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| DocScrutinizer05 | moo | 00:21 |
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| Sysaxed | moo? | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~moo | 00:23 |
| infobot | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. | 00:23 |
| dos1 | https://soundcloud.com/dos1/moo | 00:23 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: I've had one issue with N900. Actually, it was rather issue of PSU of my laptop, | 00:40 |
| dos1 | I've had broken audio jack in laptop, so I wanted to workaround it by connecting N900 to amplifier and streaming music to it | 00:41 |
| dos1 | over wifi there were some hickups, so I connected it via usb | 00:41 |
| dos1 | and everything was nice, until laptop was connected to the charger | 00:42 |
| RiD | uh oh | 00:42 |
| dos1 | then there was TEH BUZZ | 00:42 |
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| kerio | D: | 00:42 |
| RiD | did it set on fire | 00:42 |
| dos1 | it was the same with audio jack on laptop (when hold correctly, otherwise no audio at all :P), so it was polluting everything with some interferences | 00:43 |
| dos1 | so, out of curiosity, as I don't have this laptop anymore | 00:44 |
| dos1 | would there be some way to prevent the buzz from spreading via usb cable to audio jack of N900? | 00:44 |
| dos1 | or maybe Neo900? :D | 00:44 |
| RiD | your issue is kind of unique | 00:45 |
| RiD | someone tells me that laptop was dangerous | 00:45 |
| RiD | something* | 00:45 |
| dos1 | RiD: nothing bad happened in about 2 years after that | 00:45 |
| RiD | still | 00:46 |
| RiD | i remember i got scared once, the n900 thought my earphones (with mic) were TV-out, the sound was all weird | 00:46 |
| dos1 | it was just quiet buzz in audio, like with electric guitars near power cables | 00:47 |
| dos1 | quiet, but very annoying | 00:47 |
| RiD | like some crappy phones have static noise | 00:47 |
| RiD | i think even samsung s2 had that | 00:47 |
| dos1 | I'm just wondering if there's some easy way to shield it so such noise from usb cable wouldn't interfere with audio | 00:50 |
| dos1 | maybe even not on customer level, but on device manufacturer level too | 00:51 |
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| kerio | dos1: use a usb soundcard! | 00:54 |
| dos1 | kerio: I wonder if it wouldn't suffer from exactly the same problem :P | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is a very well known issue, frequently found with tuners connected to roof-located aerials | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it would | 00:56 |
| RiD | hey, anyone experienced with amazon purchases... how is the whole warranty thing there? | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to open up the GND loop | 00:56 |
| RiD | What if my stuff still works - but already a little unreliable (talking about headphone audio cable) | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you frequently use galvanic isolation to do this | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like: audio-transformer(s) | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | opto-couplers | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever works for you. And _do_ _NOT_ connect GND/shielding from one side of galvanic "gap" to the other side | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "DI-box" comes to mind | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DI_unit is not *exactly* what you need, though most of them work as "galvanic gap" as well | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for de_DE: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdschleife | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=ground+loop+isolator | 01:04 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: thanks! | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.bcae1.com/glisoltr.htm | 01:06 |
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| dos1 | nice stuff to know | 01:11 |
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| dos1 | once again thanks, one mystery of this world resolved :D | 01:14 |
| RiD | +1 IQ point | 01:15 |
| dos1 | yeah :) | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alas proper ground loop isolation is bulky and "expensive", otherwise I had included it to Neo900 AV-out | 01:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Yep, Doc spot on as usual, ground loop hum. It's annoying. Maybe external ground loop isolation on the av-out as a workaround. | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes turning one mains-plug by 180° helps a bit | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also connect all mains-powered devices to same multi-outlet | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but often only ground loop isolators for audio line-cables and/or antennae help | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in professional environments (stage, stadium...) you use differential line to completely avoid this problem | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see DI-unit | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DI==differential-input | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on mic you see XLR for that | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XLR_connector | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_audio | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun#Audio | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for obvious reasons XLR can't be used on Neo900 ;-) | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thus no balanced audio on embedded | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | high class audio equipment uses RCA with balanced in/out | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka cinch | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | those devices don't have galvanic connection between case and cinch shielding | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alas this also can't get done in embedded for AV-out, for various technical reasons | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: (MWKN twitter) "Jolla finally seems to disclose details about "TOH" thechnical specs - says 'I2C'" http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1375451#post1375451 | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: (MWKN twitter) "Joerg R. notes: ``I2C usual bandwidth is 400k''" | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway probably the best you can do for such an expansion bus - USB is nice for *some* usecases but reallly horrible regarding some other aspects, like power consumption and handler overhead | 03:19 |
