IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-08-17

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keriomashina_: try rescueOS00:35
kerioload it, and then blindly type y<RET>y<RET>y<RET>00:36
keriothen you should have usb networking running with a telnetd00:36
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marek_hatake_kakashi, I know DocScrutinizer. Actually I was hoping he would be here.01:02
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marek_can I flash maemo on n9?01:43
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LjL-Alpsis setting a minimum CPU frequency of 500 (instead of 250) as good an idea as some docs make it seem? (namely that the battery life doesn't suffer but might actually improve)01:53
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marek_LjL-Alps, you should try it out. Actually every processor have slightly different power needs and some of them can be undervolted quite considerably02:06
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marek_actually in my case on 250MHz I wasn't able to squeeze out whole day of music, but with 500-600MHz 95%-up 81%-down conservative I am getting rawly 11-12 hours of music, including constant connection over 802.11 (umts eats a lot of power)02:09
marek_take in account that my modem is offline for rawly two week, so your mileage might vary02:09
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SpeedEvilmarek_: It's complex.02:11
SpeedEvilmarek_: Basically if your hardware can powersave while doing a task - you want to pin it not to the lowest frequency02:11
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SpeedEvilAs it's considerably more energy efficient running twice as fast for half as long.02:12
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HtheBanyone alive?02:18
HtheBi think we have a scammer on tmo02:18
LjL-Alpsit ain't me!02:19
HtheBit's a guy selling his n95002:19
HtheBbut asking for payment over Moneygram02:19
HtheBwhich... doesn't sound safe at all02:19
LjL-Alpsit sure doesn't, although i *suppose* someone might think it's a good idea for international payments if they don't trust PayPal (but it really isn't)02:20
SpeedEvilPaypal has real issues for sellers.02:20
SpeedEvilFor example - I sell n950 on ebay.02:20
SpeedEvilPerson claims I sent them a rock.02:20
SpeedEvilPaypal investigates says 'return it', they return it - with tracking number.02:20
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil, it does, but that doesn't mean asking for moneygram is sane02:21
SpeedEvilI get a rock back - paypal refunds.02:21
HtheBthats why you have to take pics or even videos while packing and sending :P02:21
SpeedEvilHtheB: Doesn't help at all02:21
SpeedEvilHtheB: Your only recourse at that point would be legal action against paypal.02:21
SpeedEvilHtheB: Good luck with that.02:21
HtheBwhat about this pic02:21
HtheBit looks suspicious02:21
HtheB(hang on let me quickly upload it)02:21
HtheBthat "paper" looks very badly photoshopped into a real picture...02:23
HtheBit's too flat and too 'straight'02:23
SpeedEvilDoes look kinda fake02:24
SpeedEvilThe paper looks like it's been photographed from very close from a light which is directed forwards, so the lighting changes radially on it - the edges are pinkish02:25
SpeedEvilAnd then shopped in02:25
LjL-AlpsHtheB: Google Images shows, if you input that URL for a similar image search, that picture *without* the bit of paper on a Chinese site02:26
HtheBlink please?02:27
HtheBi tried but without results02:27
HtheBthanks :)02:29
LjL-AlpsHtheB: for the google search02:29
HtheBok, now lets see if I can get the guys name and stuff... to make a report :)02:31
LjL-Alpsi think i just missed the thread by a couple of minutes before it got deleted02:32
LjL-Alpssince it shows on my search but then the url gives a "no such thread"02:32
HtheByeah, just banned him02:33
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bef0rdworks now02:35
LjL-AlpsHtheB: thanks02:35
HtheBwell, I've accepted his 'offer'02:37
HtheBlets see what he's gonna do :)02:37
HtheBI need some information about him so i can 'pay him'02:37
HtheBthis is going to be fun I guess :)02:38
LjL-Alpsi bet moneygram provides some anonymous method of payment02:38
LjL-Alpsanonymous for him, that is02:38
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HtheBgood for crimes like this....02:39
HtheBLol... I just got a reply: okay. do you have credit card? if yes, you can send it online.02:40
LjL-Alpsah sure, just gonna give him your credit card details02:41
LjL-Alpseasy peasy02:41
HtheBno i think paying through moneygram using the creditcard02:41
HtheBlet see what he will say now :D02:42
HtheB(this is started to get fun)02:42
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HtheBi wish there was a way that the police can caught that guy...02:47
HtheBugh... he doesnt reply :(02:57
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HtheBLjL-Alps: he replied03:04
HtheBRonald Lowry London, NW11 7UR United Kingdom03:04
