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DocScrutinizer05please check http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/01:23
Win7Macthat site seems good, the text in your post seems a bit out of place01:28
Win7Mactakes quite a while to load01:28
bef0rdI don't see the create new thread01:33
DocScrutinizer05yes, www seems pretty slow01:36
DocScrutinizer05bef0rd: can you reply?01:36
Win7Machttp://imgur.com/rBRWZzJ01:37
bef0rdThere is a reply text with an envelope image, but its not clickable01:37
bef0rdi'm logged in01:37
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Win7Macsame as bedford here01:40
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DocScrutinizer05*sigh*01:48
DocScrutinizer05somebody at some point in time seriously ... "ignored" any handling of user permissions on particular objects in midgard01:49
DocScrutinizer05which resulted in that unspeakable vulnerability and by fixing that removed the means by which normal users e.g. could open new threads or answer on existing threads in http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/01:51
bef0rdwhat unspeakable vuln?01:51
bef0rd:P01:51
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DocScrutinizer05every user was allowed to edit or even delete any arbitrary object01:51
DocScrutinizer05incl whole repositories01:52
bef0rdah, who noticed it?01:52
DocScrutinizer05pali01:53
bef0rdgood01:53
DocScrutinizer05I never would have, since I'm admin on midgard and thus am supposed to have those permissions01:53
bef0rdI never login into midgard, just tmo01:54
DocScrutinizer05that's also why I'm still able to open a new thread on http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/01:54
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DocScrutinizer05errr wait!!!! you were not logged in to maemo.org (midgard) when you checked if you could answer my thread or create a new one?01:57
Win7Macboth01:57
DocScrutinizer05both?01:58
bef0rdno, I am, but normally I'm not logged in01:58
Win7Macon forum page there is no button, in post there is reply, but unclickable01:59
Win7Macsee http://imgur.com/rBRWZzJ01:59
DocScrutinizer05yes, I got that01:59
Win7Macno matter logged in or not02:00
DocScrutinizer05which is what you'd expect to see for visitors that are not authenticated to midgard/maemo.org02:00
Win7Maci didn't check reply while not logged in though02:01
Win7Macno logout, ya know02:02
DocScrutinizer05could you check http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ and my thread again?02:04
DocScrutinizer05I chenged some permissions, though I doubt it's possible to set them right02:05
DocScrutinizer05changed02:05
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Win7Macworks. Great, well done!02:07
DocScrutinizer05please create another screenshot for me, if possible with any menus opened to show what they contain02:08
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, you mean reply works02:11
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DocScrutinizer05well ok, that's even better since I changed permissions of http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/02:11
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DocScrutinizer05so the changed permissions a) were sufficient to reply and b) propagated to child objects02:12
Win7Machttp://imgur.com/dkoQAl402:12
DocScrutinizer05but I'm interested the most if you get a way to create new thready on http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ now02:13
DocScrutinizer05threads*02:13
Win7MacI prefer thready ;-)02:13
Win7Macsorry, I can't02:14
DocScrutinizer05the main issue seems to be that somebody ... "ignored" that normal users don't (or shouldn't) see a midgard toolbar02:14
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Win7Macsomebody 'forgot' on purpose?02:16
DocScrutinizer05most likely not on purpose02:17
DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopMb3743.png02:17
DocScrutinizer05also the "no logout2 problem02:18
DocScrutinizer05same root02:18
DocScrutinizer05logout is in midgard toolbar02:18
Win7Macyou know I don't have that bar right?02:19
DocScrutinizer05that's the problem02:19
Win7Macindeed02:19
DocScrutinizer05it's unclear if users are supposed to have it but not all options enabled, or they shouldn't see it at all02:19
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bef0rdi see the reply option but still can't see the create new thread02:20