| int_ua | pali: ping | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as a ballparc figure, the OMAP3 musb-core (hardware controller for the USB interface) seems to eat 60mA for mere standby | 03:20 |
| int_ua | Hi, what do you think about creating some package, let's say "no-modest" and adding it as another dependency with OR argument to the mp-fremantle-community-pr? | 03:22 |
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| int_ua | have to leave now, the thread is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91412 | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | won't fly aiui | 03:38 |
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| Macer | now the real question | 04:27 |
| Macer | does the pan keep its settings | 04:27 |
| Macer | when i disconnect/reconnect | 04:27 |
| Macer | heh | 04:27 |
| Macer | if it does that would be awesome | 04:27 |
| Macer | i need to find a way to adjust it for the wifi coming on too | 04:27 |
| Macer | i sure wish this stuff was built into mobilehotspot | 04:28 |
| Macer | would make life way easier heh | 04:28 |
| psycho_oreos | Maybe you could notify the maintainer and tell him how you did it. | 04:28 |
| psycho_oreos | Even better, embed the function yourself and submit the patch. | 04:34 |
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| jonwil | ~seen nicolai | 05:13 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'nicolai', jonwil | 05:13 |
| psycho_oreos | ~seen _nicolai_ | 05:28 |
| infobot | _nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-126.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7h 28m 23s ago, saying: 'hi'. | 05:28 |
| psycho_oreos | jonwil, ^ | 05:29 |
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| Oooaaa | ~seen_nicolai_ | 06:16 |
| Oooaaa | ~seen _nicolai_ | 06:16 |
| infobot | _nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-126.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 8h 16m 24s ago, saying: 'hi'. | 06:16 |
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| Macer | i think i really have to start better understanding the fundamentals of how this pan connection works | 07:01 |
| Macer | i'm really unsure as to which steps i am taking to get it to work | 07:01 |
| Macer | for some reason windows shows connect using adhoc | 07:01 |
| Macer | but when i readd the device gives me a direct connect option | 07:01 |
| Macer | it's weird | 07:01 |
| robbiethe1st | It's Windows | 07:02 |
| Macer | is it? | 07:02 |
| Macer | i had to readd the pan device | 07:02 |
| robbiethe1st | I mean... Windows | 07:02 |
| Macer | and it gives me the direct connection option | 07:02 |
| robbiethe1st | Windows is never consistant about anything; why should it be about this? | 07:02 |
| Macer | it seems to work but i'm trying to figure it out to the point where i can do it step by step | 07:03 |
| Macer | for people who wantto use their n900 for pan tethering | 07:03 |
| robbiethe1st | No, no specific help, I'd chalk it up to Windows being Windows | 07:03 |
| Macer | lol | 07:03 |
| robbiethe1st | I did it on Linux, IIRC | 07:03 |
| Macer | well. android and windows use pan | 07:03 |
| Macer | well... windows rt | 07:03 |
| robbiethe1st | I do everything on Linux, and it's always consistant - it either works right every time, or fails completely | 07:03 |
| Macer | i have a surface rt | 07:03 |
| Macer | lol | 07:04 |
| Macer | i suppose | 07:04 |
| Macer | i've had myself pulling hair out over kernel builds long ago | 07:04 |
| Macer | but tbh there really isn't a reason to use pan on a linux box | 07:04 |
| Macer | since linux uses dun just fine | 07:05 |
| robbiethe1st | Ah. | 07:05 |
| Macer | pan is a oain | 07:05 |
| Macer | pain | 07:05 |
| Macer | i honestly don't have the steps down to get the connectin cosistent | 07:05 |
| Macer | i think i just got lucky twice lol | 07:06 |
| Macer | i know the n900 just creates the bnep0 and pan0 connections and just uses iptables to brute force the pkts between the two | 07:07 |
| Macer | it doesn't seem like a bridge is necessary | 07:07 |
| Macer | at least not on the n900 server side | 07:07 |
| Macer | i need to install sshd on my n900 | 07:07 |
| Macer | and figure it out | 07:07 |
| Macer | maybe someone can take the work and add it to mobilehotspot to make this less irritating heh | 07:08 |
| Macer | at least i was able to jailbreak the surface and install putty | 07:09 |
| Macer | the only decent metro client seems to not be able to use non-standard ports heh | 07:09 |
| Macer | anyways... i'm just goig to leae the connection active and not touch it while it is workig heh | 07:10 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:10 |
| Macer | well | 08:10 |
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| jonwil | anyone here any good with debian packaging? | 12:38 |
| inz | whatddyaneed? | 12:44 |
| jonwil | Some help to make debian packaging files for a couple of packages | 12:45 |
| inz | I've created my fair share of packages | 12:45 |
| inz | Not an expert, but I'd say I'm "any good" =) | 12:45 |
| jonwil | got an email address or something I can send the files to? | 12:46 |
| inz | inz@inz.fi | 12:47 |
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| jonwil | I would like some debian packaging bits for hald-addon-bme-dev, osso-systemui-modechange-dev, osso-systemui-devlock-dev and osso-systemui-splashscreen-dev | 12:55 |
| jonwil | the packages should simply copy the contents of include in each package to /usr/include | 12:55 |
| jonwil | keeping the paths intact | 12:55 |
| inz | for which maemo version is this? | 12:56 |
| jonwil | i.e. include/systemui/splashscreen-dbus-names.h becomes /usr/include/systemui/splashscreen-dbus-names.h | 12:56 |
| jonwil | Fremantle | 12:56 |
| inz | k | 12:56 |
| jonwil | PR1.3.1 | 12:56 |
| jonwil | if a makefile is required (i.e. make install etc) feel free to create what is needed | 12:56 |
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| jonwil | for changelog you can just put "initial release" | 12:58 |
| jonwil | for hald-addon-bme-dev use version 0.0.17+0m5 | 12:58 |
| jonwil | for osso-systemui-modechange-dev use version 0.3.5+0m5 | 12:59 |
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| jonwil | for osso-systemui-splashscreen-dev use version 0.2.30+0m5 | 13:00 |
| jonwil | and for osso-systemui-devlock-dev use version 0.2.1.2+0m5 | 13:00 |
| jonwil | any other info you need to be able to produce these? | 13:01 |
| inz | I think that's 'nuff | 13:01 |
| jonwil | thanks | 13:05 |
| jonwil | I would get Pali or someone to do these but he isn't here :) | 13:05 |
| jonwil | and I am doing dev work nowish :) | 13:05 |
