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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just downloaded and installed into suse vmm the ubuntu lucid desktop vm | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems pretty up to date, according to the readme files | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maemosdk_desktop_lucid-36-2.vmdk | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 01:21 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: can't download it :( | 01:31 |
| jon_y | error about duplicate http headers | 01:31 |
| xes | joga: try this: http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 01:35 |
| xes | ^jon_y | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I dunno, I downloaded them via kget | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually you should go http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php and "accept" | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then download will work, I guess | 01:53 |
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| pavi | My N900 doesnt recognise the USB . It recognises it when booting up aka it goes to a boot loop when there is a USB connected. | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should see a page with links and "save destination to" | 01:53 |
| pavi | My friend who opened the N900 says the hardware is intact | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pavi: err what? | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please elaborate, your description is a tad... cloudy | 01:54 |
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| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: yeah I mean I dont get any dmesg from the PC . But N900 when connected with USB gives a message something about porte connected | 01:56 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: while booting N900 if I connect the USB to a power socket / PC it goes into a boot loop . I see the dark Nokia logo and yellow blinking .. later reboots | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, you connect N900 to a linux box and there's nuttin showing up in a tail -f /var/log/messages ? | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not even when N900 been powered down? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect your USB is absolutely ok but you messed up your rootfs/system | 01:59 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: let me give you what N900's dmesg says one momentt | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900's dmesg? I think you can't even boot it? | 01:59 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: I used a battery charger | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please try again to explain what works and what doesn't | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm completely puzzled | 02:00 |
| pavi | whenever I connect USB .. on N900 dmesg I am getting the output tw14030_usb tw14030_usb: HW_CONDITIONS 0xd0/208; link2 | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, ok. normal | 02:04 |
| pavi | Thats it , I am not getting the USB connecting dialogue or charging or even anything in PC's dmesg | 02:04 |
| pavi | Also before that I get slide GPIO is now closed and later open | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you have a linux PC? | 02:04 |
| pavi | yeah | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | slide is your kbd | 02:04 |
| pavi | thats how I run dmesg | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you closed and opened it | 02:05 |
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| pavi | I am getting 0x50 / 80 when I removed the cable and 0xd0 /208 when I insert back the USB | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please on linux PC, as root, do >># less "+F" /var/log/messages | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then plug in the powered-down N900 and watch what you get, | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (of course without the >>#) | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | less "+F" /var/log/messages | 02:08 |
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| pavi | there is no /var/log/messages I am using syslog instead | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on some distros it's /var/log/syslog | 02:10 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: sadly nothing is happening .. its playing all by itself going into reboot looop . As far as linux machine is concerned , it doesnt recognise it . | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you mean by "doesn't recognise it" ? | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you do a # less +F /var/log/syslog ? | 02:15 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: I mean no response in syslog or dmesg | 02:15 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: yes I did it | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there wasn't anything like | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | May 31 01:11:10 saturn kernel: [4833819.274022] usb 2-1.8: new high-speed USB device number 73 using ehci_hcd | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | May 31 01:11:11 saturn kernel: [4833819.446348] usb 2-1.8: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105 | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | May 31 01:11:11 saturn kernel: [4833819.446353] usb 2-1.8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5 | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | May 31 01:11:11 saturn kernel: [4833819.446356] usb 2-1.8: Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode) | 02:15 |
| pavi | Nothing not even a blink | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you plugged in the *powered-down* N900? | 02:15 |