DocScrutinizer05anyway the aforementioned vulnerability been that all users had that toolbar and it had menu entries to delete object, on repos, packages, posts, everything02:20
DocScrutinizer05as a first stopgap measure, Rambo removed permission for midgard menu from group "all users imported from garage"02:21
Win7Machide the unwanted options?02:21
DocScrutinizer05I dunno if that worked like that before02:22
bef0rdi remember the toolbar, can't see it now though02:22
DocScrutinizer05anyway we're not able to enable the menubar for above quoted usergroup now, since those are >>1000 users and midgard admin GUI blows chunks on editing the permissions for those02:23
DocScrutinizer05Rambo removed it via hacking the midgard mysql tables02:23
DocScrutinizer05via SQL02:23
DocScrutinizer05we're between a rock and a hard place now02:24
Win7Macif smth gets deleted it can't be undone?02:25
bef0rdi suppose there are no plans to move from midgard at the moment02:25
DocScrutinizer05no such plans02:27
DocScrutinizer05to put it simple (though useless info): http://maemo.org/__mfa/asgard_midcom.admin.user/group/edit/49666e1a682311dbb2a2a7f86e286e0c6e0c/ never loads02:27
DocScrutinizer05resp loads a blank page02:27
DocScrutinizer05since it tries to build a list of all users belonging to that usergroup02:28
DocScrutinizer05and that makes midgard/asgard explode02:28
Win7Mac^^ I get "Login02:29
Win7MacAccess denied: You need the privilege midcom.admin.user:access."02:29
DocScrutinizer05above group is "All users imported from garage.maemo.org"02:29
DocScrutinizer05sure, since you're no admin. that's why I said it's useless info for you02:29
Win7Macbut it doesn't load a blank page or never loads at all...02:31
DocScrutinizer05sure, since you're no admin. that's why I said it's useless info for you02:32
Win7Maci finally even got it already by now... ;-)02:33
Win7Macso a usergroup has to be manually setup?02:37
DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopQA3743.png is what I should get, and "Enable centralized toolbar" is what I'd need to set to "allow"02:38
Win7Macoh BTW, no idea if means anything, but woody mentioned that karma should work again by monday02:38
DocScrutinizer05"Enable centralized toolbar" is what Rambo set to "Deny" for "All users imported from garage.maemo.org" and that made midgard toolbar vanish02:40
DocScrutinizer05as you can see, the stupid page tries to load all users belonging to a group, and for "All users imported from garage.maemo.org" the number of records makes the page never load02:41
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Win7Maccan't you set up new user group and re-import from garage?02:45
Win7Mac*as group owner02:46
DocScrutinizer05this particular usergroup is a special customization using unix passwd authentication instead of midgard user table in db02:46
DocScrutinizer05nfc how to create such a usergroup02:46
DocScrutinizer05thus "imported from garage"02:47
Win7Macfrom your screenshot... "owner group"... "Group hierarchie imported from garage..." is that some kind of commend or just a comment?02:50
Win7Mac*command02:50
DocScrutinizer05it's still completely non-understood why regular users had the "delete" menu enabled in midgard toolbar02:50
DocScrutinizer05seems it's the name of this group02:51
DocScrutinizer05no idea02:51
DocScrutinizer05the footer is awesome too: >>GUID: 0748dfa0638f11e1a42b472f08bfb405b405, ID: 7568. Created by test admin on Thu Mar 1 11:09:35 2012 <<02:53
DocScrutinizer05first name "test", last name "admin"02:53
Win7Macsurely a pro...02:53
Win7Macare you into what woody meant when he said karma should work by monday?02:55
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DocScrutinizer05not exactly02:56
Win7Macprobably check with him if it's any midgard related02:56
DocScrutinizer05meh, we check with each other each day03:05
DocScrutinizer05I know about woody's karma work03:05
DocScrutinizer05and yes, it's faintly midgard related as well, but absolutely not user/group permissions related03:06
Win7Macmmhhh03:07
Win7Macmy best shot would be to establish new user group and try to re-link that to garage. or would that be overkill again?03:15
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DocScrutinizer05again, I have no idea how that special custom made usergroup gets implemented in midgard03:25