| jonwil | or I will be once my Gentoo box finishes it full emerge run :) | 13:06 |
| jonwil | 310 of 367 :) | 13:08 |
| inz | I would insert a link to funroll lopps dot info, if I were in the mood. | 13:08 |
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| Pali | jonwil: what? | 13:17 |
| Pali | I'm here | 13:18 |
| jonwil | oh ok | 13:18 |
| jonwil | :) | 13:18 |
| jonwil | well inz is already packaging up those files for me now :P | 13:18 |
| Pali | what packaging? | 13:18 |
| jonwil | read scrollback | 13:19 |
| inz | jonwil, replied | 13:21 |
| inz | hmm, GMail's smtp not responding... | 13:21 |
| inz | okie, it was just slow | 13:23 |
| Pali | jonwil: you need debian packaging for those systemui headers which I created? | 13:23 |
| jonwil | yeah I did but now inz did it :) | 13:23 |
| Pali | ok :-) | 13:23 |
| inz | I have a faint memory of creating such packages sometime long ago... | 13:23 |
| Pali | then please upload them somewhere, so I do not need to do it again... | 13:23 |
| Pali | I will push git repositories to gitorious... | 13:24 |
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| inz | oh yeah, the package I created didn't contain the headers for those | 13:26 |
| jonwil | headers for what? | 13:26 |
| jonwil | the packages you created look good inz | 13:27 |
| inz | jonwil, if you look at the changelog of osso-systemui-dbus-dev, you might recognise a name | 13:27 |
| jonwil | what name? | 13:28 |
| inz | My name =) | 13:28 |
| inz | I knew I had package system ui headers before, but it just didn't contain those ones | 13:28 |
| jonwil | yeah too bad Nokia for whatever reason didn't release those systemui headers :P | 13:28 |
| jonwil | means I have to reverse engineer things to verify that they are correct :P | 13:28 |
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| Pali | jonwil: in some headers is info that order of enums may not be correct... | 13:29 |
| inz | I would've been more than happy to publish 'em all, but you know how these things go | 13:30 |
| Pali | maybe you can check this | 13:30 |
| jonwil | yeah I do plan to check that | 13:30 |
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| jonwil | I blame the lawyers and management | 13:31 |
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| jonwil | Corporate lawyers are quite high on my personal list of things this world would be better without | 13:37 |
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| jonwil | http://www.cncmods.net/files/systemui.zip is what we have, I still need to do some checks obviously | 13:43 |
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| jonwil | i.e. its the packaging completed but the header files need to be validated | 13:43 |
| jonwil | which I will be doing soonish | 13:43 |
| jonwil | just need my gentoo box to finish emerging so I can compile some things :P | 13:44 |
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| jonwil | must figure out how to uninstall all these KDE bits I dont need so emerge runs wont take so long :P | 14:01 |
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| Pali | jonwil: use utf8 and dos2unix for files | 14:02 |
| Pali | looks like your zip file has CRLF and some other funny non unicode encoding | 14:03 |
| jonwil | with the exception of dbus-names.h, all the files in my disk seem to be unix format | 14:04 |
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| Pali | jonwil: but not in utf8 | 14:34 |
| jonwil | I dont know how to convert to UTF8 | 14:34 |
| jonwil | when I fix up the .h files and send you the final checked over versions you can convert them to UTF8 before you upload :) | 14:35 |
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| Pali | jonwil: when I push changes to git I will convert them to utf8 :-) | 14:36 |
| jonwil | yeah when you put them on cssu-git | 14:36 |
| jonwil | and create source trees for those 4 packages on gitoroius :) | 14:37 |
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| jon_y | jonwil: is it in plain ASCII? | 14:43 |
| jon_y | if it is then you don't need to do anything | 14:43 |
| jon_y | ascii maps into utf-8 unchanged | 14:43 |
| jonwil | it should be plain ascii, I dont know of any reason why it wouldn't be | 14:44 |
| jon_y | ok | 14:44 |
| XATRIX | How can i paste a number into the dial frame ? | 14:47 |
| XATRIX | I mean, i have a contact, it has a long number | 14:47 |
| XATRIX | How to insert it into the dialframe ? | 14:48 |
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| Macer | hm | 14:51 |
| Macer | i need to figure out a way to automate this pan config | 14:51 |
| Macer | so it detects bnep0 connecting and routes properly | 14:52 |
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| cybertheque | Nokia-N900:/# /usr/bin/flasher --query-rd-mode --local | 16:58 |
| cybertheque | flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 8 2010) | 16:58 |
| cybertheque | Using flashing protocol Mk II. | 16:58 |
| cybertheque | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 | 16:58 |
| cybertheque | Method is not supported in the current mode | 16:58 |
| cybertheque | How to enable 'update' mode from the shell? | 16:58 |
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| Oooaaa | hi everyone Is there any mods for custom brightness | 17:08 |
| Oooaaa | I mean to custimise n900 brightness according to our needs | 17:09 |
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| cybertheque | I have not tried it but I was just reading the 'dbus-send' commands described in the 'phone control' section of the wiki hoping to find one that sets 'update' mode and found one for backlight brightness (level 0 to 255) | 17:18 |
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| Oooaaa | very helpful thanks anymore mods | 17:23 |
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| psycho_oreos | cybertheque, enable 'update' mode? | 17:54 |
| psycho_oreos | Ahh looks like you are getting help in another channel. | 17:56 |
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| SAiF | hello everybody. | 18:10 |
| SAiF | I ve got a couple of questions,.. | 18:14 |
| SAiF | well.. not really questions, issues with my n900, | 18:14 |
| SAiF | first... My memory gets read only at times.. and I dont know why. | 18:15 |
| SAiF | second.. some random pictures comes into album art on mp3 files. actually on two pictures set automatically as album art, even if I download a new mp3, sometimes this pictures set itself as album art of the newly downloaded mp3 files. | 18:19 |