| pavi | Yeah completely powered down 900 | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then your USB is defect | 02:16 |
| pavi | should I remove battery and try ? | 02:16 |
| pavi | Ahh but it never starts when I connect the USB to power source or PC . | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can remove battery, plug in N900 to PC and then insert battery | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err wait, your N900 doesn't wake up and show any sign of life (LED or whatever) when powered down and plugged into PC? | 02:18 |
| pavi | By "sign of life" I mean the orange / light yellow light wakes up .. a dark nokia icon comesand 3 white dots come and waits .. it goes back to reboot with a vibration . | 02:19 |
| pavi | it does that every time when I connect a powered down N900 to power source/ PC | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then at least your VBUS and GND lines on USB are OK | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if data lines are also OK, then you MUST see that "Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode)" in PC's syslog | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | immediately after plugging in | 02:21 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: to fix the GSM issue of " telephony functions " my friend opened the device and we lost USB. He rechecked the hardware and says its intact | 02:22 |
| pavi | Maybe as you said some data lines might have been broken in process | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you lost USB? | 02:22 |
| pavi | I mean by "lost" not being able to detect | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so your freind destroyed the USB when opening the device? | 02:23 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: the issue came up after that but I dont blame him , my phone was anyway useless with the telephony functions issue . | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm what did you do to fix that modem issue? | 02:24 |
| pavi | He had attached some springs to the shipset to help the chip fit tightly | 02:25 |
| pavi | Anyways I cant even check the issue proprely because I have to borrow batter charger from friend | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | he might have damaged about anything, so it's pretty hard to tell what's your root problem. Anyway every N900 will announce "kernel: [4833819.446348] usb 2-1.8: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105" in syslog/dmesg | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if yours doesn't when plugged in to linux PC when powered down, then your USB hw is defect | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or your cable is defect, or your PC | 02:28 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: any idea on how to fix it ? | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas not since, as mentioned, your friend might have damaged arbitrary components on board during that modem fixing | 02:29 |
| pavi | ohh | 02:29 |
| pavi | So practically its dead :( | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | removing the lids from the cans is pretty difficult and you easily can damage components during prying them open | 02:29 |
| pavi | Wish there is some modern phone like N900 | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for you and your N900 | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you (or your friend) could fix it, once you find the defect | 02:32 |
| pavi | Me cant do anything .. I stay in koblenz and he stays in berlin | 02:32 |
| pavi | so its liek next trip | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's not that many components that could cause such error pattern | 02:32 |
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| pavi | Is there a hardware manual to read and understand the problem ? | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, both too far from my hometown to give you a short visit | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, there are the schematics | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not much else you could read to find the root cause of the problem | 02:33 |
| pavi | ohh ok . Where do you stay ? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a rather small number of components between USB and the 1707 chip which is the USB transceiver | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N | 02:35 |
| pavi | ohh ok | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if however the 1707 itself got damaged, there's probably not much you could do | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the reboot loop when plugged to USB seems to indicate that it's actually the 1707 PHY that's causing system panics when trying to access USB | 02:37 |
| pavi | ok | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It's not easy to diagnose state of 1707 | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you could have a look at the chip | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it looks ok, then it's worth checking the other components between that chip and USB (electrically between, see schematics) | 02:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pavi: I just checked. Even a perfectly working N900 shuts down after a few seconds and a few yellow flashes when connected to a charger that has the datalines not shorted | 02:52 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: thats good news | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so your probelm doesn't necessarily indicate that 1707 is defect | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it could be any breakage of datalines, even in the USB cable | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I learned sth new today \o/ | 02:54 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: its not USB cable . I have tried with other cables | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, cehck your cable, check your USB receptacle in N900 with a magnifying glass, if there's maybe some debris in there so gold latches don't give comtact | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 02:55 |
