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DocScrutinizer05 | please check http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ | 01:23 |
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Win7Mac | that site seems good, the text in your post seems a bit out of place | 01:28 |
Win7Mac | takes quite a while to load | 01:28 |
bef0rd | I don't see the create new thread | 01:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes, www seems pretty slow | 01:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | bef0rd: can you reply? | 01:36 |
Win7Mac | http://imgur.com/rBRWZzJ | 01:37 |
bef0rd | There is a reply text with an envelope image, but its not clickable | 01:37 |
bef0rd | i'm logged in | 01:37 |
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Win7Mac | same as bedford here | 01:40 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 01:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | somebody at some point in time seriously ... "ignored" any handling of user permissions on particular objects in midgard | 01:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which resulted in that unspeakable vulnerability and by fixing that removed the means by which normal users e.g. could open new threads or answer on existing threads in http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ | 01:51 |
bef0rd | what unspeakable vuln? | 01:51 |
bef0rd | :P | 01:51 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | every user was allowed to edit or even delete any arbitrary object | 01:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | incl whole repositories | 01:52 |
bef0rd | ah, who noticed it? | 01:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | pali | 01:53 |
bef0rd | good | 01:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I never would have, since I'm admin on midgard and thus am supposed to have those permissions | 01:53 |
bef0rd | I never login into midgard, just tmo | 01:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's also why I'm still able to open a new thread on http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ | 01:54 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | errr wait!!!! you were not logged in to maemo.org (midgard) when you checked if you could answer my thread or create a new one? | 01:57 |
Win7Mac | both | 01:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | both? | 01:58 |
bef0rd | no, I am, but normally I'm not logged in | 01:58 |
Win7Mac | on forum page there is no button, in post there is reply, but unclickable | 01:59 |
Win7Mac | see http://imgur.com/rBRWZzJ | 01:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I got that | 01:59 |
Win7Mac | no matter logged in or not | 02:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which is what you'd expect to see for visitors that are not authenticated to midgard/maemo.org | 02:00 |
Win7Mac | i didn't check reply while not logged in though | 02:01 |
Win7Mac | no logout, ya know | 02:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | could you check http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ and my thread again? | 02:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I chenged some permissions, though I doubt it's possible to set them right | 02:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | changed | 02:05 |
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Win7Mac | works. Great, well done! | 02:07 |
DocScrutinizer05 | please create another screenshot for me, if possible with any menus opened to show what they contain | 02:08 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you mean reply works | 02:11 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | well ok, that's even better since I changed permissions of http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ | 02:11 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | so the changed permissions a) were sufficient to reply and b) propagated to child objects | 02:12 |
Win7Mac | http://imgur.com/dkoQAl4 | 02:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm interested the most if you get a way to create new thready on http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ now | 02:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | threads* | 02:13 |
Win7Mac | I prefer thready ;-) | 02:13 |
Win7Mac | sorry, I can't | 02:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the main issue seems to be that somebody ... "ignored" that normal users don't (or shouldn't) see a midgard toolbar | 02:14 |
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Win7Mac | somebody 'forgot' on purpose? | 02:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | most likely not on purpose | 02:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopMb3743.png | 02:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | also the "no logout2 problem | 02:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | same root | 02:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | logout is in midgard toolbar | 02:18 |
Win7Mac | you know I don't have that bar right? | 02:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's the problem | 02:19 |
Win7Mac | indeed | 02:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's unclear if users are supposed to have it but not all options enabled, or they shouldn't see it at all | 02:19 |
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bef0rd | i see the reply option but still can't see the create new thread | 02:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the aforementioned vulnerability been that all users had that toolbar and it had menu entries to delete object, on repos, packages, posts, everything | 02:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | as a first stopgap measure, Rambo removed permission for midgard menu from group "all users imported from garage" | 02:21 |
Win7Mac | hide the unwanted options? | 02:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if that worked like that before | 02:22 |
bef0rd | i remember the toolbar, can't see it now though | 02:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anyway we're not able to enable the menubar for above quoted usergroup now, since those are >>1000 users and midgard admin GUI blows chunks on editing the permissions for those | 02:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Rambo removed it via hacking the midgard mysql tables | 02:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | via SQL | 02:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | we're between a rock and a hard place now | 02:24 |