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| SAiF | third.. if a file name is very large and if I change the name to a smaller one, it wont change visually. it changes it position (sorting) on the list according to the starting letter of new name and it shows new name if we select the details of that file. But visually, there is no change. | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooaaa giving the dick today? | 18:23 |
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| SAiF | hi Doc, | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi | 18:24 |
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| SAiF | ^^^ | 18:25 |
| psycho_oreos | 1) dmesg, may answer why it your memory would go into read only. Though not always. | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on 1) I dunno what to say. except that r/o mode is triggered by fs-corruption as well as i/o errors | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2) check mussorsky | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are metadata embedded pictures in .mp3 files, and tracker using those when present | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3) no idea - depends on your app you use to show/list the files | 18:26 |
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| SAiF | 3) native app | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is? | 18:27 |
| SAiF | the file browser | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, prolly a bug in filemanager (filebrowser) then | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you can come up with a instruction how to reproduce the issue, you probably should open a ticket against Hildon File Manager on bugs.maemo.org | 18:28 |
| SAiF | I dont know how to reproduce any of those..can post screenshots If needed. | 18:29 |
| SAiF | One more thing .. | 18:30 |
| psycho_oreos | You'll probably need to host those images on some server that won't disallow hot-linking and/or have images subjected to deletion. | 18:30 |
| SAiF | If I copy mp3 files from a memory card to phon memory, memory becomes readonly or phone switches off, and it will take time (abt 1 minute) to show up memory after restarting. | 18:32 |
| SAiF | pshycho_oreos.. like ? | 18:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | SAiF, probably photobucket for starters. Maybe those google drive might also help. Dropbox might also be another. | 18:34 |
| SAiF | okay | 18:34 |
| SAiF | I still didnt clearly understand 1 & 2 solution | 18:35 |
| psycho_oreos | You probably will need to read up on the likes of wikipedia to get a good understanding of how filesystems work under linux. Particularly when mounted. | 18:36 |
| psycho_oreos | Learning CLI tools is also a big plus as well. | 18:36 |
| SAiF | Well, then I need to learn a lot | 18:38 |
| psycho_oreos | File systems usually gets corrupted when its unmounted cleanly. i.e. when one deliberately powers off the device without letting the device run its normal course in shutting down. | 18:38 |
| psycho_oreos | No better time than now. | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | phone hanging and eventually even rebooting due to watchdog kicking in, during copy of huge amount of data netween eMMC and uSD is a known issue. Allegedly can get solved by reducing swappiness and fiddling with nr_queue_entries (or whatever the name), see swappolube | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "wen it's NOT umounted cleanly..." | 18:39 |
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| SAiF | just now i copied .mp3 file with the album art problem and that naming problem to another samsung phone, and it doesnt show any issue. It just shows the files new short name without any unwanted album art. | 18:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | It's an issue with trackerd as DocScrutinizer05 pointed out earlier on. It has nothing to do with copying the exact same file to another phone/device that is not running maemo. | 18:44 |
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| SAiF | hmm | 18:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | IIRC, there was tracker-cfg (or trackerd-cfg) tool available in extras-devel (maybe extras-testing now) that allows one to configure trackerd behaviour. Not that it will be the magic bullet but may give one some insights. | 18:45 |
| psycho_oreos | Particularly its namely thumbnailerd that I think grabs images and dumps them into hildon-photos (or whatever its called). | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh wait, you're talking about renaming .mp3 files? LOL, you get issues with tracker which basically ignores the filename and uses whatever it got in its database gathered from scanning .mp3 metadata. Just like for the album cover art embedded into .mp3 metatags | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only HFM is using tracker to replace .mp3 real filenames by the meta-songname "filenames" it gets from trackerd | 18:48 |
| psycho_oreos | IDv3 tags I suppose is what they are called. | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: use a decent filemanager, which is about every other filemanager than just HFM | 18:49 |
| SAiF | Ultimately, I need to know whether the slow showing up of memory be a hardware issue? If its software, I can restore or reflash. | 18:49 |
| SAiF | yes I will get a good file manaegr. | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fs corruption can be both hw and sw caused | 18:50 |
| psycho_oreos | It's probably easier to tell if it's a hardware issue during flashing. | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | r/o is a result from fs-corruption. Delay on next boot is a result from fsck fixing corrupted fs | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we've seen/heard several reports that suggest that trackerd (yes again trackerd!) might cause fs corruption when you shut down system while it still is about to index all the .mp3 | 18:52 |
| SAiF | it just have 10gb of data.. this changing to readonly makes downloading via cute tube, transmission etc, .. very diffucult. and I use these alot | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest to neuter trackerd largely | 18:52 |
| SAiF | i dint get it^^^ | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | configure trackerd so it won't re-index all the time | 18:53 |
| psycho_oreos | You'll probably also need to read up on what is trackerd and what it does. | 18:53 |
| SAiF | psycho_oreos , thats what I am gonna do. | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trackerd is a brainfart, particularly the way it got abused in maemo | 18:53 |
| psycho_oreos | In a nutshell, trackerd is responsible for searching and indexing all media files so that other hildon services (such as hildon-mediaplayer for instance) can look it up on the index. | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it kicks in every time you change *anything* on your eMMC | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and re-indexes all the files it can find | 18:55 |
