all other tasks constantly swapping out and then in again when they need to run | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this constant swapping brings system to a grinding halt that even can result in watchdog booting the system | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and, kswapd isn't preempt-able | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as kernel - for even a low-prio task - needs to swap in some missing pages, the system is "frozen" inside kswapd and no other task fill run until the swap event got completed | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all of the above disclaimer: aiui | 17:30 |
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| lizardo | DocScrutinizer05: are you working on fixing www.scratchbox.org ? | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly, what's to fix with it? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maintainer of that "domain" is thedead1440 | 20:37 |
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| kerio | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 21:16 |
| kerio | libsystemd-daemon0 | 21:16 |
| kerio | SO IT BEGINS | 21:16 |
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| kolp | o.O | 21:20 |
| kerio | i'm sure it's just for some optional daemonization for something | 21:23 |
| kerio | but still | 21:23 |
| kolp | Which distro is that? | 21:29 |
| kerio | deb | 21:34 |
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| Pali | what debian and systemd together? | 21:47 |
| Pali | now? | 21:47 |
| Pali | WTF? | 21:47 |
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| Pali | kerio: do you want that all people here on #maemo will need to see a doctor?? | 21:49 |
| wnd | Priority: extra | 21:49 |
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| kerio | well | 21:49 |
| Pali | see above "... has quit" messages... | 21:49 |
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| kerio | apparently it's only depended upon by systemd, python-systemd, libsystemd-daemon-dev, syslog-ng-core, php5-fpm, mpd, transmission-daemon | 21:50 |
| kerio | and meh, it's just a lib | 21:50 |
| Pali | somebody already got headache ^^ | 21:51 |
| Pali | syslog?? | 21:51 |
| Pali | php?? | 21:51 |
| Pali | mpd?? | 21:51 |
| wnd | iirc debian unstable has had sysv, upstart and systemd for some years now | 21:51 |
| kerio | This package provides the Fast Process Manager interpreter that runs as a daemon and receives Fast/CGI requests. | 21:51 |
| kerio | wnd: exactly | 21:51 |
| Pali | what would be next getty? | 21:51 |
| kerio | it still defaults to sysv though :3 | 21:52 |
| wnd | as it should until all issues are ironed out | 21:52 |
| Pali | systemd is one big issue | 21:52 |
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| kerio | Pali: i think it's to offer multiple init scripts | 21:52 |
| kerio | but still :v | 21:52 |
| Pali | why debian cannot use openrc? | 21:53 |
| Pali | but must start using that systemd? | 21:53 |
| Wizzup | debian will use openrc I think | 21:54 |
| kerio | Pali: hold your horses | 21:55 |
| kerio | there's support | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *I* already got headache | 21:59 |
| Wizzup | and is debian really going to systemd? I hope not | 22:00 |
| * Wizzup cherishes his gentoo | 22:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | latest OpenSuse already declares sysV-init "unsupported, please check systemd if you experience any problems during boot" >:-(( | 22:01 |
| Wizzup | all sanity is lost | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suckers | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems like redhat CEO actually wears a red hat | 22:03 |
| kerio | didn't debian switch to upstart for a while? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise they would've fired lennart long ago | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and OpenSuse sheep following that nonsense :-/ | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a shame | 22:05 |
| wnd | http://people.debian.org/~biebl/lpc-2010/debian-init.pdf : "there is no mechanism in Debian to force something like systemd into the distribution, but having -- makes such a large transition possible" | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 22:06 |
| kerio | "acknowledge that Debian users are more conservative and expect that upgrades don't break their system" | 22:07 |
| kerio | haha | 22:07 |
| kerio | hahahah | 22:07 |
| kerio | are you fucking kidding me | 22:07 |
| kerio | hahahahahah | 22:07 |
| kerio | "guys, these users actually expect shit to not break horribly" | 22:07 |
| Pali | kerio: start supporting kfreebsd port of debian | 22:08 |
| kerio | hell no | 22:09 |
| Pali | then systemd cannot be part of debian | 22:09 |
| Pali | because bsd is incompatible with systemd | 22:09 |
| dos1 | don't worry, systemd won't be default in Debian | 22:13 |
| dos1 | it's already supported for a long time as an option | 22:14 |
| Pali | I think it will be... | 22:14 |
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| Pali | in every distribution somebody forced systemd | 22:14 |
| dos1 | it can't, thanks to Debian GNU/kFreeBSD and Debian GNU/Hurd | 22:15 |
| Pali | and this system shit is everywhere... | 22:15 |
| Pali | some future gnome version want to have system shit dependency | 22:15 |
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| pdanek | http://youtu.be/rWux-PA6JCU | 22:16 |
| Pali | and if this gnome do, then also other developers of others DE got this stupid idea... | 22:16 |
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| Pali | and some other devs of some other sw start doing similar... because DE already using it | 22:17 |
| Pali | and we will see system shit everywhere | 22:17 |
| Pali | look what happened with PA | 22:18 |
| Pali | now maybe every app has support for PA | 22:18 |
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| Pali | and some will drop alsa support | 22:18 |
| dos1 | so? I don't have PA installed on my Debian | 22:18 |
| dos1 | everything works well | 22:18 |
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| Pali | then its ok | 22:21 |
| Pali | but I'am afraid of systemd... | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] autobuilder VM paused for maintenance, ETA now+24h | 22:21 |
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| robotanarchy | I also hate systemd >_> | 22:54 |
| wnd | echo -e "Package: pulseaudio\nPin: origin ""\ŋPin-Priority: -1" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/no-pulseaudio # wtf :-) | 22:56 |
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| wnd | erm, s/wtf/ftw/ | 22:56 |
| wnd | still, there are already packages that hard-depend on PA :-( | 22:59 |
| wnd | even when the application in question has a configure option to be compiled with alsa | 22:59 |
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