Win7Mac | if smth gets deleted it can't be undone? | 02:25 |
bef0rd | i suppose there are no plans to move from midgard at the moment | 02:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no such plans | 02:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | to put it simple (though useless info): http://maemo.org/__mfa/asgard_midcom.admin.user/group/edit/49666e1a682311dbb2a2a7f86e286e0c6e0c/ never loads | 02:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | resp loads a blank page | 02:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | since it tries to build a list of all users belonging to that usergroup | 02:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and that makes midgard/asgard explode | 02:28 |
Win7Mac | ^^ I get "Login | 02:29 |
Win7Mac | Access denied: You need the privilege midcom.admin.user:access." | 02:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | above group is "All users imported from garage.maemo.org" | 02:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure, since you're no admin. that's why I said it's useless info for you | 02:29 |
Win7Mac | but it doesn't load a blank page or never loads at all... | 02:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure, since you're no admin. that's why I said it's useless info for you | 02:32 |
Win7Mac | i finally even got it already by now... ;-) | 02:33 |
Win7Mac | so a usergroup has to be manually setup? | 02:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopQA3743.png is what I should get, and "Enable centralized toolbar" is what I'd need to set to "allow" | 02:38 |
Win7Mac | oh BTW, no idea if means anything, but woody mentioned that karma should work again by monday | 02:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | "Enable centralized toolbar" is what Rambo set to "Deny" for "All users imported from garage.maemo.org" and that made midgard toolbar vanish | 02:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | as you can see, the stupid page tries to load all users belonging to a group, and for "All users imported from garage.maemo.org" the number of records makes the page never load | 02:41 |
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Win7Mac | can't you set up new user group and re-import from garage? | 02:45 |
Win7Mac | *as group owner | 02:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | this particular usergroup is a special customization using unix passwd authentication instead of midgard user table in db | 02:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nfc how to create such a usergroup | 02:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | thus "imported from garage" | 02:47 |
Win7Mac | from your screenshot... "owner group"... "Group hierarchie imported from garage..." is that some kind of commend or just a comment? | 02:50 |
Win7Mac | *command | 02:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's still completely non-understood why regular users had the "delete" menu enabled in midgard toolbar | 02:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's the name of this group | 02:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no idea | 02:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the footer is awesome too: >>GUID: 0748dfa0638f11e1a42b472f08bfb405b405, ID: 7568. Created by test admin on Thu Mar 1 11:09:35 2012 << | 02:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | first name "test", last name "admin" | 02:53 |
Win7Mac | surely a pro... | 02:53 |
Win7Mac | are you into what woody meant when he said karma should work by monday? | 02:55 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly | 02:56 |
Win7Mac | probably check with him if it's any midgard related | 02:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | meh, we check with each other each day | 03:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I know about woody's karma work | 03:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, it's faintly midgard related as well, but absolutely not user/group permissions related | 03:06 |
Win7Mac | mmhhh | 03:07 |
Win7Mac | my best shot would be to establish new user group and try to re-link that to garage. or would that be overkill again? | 03:15 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | again, I have no idea how that special custom made usergroup gets implemented in midgard | 03:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | definitely NOT via midgard admin GUI | 03:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe you gave me another funny idea | 03:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I could replace /etc/passwd and /etc/groups with files that don't have 60k users in them. This might the midgard admin page to open for editing the group | 03:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | s/might the/might allow the/ | 03:28 |
infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: I could replace /etc/passwd and /etc/groups with files that don't have 60k users in them. This might allow the midgard admin page to open for editing the group | 03:28 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | YUCK | 03:30 |
Win7Mac | well, how can it be done at all, if NOT via midgard admin GUI? | 03:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | might make maemo.org explode into my face | 03:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | as mentioned above, Eero did it via direct mySQL command to tweak the midgard database | 03:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nobody on this planet except him and maybe max half a dozen other Nemein employees has the knowledge to do so | 03:32 |
Win7Mac | that really sucks | 03:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 03:33 |
Win7Mac | and there is no pre-migration backup? | 03:34 |
Win7Mac | oh, just hit "report this"... button or mouse-over is not there, but link seems to work | 03:38 |
Win7Mac | * here: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/http---maemo-org-community-maemo-developers_defect/ | 03:38 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | scrap that idea regarding /etc/passwd, been based on false assumptions | 03:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | users get *imported* from garage - means they are in midgard db already | 03:51 |