| pavi | ohh yeah sure . | 02:56 |
| ds3 | anyone used the XpressMusic batteries on the N900? | 02:56 |
| ecc3g | I'm using my 5230 (nuron) battery on my N900... XpressMusic is the 5800? They all use the BL5J battery... | 02:58 |
| ecc3g | and death to non gold-plated, non wide contact microusb plugs... | 02:58 |
| ecc3g | oh... and keep in mind the 5230/5800 batteries are inserted upside down compared to the n900... so any battery taking advantage of that won't work. | 03:00 |
| ds3 | as long as they are not duds | 03:03 |
| ds3 | I just need a decent replacement battery... my original battery is down to like 4 hours of life per charge | 03:03 |
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| ds3 | and Amazon happens to list the XpressMusic one | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BL-5J | 03:05 |
| ecc3g | seems Nokia labeled a lot of phones "XpressMusic". Make sure you look for the 5800, 5230, or Nuron battery. | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BL-5J | 03:07 |
| ecc3g | Or that, if they are kind enough to write that. | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if they don't, I'd be wary to buy such item | 03:07 |
| ds3 | this is the guy: http://www.amazon.com/3-7V-BL-5J-Battery-Nokia-XpressMusic/dp/B005XG67DA | 03:09 |
| ds3 | from the reviews it seems a lot of the genuine "new" Nokia batteries are used | 03:09 |
| ecc3g | searching for "xpressmusic battery" in amazon.com, the first hit actually says "n900" ... | 03:09 |
| ecc3g | it says BL-5J, that should be fine. And that looks like a generic, I'd be wary of buying that.... | 03:10 |
| ds3 | generic? what do you mean? | 03:11 |
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| ds3 | thought 'XpressMusic' is a chinese brand? | 03:11 |
| ecc3g | the picture looks like a no-name battery... there's a thread on t.m.o about tested batteries... | 03:11 |
| ecc3g | XpressMusic is a label Nokia made. | 03:11 |
| ds3 | Ohhhh | 03:12 |
| ds3 | I saw the thread but they all refer to ebay | 03:12 |
| ds3 | or DX | 03:12 |
| ecc3g | I actually bought a Japod from DX a while back as a spare. It's still holding up. | 03:13 |
| ds3 | but a DX purchase is a 2-3 month investment in time | 03:14 |
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| ecc3g | Nokia BL5J's should be available in many local stores too if you need one fast, then.... | 03:15 |
| ecc3g | actually... maybe not... | 03:15 |
| ds3 | what is the capacity of a "BL5J"? | 03:15 |
| ds3 | I see references to ~900mAH and also to ~1300mAH | 03:16 |
| ecc3g | The only battery that is supposed to be called BL-5J is Nokia's, and it should be 1320mAH | 03:16 |
| ds3 | and should the packaging be a small clear bag? | 03:16 |
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| ecc3g | I've never bought an OEM replacement so I don't know. Both the 5230 and the n900 came with OEM BL5J's and those are the only ones I have. | 03:18 |
| ds3 | hmmm | 03:18 |
| ecc3g | The Japod came in a nice box. I suspect the BL5J should come at least ina blister pack.... | 03:18 |
| ds3 | reviews keep complaining it was shipped in a clear bag | 03:19 |
| dr1fter | DocScrutinizer05: i already have a garage account authorized to upload | 03:19 |
| dr1fter | i just need to make my first upload | 03:19 |
| dr1fter | it's a java program | 03:20 |
| ds3 | hmmmm to chance a $5 generic battery... | 03:20 |
| ecc3g | should go look for the known good generics, else go for the real deal... | 03:21 |
| ds3 | the concern is the "real deal" are used batteries based on the reviews | 03:21 |
| ds3 | one listing showed a blister pack but the reviews say they were receiving a plastic baggy battery | 03:21 |
| ecc3g | I think you have to take the risk... hard to tell which are still good or not. | 03:24 |
| ds3 | in that case, I am leaning to the generics | 03:24 |
| ecc3g | I suspect a lot are NOS and those are suspect. | 03:24 |
| ds3 | the chargers on the N900 seems decently designed | 03:24 |
| ecc3g | I sort of dislike the onboard N900 charger... | 03:34 |
| ds3 | any specific complaints? | 03:38 |
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| dr1fter | I posted my new Google Authenticator solution here -- http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1348169 | 03:41 |
| pavi | In case it makes people happy .. we were sitting in linux tag talking about N900 annd voila 2 of the debian devs open their phones saying they have the same . I met like 3 other people in the event . Today was surprised a neighbour got one ! | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fun | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so when so many N900 users out there, how comes only 94 voted in council elections? | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what do all those users think who's going to take care about their maemo infra in the future? | 03:51 |
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| pavi | No idea , maybe they all didnt know of that ? Or maybe they are just happy with their devices | 03:52 |
| pavi | But the good thing is people still use it despite lot of new android devices , my neighbour ditched it for nexus 4 | 03:52 |
| dr1fter | i want an n900 sequel | 03:53 |
| ds3 | Nexus 4 is a still born | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's alot of N900 sequels out there. What you really want is a maemo5 device sequel I guess | 03:54 |
| pavi | dr1fter: same here ! And there are lot of people who want them | 03:54 |