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sanovai'm trying to download ovi maps from this link: but it seems i have no grant to access it. Is there any other link to download ovi maps now?11:21
sanovai have to flash my n900 and i lost all maps11:21
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PaliIf I remember correctly there *is* some backup of ovi maps for n90012:43
Palisanova: try to ask on talk.maemo.org12:43
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Lava_Croft works fine12:55
Lava_Croftyou need to use the right version :)12:56
Lava_Croftlook near the end of the thread you just linked yourself12:56
Lava_Croftit has a working link to Turkey maps, all you need to do is get the proper number for your country12:56
Lava_Croftwhat i just linked is netherlands, iirc12:56
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sanovaLava_Croft: thanks for your reply.. i solved. I have to directly download maps because of i'm on linux, but i have installed ovi suite on windows VM :) and all is ok16:38
Lava_Crofthah, that works too16:38
sanovanext time i will try with that link16:39
Lava_Croftalso amazing how i look at IRC just when you reply16:39
Lava_Croftwhat are the odd16:39
Lava_Croftjust when i randomly look at IRC, i see you reply to me16:39
Lava_Crofthours later16:40
Lava_Croftfunny coincidence:)16:40
Lava_Croftthe direct links to maps always include the version number16:40
Lava_Croftso any new version will have a different link16:40
Lava_Croftas will older versions16:40
Mike11hello everybody :) can anybody tell me what packages should i download in order for wireless-tools package to work on n900, I am new to n90016:41
Lava_Croftrandom TMO thread says install aircrack-ng16:42
Lava_Croftbetter is probably apt-get install wireless-tools tcpdump kismet16:42
Lava_CroftMike11: look here, maybe:
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Mike11Lava_Croft: thanks for ur help, u mean apt-get will work better than the application manager?16:43
Lava_Croftbut for installing it can be faster16:44
Lava_Croftsafest route is to always use HAM16:44
Lava_Croftthe app manager16:44
Mike11Lava_Croft: but the wireless-tools package do not exist in the application manager16:44
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Mike11Lava_Croft: will it download on apt-get???16:45
Lava_Crofttry it16:45
Lava_Crofti just do google work for you16:45
Lava_Crofti never had this problem16:45
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Mike11Lava_Croft: thanks for your help, actually i am trying to get reaver and aircrackng to work on my n900, is it right to install wireless-tools first???16:46
Lava_Crofti have no clue16:47
Lava_Croftjust install aircrack-ng itself, it should pull the dependencies?16:47
Mike11Lava_Croft: or do i need the power kernel first?16:47
Lava_CroftMike11: i dont know, try to google about it16:47
Lava_Crofti bet there's a thread about it on talk.maemo.org16:47
Mike11Lava_Croft: thanks for ur help :)16:47
Lava_Croftno problem16:48
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psychologeyes,you need install power kernel16:48
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Mike11psychologe: well do i install that first or wireless-tools first?16:49
Mike11psychologe: and will wireless-tools install the bleeding edge driver for me???16:50
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psychologeno,,power kernel support packet inject ,not need install wireless-tool16:51
Mike11psychologe: but aircrack ng depends on wireless tools??16:53
LjL-Alpshas someone used Mupen64 on the N900? the web suggests it can run games at full speed, but here it didn't seem too convincing, with the music in Mario 64 being all choppy, and another game slowing down to a crawl during the intro. i'm using the extras-devel package, are there older versions that are better?16:54
Mike11psychologe: and my problem is that it does not exist in my application manager, i added extras testing and extras devel, any idea what repo it might be on?!16:55
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Lava_CroftLjL-Alps: it wont even run properly16:57
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psychologesudo apt-get install kernel-power16:58
LjL-AlpsLava_Croft: it does randomly crash a bit17:00
Lava_CroftLjL-Alps: you dont play n64 games using an emulator on a 600mhz arm cpu17:01
Lava_Croftwell, you do, but not satisfactory17:01
LjL-Alpswell, 850MHz, but aside from that17:01
Lava_Croftgames that work really well are older dosbox games, in my experience17:04
Lava_Croftstuff like wasteland and ultima417:04
Lava_Croftand some low-action SNES games17:05
Lava_Croftstuff like mario world etc is just too demanding for n900 keyboard and my hands17:05
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kerioplay nethack17:06
keriothe n900 is possibly the only worthy nethack handheld17:06
Lava_Croftnethack is boring17:07
kerioapart for the 79x25 terminal17:07
ApicNetHack rules17:07