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lowkyalur | good morning | 12:09 |
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Apic | A wonderful splendid Sunday to You all! | 14:39 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | moinmoin | 16:16 |
SpeedEvil | Morning | 16:16 |
Apic | Hi. | 16:16 |
Win7Mac | moin | 16:16 |
Win7Mac | was just about to report that m.o is extreeemly slow, but right now it's very snappy again | 16:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's quite changing. Nagios already tagged the www port80 service as "CRITICAL flapping" | 16:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ganglia even had a stall for quite a time, until I restarted it | 16:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | strange enough load is pretty low, but general traffic on whole system is really high | 16:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or rather been | 16:26 |
Win7Mac | what's the difference in load/general traffic? | 16:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the (probably mirroring) attacker anyway seems has finished his maxing out of upling some 10min ago | 16:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | load is CPU, traffic is tcp | 16:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | simplified explanation | 16:27 |
Win7Mac | ok | 16:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | s/tcp/ethernet/ | 16:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | THEHECK! ganglia on www down again | 16:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | monitor.m.o if you're interested | 16:29 |
Win7Mac | that guy uploadedß | 16:32 |
Win7Mac | ? | 16:32 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | well, no. MRTG shows that uplink just sent to internet with 100Mbps | 16:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | rcv been low | 16:38 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | that means somebody downloaded stuff, not uploaded | 16:39 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | but that seems not the root cause of www lags, nor of ganglia daemon lockups | 16:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http: //monitor . maemo . org/ganglia/?r=4hr&cs=&ce=&c=maemo&h=www&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=medium&metric_group=ALLGROUPS actually Network on www been pretty low | 16:41 |
Win7Mac | phew... no idea | 16:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | xes tuned www apache parameters quite a bit during last 2 days, since on friday the poor VM been really crying | 16:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | OOM kicked processes like mad, due to apached processes hogging all RAM | 16:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so we reduced resources allocated to apache _drastically_ which seems to have helped cure the RAM hogging ( http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1369975318&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo ) but also seems to have reduced the responsiveness way more than we expected | 16:50 |
Win7Mac | probably tweak the values again less conservative? Hopefully somebody with better knowledge can help. | 16:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | we still see those bursts every morning 6:00 http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=www&m=mem_report&r=custom&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&cs=6%2F1%2F2013%205%3A29&ce=6%2F1%2F2013%2011%3A21 | 16:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?r=custom&cs=06%2F02%2F2013+05%3A29+&ce=06%2F02%2F2013+11%3A21+&c=maemo&h=www&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=medium&metric_group=ALLGROUPS | 16:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but those might be our well-hated cronjobs, we will give more resources to apache nevertheless | 16:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | our approach been to cut down resources for apache radically and observe for the weekend, then evaluate and re-adjust based on our findings | 16:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | great, I'm an idiot posting the ganglia URLs here | 17:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ((Hopefully somebody with better knowledge can help.)) I think our knowledge is sufficient, it's just our historical data that's sparse, to base the optimal settings for apache on | 17:10 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | thanks nevertheless for trusting in your techstaff team :-D | 17:10 |
Win7Mac | ;-) | 17:10 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | another 32GB of RAM would do wonders I bet | 17:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | a 64GB ram total for THREE blades would be a dream | 17:14 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | and another 2TB storage on skeiron also could help take out some pressure | 17:16 |
Win7Mac | another 32GB of RAM - how much $ would that be? | 17:16 |
* DocScrutinizer05 knew this question would come up | 17:16 | |
Win7Mac | can we afford it with some donations? | 17:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | a few hundred | 17:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I can't find the invoice/specs-sheet/order for the supermicro right now | 17:18 |
Raimu | Thank god RAM is pretty cheap per GB these days. | 17:18 |
rikanee | Raimu: it's probably 32GB of ECC RAM | 17:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yep, not that expensive | 17:19 |
rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: how many GB per DIMM needed to get 32GB on the server? | 17:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/mem.cfm | 17:19 |
rikanee | 4GB RDIMM is peanuts | 17:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/2u/2027/SYS-2027TR-HTRF.cfm?parts=SHOW | 17:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | > >2. Up to 256GB DDR3 1600MHz ECC Registered DIMM; 8x DIMM sockets<< | 17:20 |
