| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: right, it won't silence a call when it already *is* (thinking it's) face-down | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so my idea of an explanation won't fly | 00:02 |
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| tomreyn | hmm yeah it's just for snoozing during incoming call | 00:04 |
| xes | ..at least is a good starting point ;) | 00:05 |
| tomreyn | i was thinking maybe it's surveillance and they 'just' fail to do it properly. but that'd be a lot of failure. | 00:06 |
| tomreyn | yes thanks for digging up that post. | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you need more "useful hinting babbling": taking long term protocols of d-bus (use dbus-monitor) plus syslog should reveal what's going on | 00:10 |
| tomreyn | thanks | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tomreyn: do you have any "per contact ringtone" extension installed? | 00:51 |
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| tomreyn | DocScrutinizer05: none | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, "good" then it can't be that either | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it most probably as well can't be PA since that wouldn't explain missing vibrator | 00:59 |
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| tomreyn | do you know whether the information on whether an incoming call / text message has been received and whether to sound the ring tone / sms received signal are passed down from the baseband module to the OS separately? | 01:00 |
| tomreyn | and thanks for heelping me rule things out :) | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, the modem only talks to linux-land that an event occurred | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's so called "unsolicited messages" | 01:03 |
| tomreyn | i get those by e-mail all the time | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's like "RING: <phonenumber>" | 01:04 |
| tomreyn | i see. does this go into some system log? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | partially | 01:05 |
| tomreyn | what about text messages? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on a few config settings, mainly around CSD | 01:05 |
| tomreyn | "TEXT: <phonenumber>" | 01:05 |
| tomreyn | ? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SMS all the same, basically | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 01:05 |
| tomreyn | hmm but the phone has to ring until the caller hangs up (or the call is received) | 01:06 |
| tomreyn | so actually more info needs to be passed, no? | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad more complicated with SMS since they can get stored inside modem until the AP side is fetching them | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with calls there is another unsolicited msg that tells AP that modem inboung call quit | 01:07 |
| tomreyn | i see, thanks for explaining | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can watch all this on d-bus | 01:08 |
| tomreyn | i'm not really into d-bus | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check out dbus-monitor | 01:09 |
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| tomreyn | will do soon | 01:10 |
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| int_ua | Why is /usr/bin/photolightmeter so suspiciously huge? It's double the size of OMP and Xorg while being just a couple of buttons in UI | 06:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | congrats USA! the teaparty reps took you as hostage | 07:12 |
| int_ua | what's that about? | 07:12 |
| ecc3g | people don't want to pay their taxes | 07:12 |
| ecc3g | people don't want to work either... then again nobody offering jobs | 07:14 |
| ecc3g | USA = one messed up financial system | 07:14 |
| int_ua | Is it just thinking around or something happened that I've missed? | 07:16 |
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| ecc3g | nah, dont think anyone really should care about it except us who are in the US. | 07:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, seems like all government employees have unpaid offtime from now on, thanks to teaparty minority even in republican party that thinks they can rule the US and roll back legally installed laws | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all companies waiting for government paying their invoices will get into trouble as well | 07:33 |
| doc|home | such is life when you run such a massive deficit | 07:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope the sane 50% of americans will lynch the tea party fools | 07:34 |
| doc|home | nice, advocacy of violence | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, violence is what stops violence | 07:35 |
| doc|home | what violence is being stopped again? | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and to me it pretty much looks like the tea party dudes are the aggressors | 07:36 |
| jonwil | The real problem is that no-one on either side of politics in the US is willing to do any of the things that will actually FIX the US economy or the federal budget | 07:37 |
| doc|home | I have no love for them, but that's easily one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen | 07:37 |
| doc|home | jonwil: indeed | 07:37 |
| jonwil | because the things that will fix the economy and budget are things that will hurt the big corporations who donate most of the lobbying money to US politicans | 07:37 |
| doc|home | jonwil: and will hurt the huge number of people who get a government pay cheque with it | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tea party killing families that suddenly have no income, so what's wrong about hoping for the sane half of population kicking ass of those 1% that really has never grown a brain? | 07:39 |
| doc|home | oh fuck, you're a 1% person | 07:39 |
| doc|home | http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0408/Government-shutdown-101-Will-Social-Security-and-Medicare-be-affected | 07:41 |
| doc|home | and while CS may have "Christian" in the name (which I'm not) it's reporting is pretty good | 07:41 |
| doc|home | the only things being shut down are "non-essential services", even those have >6% of staff still at work | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, great | 07:42 |
| doc|home | what? | 07:42 |
| doc|home | you're just plain wrong, but you're continuing? | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind | 07:42 |
| doc|home | ok | 07:42 |
| jonwil | Increase taxes on wall street and the big end of town, cut spending on crap that the US doesn't need (like some of the really expensive defense, infrastructure and security projects that do nothing except benefit whichever big company had the right connections to win the bid) and use the extra money that the government now has to fund new-deal style massive job-creating projects | 07:44 |