| ds3 | the Galaxy Nexus might be a better choice | 03:54 |
| pavi | I want a phone with N900 keyboard and maemo on it . | 03:55 |
| ds3 | isn't a bunch of exNokians doing a Meego device? | 03:55 |
| pavi | Sailfish + jolla doesnt have keyboard "yet" | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you mean jolla, and sailfish device | 03:55 |
| ds3 | yes | 03:55 |
| ds3 | btw - is there any part of Maemo5 that depends on NOLO being there? | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though i'm afraid your "meego device" claim wasn't that off | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it seems to me that sailfish is way more HARM than fremantle, by design philosophy | 03:57 |
| ds3 | really tempted to put a 512M memory + DM3730 in a N900 | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for NOLO, I don't think so | 03:57 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: so its definitely end of road for fremantle . The last best one is N900 ? | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 03:58 |
| ds3 | so if I can get U-boot running, I have a chance of running the rest of Maemo? | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should | 03:58 |
| ds3 | it is only about $300 to try | 03:58 |
| pavi | Did anyone preorder jolla mobile ? | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now THAT would be an awesome rework | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pavi: sure, a lot | 03:59 |
| pavi | Its promising but I am no sure of how much propreitary components it will have | 03:59 |
| ds3 | what processor is jolla based on? | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some errr forgot | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no OMAP iirc | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth nasty | 04:00 |
| ds3 | so battery life could be a bit lacking | 04:00 |
| ds3 | as long as it isn't a Qcom | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't processor family one of the very few hard facts they already published on their website? | 04:01 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: is it still viable to buy a n9 or should I wait for jolla if I want a "free" phone ? | 04:01 |
| ds3 | had not had time to scrub their site... I just saw references in liliputing.com | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in my book N9 never been free | 04:01 |
| wmarone_ | DocScrutinizer05: don't think so, only thing we know is dual core. | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, ok | 04:02 |
| ds3 | the uSIMM is a deal breaker for the N9 | 04:02 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: by "free" I am not optimistic about complete "free " hardware . Its only openmoko which can deliver it | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 04:02 |
| infobot | it has been said that joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 04:02 |
| ds3 | I don't mind the hw being a bit closed | 04:03 |
| ds3 | if it can match the N900 level, it is good enough as long as it isn't QCOM fram | 04:03 |
| ds3 | crap | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's good enough when you're free to update kernels on your own | 04:04 |
| pavi | DocScrutinizer05: :) I saw a openmoko device at linuxtag berlin , and it was very highly priced . It was running opensuse :) | 04:04 |
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| ds3 | yes... hence I am willing to stomache the GNexus but not the N4 | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably Nikolaus' gta04 openphoenux | 04:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | why not the n4? | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a great project, if only Nikolaus hadn't decided to recycle the crappy ugly shower-radio case of openmoko gta02 | 04:06 |
| * SpeedEvil hopes for goodness from Jolla. | 04:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, joerg is an ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer | 04:09 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo joerg | 04:09 |
| infobot | joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (1680 days); last modified 10s ago by DocScrutinizer05!~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 51 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 6m 44s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. | 04:09 |
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| Apic | Celebrate Syaday | 10:20 |
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| Apic | I guess I already asked, sorry, but: Does NITDroid support the GPS? | 10:39 |
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| Raimu | Try Nitdroid's own channel. | 10:46 |
| Raimu | I think it's #nitdroid here on Freenode. | 10:47 |
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| Apic | ktnx | 10:49 |
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| vi__ | Apic: nope | 12:29 |
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| Apic | tnx | 12:32 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: nope, accepted already, still not downloading | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I have no clue what's your problem then | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB zhat the EULA "Accept" expires after 1 or 2 hours | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what does your "Save as..." file requester provide as destination filename? | 13:26 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: clicking on the link brings me to the browser error page | 13:27 |
| jon_y | browser is reporting some duplicate http headers | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you shall not click the link! | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you shall rightclick and select "store destination..." | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or "download" or whatever your browser's name for it | 13:28 |