rikanee | how many of them are populated? | 17:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | err, one or two | 17:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's the problem, per blade we have two slots iirc | 17:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | err nope | 17:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.supermicro.nl/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRT-HF.cfm | 17:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | each such blade consist of two systems | 17:23 |
rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: interesting, that's a two-node blade? | 17:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | we got 4 blades = 8 potential systems, of which two (blade-a, blade-b) are populated | 17:23 |
rikanee | I thought it was a dual-socket node. | 17:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: yes | 17:23 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | well, I thought we have two separate systems on each blade. Might however also be dual-socket system per blade | 17:24 |
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rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: so each node has 2x2GB DDR3 RDIMM? | 17:25 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ugh? no | 17:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | each blade has 32GB | 17:25 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* in 2 SIMM a 16GB | 17:26 |
rikanee | ah, so 2x8GB per node, making 32GB/blade. | 17:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no | 17:26 |
rikanee | 1x16GB per node x2? | 17:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | we have one processor and 2*16GB, on two physical blades | 17:27 |
rikanee | ouch! | 17:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ouch? | 17:27 |
rikanee | 16GB DIMMs are /expensive/ | 17:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | toldya, a frw hundred | 17:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | few* | 17:28 |
rikanee | (to match them for dual-channel operation, of course) | 17:28 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Operational_Platform | 17:29 |
Win7Mac | from specs: "Support ECC and non-ECC UDIMMs" | 17:29 |
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rikanee | Win7Mac: running UDIMM on a server is a no-no | 17:30 |
Win7Mac | ah ok | 17:31 |
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* rikanee reminds myself that I will never, ever be able to bump against my processor's 144GB RAM limit | 17:33 | |
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DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopVf3743.png <- server component list | 17:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so 8 * 8GB | 17:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 4 per blade | 17:38 |
GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, should I do a Twitter plug? "A new blade for maemo.org was discussed in the last council meeting, hit DocScrutinizer's PayPal if you'd like to help out." Or something <140 chars. | 17:40 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I wouldn't mind, though I honestly think HiFo shall pay it, they already gathered >4000bucks | 17:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the birdseed for populating a third blade is ~1000EUR IIRC | 17:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | plus HDD? | 17:42 |
GeneralAntilles | For replenishing the 4k, then. | 17:43 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to amazon/ebay/google the components according to http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopVf3743.png | 17:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 8x 240-pin DDR3 DIMM sockets | 17:44 |
Win7Mac | so RAM can't be added but has to be replaced by 16GB modules because all slots already in use? | 17:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Supports up to 256 GB DDR3 ECC Registered memory (RDIMM) | 17:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Supports up to 64 GB DDR3 ECC/non-ECC Un-Buffered memory (UDIMM) | 17:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: still to be evaluated | 17:44 |
rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: you'll have to make sure timing/latency and ranking is the same too | 17:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | having only one CPU populated might restrict DIMM slot usage to 4 of the 8 | 17:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: there's a comprehensive memory population guide in the blades' UM | 17:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just too lazy to read it right now | 17:46 |
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Win7Mac | I only specs, but what RAM models actually in use? | 17:46 |
Win7Mac | i *see | 17:46 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: anyway, you're absolutely right | 17:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 17:47 |
GeneralAntilles | OK: https://twitter.com/GeneralAntilles/status/341204117290631171 | 17:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopVf3743.png | 17:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | PC3-12800 | 17:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | PC3-12800R CL11 | 17:48 |
Win7Mac | in order to add RAM we'd have to know what exactly is place now, maker/model | 17:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no idea about the brand | 17:49 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think that's generally true, just for same bank | 17:50 |
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rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: apparently, the Xeon E5 can't do PC3-12800 on factory dividers, so you can save some cash by buying PC3-10600 instead | 17:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or channel, or whatever | 17:50 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: I'd like to go with http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/mem.cfm | 17:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/memory/X9_DP_memory_config.pdf | 17:52 |
Raimu | Oh, supermicro | 17:53 |
Raimu | Takes me back | 17:53 |
Win7Mac | so there should be 4 slots available | 17:54 |
Win7Mac | http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=ramddr3regecc&sort=p&v=e&xf=254_1600~440_registered+ECC~1454_8192~253_32768#xf_top | 17:58 |