| psycho_oreos | IIRC trackerd runs at virtually every boot. If one installed something like cpumem-applet they could easily see CPU and/or I/O being high for a good while (depending on how big your media collection is). | 18:55 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah that too. | 18:55 |
| SAiF | got conky | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which hogs your CPU, your battery, and corrupts your fs when you happen to shut down device during those 20 minutes | 18:55 |
| SAiF | oops.. 20 minutes.. sometimes I have to reboot abt 5 times in 20 mins | 18:56 |
| psycho_oreos | conky isn't as useful (imo) than cpumem-applet. cpumem-applet appears as a little icon in your statusbar, conky needs its own window, etc. | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then no wonder your fs corrupts | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also conky is a cpu hog in itself | 18:57 |
| psycho_oreos | You can also easily tell when trackerd is still running when you go into mediaplayer. You get that fancy banner telling you that its searching and indexing files, there's usually a countdown timer along with it. | 18:57 |
| SAiF | oops again | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite a bad one actually | 18:57 |
| SAiF | Okay, so I am gonna do a restore first, Then If things didnt turn out right. I may go for a reflash | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: yeah, and that countdown tends to claim "341 minutes to go..." for me | 18:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, haha mine was never accurate too, I can see sometimes the countdown seems to increment quite dramatically at times. | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first and best guideline: get cpu load applet, don't switch down system when CPU busy | 19:00 |
| psycho_oreos | Fastest way was to simply just wait for the device to finish running it's usual course in booting (usually a good 10 minutes for me) before I do something. | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply "kill2 trackerd in tracker.cfg | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ | 19:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: or simply "kill" trackerd in tracker.cfg | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trackerd, DA SHITE | 19:01 |
| SAiF | I hesitate to reflash mainly because, I could find the exact same packages I installed. Some times after reflash, I couldnot find the package or, some packages just wont work. etc..etc | 19:01 |
| psycho_oreos | Also learning CLI would be beneficial. 'dmesg' is a nifty command to show you kernel messages (are usually spoken in plain English, or otherwise there's always google) when there's an issue, etc. | 19:02 |
| SAiF | *could not | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a reflash won't probably fix your issues | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | your issues are all caused by tracker indexing a huge collection of mp3 data, or by you copying that huge amount of data between eMMC and uSD | 19:02 |
| psycho_oreos | lol, if I kill trackerd (granted, no need to wait) I lose all that music in mediaplayer (well now I was mainly using openmediaplayer). | 19:03 |
| SAiF | abt 500 of them mp3ss | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: there's a plugin for mediaplayer that allows browsing *directory tree* instead of searching in trackerd db | 19:04 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, that's news to me. I guess I won't be able to play with toys like that until my N900(s) gets fixed). | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: once trackerd finished indexing and you don't change anything in the whole maediafile storage (no new files, no renames, no deletes or moves) you won't have any of all that trouble anymore | 19:05 |
| psycho_oreos | s/d)/d/ | 19:05 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: DocScrutinizer05, that's news to me. I guess I won't be able to play with toys like that until my N900(s) gets fixed. | 19:05 |
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| SAiF | Could this be anyway related to usbhost \mode or hen,, I installed these recently and had a lot of issues and had to uninstall those | 19:08 |
| psycho_oreos | Doubt it, though if you're using h-e-n and you weren't keeping an eye on your battery (hence letting your N900 go flat). Then it maybe partly attributed to h-e-n, but it's still user error at best. | 19:09 |
| SAiF | well, I will take some days to try things you guys suggested. and see if it makes any difference.. | 19:11 |
| SAiF | :) ;) | 19:11 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, but proper power off shouldn't cause corruption even when trackerd is working | 19:13 |
| SAiF | dmesg.. shows .. filesystem error (dev mmcblk0pl) fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 360067079) | 19:14 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah, that's clearly to say that filesystem is unclean. | 19:15 |
| dos1 | or are we talking here about forced poweroffs? (taking off battery, very long press on power button etc?) | 19:15 |
| SAiF | and that line repeats a 100times in dmesg | 19:15 |
| SAiF | random reboots caused by maemo while transferring huge data from sd card to phone memory | 19:17 |
| dos1 | oooh | 19:17 |
| SAiF | dos1 ^^ | 19:17 |
| dos1 | watchdog ones? | 19:17 |
| dos1 | then sure | 19:17 |
| psycho_oreos | Then it's likely some process is trying to request an invalid reference within the /dev/mmcblk0p1. | 19:17 |
| dos1 | nvm then :) | 19:17 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah was just thinking about it, watchdog ones would likely be forced reboots. | 19:18 |
| SAiF | hmm? | 19:18 |
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| SAiF | but even after clean boots it shows the same error. | 19:19 |
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| SAiF | So how do I clean the filesystem and / or what am I supposed to do now. | 19:20 |
| psycho_oreos | Again you need to read how filesystms and mount work. Once a filesystem is declared unclean, it will remain unclean until it is sorted out by fsck. | 19:20 |
| dos1 | fsck? | 19:20 |
| SAiF | fsck.. as in what the fsck or file system check? lol.. I have only heard abt those things.. | 19:21 |
| SAiF | I need a good article to start with. | 19:21 |
| dos1 | fsck is a tool which checks and fixes file systems | 19:21 |