Lava_Croftadom is where its at17:07
kerioLava_Croft: YOUR FACE is boring17:07
kerioadom is a piece of crap17:07
Lava_Croftnethack is overrated like halflife17:07
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Lava_Croftmake nerds like a game and they will praise it straight to God17:07
kerioand we can't play it on the n900 because it's a proprietary game17:07
keriohalf life is good, half life 2 is a masterpiece17:07
Lava_Crofti wasnt too far off17:08
kerioas a sidenote, also hosts nethack 3.4.3-nao now17:08
Lava_Crofthalflife2 is halflife1 with HAVOK17:08
kerioin addition to acehack 3.6.017:08
Lava_Croftand half the game turned into a HAVOK demo17:08
Lava_Crofthl series must be the most overrated games of all time, together with final fantasy series17:08
Lava_Croftanyhow, i guess some other neato dos games work fine too17:09
kerioscummvm also works fine on the n90017:09
kerioLava_Croft: ADoM is the kind of game where the author thought "mmh, a spellbook of wish will be a good idea"17:09
LjL-Alpsi don't even play games, i just like to show off emulators ;( like i do here
Lava_Croftnethack is a game where everybody has ideas17:10
Lava_Croftand then 15 years later 2 of them are implemented17:10
Lava_Croftadom has a personality that nethack lacks17:10
Lava_Croftits sad that its closed source, but also awesome17:10
Lava_Croftnethack has no secrets17:10
Lava_Croftyou just poke at the source17:10
ApicNetHack is _still_ fun fully spoiled17:11
Lava_Croftadom has actual secrets17:11
kerioApic: i wouldn't extend myself that much17:11
Apickerio: No, but I do17:11
kerionethack is fun even fully spoiled until you figure out how to solve it17:11
ApicThere's #nethack17:11
Lava_CroftMUD also works great on n90017:11
ApicAnd r.g.r.n17:11
Lava_Crofthad good times in icesus17:11
Lava_Croftoh and the single game i beat on n90017:12
ApicI still have fun playing it17:12
Lava_CroftOregon Trail via preenv17:12
Lava_Croft \o/17:12
keriooh, there's also that apkenv thing to play android games17:12
LjL-Alpsglobulation was fun until i managed to hurt my wrist thanks to it17:12
ApicI enjoyed Chrono Trigger on DrNoksNES very much17:12
infobotApic meant: I enjoyed Chrono Trigger on DrNokSNES very much17:12
Lava_Croftplay CT on the n900 is a disgrace17:12
Lava_Croftthose games lose a lot of their magic on emulators17:14
kerioespecially crappy emulators17:16
keriowith awkward controls17:16
Lava_Croftneeds the controller too17:16
LjL-Alps"Only use this compatibility layer for applications that you have the rights to use. If you are unsure, DO NOT use this compatibility layer, and use Nitdroid instead"17:17
Lava_Croftgames like CT just feel broken without the SNES controller17:17
kerioor at least a similar controller17:17
LjL-Alps... because NITDroid magically gives people the right to use copyrighted software?17:17
Lava_Crofti rather just power up the snes17:17
Lava_Croftgives me a reason to undust it17:17
keriowith a dpad, four buttons in a diamond, and two shoulder buttons17:17
Lava_Croftyeah, it has changed a lot since the early 90s17:17
Lava_Croftgame controllers17:17
Lava_Croftthey did totally own the n64 by doubling the sticks!17:18
Lava_Croftand in the process make me unable to play just about any game on new consoles, since controlling an entire joystick with your thumb is just silly17:18
keriono thumb available?17:19
kerioinstall a better kernel :P17:20
Lava_Croftoh yea17:21
Lava_Croftgot the gamecube back too17:21
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Lava_Croft(i looked in the closet)17:21
Lava_Croftn64 still gone, meh17:21
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kerioi have a n64! :D17:22
keriostill haven't played it this summer17:22
Lava_Crofti have mine lend out to a friend17:22
Lava_Croft4 player n64 playing is just king17:24
* kerio only has two controllers :(17:24
Lava_Crofta few times a year, all those fancy new console owners come to my house to get schooled17:24
LauRomani tried to test the wlan driver applet simlock and rotation daemon and apparently my device won't boot using the button, it boots just fine if i connect a pc usb cable to it and it also reboots just fine, but i think i broke something, can i fix it without reflashing?17:24
Lava_Croftwe have 7, of which basically have dead sticks17:24
Lava_Croft1cm space orso17:24
kerioi do have two wiimote/nunchucks and two gamecube controllers though17:24
LauRomani'm sure one of those broke it17:24
Lava_Croftyou need to hang on the stick to turn right in mario kart17:24
Lava_Croftwe dont own a wii17:25
keriobuy a wii, it's good17:25
kerioyou get tons of games for free17:25
Lava_Croftonly reason i would get it is for gamecube games17:25
Lava_Croftand using gamecube controller17:25
kerioincluding gamecube games!17:25
kerio...actually i'm not entirely sure17:25
Lava_Crofti already own gamecube games:)17:25
keriobut not all games17:25
Lava_Croftwii can do GC controllers and discs17:25
Lava_Crofti dont need all :D17:25
keriowii can do usb loading17:25
