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NeutrinoPowerEasy CAP Video-Grapper are supperted by kernel 2.6.38 is it an problem to run this kernel version on N900?00:19
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r00t^homeNeutrinoPower: i'd consider it non-trivial to build a custom kernel for n900, specifically a different version than already supported... but i haven't tried, and others might know better00:25
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DocScrutinizer05almost impossible, since several drivers like the graphics driver/lib are closed blobs that won't work under newer kernels, unless you port the old API to the new kernel00:35
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Wizzupfreemangordon_: just tried with stable cssu; pulse still gives protocol errors on the other side03:00
WizzupI think...03:01
WizzupWell, off to bed first03:01
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WizzupI'm on testing even04:15
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sombragrishi there07:14
sombragrisI have a question07:14
sombragrisin my N900 i have and use 3 browsers07:14
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sombragrisMicroB, Macuco and Opera Mini07:14
sombragrismy question is,07:15
sombragriswhich one uses less power?07:15
sombragriswhich one is best for the battery?07:15
sombragristhanks in advance07:15
rikaneesombragris: Opera Mini, although it's more of a mobile browser.07:16
rikaneeMicroB would be the worst offender battery-wise, but it's a full-featured browser.07:16
sombragrisrikanee: thanks!07:17
sombragrisyeah, MicroB is them best. too bad its JS engine is SO slow07:17
Sc0rpiusI think it depends07:18
Sc0rpiusOpera Mini is great for faster browsing07:18
Sc0rpiusFacebook in MicroB for example it's pretty bad in such a tiny screen07:18
Sc0rpiusbut it's great in Opera07:18
sombragrisit chokes on the fb main site07:18
Sc0rpiusMicroB chokes everywhere since it's pretty outdated now07:18
sombragrisare you scorpius of yappari fame ?07:19
Sc0rpiusyeah as in Yappari's developer but I don't think I have any fame hehe07:20
sombragrisyou're the man! thanks for yappari!07:20
Sc0rpiusI'm glad you like it :)07:21
sombragrisit's great. I can get into the wa network. don't like it but people insist on using it07:22
Sc0rpiusyeah I don't like it either, but it's like I have no choice.  All my friends and family use it07:23
Sc0rpiusI was really hoping for GTalk to become mainstream like that07:24
Sc0rpiusbut never happened.07:24
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sombragristhanks for everything07:31
sombragrisgotta go now07:31
Sc0rpiusbye have fun07:31
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reenignEesreveRis it possible to stable install fcam-drivers on PowerKernel?09:45
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kerioiirc they work10:12
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ApicA splendid fine Morning!10:20
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vi__no µ!11:27
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DocScrutinizer05reenignEesreveR: I'm sure there is a version of drivers that works with at least 50,51-PK dunno if Pali builds them and if KP52 already has them13:31
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vi__How the F* does the windows file system work?14:13
vi__The whole notion of disks having their own paths does not compute.14:14
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merlin1991vi__: hehehehee14:24
DocScrutinizer05vi__: drive letters *dunkandcover,run*14:28
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r00t^homent does support mountpoints too...14:37
DocScrutinizer05no surprise. I'd be more surprised if windows would support anything like mounting at all14:38
DocScrutinizer05luckily I never had to find out14:39
DocScrutinizer05I once had to figure how to create a link to a dir. That been sufficiently unpleasant an adventure14:39
r00t^homewhat windows does not support is relocating /home to another disk, that's fun...14:40
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DocScrutinizer05I guess that's what %HOMEDIR% (or sth like that) is for14:49
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chem|str00t^home: it does...14:50
chem|str00t^home: I used to have windows homedir and linux homedir set to the same folder14:51
r00t^homeyou can't move the directory when a user is logged in, and can't move it without being logged in... fun like that14:52
chem|str00t^home: lol you are talking BS14:52
chem|str00t^home: copy your home dir to the place you want to use14:52
r00t^homewell, all my attempts failed when i tried... feel free to point me to the documentation of the procedure for next time14:52
chem|str00t^home: rightclick the home icon on desktop, settings move it...14:53
r00t^homeyou can not copy your homedir while logged in, because files are locked14:53
chem|str00t^home: you cannot MOVE it!14:53
chem|stand all locked files arent needed afaik14:53
r00t^homeyou can not copy it either, because the files have exclusive locked by windows14:53
r00t^homethe file that contains all your settings, right14:53
chem|str00t^home: those files are for sessions14:54
chem|str00t^home: I have here a button to even "move" my homedir...14:54
chem|stnote: a button14:54
r00t^homewell, point me to the documentation on relocating "Documents and Setting" and i'll try next time14:54
chem|styou have to use the desktop icon14:55
chem|stah dokuments and settings isnt homdir14:55