| psycho_oreos | You can't clean /, though for eMMC/SD, fsck should be sufficient. If you're on windows, there's some disk checking tool (probably chkdsk) that will also do the job. | 19:22 |
| SAiF | Well then thats comparatively easy | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: *should* yeah | 19:22 |
| psycho_oreos | Well not from average user perspective, you can still probably fsck / and /home via BackupMenu. | 19:22 |
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| SAiF | well i have backup menu.. installed. I will try from it. | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: a 'clean powerdown' includes a `sync` which, depending on size and state of buffers, may take way longer than the maemo system is willing to grant | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: in result the system shuts down hard during still flushing buffers, after the notorious "sleep 5" that is usually in any shutdown initscripts to allow tasks to quit gracefully | 19:24 |
| psycho_oreos | You don't need to use backupmenu to clean / and /home. Besides, its probably not really recommended considering it sits on a NAND and with ubifs. | 19:25 |
| dos1 | isn't sync blocking? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sync *is* blocking. the initscripts though are usually not | 19:25 |
| dos1 | I've never seen initscript with timeout on sync | 19:26 |
| dos1 | maybe on systemd it's different though :P | 19:26 |
| dos1 | or upstart, I don't know them well enough | 19:26 |
| psycho_oreos | That's why sysvinit are getting deprecated :). Besides we are talking about a butchered linux setup here. | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme put it this way: after 60s the latest wd will tear down system hard, no matter how politely initscripts are waiting for sync to return | 19:27 |
| dos1 | ok, that makes sense | 19:28 |
| dos1 | always forgetting about those nasty watchdogs :P | 19:28 |
| SAiF | well then I would better be using windows file system check utility. | 19:29 |
| psycho_oreos | I personally wouldn't say better, maemo is still linux. Though if you are stuck with windows on computer, then that may be better than running an outdated fsck on the device itself (using own fsck version). | 19:30 |
| SAiF | yeah then I have to go live on ubuntu. | 19:31 |
| SAiF | no issues | 19:32 |
| psycho_oreos | The newer the fsck is (under linux) the better. | 19:32 |
| SAiF | :) | 19:32 |
| SAiF | by the way, a few days ago I installed usbhostmode (or what ever it is called) and I never let me connect to a pc as mass storage device. Does anyone else happened to notice that? | 19:34 |
| SAiF | *it never | 19:35 |
| SAiF | I dont intend to waste your precious time. see you later. | 19:37 |
| psycho_oreos | You probably might have processes that were using eMMC/microSD at that time or your USB mode was set to host mode (or whatever it's called) as opposed to peripheral mode. | 19:37 |
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| SAiF | Me again.. now with an error from backup menu | 21:19 |
| SAiF | I tried to restore it to a system backup. It showed all went successfully. then I restarted, and now.. nothing. not even backup menu. not even boot looping. when i press power button It starts and shows nokia logo and off... | 21:21 |
| Defiant | SAiF: might be a stupid question, but battery is charged? | 21:22 |
| SAiF | not fully, I have been using it till noon( now its midnight here). And IIRC battery was at abt 60% when I tried backupmenu | 21:24 |
| Defiant | should have been enough I guess :( | 21:27 |
| mashina | man public wifi even is much more reliable than my carrier?s excuse for anetwork | 21:28 |
| mashina | granted stuck on edge but it's not reliable at all | 21:28 |
| mashina | you'd tihkn itd be a lot better, simple 2g, but its awful coverage wise | 21:29 |
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| Sysaxed | omg, people asking for capacitive touchscreen... What for? | 21:30 |
| SAiF | there is no way i could find even to bring up backup menu. | 21:31 |
| mashina | smudges | 21:31 |
| mashina | and shitty gestures | 21:31 |
| mashina | and no precision | 21:31 |
| mashina | also do eestonians drink viru valge all the time | 21:31 |
| SAiF | multi touch may be | 21:31 |
| mashina | out of taps and breastmilk, viru valge 100% comes out, yes? | 21:31 |
| mashina | 80% is reserved for finnish tourists | 21:32 |
| mashina | my estonian friend says this is true | 21:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | Probably might be worth considering on reflashing. | 21:39 |
| SAiF | considering that there is no choice right? | 21:41 |
| psycho_oreos | Unless you have better ideas in mind. | 21:41 |
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| SAiF | I am expecting to get a call at 4 in the morning.. and I currently dont have a backup fone in my room. its 00:11 now. | 21:42 |
| SAiF | I'd better start now. | 21:42 |
| SAiF | wait... | 21:42 |
| psycho_oreos | A serial console may explain why it won't boot properly. Though unless you are handy with electronics, such idea is completely out of reach. | 21:42 |
| SAiF | i just got only a couple of pcs in my room | 21:43 |
| SAiF | how can I get at least some of my data? | 21:43 |
| psycho_oreos | Even with serial console, it's not a magic bullet.. it seems that serial console is mainly useful for seeing messages rather than trying to interact. | 21:43 |
| SAiF | contacts are already backed up. not the latest backup, I am sure I will loose the last updated couple | 21:43 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't think there's any easy way to get the data out, not without opening your N900 and having all the right tools to extract the data out. | 21:44 |
| psycho_oreos | You maybe able to forgo flashing vanilla (only flashing combined or fiasco) but only maybe. | 21:45 |
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| SAiF | that coud be a possibility, But I am doing full flash. I am on win 7 64, i have to swich to 32 bit live cd | 21:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | The last I read on the wiki, you can still flash on windows 64bit via lib32 compat (or whatever they call it). | 21:47 |
| psycho_oreos | If you're going to do a full flash (including vanilla) do be aware that your eMMC will also be erased. Leaving you the only choice is to use file recovery tools. | 21:48 |
| SAiF | yeah I tried it last time, abt 3weeks ago, and was giving me troubles. (it used to work, but you cannot be sure) linux is smooth | 21:48 |
| Sysaxed | mashina: it is not true :D | 21:49 |
| SAiF | But I still wonder what I did wrong with Backupmenu | 21:49 |