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Lava_Croftdont think we need a WiiU either17:25
keriobut only in wii mode i think17:25
Lava_Croftlast console i bought, that gamecube17:26
keriommh, apparently you *can* play gamecube games from a usb drive17:26
Lava_Crofti gave up on consoles :)17:26
Lava_Croftwhy bother, i have a PC17:26
Lava_Croftseveral PC's17:26
keriono more heroes17:26
keriosuper mario galaxy17:26
Lava_Crofttwo games is a reason to buy the entire console?17:27
Lava_Croftthat way i have to buy each console17:27
kerio...actually, kinda17:27
Lava_Croftsince each system has at least 2 games that are really good17:27
kerioi'm fairly convinced that it's worth buying a 3ds just for super mario 3d land, for instance17:27
keriobut i'm a fanboy17:27
Lava_Crofti played super mario since '86 orso17:27
kerio(fire emblem is apparently also amazing)17:27
Lava_Croftjust like getting tired of 20 years of DOOM17:27
Lava_Croftyou also get tired of so much mario and so little change17:28
Lava_Croftfire emblem is another game that probably is rather well done17:28
Lava_Croftbut its about as good as a hollywood blockbuster can get17:28
Lava_Croftsince thats the type of game you have to make17:28
keriobut super mario 3d land is good! c:17:28
Lava_Crofti bet it is!17:28
keriothere's also starfox 64 3d17:28
Lava_Croftyeah i bet its a LOT different than the original!!!!17:29
keriowhich is exactly like starfox 64/lylatwars except with more depth of view and less lag17:29
Lava_Croftfirst thing you do on 3ds: turn off 3d17:29
Lava_Croftremove the slider entirely17:29
Lava_Croftbe happy17:29
kerioi enabled the parental controls17:29
keriojust to disable the 3d17:29
Lava_Crofti had gameboy advance and gameboy advance SP17:29
Lava_Croftnintendo was done sodomizing me after that17:29
Lava_Croftbecause i ran17:29
Lava_Croftthey just arent relevany any more, not in any way17:30
Lava_Croftnothing special has some out of nintendo the past 10 years orso17:30
Lava_Croftjust rehasing old games17:30
kerioit can't be that old17:30
Lava_Crofthow old is pikmin?17:30
keriocan it? D:17:30
keriojesus christ, 200117:30
Lava_Crofti own pikmin17:30
Lava_Croftand what is the big Wii U game atm?17:31
Lava_Croftpikmin 317:31
Lava_Croftits so sad17:31
keriometroid: other m!17:31
Lava_Croftyou had Metroid Prime on the cube17:31
* kerio flees17:31
Lava_Croftthat showed that nintendo, in combination with another studio, can do amazing shit17:31
Lava_Crofttoo bad its just so little of it17:31
Lava_Croftand its always been like that!17:31
kerios/in combination with another studio/by letting another studio do everything instead of shitting on the legacy of an amazing character/17:32
Lava_Croftearly 90's, id sofware had a nice 2d engine they used for Keen17:32
Lava_Croftthey recreated super mario bros 3 in it and showed to nintendo17:32
Lava_Croftnintendo wasnt interested17:32
Lava_Croftthis is basically nintendo as always:)17:32
Lava_Crofti think Sony is actually the one with the brightest future, on the console front17:32
kerioseriously, other m's zero suit had high heels17:32
Lava_Croftyeah i know17:32
Lava_Croftwanna know a secret17:33
Lava_Crofti stole money to buy metroid2 on the gameboy17:33
keriommh, the ps4 feels like the exact same thing as the ps317:33
keriobut with ads on the menu17:33
Lava_Croftas a kid17:33
Lava_Croftit was so awesome, i felt like a goddamn ninja17:33
kerioand really, you might as well play on a pc17:33
Lava_Croftuntil i got home, of course17:33
Lava_Croftpc is different tho17:33
Lava_Croftand more expensive17:33
kerionot with a controller17:33
Lava_Croftand a PC has overhead17:33
Lava_Croftit had windows17:33
Lava_Croftit has silly PC crap17:33
kerioand... mmh, not really actually17:33
Lava_Croftyes really17:34
kerioask the dudes on /r/buildapc17:34
Lava_Croftthose are exceptions17:34
Lava_CroftValve might do it17:34
Lava_Croftif they ever get done with it17:34
keriothe steambox will probably run some flavour of linux17:35
Lava_Croftdont care what it runs, its a console17:35
keriobut... eeh17:35
Lava_Croftits meant to run games17:35
kerioFPSes on a tv?17:35
keriowith a controller?17:35
Lava_Croftmost copies of FPS games are sold to controller people17:35
Lava_Croftplaying it on TV's17:35
kerioyeah but they're awful players17:35
Lava_Croftthe Call of Duties and what not17:35
Lava_Croftcompared to PC, sure17:35
Lava_Croftquake3 on dreamcast had cross platform MP17:36
Lava_Croftit was fun playing vs the dreamcasters17:36
Lava_Croftcould use just the mouse, no keyboard, and still win17:36
Lava_Crofti dont mind given the console players autoaim etc:)17:36
Lava_Croftone thing is for sure17:37
Lava_Croftthe good times for pc users like me are soon over17:37
Lava_Croftthe past years, my dualcore celery was good enough for most games17:38
Lava_Croftthe coming years, it wont :<17:38
Lava_Croftdamn new console generation17:38
Lava_Croftshould try worms in dosbox17:40
Lava_Croftprobably runs like crap on n90017:40