Win7Mac | in case they match | 17:59 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yup, ~300bucks per 32GB sounds correct | 18:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ((so there should be 4 slots available)) still unclear, might need a 2nd CPU on the blade to use them | 18:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, 4 are free | 18:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 4 are used by 4 * 8GB | 18:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | supermicro certifies for hynix, samsung, and micron: http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/memory/display.cfm?mspd=1.6&mtyp=44&id=EC81948532EA8BE7088BA17CAAA244F4&prid=82621&type=DDR3&ecc=1®=1&fbd=0 | 18:08 |
Win7Mac | for 4GB modules: http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/memory/display.cfm?sz=4.0&mspd=1.6&mtyp=44&id=EC81948532EA8BE7088BA17CAAA244F4&prid=82621&type=DDR3&ecc=1®=1&fbd=0 | 18:08 |
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Win7Mac | if you're lucky it's the samsungs: http://www.server-ram.de/ddr3-ram/samsung-m393b5273dh0-ck0-m393b5273dh0-ck0.html | 18:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nope, those: http://www.server-ram.de/ddr3-ram/samsung-m393b1k70dh0-yh9-m393b1k70dh0-yh9.html | 18:14 |
Win7Mac | sure? they are Low Voltage only | 18:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 18:16 |
Win7Mac | gooood ;-) | 18:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | M393B1K70DH0-CK0 | 18:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | we need | 18:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | populated with K4B2G0446D-HCK0 | 18:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or M393B2G70BH0-CK0 16GB modules ;-) | 18:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | "yeah" wasn't "yeah, i'm sure" but "yeah, you're right, those are low voltage and probably the wrong ones" | 18:20 |
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Win7Mac | when you buy, make sure it's a kit or they have serials in a row | 18:22 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 18:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | usually that's given | 18:22 |
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fastlane` | hey guys | 18:39 |
fastlane` | have a lil question, | 18:39 |
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fastlane` | i wanted tu put a user on ignore, i used /ignore nick ALL | 18:39 |
fastlane` | but when they change nick they get unignored, | 18:39 |
fastlane` | on xchat that is | 18:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's irc | 18:39 |
fastlane` | can i ignore on ident | 18:40 |
fastlane` | or ip | 18:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | probably | 18:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nick!user@hostmask | 18:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | wildcard allowed | 18:40 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ignore DocScrutinizer*, or *!joerg_rw@*, or *!*@openmoko/* | 18:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | /hois DocScrutinizer05 | 18:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | /whois DocScrutinizer05 | 18:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | even | 18:42 |
fastlane` | btw | 18:42 |
fastlane` | why r 2 of you here | 18:42 |
fastlane` | 05 and 51 | 18:42 |
fastlane` | other is some bot of yours? | 18:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | because I have up to 5 clients running, one of them _not_ via a bouncer | 18:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | since, sometimes the bouncer (ZNC) also might get disconnected | 18:43 |
fastlane` | i see | 18:44 |
fastlane` | testing .. | 18:44 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | rebooting www.maemo.org! | 19:50 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 20:03 |
Sc0rpius | I'm editing a post in TMO | 20:06 |
Sc0rpius | and the changes doesn't get saved? | 20:07 |
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Sc0rpius | the "Title" of the post specifically | 20:07 |
Sc0rpius | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1215209#post1215209 <-- trying to change the verrsion number to 0.0.34 and I just can't :( | 20:09 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | anybody could confirm/proofread a upstart script for me? | 20:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/d031ce5acb | 20:53 |
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Win7Mac | Any wordpress talents around? - I'm having trouble finding the right combination of html5 video-player and -gallery/lightbox | 21:16 |
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Vibe | hi | 22:12 |
Vibe | damn my n900 screen got broken | 22:12 |
Vibe | my fault.. | 22:12 |
Vibe | where do you recommend to buy new one? | 22:12 |
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kralor | Vibe: ebay? :P | 22:23 |
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Vibe | yea like this :p -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/original-Nokia-N900-LC-Display-LCD-Display-Screen-NEU-/171035513694?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item27d282d35e | 22:42 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | incredibly good offer | 23:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | consider to get a new digitizer as well | 23:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | aka touchpanel | 23:04 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | wait, "Idealer Ersatz für jedes zerkratzte oder defekte Display"??? When that's the LCD then it hardly ever gets scratched | 23:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | when it's the digitizer (which gets scratched) then it's probably not what's broken for you | 23:05 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | Vibe: rather consider this: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Nokia-Display-Touch-Screen-Reparatur-N900-NEU-/160423716971?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item2559ffa86b | 23:10 |
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Vibe | hmmm | 23:30 |
Vibe | its looking like this in the beginning, different colors on the screen -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQ81cahD1c | 23:31 |
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Vibe | touchscreen worked after colors came, but couldn't see properly after while | 23:32 |
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