| Sysaxed | SAiF: multi touch.. what for? I don't have multitouch on my pc, why would I need in on my phone? | 21:49 |
| SAiF | zoom in zoom out. | 21:50 |
| SAiF | lol | 21:50 |
| psycho_oreos | You can still zoom in and zoom out without needing two fingers. | 21:50 |
| SAiF | yep. so why would some one need a capacitive touch? | 21:51 |
| psycho_oreos | Someone also said capacitative touchscreen is technology of the 70s. Yet to me its ironic virtually all smartphones/tablets these days use capacitative touch screen, maybe because its cheaper than resistive? and/or because they all want to be like iP{od,ad,hone}? | 21:52 |
| dos1 | capacitive is better | 21:53 |
| psycho_oreos | I should add, on the forum someone said that capacitative touchscreen technology is from 70s. | 21:53 |
| dos1 | for dumbphones like iOS or Android based ones | 21:53 |
| dos1 | for smartphones, resistive is the only way :P | 21:53 |
| SAiF | lol | 21:53 |
| psycho_oreos | There was a thread with artists using MyPaint (on N900) to paint various stuff. Try comparing that with the likes of using a smartphone/tablet/device with capacitative touchscreen to paint the exact same detail. | 21:54 |
| psycho_oreos | You can't even use a stylus on capacitative touchscreen, it won't even recognise. | 21:55 |
| dos1 | multitouch is nice for games and maybe pinch to zoom, but that's it | 21:55 |
| joga | there's styluses for capacitive touchscreen also | 21:55 |
| joga | not that it's going to be as accurate anyhow but still | 21:56 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah of a much different shape/material. | 21:56 |
| psycho_oreos | I was merely stating using say N900's stylus on <insert_some_android_device_here> | 21:56 |
| joga | more like simulating a finger than a pen | 21:56 |
| joga | k | 21:56 |
| Sysaxed | dos1: Nice for games, UNLESS you have keyboard | 21:56 |
| Sysaxed | also I remember somebody who simulated multitouch on n900 | 21:57 |
| dos1 | Sysaxed: there are some touch based games that are pretty fun to play on multitouch devices | 21:57 |
| Sysaxed | dos1: like.. like.. uhhmmmm.. like what? | 21:57 |
| dos1 | but yes, if I'd have to choose, having keyboard is definitely better than having multitouch | 21:58 |
| Sysaxed | dos1: probably I simply don't know | 21:58 |
| dos1 | Sysaxed: minigames, angry birds style | 21:58 |
| dos1 | I don't remember exact names, but there are some | 21:58 |
| Sysaxed | angry birds does not require touch screen, in fact there is angry birds for n900 | 21:59 |
| Sysaxed | multitouch* | 21:59 |
| Sysaxed | sorry | 21:59 |
| psycho_oreos | The more I think of people wanting capacitative touchscreens the more I'm reminded of those Apple ads where two fingers does virtually anything. Yay, so much for two fingers as opposed to one. | 21:59 |
| dos1 | one example comes to mind - there's some game with cutting ropes to feed the frog | 21:59 |
| dos1 | and sometimes you have to cut two or more ropes together using more fingers | 22:00 |
| joga | dos1, how about a multitouch keyboard! | 22:00 |
| dos1 | :) | 22:00 |
| joga | (http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2010/01/fingerworkstouchstream.jpg) :) | 22:01 |
| dos1 | anyway, I'm not a gamer type, I prefer phone with terminal but without games than one with games but without terminal :D | 22:01 |
| joga | nethack works fine with terminal! | 22:01 |
| dos1 | see, people wanting capacitive multitouch screen probably wouldn't see that as a big advantage | 22:02 |
| dos1 | but we do :) | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: you changed kernel from backup to restore? | 22:02 |
| joga | seriously though regarding games, I think having some SNES/genesis emus and scummvm and whatnot on n900 is way superior to having a bunch of <30 year old game mechanics with upgraded graphics and in-app purchases> type of games which all feel the same | 22:02 |
| psycho_oreos | They don't care, they just want this product to be the same as the rest of the smartphone/tablets. | 22:02 |
| joga | *> | 22:02 |
| dos1 | joga: agreed | 22:03 |
| SAiF | Doc what? | 22:03 |
| SAiF | I just restored the system backup image created by backuomenu using backupmenu | 22:04 |
| psycho_oreos | SAiF, he meant in cases of where your backup was either newer or older prior to your kernel upgrades. You know for example when using kernel-power. | 22:04 |
| SAiF | I dont remember, | 22:04 |
| SAiF | But I guess, there was no kernel update after the past backup | 22:05 |
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| Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: nnooooooo!! We must defend! :D | 22:05 |
| psycho_oreos | If say for example you made a backup that was using kernel-power v50 and then the last time you had it running was kernel-power v52. That is known as kernel modules mismatch. It usually causes boot loops. | 22:05 |
| psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, unfortunately without much luck if the majority are largely ignorant mobs. | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: then using rescueOS is your only chance to fix stuff now - ooooor reflash | 22:06 |
| SAiF | I got it. But do you know when was the last kernel power update thrugh ssu? | 22:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | Through SSU? which SSU? CSSU? or nokia's SSU? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (smartphone, cts etc) a friend of mine (real tech noob) looked at my N900, frowned, asked me "don't you finally want to get a smartphone?" | 22:08 |
| SAiF | CSSU ofcourse | 22:08 |
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| jonwil | My N900 can do things no iPhone will ever be able to do | 22:08 |
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| jonwil | things most Android devices will probably never be able to do either | 22:09 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer05, heh many have also looked at mine and said that "well you really look like you need a new phone". no thx :) | 22:09 |
| joga | jonwil *5* | 22:09 |
| SAiF | Doc only a very few of my friends actually know this phone exist, and those who know only know that you can put android (or better say change OS ) on this phone | 22:09 |
| psycho_oreos | CSSU doesn't really deliver kernel-power updates iinm. There were thumb kernels released but I really don't know how that works, they say its not part of CSSU-Thumb yet its in their repository. Now its merged in v52. | 22:09 |
| Pali | http://mxr.maemo.org is down | 22:10 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05 ^^^^ | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 22:10 |