Lava_Croftso kerio, you were a nintendoid17:40
kerioi *am* a nintendoid17:41
Lava_Croftso while you were busy playing super mario world17:41
Lava_Croftthinking it was the epitome of gaming17:41
Lava_Crofta pinnacle17:41
Lava_Croftyou that young?17:41
Lava_Croftthen my comparison fails17:41
keriogo ahead with it anyway17:41
Lava_Croftsince i was about to boast about how great the PC was compared to snes games17:41
Lava_Crofti must admit, most PC people were also busy with shit wolf3d and doom17:42
keriowhat was available?17:42
GeneralAntillesPlay what's fun.17:42
Lava_Croftthe biggest name is
Lava_Crofteven to this day that game has had serious influence17:42
Lava_Croftbut you had wolf3d17:42
Lava_Croftthat ran faster and had nazis17:43
Lava_CroftPC always was great for 'simulation'17:43
Lava_Croftits just a sore spot, even now!17:43
Lava_Crofteverybody was praising stuff like wolf3d for being revolutionary17:44
Lava_Croftbefore this, you had the ultima series17:44
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Lava_Croftand the mother of Fallout, named Wasteland17:44
Lava_Croftstill has some of the best box art ever17:45
Lava_Croftit didnt age at all17:45
Lava_Croftthat game is as old as my wife17:45
Lava_Croftmaking me feel weird17:45
Lava_CroftGeneralAntilles: of course! :D17:46
Lava_Croftbut there's nothing wrong with edumacation17:46
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Lava_Croftthe stuff that games like ultima underworld did in 1992 become rather amazing if you look at how little games do more these days17:47
Lava_Croftits kind of akin to the N90017:47
kerioLava_Croft: dwarf fortress does a lot of stuff17:47
kerioa well-modded minecraft too17:47
kerio(feed the beast or tekkit)17:48
Lava_Croftwell, mods are different17:48
Lava_Croftftb and tekkit are both buggy, broken and run like crap17:48
Lava_Croftour tekkit server was so bad17:48
* kerio thinks back at his old ftb 1.4.7 server, where everything was set in easy mode17:48
Lava_Croftit would always make the other mc worlds nearly die17:48
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kerioi had Applied Energistics build ultimate solar panels out of UU-matter17:49
kerioi stopped at 8 chunks17:49
Lava_Croftwe just run vanilla MC, much more fun17:49
kerioi should start the MC server again17:49
Lava_Croftyou can hop on ours and do your thing17:50
Lava_Croftbut thats of course in the cloud17:50
keriodon't be silly17:50
Lava_Croftalthough you can download backups:)17:50
Lava_Croftworld backups, so you can load it locally17:51
kerioit's always ec217:51
Lava_Crofthavent played a lot of MC lately17:51
Lava_Croftim still waiting for a proper survival mode17:51
Lava_Croftit was promised to us quite some years ago :)17:51
* kerio bought it during alpha17:51
Lava_Crofti think i was gifted it when it was 5euros orso17:52
bennypr0fanedoes anyone have their N900 in R&D mode?17:52
Lava_CroftOreos does, iirc, but he doesnt seem to be here17:52
bennypr0faneis it normal for the keyboard to be lit while it's charging, powered off?17:53
Lava_Croftyeah, i think so17:53
Lava_Croftit lights the keyboards to show its doing stuff17:53
bennypr0faneyeah, "system activity"17:53
Lava_Croftlike, certain parts of the device that are in use will correspond with certain keyboard keys being lit up, if im correct17:53
LauRomanif the n900 seems to coldboot only when plugged in, but reboots just fine, is there a way to fix it, save of reflashing? i wanted to test a few apps and i think one of them broke it a little :)17:53
bennypr0faneI just didn't know charging the battery ws system activity17:54
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Lava_Croftbennypr0fane: technically it is and it might also do other stuff in the background?17:54
bennypr0faneI just reflashed fiasco image, and I thought it was dead for a while, but it finally booted when I plugged in the charger17:55
Lava_Crofti quit trying to understand what exactly the n900 does when in regard to charging and booting17:55
bennypr0faneby "booted" I mean the boot that it does when powered off, but the charger is plugged in17:55
bennypr0fanehaha, exactly17:56
bennypr0faneI find it weird that charging is governed by the kernel17:56
Lava_Croftits pretty shitty, yes17:56
bennypr0faneI picture that  as an electrical activity not needing digital control17:57
LauRomanwell it does something to boot (pardon the pun) when it charges, because i just broke my bootloader i think, and it coldboots only when plugged in, but orherwise reboots normally while of the charger :/17:57
bennypr0faneLauRoman, what is "coldboot"?17:58
Lava_CroftLauRoman: poke kerio, i know he is here and he probably knows something to try17:58
* kerio is not here17:58
LauRomanbennypr0fane, coldboot is normal boot from power button17:58
LauRomannot reboot button, not reboot started by an app17:58
bennypr0faneLava_Croft, kerio's prolly fed up with my queostining :-)17:59
kerioi don't get it, what's happening and what do you want to happen?17:59
