IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-10-01

DocScrutinizer05xes: right, it won't silence a call when it already *is* (thinking it's) face-down00:02
DocScrutinizer05so my idea of an explanation won't fly00:02
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tomreynhmm yeah it's just for snoozing during incoming call00:04 least is a good starting point ;)00:05
tomreyni was thinking maybe it's surveillance and they 'just' fail to do it properly. but that'd be a lot of failure.00:06
tomreynyes thanks for digging up that post.00:06
DocScrutinizer05if you need more "useful hinting babbling": taking long term protocols of d-bus (use dbus-monitor) plus syslog should reveal what's going on00:10
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DocScrutinizer05tomreyn: do you have any "per contact ringtone" extension installed?00:51
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tomreynDocScrutinizer05: none00:58
DocScrutinizer05well, "good" then it can't be that either00:58
DocScrutinizer05it most probably as well can't be PA since that wouldn't explain missing vibrator00:59
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tomreyndo you know whether the information on whether an incoming call / text message has been received and whether to sound the ring tone / sms received signal are passed down from the baseband module to the OS separately?01:00
tomreynand thanks for heelping me rule things out :)01:02
DocScrutinizer05no, the modem only talks to linux-land that an event occurred01:03
DocScrutinizer05it's so called "unsolicited messages"01:03
tomreyni get those by e-mail all the time01:04
DocScrutinizer05it's like "RING: <phonenumber>"01:04
tomreyni see. does this go into some system log?01:05
tomreynwhat about text messages?01:05
DocScrutinizer05depends on a few config settings, mainly around CSD01:05
tomreyn"TEXT: <phonenumber>"01:05
DocScrutinizer05SMS all the same, basically01:05
tomreynhmm but the phone has to ring until the caller hangs up (or the call is received)01:06
tomreynso actually more info needs to be passed, no?01:06
DocScrutinizer05it's a tad more complicated with SMS since they can get stored inside modem until the AP side is fetching them01:06
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DocScrutinizer05with calls there is another unsolicited msg that tells AP that modem inboung call quit01:07
tomreyni see, thanks for explaining01:08
DocScrutinizer05you can watch all this on d-bus01:08
tomreyni'm not really into d-bus01:09
DocScrutinizer05check out dbus-monitor01:09
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tomreynwill do soon01:10
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int_uaWhy is /usr/bin/photolightmeter so suspiciously huge? It's double the size of OMP and Xorg while being just a couple of buttons in UI06:49
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DocScrutinizer05congrats USA! the teaparty reps took you as hostage07:12
int_uawhat's that about?07:12
ecc3gpeople don't want to pay their taxes07:12
ecc3gpeople don't want to work either... then again nobody offering jobs07:14
ecc3gUSA = one messed up financial system07:14
int_uaIs it just thinking around or something happened that I've missed?07:16
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ecc3gnah, dont think anyone really should care about it except us who are in the US.07:17
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DocScrutinizer05well, seems like all government employees have unpaid offtime from now on, thanks to teaparty minority even in republican party that thinks they can rule the US and roll back legally installed laws07:32
DocScrutinizer05all companies waiting for government paying their invoices will get into trouble as well07:33
doc|homesuch is life when you run such a massive deficit07:33
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DocScrutinizer05I hope the sane 50% of americans will lynch the tea party fools07:34
doc|homenice, advocacy of violence07:34
DocScrutinizer05well, violence is what stops violence07:35
doc|homewhat violence is being stopped again?07:36
DocScrutinizer05and to me it pretty much looks like the tea party dudes are the aggressors07:36
jonwilThe real problem is that no-one on either side of politics in the US is willing to do any of the things that will actually FIX the US economy or the federal budget07:37
doc|homeI have no love for them, but that's easily one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen07:37
doc|homejonwil: indeed07:37
jonwilbecause the things that will fix the economy and budget are things that will hurt the big corporations who donate most of the lobbying money to US politicans07:37
doc|homejonwil: and will hurt the huge number of people who get a government pay cheque with it07:38
DocScrutinizer05tea party killing families that suddenly have no income, so what's wrong about hoping for the sane half of population kicking ass of those 1% that really has never grown a brain?07:39
doc|homeoh fuck, you're a 1% person07:39
doc|homeand while CS may have "Christian" in the name (which I'm not) it's reporting is pretty good07:41
doc|homethe only things being shut down are "non-essential services", even those have >6% of staff still at work07:41
DocScrutinizer05ooh, great07:42
doc|homeyou're just plain wrong, but you're continuing?07:42
jonwilIncrease taxes on wall street and the big end of town, cut spending on crap that the US doesn't need (like some of the really expensive defense, infrastructure and security projects that do nothing except benefit whichever big company had the right connections to win the bid) and use the extra money that the government now has to fund new-deal style massive job-creating projects07:44