| jon_y | it's taking awfully long for the browser to react | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, since when you leftclick, it will try to download the whole thing as HTML content and render it ;-P | 13:29 |
| jon_y | nope, error saving file | 13:29 |
| jon_y | right click -> save as didn't work | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, works here# | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without any problems | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe don't use chrome | 13:30 |
| jon_y | deleted cookies and all that, still not working :( | 13:30 |
| jon_y | actually, same thing happened in firefox | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sure with deleted cookies it does NOT work | 13:31 |
| jon_y | chrome says: | 13:32 |
| jon_y | Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple distinct Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks. | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since auth (EULA accept) is stored in cookies | 13:32 |
| jon_y | already went through the accept again | 13:32 |
| jon_y | after clearing the cookie | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I seem to recall same problem from ~4 years ago. And it been a browser problem IIRC | 13:33 |
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| jon_y | well, I'll try another time | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | googling for that error should help | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't recall details how to avoid it | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know for sure that's nothing particularly new | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought it been related to chrome | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I may well be mistaken on that | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.gangarasa.com/lets-Do-GoodCode/fix-for-duplicate-headers-error-349-neterr_response_headers_multiple_content_disposition/ | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Fix for Duplicate Headers Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION) | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | This error was bugging me whole of last week. This error is specific to Google Chrome. Not a bug in chrome itself though, as other browsers ignore duplicate headers, this seems like an issue with Chrome. | 13:39 |
| jon_y | serverside fix? | 13:40 |
| Macer | does safari do it? | 13:41 |
| jon_y | retried with firefox, nope | 13:42 |
| jon_y | I don't have safari | 13:42 |
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| jon_y | firefox says: The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because an error in the data transmission was detected. | 13:42 |
| jon_y | trying explorator | 13:43 |
| jon_y | IE works :| | 13:43 |
| Macer | i'm asking because maybe it's a wk problem? | 13:43 |
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| Macer | webkit2 fail? :) | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: please send URL that fails to download. I will try to spot the PHP file on server and fix it | 13:44 |
| Macer | opera is supposed to be using webkit soon :-/ | 13:44 |
| jon_y | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z <- | 13:44 |
| Macer | they're abandoning presto | 13:44 |
| jon_y | fails | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 13:44 |
| jon_y | reached after accepting and clicking on the 7z link | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* again, you shall not click on the link | 13:45 |
| Macer | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.htm <- that's what opera tries to download | 13:46 |
| jon_y | I am getting the same results regardless | 13:46 |
| jon_y | right click says error saving download in firefox | 13:46 |
| jon_y | chrome doesn't even do anything | 13:46 |
| jon_y | anyway, download works on IE10 | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I confirm FF fails to download it | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and look, IE works. We faithfully copied what Nokia gave to us ;-P | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((I'll try to fix it serverside)) | 13:49 |
| jon_y | this is to prevent robo downloading? | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, this is "we're too lame to check with anything else than windows" | 13:49 |
| Macer | heh | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, please help me out, noob here: header("Content-Type: application/octet-stream"); // TODO proper mime type | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is what I see in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | AAAHAHAHAHA | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I fixed it dead | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I uncommented header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename)); | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yesterday | 14:04 |
| Macer | it works now | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually 4 days ago | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't change anything ;-P | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yet | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 repository repository 5988 May 27 20:22 /var/tabletsdev/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 14:07 |
| Macer | oh. well. i can get to downloads.php and am downloading the sdk 7z | 14:08 |
| Macer | i need to get the img for my n810 heh | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | johnsu01: please retry | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I can as well test it on FF | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, fixed | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the inconvenience | 14:09 |