chem|stthath is appdata14:55
r00t^homesince when? windows 8?14:55
chem|st$APPDATA$ and $HOMEDIR$ are different folders...14:56
r00t^homethe point is: you just installed a shiny new large hd into a windows user's computer... and have to tell them that they now have to save their files on d:14:56
chem|str00t^home: for changing appdata you need to alter registry14:56
r00t^home(besides fun stuff like you can't keep the homedirs across a reinstall)14:57
chem|str00t^home: OMG I did all that what you try, several times...14:57
r00t^homei stopped counting how often i tried14:58
r00t^homeas i said, feel free to point me to the documentation14:58
chem|stI tried once...14:58
chem|stevery new install I just alter the windows pointers and reboot...14:59
chem|stwhat is it? 7? xp?14:59
r00t^homexp most of the time15:01
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chem|stdid you copy the folder to the new place?15:04
chem|stdo you want to move all users or only some?15:06
chem|stfor single users you just login and do what I said with the desktop icon (there is a move it somewhere else button)15:07
chem|stto move the whole folderstructure you need to change the registry entries for them15:07
chem|stwin7 supports folderlinks... I don't know if xp does that15:09
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chem|stsomewhere after "unattend"15:14
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r00t^home"To specify a different folder for the "Documents and Settings" folder during installation,"15:16
r00t^homedid you miss the "during installation" part?15:16
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r00t^home"In Registry Editor, click Find on the Edit menu.15:18
r00t^homeType documents and settings, and then click Find."15:18
r00t^homei lol'd15:18
chem|str00t^home: I said after the unattended part...15:18
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chem|stthis is the microsoft way... we lol'ed at those procedings msca class as the lector was also unaware that there are, faster and mor intuitive ways of handling things he thought15:20
chem|stto much windows talk here already... I am out15:21
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entitledSo, I've done it. Used (wet) sandpaper to get rid of few deep scratches and one burn from cigarette from my N900 display.15:24
entitled1000-1200-1500-2000-2500-3000 grit and tamiya polishing compound (fine).15:25
entitledthe display isn't cloudly at all when used in normal conditions, but if I shine light on it, it shows. Maybe by some extra fine tamiya.15:26
sixwheeledbeastwhat's the finish like?15:27
entitledThe digitizer works as good as ever, and no longer the stylus gets stuck on scratches or the cigaretter burn15:28
entitledthere's a little bit more resistance tho, but too noticeable.15:29
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entitledin direct sunlight I can see very light cloudiness, but I think I'll get rid of it with some more 3000 sandpaper (or higher :D) or finer polishing compounf15:30
entitledI think I need somekind of conditioner to give a protecting film for the display that I sanded away.15:30
entitledIf anyone has suggestions for that I'll give it a go.15:32
entitledoil of some sort?15:33
entitledI thought the 3000 grittiness was overkill, but the display was bit cloudy evden after that. Not sure if I gave it a go enough long, but the Tamiya ("fine") got rid of it.15:36
entitledToo bad I broke the usb just before I was about to open this baby up and polish the display :E15:37
entitledit didn't move much but I tried soldering the side where the ground leg was off, but that didn't help. Must be broken under the connector15:38
sixwheeledbeastuse a screen protector?15:39
entitledhmm, could work15:40
entitledTho I'd like a more permanent solution15:40
entitledIf I can't find a small enough replacement that still leaves space for the soldering (with flux it should be still doable as long as the tip fits there)15:40
entitledthen I'll do a custom female connector, that connects to male counterpart that in turn is connected to usb15:42
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r00t^homei'm halfway through the powermat mod on mine15:49
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DocScrutinizer05((<chem|st> win7 supports folderlinks... I don't know if xp does that)) yes, with a tool you need to fetch from internet17:10
merlin1991or you can mount ntfs volumes under a path17:11
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DocScrutinizer05entitled: I suggest carnauba wax (car polsih)17:14
ApicCan anybody point me to the subjective best Howto for USB-Host-Mode?17:14
infobotApic meant: Can anybody point me to the subjectively best Howto for USB-Host-Mode?17:14
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Apic(On N900)17:17
vi__entitled: You may want to consider some jewellers rouge.17:20
vi__entitled: Start with 8000 grit.17:20
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vi__Also, consider a 'zagg invisible shield'.  It is expensive but by far the best screen protector I have used.17:22
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DocScrutinizer05Apic: howto?17:26
DocScrutinizer05Apic: get h-e-n package17:26
infoboti guess hen is hostmode-easy-now, or
infobotsomebody said hostmode was
infobothostmode-powered is probably
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ApicCan I use a Hub too?17:31