jonwilPlenty of projects the US could spend money on that would create real jobs for real Americans right now07:45
jonwilif they stpped spending money on things they dont need (like expensive new toys for the military that do nothing except line the pockets of defense contractors)07:45
DocScrutinizer05I'm just rolling on the floor laughing my ass off when I watch a nations that tries to export democracy to the world (with rifles and bombs if needed) now performs like... I dunno a good word to describe what's going on but it's not exactly any form of democracy07:46
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jonwilA lot of it has to do with propaganda07:47
jonwilRupert Murdoch and his Fox empire have a propaganda machine that makes the Nazi propaganda under Goebbels seem pathetic by comparison07:48
DocScrutinizer05quite possible07:48
jonwilHis newspapers are barely fit for wrapping fish & chips in, let alone actually reading07:48
DocScrutinizer05well, I don't ever ready or listen to any of that stuff07:49
jonwilI dont either07:49
jonwilToo bad he part-owns the only Pay TV operation in Australia07:49
jonwilThe other owner is just as evil (Telstra, the formerly government-owned and still incumbent telco)07:50
DocScrutinizer05for me from my supposedly relatively neutral unbiased european news it looks like tea party wants to stop obama care like they always did (somthing that's not really understood here in europe at all, where we think the society should take care about every member, and obama care looks quite natural to us, we basically always had that) - and now tea party took whole government institutions and their employees as hostages07:53
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DocScrutinizer05maybe I'm terribly poorly informed, then sorry07:55
DocScrutinizer05I admit I haven't read either obama care law texts nor the tea party webpage07:55
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: actually, obamacare isn't even close to what's normal for europeans08:15
keriobut it's a step in the right direction, or something08:15
DocScrutinizer05yeah, still feels like third world to us, but it's at least a little step in right direction aiui08:16
DocScrutinizer05dang, how did we even find same words? :-)08:16
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tzafrir_laptopI'm trying to figure out what the software on neo900 should be:11:00
tzafrir_laptopShould it run basically the same software included in maemo 5?11:00
tzafrir_laptopOr a newer version based on Debian Stable / Linaro with a more recent kernel?11:01
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kolptzafrir_laptop: As far as I understand, the idea is to be able to port maemo so that it remains binary compatible11:05
kolpYou'd be able to run anything you can run on the N900, unless it depends specifically on Neo900 hardware bits11:06
tzafrir_laptopHmm... this is a rather ancient stack by now11:06
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tzafrir_laptopOne minor issue I had recently: the timezone defenitions are part of the package libc6 in maemo11:06
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kolpUpdates / rebasing are parallel projects11:07
tzafrir_laptopWhereas in recent Debian they are in a separate package, tzdata. This makes them trivial to upgrade11:07
kolpThing susch as11:07
kolps/Thing susch as /Such things should be adressed in e.g. CSSU and are independent of the porting of maemo to the Neo90011:08
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int_uaWhat's the key for Delete in the Xephyr under SDK?13:19
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int_uaWhat's the status if Red Pill mode?13:45
int_uaI cannot activate it in SDK13:45
int_uaokay, it doesn't exist anymore. But what about downloading packages from
int_uaI tried to install extkbd because there's not Delete neither Backspace are functional13:49
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int_uaAnyone here with the SDK in VM?13:50
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meemoeHas anybody else experienced problems receiving emails with modest imap after /home had run full once?16:42
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DocScrutinizer05wouldn't surprise me16:48
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meemoei know, i'm sorry, too.16:53
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meemoeDeleting and re-creating the account helped.17:09
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int_uaHi. I'm currently digging the ssh-status and having problem with sudo. It just doesn't work in the sdk chroot. Any way to fix that?18:47
thedead1440lol while reading the backlog for a moment i thought DocScrutinizer05 started arguing with himself (doc|home) only to realize it was actually 2 different people later... too many docs in a chan confuse people :D18:50
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DocScrutinizer05only doc.*zer is the real one :-)18:58
DocScrutinizer05and that's the only regex that gives me highlight18:59
DocScrutinizer05(well, nit really, there's also docsc.*)18:59
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int_uaOk, I've replaced the sudo binary with sh script that contains fakeroot $@19:26
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: pal: interested in porting another driver to fremantle KP?  ECI headset multibutton20:21
DocScrutinizer05the N900 schematics already labeled the 3 wires "ECI"20:23
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lastaidhello there :)20:29