LauRomannot boot started by charger17:59
bennypr0faneLauRoman, there's a reboot button?17:59
LauRomanbennypr0fane, there's a soft (screen) reboot button that is hidden17:59
keriothat button never works18:00
kerio`dsmetool -b` does18:00
kerioand anyway, try18:00
infobotit has been said that n900-full-reset is when the user presses the PWRON (power-on) button for 8 seconds and removes the battery in the next 8 seconds, the TPS65950 enters NO SUPPLY state instead of BACKUP state, even if a valid backup battery is present. In such a situation, the backup domain registers are also reset, along with the VRRTC domain registers.18:00
Lava_Croftreboot soft button works fine here18:00
Lava_Crofti just tested18:00
kerioor just remove the battery for a while18:00
Lava_Croftnow i have to reboot it18:00
LauRomankerio, i think one of two apps messed with the boot process somehow and i can reboot the device if it is powered on already, and i can boot the device if it is plugged in, i just can't boot it while it is not plugged in, so i guess it is not a battery problem18:02
LauRomanbecause i do have a spare18:02
LauRomanit was either the applet to turn ssh on and off or the one to change wlan drivers, both of which i wanted to test18:03
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keriodoes the led turn on when you tap the button as the n900 is turned off?18:03
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kerioalso, can you boot with the button after removing the battery?18:03
LauRomanlet's try that last one18:03
bennypr0fanehardfalcon1, I read that some other place what infobot said: "The N900 whose name is written in this note shall die.18:04
bennypr0fane    This note will not take effect unless the writer has the N900’s desktop in their mind when writing his/her name. Therefore, N900s sharing the same name will not be affected.18:04
bennypr0fane    If the cause of death is written within the next 40 seconds of writing the N900’s name, it will happen.18:04
bennypr0fane    If the cause of death is not specified, the N900 will simply die of a heart attack.18:04
bennypr0fane    After writing the cause of death, details of the death should be written in the next 6 minutes and 40 seconds."18:04
bennypr0fanenot hardfalcon1. damn tab key18:04
LauRomankerio, seems to boot fine after battery is removed18:04
keriosigns point to usb confusion of some sorts18:05
hardfalcon1my n900 won't die of a heart attack for it doesn't have a heart. it's mercyless.18:05
bennypr0faneyeah, mine too18:05
bennypr0faneis why when I want to kill it, I specify the cause of death :-D18:06
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bennypr0faneso I just reflashed it, and then tried to restore my last backup from sdcard. the backup stopped halfway through though, saying it ran out of memory18:10
bennypr0faneI don't understand that because everything fit in fine before, it's not like the memory shrunk in the meantime18:11
bennypr0faneBUT I did have CSSU thumb18:11
bennypr0fanedoes that mean all the apps I had installed were thumb compiled as well?18:12
LauRomankerio, then it probably was the wlan drivers i wanted to test18:14
LauRomanbennypr0fane, not really, unless they were from cssu-th repo18:15
bennypr0fanehow would you go about restoring everything? I guess I'll need to start by installing CSSU thumb? here's the thread with a description:
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keriowhat kind of backup do you have?18:18
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bennypr0fanekerio created by Maemo backup app, on sdcard18:25
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LauRomanthat backup app is only good for contacts app list (if you enable the same repos you had before the backup) and settings18:29
LauRomanbut the settings part may be good or bad18:29
japa-fibennypr0fane, for brighter future: have a look at backupmenu (maemo application)18:34
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Mick_FannHello.. I've been experiencing problems with N900 where two emails and one missed call is "stuck" in the events, even after reboot. There's no call logs, contacts gone, etc... After some research, I've found that the event database in /home/user/.rtcom-event(log?)/ev-??.db could be corrupted. Indeed it was, and after trying to rebuild / correct it with sqlite-3, I found out that /home dir was21:30
Mick_Fannmounted as read-only.21:30
SAiFwell I could have reset the phone to original settings or could have flashed. Well you know lot better than me.21:31
Mick_FannSo that would be the cause of all mess (and probably the db corruption). I wasn't able to remount the fs as read-write, not even forcing. Tryed to run fsck.ext3 on the ro-mounted fs quit, relating the fs was too messed up. The only solution I've found online was to reflash the device..21:32
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Mick_FannSo, before doing a full reflash, i've added a line "/sbin/fsck.ext3 -f -y /dev/mmcblk0p2" in /etc/default/rcS-late (something like that)..21:33