| jonwil | Plenty of projects the US could spend money on that would create real jobs for real Americans right now | 07:45 |
| jonwil | if they stpped spending money on things they dont need (like expensive new toys for the military that do nothing except line the pockets of defense contractors) | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just rolling on the floor laughing my ass off when I watch a nations that tries to export democracy to the world (with rifles and bombs if needed) now performs like... I dunno a good word to describe what's going on but it's not exactly any form of democracy | 07:46 |
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| jonwil | A lot of it has to do with propaganda | 07:47 |
| jonwil | Rupert Murdoch and his Fox empire have a propaganda machine that makes the Nazi propaganda under Goebbels seem pathetic by comparison | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible | 07:48 |
| jonwil | His newspapers are barely fit for wrapping fish & chips in, let alone actually reading | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I don't ever ready or listen to any of that stuff | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | read | 07:49 |
| jonwil | I dont either | 07:49 |
| jonwil | Too bad he part-owns the only Pay TV operation in Australia | 07:49 |
| jonwil | The other owner is just as evil (Telstra, the formerly government-owned and still incumbent telco) | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for me from my supposedly relatively neutral unbiased european news it looks like tea party wants to stop obama care like they always did (somthing that's not really understood here in europe at all, where we think the society should take care about every member, and obama care looks quite natural to us, we basically always had that) - and now tea party took whole government institutions and their employees as hostages | 07:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I'm terribly poorly informed, then sorry | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I haven't read either obama care law texts nor the tea party webpage | 07:55 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: actually, obamacare isn't even close to what's normal for europeans | 08:15 |
| kerio | but it's a step in the right direction, or something | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, still feels like third world to us, but it's at least a little step in right direction aiui | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, how did we even find same words? :-) | 08:16 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | I'm trying to figure out what the software on neo900 should be: | 11:00 |
| tzafrir_laptop | Should it run basically the same software included in maemo 5? | 11:00 |
| tzafrir_laptop | Or a newer version based on Debian Stable / Linaro with a more recent kernel? | 11:01 |
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| kolp | tzafrir_laptop: As far as I understand, the idea is to be able to port maemo so that it remains binary compatible | 11:05 |
| kolp | You'd be able to run anything you can run on the N900, unless it depends specifically on Neo900 hardware bits | 11:06 |
| tzafrir_laptop | Hmm... this is a rather ancient stack by now | 11:06 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | One minor issue I had recently: the timezone defenitions are part of the package libc6 in maemo | 11:06 |
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| kolp | Updates / rebasing are parallel projects | 11:07 |
| tzafrir_laptop | Whereas in recent Debian they are in a separate package, tzdata. This makes them trivial to upgrade | 11:07 |
| kolp | Thing susch as | 11:07 |
| kolp | s/Thing susch as /Such things should be adressed in e.g. CSSU and are independent of the porting of maemo to the Neo900 | 11:08 |
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| int_ua | What's the key for Delete in the Xephyr under SDK? | 13:19 |
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| int_ua | What's the status if Red Pill mode? | 13:45 |
| int_ua | I cannot activate it in SDK | 13:45 |
| int_ua | okay, it doesn't exist anymore. But what about downloading packages from download.maemo.nokia.com? | 13:47 |
| int_ua | I tried to install extkbd because there's not Delete neither Backspace are functional | 13:49 |
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| int_ua | Anyone here with the SDK in VM? | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | moinmoin | 16:35 |
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| meemoe | Has anybody else experienced problems receiving emails with modest imap after /home had run full once? | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't surprise me | 16:48 |
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| meemoe | i know, i'm sorry, too. | 16:53 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/its_alive_nokia_breathes_lightning_into_lumia_925/ | 16:56 |
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| meemoe | Deleting and re-creating the account helped. | 17:09 |
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| int_ua | Hi. I'm currently digging the ssh-status and having problem with sudo. It just doesn't work in the sdk chroot. Any way to fix that? | 18:47 |
| thedead1440 | lol while reading the backlog for a moment i thought DocScrutinizer05 started arguing with himself (doc|home) only to realize it was actually 2 different people later... too many docs in a chan confuse people :D | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | only doc.*zer is the real one :-) | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's the only regex that gives me highlight | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (well, nit really, there's also docsc.*) | 18:59 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 19:03 |
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| int_ua | Ok, I've replaced the sudo binary with sh script that contains fakeroot $@ | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon_: pal: interested in porting another driver to fremantle KP? http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=601.0 ECI headset multibutton | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pali^^^ | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the N900 schematics already labeled the 3 wires "ECI" | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/ohm-plugins-misc/commit/5a3e156709f24eeb8fba5a313035dd8eb4d6ac4d | 20:25 |
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| lastaid | hello there :) | 20:29 |