DocScrutinizer05definitely NOT via midgard admin GUI03:26
DocScrutinizer05but maybe you gave me another funny idea03:26
DocScrutinizer05I could replace /etc/passwd and /etc/groups with files that don't have 60k users in them. This might the midgard admin page to open for editing the group03:27
DocScrutinizer05s/might the/might allow the/03:28
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: I could replace /etc/passwd and /etc/groups with files that don't have 60k users in them. This might allow the midgard admin page to open for editing the group03:28
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DocScrutinizer05YUCK03:30
Win7Macwell, how can it be done at all, if NOT via midgard admin GUI?03:30
DocScrutinizer05might make maemo.org explode into my face03:30
DocScrutinizer05as mentioned above, Eero did it via direct mySQL command to tweak the midgard database03:31
DocScrutinizer05nobody on this planet except him and maybe max half a dozen other Nemein employees has the knowledge to do so03:32
Win7Macthat really sucks03:33
DocScrutinizer05indeed03:33
Win7Macand there is no pre-migration backup?03:34
Win7Macoh, just hit "report this"... button or mouse-over is not there, but link seems to work03:38
Win7Mac* here: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/http---maemo-org-community-maemo-developers_defect/03:38
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DocScrutinizer05scrap that idea regarding /etc/passwd, been based on false assumptions03:50
DocScrutinizer05users get *imported* from garage - means they are in midgard db already03:51
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lowkyalurgood morning12:09
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ApicA wonderful splendid Sunday to You all!14:39
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DocScrutinizer05moinmoin16:16
SpeedEvilMorning16:16
ApicHi.16:16
Win7Macmoin16:16
Win7Macwas just about to report that m.o is extreeemly slow, but right now it's very snappy again16:17
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it's quite changing. Nagios already tagged the www port80 service as "CRITICAL flapping"16:23
DocScrutinizer05ganglia even had a stall for quite a time, until I restarted it16:25
DocScrutinizer05strange enough load is pretty low, but general traffic on whole system is really high16:25
DocScrutinizer05or rather been16:26
Win7Macwhat's the difference in load/general traffic?16:26
DocScrutinizer05the (probably mirroring) attacker anyway seems has finished his maxing out of upling some 10min ago16:26
DocScrutinizer05load is CPU, traffic is tcp16:27
DocScrutinizer05simplified explanation16:27
Win7Macok16:27
DocScrutinizer05s/tcp/ethernet/16:28
DocScrutinizer05THEHECK! ganglia on www down again16:28
DocScrutinizer05monitor.m.o if you're interested16:29
Win7Macthat guy uploadedß16:32
Win7Mac?16:32
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DocScrutinizer05well, no. MRTG shows that uplink just sent to internet with 100Mbps16:38
DocScrutinizer05rcv been low16:38
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DocScrutinizer05that means somebody downloaded stuff, not uploaded16:39
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DocScrutinizer05but that seems not the root cause of www lags, nor of ganglia daemon lockups16:39
DocScrutinizer05http: //monitor . maemo . org/ganglia/?r=4hr&cs=&ce=&c=maemo&h=www&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=medium&metric_group=ALLGROUPS   actually Network on www been pretty low16:41
Win7Macphew... no idea16:47
DocScrutinizer05xes tuned www apache parameters quite a bit during last 2 days, since on friday the poor VM been really crying16:48
DocScrutinizer05OOM kicked processes like mad, due to apached processes hogging all RAM16:49
DocScrutinizer05so we reduced resources allocated to apache _drastically_ which seems to have helped cure the RAM hogging ( http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1369975318&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo ) but also seems to have reduced the responsiveness way more than we expected16:50
Win7Macprobably tweak the values again less conservative? Hopefully somebody with better knowledge can help.16:55
DocScrutinizer05we still see those bursts every morning 6:00 http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=www&m=mem_report&r=custom&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&cs=6%2F1%2F2013%205%3A29&ce=6%2F1%2F2013%2011%3A2116:56