Mick_FannDevice wont start up anymore (maybe something went wrong with the fs check, some warning or whatever).. Is there anything I can do before a reflash to access this filesystem and try to fix it?21:35
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raccoon_Mick_Fann: are you sure the db isnt just read-only - because of the mount it resides on - rather than "corrupted"?21:37
raccoon_surely the db must be writable for email and call logs to be put there21:37
Mick_FannI'm also wondering, how could this parition get so messed up like this?21:38
Mick_Fannraccoon_ I'm sure, checked /proc/mounts.. Sure it was before the whole mess happend..21:38
Mick_FannI belive the filesystem got so messed up that maybe mount refued to mount it as rw?21:39
Mick_Fannthere's also plenty of free space on this partit (19% use), so that wouldnt be the reason to the db corruption either21:40
raccoon_sometimes linux kernel remounts a file-system as readonly if it encounters a file system error21:40
raccoon_to let the system be able to run as smooth as possible anyway21:40
raccoon_and possible not damage anything else more than necessary21:40
Mick_Fannyep.. I belive that too..21:41
raccoon_im new to the maemo platform but i guess that could explain your scenario21:41
raccoon_since it runs a modified linux kernel21:41
Mick_FannIm wondering how could I have access to this FS before maemo tries to mount it21:42
Mick_Fannspecially now, that the device can't be initialized21:42
Mick_FannWas hoping the trick to reflash (holding the 'u' key) could give access to this partition in some way21:43
Mick_Fannthat I could try to fix it with a computer running linux...21:43
raccoon_Mick_Fann: if you have that bootloader installed you could get the n900 to act as a usb disk from there21:44
raccoon_don't remember what it's called but maybe someone else here does21:44
Mick_Fannhopefully =)21:44
SAiF~seen robbiethe1st21:47
infobotrobbiethe1st <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 15h 52m 11s ago, saying: '!seen robbiethe1st'.21:47
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Mick_Fannto help, I'm in a remote area.. my "provisory 3G internet" has 150MB traffic limit /day and the flash image is 200MB21:49
Mick_Fann(kill me)21:49
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hardfalcon1Mick_Fann: can you give me a link to the exakt download file you need?22:01
hardfalcon1I can try to xz or bzip2 it for you, if you're lucky, that will help make it small enough22:02
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hardfalcon1and you can download it from a server that supports resuming downloads22:02
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hardfalcon1so you can spread the download over 2 days22:02
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Mick_Fannhardfalcon1 Thanx hardfalcon1, I kinda did it..22:04
hardfalcon1accessing the partition should be feasible as well (I suppose you're talking either of the huge fat32 partition in the NAND or the ubifs partiotion with rootfs22:04
Mick_FannDownloaded it remotely from a ssh account.. compressed and splitted it in several parts..22:04
hardfalcon1also a possibility :)22:04
Mick_FannIm downloading it one by one, as connection sometimes drops too22:05
hardfalcon1btw, you sure that 150mb/day is a strict limit? or does your ISP only cap your bandwith to GPRS after 150mb/day?22:05
Mick_Fannthey drop to a ridiculously low bw.. (32kbps).. yes, kBIT / s22:06
Mick_Fannthanks for the suggestions22:06
hardfalcon1yes, but it still let's through *some* data :)22:06
hardfalcon1I prefer having a slow connection to having none at all :)22:07
Mick_FannIm still willing to find a way to access these partitions in the N900 though, to try a fix22:07
Mick_Fannindeed.. at least mirc works at 32kbps =)22:07
hardfalcon1hmmmm, you can load a special kernel image into the N900 using the USB cable and any of the 2 flashing tools22:07
hardfalcon1IIRC you can even load that just into ram without flashing it at all22:08
hardfalcon1and there is a special emergency kernel image for situations like these22:08
ashleyany app developers (especially people with Android/Java experience) around? this request of mine may (or may not!) be of interest:
hardfalcon1but you'll have to mount everything by hand I guess (which isn't 100% straightforward for the ubifs partition(s) if I remember correctly)22:09
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hardfalcon1ashley: there is a calendar app that ships with maemo already?22:10
Mick_Fannhardfalcon1 hmm.. how does that work? Over a serial terminal?22:10
ashleyI'm obviously aware of the default calendar app :) but I'm not sure if it's the best tool for this task22:11
hardfalcon1Mick_Fann: you connect the N900 via the USB cable to your computer (on linux you will probably have to blacklist some bluetooth kernel module before you start), and then you can load a special kernel image into the n900's RAM and make it boot from that image22:11