| lastaid | i am currently working on a n900 client for the metawatch, and i want to know if there is any way i can intercept notifications | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon_: | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /sys/devices/platform/ECI* | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ls: Zugriff auf /sys/devices/platform/ECI* nicht möglich: No such file or directory | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/ohm-plugins-misc/source/c2ef14d5561af0ff792cead9e531249b72bdbc49:plugins/accessories/wired.c#L51 | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lastaid: which notifications? | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically no, for the general notification there's no way to intercept it afaik | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can monitor for notification signals on dbus | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with a lot of dirty hacking you even might be able to write some "interceptor" when you create an own dedicated dbus-bus (besides session and system bus) and a intercepting bridge | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lastaid: prolly you need to elaborate on what exactly you want to do | 20:35 |
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| lastaid | ok | 20:36 |
| lastaid | i am writing a python scrypt | 20:37 |
| lastaid | that uses part of the client.py from n900 notify, it listens for a dbus signal signaling an incoming call or an sms | 20:37 |
| lastaid | but thats the limitation of that | 20:37 |
| lastaid | i want to get more messages, like skype and gtalk | 20:37 |
| lastaid | by getting all notifications as an event, i can pipe those to my other script that connects to my smartwatch | 20:38 |
| lastaid | and just display those | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, so your question is? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "how to detect inbound skype calls"? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both SMS and inbound calls of any origin/transport are visible on dbus as signals/messages | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'd dare to say the difference between GSM and skype/voip inbound calls is marginal on that level | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | probably just the "account" value in dbus message differs | 20:41 |
| lastaid | mh ... | 20:43 |
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| lastaid | my primary question is if i can tap into the notification bus | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea about client.py though | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there is no notification bus, there are messages on session dbus | 20:44 |
| lastaid | ok | 20:44 |
| lastaid | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_dbus | 20:44 |
| lastaid | where exactly? | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 20:44 |
| lastaid | :d | 20:44 |
| lastaid | i am looking through this all day, but the documentation is scarse | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I dunno dbus msgs by heart. I suggest you use dbus-monitor and find out by yourself | 20:45 |
| lastaid | dbus mo nitor? | 20:45 |
| lastaid | ? | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# dbus-monitor --help | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Usage: dbus-monitor [--system | --session] [--monitor | --profile ] [watch expressions] | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_dbus#com.nokia.csd.Call | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>...l status, get notified about calls etc) << | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for SIP and Skype this might differ | 20:48 |
| lastaid | jepp | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the message is probably the same | 20:48 |
| lastaid | thanks, was not aware of that program | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since after all the same receiver acts identically on SIP and GSM inbound calls | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (receiver as in "destination" of dbus) | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly suggest you write a typical onbound-call session via dbus-monitor to a file, for all types of inbound events you're interested in, then have a meditation on it for 1..2h and spot the messages you can use to trigger whatever you are interested in | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inbound* | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are apps that act on inbound SMS vith a certain content, so those apps will most definitely listen to some SMS inbound event | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are also apps that change ringtone for certain specific contact, so those apps will definitely listen to inbound-call event and analyze the caller number attached to that event's dbus data payload | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and in the end there is maemo-dialer that invariably pops up for any inbound voice call afaik | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it also listens to dbus signals and acts on them | 20:55 |
| lastaid | i got tap on the dbus now ^^ | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it even acts on inbound Supplementary Service Codes and USSD responses as well, which is hard to intercept and stop. Not exactly always what you want to see when you e.g. write an app that sends "*100#" to query your account and then wants to display that account balance in a dedicated GUI rather than have dialer pop up and present the "raw" response text. You can find a ticket in b.m.o about the missing way to avoid dialer | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | popping up, aka "intercept that dbus signal" | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty obvious and undisputed API design flaw | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "WONTFIX" ;-P | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lastaid: most likely your signals will show up on session bus, but I can't guarantee it. So you probably should dbus-monitor both session and system bus | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's a pretty interesting and arguable question whether an inbound call is owned by system or by session (and when by session then by which user's session). Even more funny to discuss than consolekit and the question who owns camera or audio | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* on maemo they decided that calls are a session thing | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW owned by user who logged in | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which makes some sense, regarding that user "logs in" by SIM PIN | 21:10 |
| ruskie | hmm anyone tried a sailfish or a tizien device yet? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, some jolla employees | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard some are using a jolla sailfish device as their daily phone | 21:11 |
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