| Macer | where can i get the maemo4 images? | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: please download now! | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with FF | 14:11 |
| Macer | oh i found it | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or whatever your preferred browser | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: thought as much | 14:12 |
| Macer | nokia is still hosting the maemo images? | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not hard to find | 14:12 |
| Macer | yeah didn't see that part on the bottom right :) | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: well, no | 14:12 |
| Macer | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | look, an URL is not a good indicator about who's hosting the stuff | 14:13 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: awesome, it works | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: ^^^ | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | guess why! and hush! | 14:13 |
| jon_y | too many underscores? | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: read backscroll | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | <------><------>// Akamai sets this, let's not set it twice | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | <------><------>//added-comment(again?)jr20130531 header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename)); | 14:14 |
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| jon_y | oh, akamai problem | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be broken on tabletsdev.maemo.org now | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I kicked it 4 days ago to make it work on td.m.o | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but please let's not discuss this further | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad... complicated | 14:17 |
| Macer | nice. downloaded diablo heh | 14:18 |
| Macer | can i flash it with flasher3.5? | 14:18 |
| Macer | or do i need to use the older flasher? | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hosted by maemo.org. Delivered to you by courtesy akamai | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and *shhhhhh!* | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll keep it working as long as it lasts | 14:19 |
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| Macer | Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit) | 14:20 |
| Macer | nice :) guess 3.5 works for diablo | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should work | 14:21 |
| Macer | too bad my n810 took a dive a while back | 14:21 |
| Macer | the tracks don't slide like they used to :-/ | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't, I *think* a can dig up the ancient original SSU flasher somewhere still | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so oint them, man! | 14:22 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: somehow tizen is still alive | 14:23 |
| jon_y | I saw some news on a conference | 14:23 |
| jon_y | the cynic in me tells the there is no n900 replacements there, only android and ios knock offs | 14:23 |
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| Macer | well. that's odd | 14:24 |
| Macer | that small plastic cover for the sd port just sort of fell off? | 14:24 |
| Macer | wow | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin frenode server DoS issue again | 14:25 |
| Macer | i think efnet too heh | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~…ping | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 14:26 |
| infobot | ~pong | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what did my first ping look like? | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could any of you echo please? | 14:28 |
| jon_y | ~<some symbol>ping | 14:28 |
| jon_y | some dots | 14:28 |
| jon_y | ~…ping | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that <some symbol> looks like "..." here | 14:28 |
| jon_y | my font must be too small | 14:28 |
| jon_y | right, those 3 | 14:28 |
| jaska | my blood pressure goes up a few bar everytime i see the ...-character | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless it vanished with one backspace, and no in history line looks like plain "ping" | 14:29 |
| Macer | ~flashing | 14:29 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc how I managed to get that "..." | 14:29 |
| jaska | some clients/terminals might turn three consecutive dots into the tridot ellipsis thingy | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: 8x0? | 14:30 |
| jon_y | jaska: I think it depends on irc clients | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for 8x0 see wiki history of flashing page | 14:30 |
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| jon_y | irssi doesn't do it for me | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | massive edits for n900-only kinda garbled it for N810 users | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I added a link to the relevant historical version, long ago | 14:31 |
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| Macer | heh... i will do it later. i am not feeling very well today | 14:43 |
| Macer | i injured my rib so it may be the norco | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get well soon | 14:48 |
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| vi__ | ~frank zappa | 15:17 |
| vi__ | ~rape infobot | 15:17 |
| * infobot takes infobot behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 15:17 | |
| vi__ | ~rape itself | 15:17 |
| * infobot takes itself behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 15:17 | |
| vi__ | ~!999 | 15:18 |
| vi__ | ~smite infobot | 15:18 |