hardfalcon1ashley: the default app offers a whole bunch of different views, including showing only the tasks for a single day22:13
ashleywhat about recurring events? since that's essentially what a timetable is...and having things like class room/building/teacher visible would certainly be helpful22:15
hardfalcon1an app that *I* would really love to see would be a version of the "Fahrplan" app that supports working offline with a local railway schedule database22:15
hardfalcon1you can put recurring events into the alarm clock app that ships with maemo22:16
hardfalcon1at least things that repeart every week or so22:16
hardfalcon1and there's an extra package in the repos offering birthday support for the schedule app IIRC22:17
hardfalcon1(IIRC because I'm not 100% sure right now if you even need to install an extra package at all for that feature)22:17
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hardfalcon1but I'll try to help Mick_Fann first, I guess he needs help more urgently with his issue ^^22:19
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hardfalcon1Mick_Fann: still there?22:23
hardfalcon1depending on what distro you are using on your laptop/computer, you might need to use different commands to unpack the RPM packages containing the rescue kernel and the rescue initrd22:25
hardfalcon1AFAIK you should also be able to use Palì's 0xFFFF tool instead of the proprietary Nokia flasher (but I'm not sure whether the parameters needed will be the same)22:27
hardfalcon1on my machines I have had situations where the flashing tool would exit just after plugging the n900 in22:28
hardfalcon1so I had to immediately start it again by quickly pushing "arrow up" and "return" on the host computer22:28
hardfalcon1but it's well possible that such problems only occur if you forget to unload that conflicting bluetooth kernel module (and in that case neither flasher not 0xFFFF will be able to function correctly anyhow)22:29
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Mick_Fannhardfalcon1 exactly what I needed!22:36
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Mick_FannGonna try it. thanks!22:36
hardfalcon1you're welcome, I've had these problems myself already several times, and every damn time, I had forgotten how I had solved the problem the last time :D22:36
hardfalcon1but I'm not sure if there exists some sort of fsck util for ubifs22:37
hardfalcon1so if your ubifs partition is behaving in strange ways on the filesystem level you might just wanna scrape off whatever you can rescue and then reflash the device22:38
hardfalcon1but I guess you're just having a problem of the sort "accidently flashed a new kernel image without installing the kernel modules for that kernel image"22:39
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sixwheeledbeastashley: I see no reason why the calendar/qalendar app in timetable view cannot do this.22:39
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hardfalcon1ashley: I've just checked, the default calendar app supports recurring tasks as well, you can select if they should repeat every day, every week, every month or every year22:44
hardfalcon1so that should do it for a timetable22:45
hardfalcon1just create multiple calendars so you can keep things seperated and don't mix anything up22:45
ashleyguess I'll have to try to play around with that, then22:45
hardfalcon1one calendar for the school schedule and one calendar with the holiday dates22:46
hardfalcon1If you don't find a specific feature, just ask, I'll try to help22:47
raccoon_ashley: one thing that i kinda missed out during my first days on n900... was that you can tap the title bar of an application22:48
raccoon_where there often is an application menu22:48
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raccoon_not in all cases, but many22:48
raccoon_that's where you change the calender view, for instance..22:48
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hardfalcon1Mick_Fann: here are two more pages that might help you if you still need them:22:50
hardfalcon1the first one with help on how to get wifi with WPA running and how to charge the battery, the second one with a section for windows users22:52
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hardfalcon1although I guess the windows section wouldn't help *that* much because it involves installing cygwin, thus causing a lot of download traffic22:53
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NIN101hardfalcon1: ResecueOS != meego rescue initrd.23:15
hardfalcon1yes, but that shouldn't matter as long as Mick somehow manages to access his files again23:16
hardfalcon1if one of them doesn't work, he can try the other one23:16
hardfalcon1btw, anyone of you folks coming to FrOSCon next weekend?23:17
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hardfalcon1is there a way to make sed accept \d as a shortcut for [0-9] ?23:34
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