DocScrutinizer05http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?r=custom&cs=06%2F02%2F2013+05%3A29+&ce=06%2F02%2F2013+11%3A21+&c=maemo&h=www&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=medium&metric_group=ALLGROUPS16:57
DocScrutinizer05but those might be our well-hated cronjobs, we will give more resources to apache nevertheless16:58
DocScrutinizer05our approach been to cut down resources for apache radically and observe for the weekend, then evaluate and re-adjust based on our findings16:59
DocScrutinizer05great, I'm an idiot posting the ganglia URLs here17:02
DocScrutinizer05((Hopefully somebody with better knowledge can help.)) I think our knowledge is sufficient, it's just our historical data that's sparse, to base the optimal settings for apache on17:10
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DocScrutinizer05thanks nevertheless for trusting in your techstaff team :-D17:10
Win7Mac;-)17:10
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DocScrutinizer05another 32GB of RAM would do wonders I bet17:11
DocScrutinizer05a 64GB ram total for THREE blades would be a dream17:14
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DocScrutinizer05and another 2TB storage on skeiron also could help take out some pressure17:16
Win7Macanother 32GB of RAM - how much $ would that be?17:16
* DocScrutinizer05 knew this question would come up17:16
Win7Maccan we afford it with some donations?17:17
DocScrutinizer05a few hundred17:17
DocScrutinizer05I can't find the invoice/specs-sheet/order for the supermicro right now17:18
RaimuThank god RAM is pretty cheap per GB these days.17:18
rikaneeRaimu: it's probably 32GB of ECC RAM17:19
DocScrutinizer05yep, not that expensive17:19
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: how many GB per DIMM needed to get 32GB on the server?17:19
DocScrutinizer05http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/mem.cfm17:19
rikanee4GB RDIMM is peanuts17:20
DocScrutinizer05http://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/2u/2027/SYS-2027TR-HTRF.cfm?parts=SHOW17:20
DocScrutinizer05> >2. Up to 256GB DDR3 1600MHz ECC    Registered DIMM; 8x DIMM sockets<<17:20
rikaneehow many of them are populated?17:21
DocScrutinizer05err, one or two17:21
DocScrutinizer05that's the problem, per blade we have two slots iirc17:21
DocScrutinizer05err nope17:22
DocScrutinizer05http://www.supermicro.nl/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRT-HF.cfm17:22
DocScrutinizer05each such blade consist of two systems17:23
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: interesting, that's a two-node blade?17:23
DocScrutinizer05we got 4 blades = 8 potential systems, of which two (blade-a, blade-b) are populated17:23
rikaneeI thought it was a dual-socket node.17:23
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: yes17:23
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DocScrutinizer05well, I thought we have two separate systems on each blade. Might however also be dual-socket system per blade17:24
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: so each node has 2x2GB DDR3 RDIMM?17:25
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DocScrutinizer05ugh? no17:25
DocScrutinizer05each blade has 32GB17:25
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DocScrutinizer05I *think* in 2 SIMM a 16GB17:26
rikaneeah, so 2x8GB per node, making 32GB/blade.17:26
DocScrutinizer05no17:26
rikanee1x16GB per node x2?17:27
DocScrutinizer05we have one processor and 2*16GB, on two physical blades17:27
rikaneeouch!17:27
DocScrutinizer05ouch?17:27
rikanee16GB DIMMs are /expensive/17:27
DocScrutinizer05toldya, a frw hundred17:27
DocScrutinizer05few*17:28
rikanee(to match them for dual-channel operation, of course)17:28
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DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Operational_Platform17:29
Win7Macfrom specs: "Support ECC and non-ECC UDIMMs"17:29
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rikaneeWin7Mac: running UDIMM on a server is a no-no17:30
Win7Macah ok17:31
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* rikanee reminds myself that I will never, ever be able to bump against my processor's 144GB RAM limit17:33