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peetahI messed up with some packages that does not seem to be present in any repository: hildon-im-keyboard-assistant, initrd-progs, libtopos0, osso-abook-home-applet, osso-addressbook and sysinfo-tool17:39
peetahcan someone point me to a place where I could download them , thanks17:40
DocScrutinizer05Apic: yes17:40
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merlin1991peetah: those should be in the ssu repos (nokia)17:50
peetahmerlin1991: is it still accessible ?17:54
merlin1991peetah: yep17:55
merlin1991a simple apt-get install --reinstall should refetch them17:55
merlin1991just enable the nokia repo in ham if you disabled it17:55
peetahthen I may have disabled it ... let me check HAM config17:56
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peetahmerlin1991: yep that was it, thanks !17:59
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Apicyay, works with my Gamepad \o/18:01
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DocScrutinizer05Apic: here you are - sorry took some tine to find my fav video:
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DocScrutinizer05~hostmode is also
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay18:13
DocScrutinizer05~literal hen18:13
infobot"hen" is "hostmode-easy-now, or"18:13
DocScrutinizer05~hen is also see ~hostmode18:14
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0518:14
DocScrutinizer05~literal hostmode18:14
infobot"hostmode" is ", or"18:14
DocScrutinizer05~hostmode is alsi see ~hostmode-pwered18:14
infobot...but hostmode is already something else...18:14
DocScrutinizer05~hostmode is also see ~hostmode-powered18:14
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay18:14
infobotrumour has it, hostmode is, or, or see ~hostmode-powered18:15
DocScrutinizer05the day infobot dies we're all screwed :-o18:15
DocScrutinizer05Apic: thanks for using h-e-n/hostmode18:16
DocScrutinizer05I'm ahppy about every single user that makes me feel like I didn't wast that 9 months18:17
DocScrutinizer05waste even18:17
DocScrutinizer05I probably would've done it anyway, just because Nokia claimed it can't get done ;-P18:18
DocScrutinizer05but sure it's way nicer to know that h-e-n is actually useful for some folks out there18:18
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trxDocScrutinizer05 i use it all the time on field with a lan network adapter18:21
DocScrutinizer05Apic: using a hub you even save the frequent enum, since the hub *can* detect plug events, unlike the raped musb-controller in N90018:21
trxtime *not* waisted for sure :)18:21
DocScrutinizer05and you can inject power at least for the peripherals with a powered hub18:22
DocScrutinizer05the N900 cna deliver only 200mA18:22
DocScrutinizer05while evry single peripheral may want as much as 50018:22
DocScrutinizer05trx: thanks :-D18:22
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DocScrutinizer05It just occured to me while watching those YT vids that probably the mouse-cursor program should get linked by a udev rule18:24
DocScrutinizer05so it gets executed automatically on enumerating a mouse18:24
DocScrutinizer05and on unplugging the mouse18:24
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DocScrutinizer05(though that could get difficult, since... musb-controller not detecting plug and unplug events)18:25
DocScrutinizer05with a hub however both would just work, and with plain adapter-based hostmode it would still at least detect the mouse on manual enum18:25
DocScrutinizer05funny detail: I never really used hostmode, except in tests18:26
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DocScrutinizer05maybe a good thing, since it made me think "what will users need" instead of the usual "what do  *I* need"18:30
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DocScrutinizer05a lot of those "it does what I needed" programs are crap18:31
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DocScrutinizer05Apic: could you do me a favor?18:32
infobotApic meant: Maybe.18:32
DocScrutinizer05check something on your device with h-e-n installed?18:32
ApicHow? What?18:33
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DocScrutinizer05wc -l /usr/sbin/booston18:33
DocScrutinizer05:-) thanks18:34
DocScrutinizer05though here it's 12118:35
DocScrutinizer05probably some local obsolete version. the one I publish on has 110 as well, and that one *should* be the right one18:36
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DocScrutinizer05you know you could add some arbitrary indicator LED pattern to show hostmode (well, vboost) is running?18:38
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ApicDidn't think of it before You said. B-)18:39
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DocScrutinizer05look at first 3 lines in /usr/sbin/booston18:43
DocScrutinizer05edit /etc/mce/mce.ini - the sed command in booston just does half the job, you also need to add a line with the actual PatternVboost definition18:44
DocScrutinizer05you can duplicate another pattern line, change the name to PatternVboost, then use indicator LED pattern editor (app) to change the pattern/color to whatever you like18:45
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divVerentno, what was that URL again :)18:59
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* sixwheeledbeast wonders if DocScrutinizer05 ever got his MK5500 from DHL?19:06
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys pastebin19:08
sixwheeledbeastwhat you think :)19:09