| jonwil | finally my Gentoo box is close to being up-to-date so I can start playing with stuff again | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: not my domain (literally) | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: ^^^ | 22:10 |
| jonwil | ok, its all up-to-date | 22:11 |
| psycho_oreos | I have had my N900 being called "retro" tech. | 22:11 |
| dos1 | the only smartphones I know - GTA01, GTA02, GTA04, N900, maybe also that Trolltech Qt phone | 22:11 |
| SAiF | and Neo900. | 22:11 |
| dos1 | others are just modern dumbphones | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: please move mxr to maemo.org infra when you don't want to keep it anymore | 22:11 |
| dos1 | SAiF: Neo900 will be a smartphone when it'll finally exist :D | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: I guess we can find a VM for mxr on our server | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 22:12 |
| SAiF | It will exist. Ask Doc. | 22:12 |
| SAiF | In near future. | 22:13 |
| SAiF | right? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 22:13 |
| dos1 | SAiF: sure it will, but it doesn't right now | 22:13 |
| dos1 | somewhere in 2014 probably | 22:13 |
| dos1 | and rather late 2014 | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:13 |
| SAiF | Q3,Q4..? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Q3 | 22:13 |
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| SAiF | hmm.. | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just maybe even Q2 | 22:14 |
| psycho_oreos | The sooner the people start donating towards Neo900 the likelihood (and possibly the quicker) the Neo900 will come out. Probably. | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Ipublished a tine table which got acknowledged by Nikolaus | 22:14 |
| jonwil | main thing to do IMO would be to lock down the hardware specs of the Neo900 | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I published a time table which got acknowledged by Nikolaus | 22:14 |
| jonwil | i.e. say "this is the full hardware that will be used" | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: hw freeze will happen ~2013-11-01 (90%) | 22:15 |
| jonwil | what parts of the hw are still up in the air anyway? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: for now it's a safe bet to assume it will be somehwre between N900 and GTA04 | 22:16 |
| jonwil | SoC is locked in, cellmo is locked in, WLAN/Bluetooth/FM are same as GTA04, sensors are same as GTA04, camera is same as N900, audio is same as N900 | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: quite a number of components are not evaluated yet. E.G. the eMMC+RAM combo | 22:17 |
| jonwil | hmmm ok makes sense | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we need to check what exists and what's available. We also have to make sure our design meets N900 compatibility criteria | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g I just decided 3 days ago that we obviously need to go tvl320aic34 codec | 22:19 |
| jonwil | yeah good point | 22:19 |
| jonwil | yes obviously we need to copy N900 audio parts 100% | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no feedback from Nikolaus on that point yet | 22:19 |
| jonwil | including N900 speakers and microphone | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in my book, it's feasible, but I can't say anything without confirmation from Nikolaus | 22:20 |
| jonwil | ok | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we might see problems with available IFs on SoC | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since our peripherals on Neo900 differ from those on N900, thus maybe IFs are already occupied and thus a certain concept isn't feasible | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's always a funny juggling with the IFs available at all on SoC | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | like "use camera IF and you lose IF for 2nd SD card slot" or stuff like that | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | each tiny change in peripherals that need direct IF to SoC might change the whole design | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we try to avoid such mega-changes | 22:23 |
| jonwil | btw I am guessing that Neo900 cant nave newer wifi standards like 802.11n/802.11ac or newer bluetooth standards like Bluetooth Low Energy because no SoC that supports those standards is open enough and available enough? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since, the more we change, the more prototypes we will need to evaluate the design and kick out bugs | 22:24 |
| Sysaxed | omg, apple selling thousands of their devices while we can barely reach 200... I don't want to live on that planet | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not the SoC but the module, otherwise exactly to the point | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | finding a good open WiFi module is already a PITA | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | finding one with a good interface that integrates into your design is already almost impossible | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | finding one that has bleeding edge RF technology support is impossible | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it always been the WiFi that gave EE headaches, from GTA02 to GTA03 to GTA04 to Neo900 | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kick out WiFi and your EE live becomes extremely easy | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s7live/life/ | 22:28 |
| jonwil | Seems like (thanks to Option) its easier to find good usable open-enough cellular module (even with LTE) than it is to find usable open-enough WiFi chip | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | absolutely | 22:28 |
| jonwil | Even well-known (and much bigger) projects like OLPC had BIG problems finding WiFi chip that they could get | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not all happy with Option either, yet, thanks to - again - the interface | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's the most mission critical thing in hw design of Neo900 right now | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the USB interface GTA04 uses needs further evaluation/verification | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jury still out on it, regarding power usage and thus standby | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this might kill GTA04 and Neo900 likewise | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a few weekends with Nikolaus ahead of me I see (says Joda) | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Yoda? | 22:36 |
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