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DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopVf3743.png  <- server component list17:37
DocScrutinizer05so 8 * 8GB17:38
DocScrutinizer054 per blade17:38
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, should I do a Twitter plug? "A new blade for maemo.org was discussed in the last council meeting, hit DocScrutinizer's PayPal if you'd like to help out." Or something <140 chars.17:40
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I wouldn't mind, though I honestly think HiFo shall pay it, they already gathered >4000bucks17:42
DocScrutinizer05the birdseed for populating a third blade is ~1000EUR IIRC17:42
DocScrutinizer05plus HDD?17:42
GeneralAntillesFor replenishing the 4k, then.17:43
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DocScrutinizer05you're free to amazon/ebay/google the components according to http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopVf3743.png17:43
DocScrutinizer058x 240-pin DDR3 DIMM sockets17:44
Win7Macso RAM can't be added but has to be replaced by 16GB modules because all slots already in use?17:44
DocScrutinizer05Supports up to 256 GB DDR3 ECC Registered memory (RDIMM)17:44
DocScrutinizer05Supports up to 64 GB DDR3 ECC/non-ECC Un-Buffered memory (UDIMM)17:44
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: still to be evaluated17:44
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: you'll have to make sure timing/latency and ranking is the same too17:45
DocScrutinizer05having only one CPU populated might restrict DIMM slot usage to 4 of the 817:45
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: there's a comprehensive memory population guide in the blades' UM17:46
DocScrutinizer05I'm just too lazy to read it right now17:46
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Win7MacI only specs, but what RAM models actually in use?17:46
Win7Maci *see17:46
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DocScrutinizer05rikanee: anyway, you're absolutely right17:47
DocScrutinizer05thanks17:47
GeneralAntillesOK: https://twitter.com/GeneralAntilles/status/34120411729063117117:47
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopVf3743.png17:47
DocScrutinizer05PC3-1280017:48
DocScrutinizer05PC3-12800R CL1117:48
Win7Macin order to add RAM we'd have to know what exactly is place now, maker/model17:49
DocScrutinizer05no idea about the brand17:49
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DocScrutinizer05I don't think that's generally true, just for same bank17:50
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: apparently, the Xeon E5 can't do PC3-12800 on factory dividers, so you can save some cash by buying PC3-10600 instead17:50
DocScrutinizer05or channel, or whatever17:50
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DocScrutinizer05rikanee: I'd like to go with http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/mem.cfm17:52
DocScrutinizer05and http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/memory/X9_DP_memory_config.pdf17:52
RaimuOh, supermicro17:53
RaimuTakes me back17:53
Win7Macso there should be 4 slots available17:54
Win7Machttp://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=ramddr3regecc&sort=p&v=e&xf=254_1600~440_registered+ECC~1454_8192~253_32768#xf_top17:58
Win7Macin case they match17:59
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DocScrutinizer05hmm yup, ~300bucks per 32GB sounds correct18:04
DocScrutinizer05((so there should be 4 slots available)) still unclear, might need a 2nd CPU on the blade to use them18:05
DocScrutinizer05but yes, 4 are free18:05
DocScrutinizer054 are used by 4 * 8GB18:05
DocScrutinizer05supermicro certifies for hynix, samsung, and micron: http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/memory/display.cfm?mspd=1.6&mtyp=44&id=EC81948532EA8BE7088BA17CAAA244F4&prid=82621&type=DDR3&ecc=1&reg=1&fbd=018:08
Win7Macfor 4GB modules: http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/memory/display.cfm?sz=4.0&mspd=1.6&mtyp=44&id=EC81948532EA8BE7088BA17CAAA244F4&prid=82621&type=DDR3&ecc=1&reg=1&fbd=018:08
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Win7Macif you're lucky it's the samsungs: http://www.server-ram.de/ddr3-ram/samsung-m393b5273dh0-ck0-m393b5273dh0-ck0.html18:11
DocScrutinizer05nope, those: http://www.server-ram.de/ddr3-ram/samsung-m393b1k70dh0-yh9-m393b1k70dh0-yh9.html18:14