lastaidi am currently working on a n900 client for the metawatch, and i want to know if there is any way i can intercept notifications20:30
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll /sys/devices/platform/ECI*20:31
DocScrutinizer05ls: Zugriff auf /sys/devices/platform/ECI* nicht möglich: No such file or directory20:31
DocScrutinizer05lastaid: which notifications?20:32
DocScrutinizer05basically no, for the general notification there's no way to intercept it afaik20:33
DocScrutinizer05you can monitor for notification signals on dbus20:33
DocScrutinizer05with a lot of dirty hacking you even might be able to write some "interceptor" when you create an own dedicated dbus-bus (besides session and system bus) and a intercepting bridge20:34
DocScrutinizer05lastaid: prolly you need to elaborate on what exactly you want to do20:35
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lastaidi am writing a python scrypt20:37
lastaidthat uses part of the from n900 notify, it listens for a dbus signal signaling an incoming call or an sms20:37
lastaidbut thats the limitation of that20:37
lastaidi want to get more messages, like skype and gtalk20:37
lastaidby getting all notifications as an event, i can pipe those to my other script that connects to my smartwatch20:38
lastaidand just display those20:38
DocScrutinizer05well, so your question is?20:38
DocScrutinizer05"how to detect inbound skype calls"?20:38
DocScrutinizer05both SMS and inbound calls of any origin/transport are visible on dbus as signals/messages20:39
DocScrutinizer05actually I'd dare to say the difference between GSM and skype/voip inbound calls is marginal on that level20:40
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DocScrutinizer05probably just the "account" value in dbus message differs20:41
lastaidmh ...20:43
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lastaidmy primary question is if i can tap into the notification bus20:43
DocScrutinizer05no idea about though20:43
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DocScrutinizer05there is no notification bus, there are messages on session dbus20:44
lastaidwhere exactly?20:44
lastaidi am looking through this all day, but the documentation is scarse20:45
DocScrutinizer05sorry I dunno dbus msgs by heart. I suggest you use dbus-monitor and find out by yourself20:45
lastaiddbus mo nitor?20:45
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# dbus-monitor --help20:46
DocScrutinizer05Usage: dbus-monitor [--system | --session] [--monitor | --profile ] [watch expressions]20:46
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DocScrutinizer05>>...l status, get notified about calls etc) <<20:47
DocScrutinizer05for SIP and Skype this might differ20:48
DocScrutinizer05but the message is probably the same20:48
lastaidthanks, was not aware of that program20:49
DocScrutinizer05since after all the same receiver acts identically on SIP and GSM inbound calls20:49
DocScrutinizer05(receiver as in "destination" of dbus)20:49
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DocScrutinizer05I honestly suggest you write a typical onbound-call session via dbus-monitor to a file, for all types of inbound events you're interested in, then have a meditation on it for 1..2h and spot the messages you can use to trigger whatever you are interested in20:51
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DocScrutinizer05there are apps that act on inbound SMS vith a certain content, so those apps will most definitely listen to some SMS inbound event20:52
DocScrutinizer05there are also apps that change ringtone for certain specific contact, so those apps will definitely listen to inbound-call event and analyze the caller number attached to that event's dbus data payload20:53
DocScrutinizer05and in the end there is maemo-dialer that invariably pops up for any inbound voice call afaik20:54
DocScrutinizer05it also listens to dbus signals and acts on them20:55
lastaidi got  tap on the dbus now ^^20:57
DocScrutinizer05actually it even acts on inbound Supplementary Service Codes and USSD responses as well, which is hard to intercept and stop. Not exactly always what you want to see when you e.g. write an app that sends "*100#" to query your account and then wants to display that account balance in a dedicated GUI rather than have dialer pop up and present the "raw" response text. You can find a ticket in b.m.o about the missing way to avoid dialer20:58
DocScrutinizer05popping up, aka "intercept that dbus signal"20:58
DocScrutinizer05pretty obvious and undisputed API design flaw20:59
DocScrutinizer05"WONTFIX" ;-P21:00
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DocScrutinizer05lastaid: most likely your signals will show up on session bus, but I can't guarantee it. So you probably should dbus-monitor both session and system bus21:03
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DocScrutinizer05actually it's a pretty interesting and arguable question whether an inbound call is owned by system or by session (and when by session then by which user's session). Even more funny to discuss than consolekit and the question who owns camera or audio21:09
DocScrutinizer05I *think* on maemo they decided that calls are a session thing21:09
DocScrutinizer05IOW owned by user who logged in21:10
DocScrutinizer05which makes some sense, regarding that user "logs in" by SIM PIN21:10
ruskiehmm anyone tried a sailfish or a tizien device yet?21:10
DocScrutinizer05yes, some jolla employees21:11
DocScrutinizer05I heard some are using a jolla sailfish device as their daily phone21:11
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