merlin1991see ;)19:10
sixwheeledbeastinfobot: where are you?19:12
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DocScrutinizer05server dead19:14
DocScrutinizer05Tim hurries to head home and check what's up19:14
sixwheeledbeast<<(16:15:48) DocScrutinizer05: the day infobot dies we're all screwed :-o>>19:16
merlin1991so it's zombieapocalypse time?19:16
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-29 18:11:05] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-05-29 17:15:48] <DocScrutinizer05> the day infobot dies we're all screwed :-o19:22
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sixwheeledbeastdoh forgot about infobot ...19:41
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nilsgehello all19:47
nilsgeIs it possible to run an rss reader on my n900 (Community SSU) and let my desktop linux access its database over SSH so they are in sync?19:48
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sixwheeledbeastnilsge: Which CSSU? Why do they need to be in sync?19:51
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nilsgesixwheeledbeast: why in sync? Because it is two different computers.19:56
nilsgeand cssu 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.219:56
sixwheeledbeastjust have the same settings on both?19:56
nilsgethen I get new entries double19:57
nilsgean RSS reader is good because it remembers what you have read and what is new19:57
sixwheeledbeastOIC what you mean19:57
nilsgethis is a convenience question. If is already exists. I can write my ssh script to copy and sync, that is not the problem. But maybe one of the readers has a server built-in already19:59
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sixwheeledbeastnot that I know of.20:01
nilsgehm.. or I can run a webserver permanently on the n900 with a rss reader server and then it doesn't matter anyway if the client is local or not20:03
sixwheeledbeastg2g o/20:04
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divVerentnilsge: sure you can20:05
divVerentbut why not use some existing web based rss reader service?20:05
nilsgeI want control20:05
nilsgeand it must be a real server, probably one with Google API compatibility. I like local clients, especially if you are on the 'road' and every kb matters because of the slow GPRS connection20:06
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nilsgeand why on the n900? Because I have that device with me all the time. I could run that server on my router but that wouldn'T be as reliable. Even the router can loose its connection.20:07
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DocScrutinizer05wb infobot!!!20:08
nilsgeah, a good idea. maybe I can get one of the rss 'planet' feed-mergers to run on the n900. Even make a package. Then you can access all your rss subscriptions with any client and it is still in sync.20:09
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spade` 1988 user      3932 S    /usr/bin/modest21:31
spade`1989 user     50736 S    /usr/bin/modest21:32
spade`why 2 modest on my n90021:32
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ecc3gone is probably a coarse thread of the other (the 1989 process's PID is probably 1988).21:48
infobotecc3g meant: one is probably a coarse thread of the other (the 1989 process's PPID is probably 1988).21:49
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fastlane``how can i kill modest22:01
fastlane``cuz it wont let me22:01
fastlane``i dont use it22:01
fastlane``modest is the default email client right?22:02
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Woody14619modest, like many things, respanws and stays in the background so it's ready when needed (like browser, rt-com, calendar, etc).  There's a way to config those so they don't auto-load or respawn, but I don't recall how to do so.... google the wiki, it's in there. :)22:18
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DocScrutinizer05somebody (freemangodon, vi_ ?) in this channel investigated how to completely kill it23:24
DocScrutinizer05it's not exactly simple23:24
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DocScrutinizer05start with sed -i s/X-Maemo-Prestarted=always/X-Maemo-Prestarted=never/ /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop23:26
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DocScrutinizer05meh, didn't notice [2013-05-29 21:52:49] <-- fastlane`` has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer).23:27
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DocScrutinizer05nevertheless, to complete it for the records: you also want to take care about alarmd events that get rescheduled and would start up modest again when expiring. so you a) make sure your modest update interval is >>the 30min or whatever you could set via GUI (use gconftool for that), and b) you want to remove any legacy alarmd scheduled event for modest from alarmd's event list which is persistent across reboots, use alarmclient for that23:31
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DocScrutinizer05cna't recall if there been even more catches to modest-removal. Maybe chanlog search helps23:33
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fastlane``i cudnt get in to #maemo23:37
fastlane``what happened, got redirected to another channel23:37
Sc0rpiusthat's some netsplit protection23:37
Sc0rpiusyou're forwarded to an overflow channel23:37
fastlane``yea ,, that overflow channel23:38
Sc0rpiusyeah I hate it too23:38
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