Win7Macsure? they are Low Voltage only18:16
DocScrutinizer05yeah18:16
Win7Macgooood ;-)18:16
DocScrutinizer05M393B1K70DH0-CK018:17
DocScrutinizer05we need18:17
DocScrutinizer05populated with K4B2G0446D-HCK018:18
DocScrutinizer05or M393B2G70BH0-CK0 16GB modules ;-)18:19
DocScrutinizer05"yeah" wasn't "yeah, i'm sure" but "yeah, you're right, those are low voltage and probably the wrong ones"18:20
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Win7Macwhen you buy, make sure it's a kit or they have serials in a row18:22
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DocScrutinizer05:nod:18:22
DocScrutinizer05usually that's given18:22
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fastlane`hey guys18:39
fastlane`have a lil question,18:39
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fastlane`i wanted tu put a user on ignore, i used /ignore nick ALL18:39
fastlane`but when they change nick they get unignored,18:39
fastlane`on xchat that is18:39
DocScrutinizer05well, that's irc18:39
fastlane`can i ignore on ident18:40
fastlane`or ip18:40
DocScrutinizer05probably18:40
DocScrutinizer05nick!user@hostmask18:40
DocScrutinizer05wildcard allowed18:40
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DocScrutinizer05ignore DocScrutinizer*, or *!joerg_rw@*, or *!*@openmoko/*18:41
DocScrutinizer05/hois DocScrutinizer0518:42
DocScrutinizer05/whois DocScrutinizer0518:42
DocScrutinizer05even18:42
fastlane`btw18:42
fastlane`why r 2 of you here18:42
fastlane`05 and 5118:42
fastlane`other is some bot of yours?18:42
DocScrutinizer05because I have up to 5 clients running, one of them _not_ via a bouncer18:43
DocScrutinizer05since, sometimes the bouncer (ZNC) also might get disconnected18:43
fastlane`i see18:44
fastlane`testing ..18:44
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DocScrutinizer05rebooting www.maemo.org!19:50
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: thanks20:03
Sc0rpiusI'm editing a post in TMO20:06
Sc0rpiusand the changes doesn't get saved?20:07
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Sc0rpiusthe "Title" of the post specifically20:07
Sc0rpiushttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1215209#post1215209 <-- trying to change the verrsion number to 0.0.34 and I just can't :(20:09
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DocScrutinizer05anybody could confirm/proofread a upstart script for me?20:53
DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/d031ce5acb20:53
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Win7MacAny wordpress talents around? - I'm having trouble finding the right combination of html5 video-player and -gallery/lightbox21:16
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Vibehi22:12
Vibedamn my n900 screen got broken22:12
Vibemy fault..22:12
Vibewhere do you recommend to buy new one?22:12
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kralorVibe: ebay? :P22:23
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Vibeyea like this :p -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/original-Nokia-N900-LC-Display-LCD-Display-Screen-NEU-/171035513694?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item27d282d35e22:42
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DocScrutinizer05incredibly good offer23:03
DocScrutinizer05consider to get a new digitizer as well23:03
DocScrutinizer05aka touchpanel23:04
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DocScrutinizer05wait, "Idealer Ersatz für jedes zerkratzte oder defekte Display"??? When that's the LCD then it hardly ever gets scratched23:05
DocScrutinizer05when it's the digitizer (which gets scratched) then it's probably not what's broken for you23:05
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DocScrutinizer05Vibe: rather consider this: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Nokia-Display-Touch-Screen-Reparatur-N900-NEU-/160423716971?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item2559ffa86b23:10
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Vibehmmm23:30
Vibeits looking like this in the beginning, different colors on the screen -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQ81cahD1c23:31
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Vibetouchscreen worked after colors came, but couldn't see properly after while23:32
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