| * infobot wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves infobot from crown to sole. | 15:18 | |
| vi__ | ~gentoosmite infobot | 15:18 |
| * infobot spends 7 days recompiling infobot, and when it's all done, infobot runs 0.2% faster than previously | 15:18 | |
| jaska | skynet. | 15:19 |
| vi__ | ~skynet | 15:19 |
| * infobot kicks skynets ass! | 15:19 | |
| jaska | heh | 15:19 |
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| vi__ | infobot couldn't kick an ass in a boot factory. | 15:19 |
| * infobot kicks vi_'s ass | 15:22 | |
| infobot | //kick vi__ | 15:23 |
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| infobot | noooooow... | 15:24 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o infobot | 15:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys zappa | 15:26 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'zappa' by key (1): zappa. | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues FZ | 15:26 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'FZ' by value (14 of 44): galaxy pbw ;; ipkg-unbuild ;; jel ;; rfc 1993 ;; rfc1993 ;; weathercode bandundu ;; weathercode boende ;; weathercode faizabad ;; weathercode falcon field ;; weathercode fort reliance ;; weathercode fortalezaor ;; weathercode ilebo ;; weathercode inga ;; weathercode inongo. | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues zappa | 15:27 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'zappa' by value returned no results. | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~information | 15:27 |
| infobot | Information is not Knowledge \ Knowledge is not Wisdom \ Wisdom is not Truth \ Truth is not Beauty \ Beauty is not Love \ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \ Love is not Music \ Music is THE BEST | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wisdom | 15:28 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, wisdom is http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought wisdom was the domain of the wis (which is extinct) | 15:28 |
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| fastlane` | http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg | 16:09 |
| fastlane` | is 404 Not Found | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 17:04 |
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| tadzik | "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy" -- does that ring a bell? | 18:09 |
| tadzik | trying to install Pali's u-boot | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no leading !!! | 18:39 |
| tadzik | well, there is here | 18:41 |
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| tadzik | 'apt-get install' didn't complain :/ | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, since apt-get doesn't know about 3rd party policy | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither about trust levels | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you can tell HAM to ignore them, if you want to do that | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you wonder - that message means that the package you try to install (or some of its dependencies) are already installed on your system, and since the source they got installed from had a higher trust level than the repo you're trying to install them from right now, HAM refuses to replace the existing version with a less secure one | 19:02 |
| tadzik | ah, I see | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might have put it marginally incorrect or incomplete, but basically that's it | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and to find "ignore 3rd party policy" in HAM's menu, you need to set it to ~redpill mode | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually "Ignore the third party packages policy in SSU" | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Ignore packages from wrong domains" sounds related, probably you should uncheck it | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some background info: as you might have heard, the pgp key in Nokia repos has expired. This means the repo loses its trust level | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not much that CSSU team or techstaff team or package maintainers/developers could do about it. | 19:52 |
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| freemangordon | .msg ns freemangordon | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | /ns ? | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or /msg nickserv | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | looks fine | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | already chacked | 20:51 |
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| Win7Mac | anybody mind me joining the meeting later? | 20:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast1 | Win7Mac: it's in 7 minutes and it's available for all :) | 20:54 |
| Win7Mac | in 1h 7mins | 20:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | 18:00 UTC | 20:55 |
| Win7Mac | ah yeah you're right | 20:56 |
| Win7Mac | just hope the agenda is crystal clear | 20:57 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: still cannot join #maemo-admin | 21:32 |
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| merlin1991 | anybody with a little insight on the n_gsm line discipline in here? I get it to activate but when I try to open any gsmttyX devices I fail with level 2 halted (EL2HLT) | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: see /query | 22:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sixwheeledbeast, I can help with the council page if you need it. | 23:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | If you want. it's no problem if not I will do it this weekend, just busy at moment. | 23:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK | 23:26 |
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