| freemangordon | Estel_: hmm, do you use dosbox? i've just thumb-compiled it, but need some "reference" on how well it does compared to "stock" | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, tell me who's processing those requests now | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (garahe) | 02:22 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991? | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then he knows more than me about it | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's a forbidden state in general physics | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw merlin1991 is repo maintainer, but I dunno who's our garage maintainer | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if account approval is even a genuine garage task | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd almost bet all this still goes to X-Fade | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas sysops are so integer that we can't even check what emails get sent to him | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this would be illegal | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I can tell you that I frown at this postfix alias file since weeks | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has only a few 100s of @maemo.org aliases | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl and not ending at such funny stuff like security at maemo.org etc | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 95% of those point to either dead destinations (at nokia com), or to ferenc and niels | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ferenc a few days ago complained about ATgarage.m.o mails he still receives | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he redirected that particular alias to sth generic, which probably again points to dev/null | 02:56 |
| zammy | hey | 02:56 |
| zammy | how can I get all my mobile provider settings? | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | drive-by-asker, or rather ask-and-run | 03:14 |
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| Win7Mac | last meeting was a fun read... for a split second. Also, what happened to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89998 ? | 03:47 |
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| Macer | hm | 03:56 |
| Macer | the camera crashed but i can't find this damn crashlog | 03:56 |
| Macer | :-/ | 03:56 |
| Macer | i'm not seeing core-dumps | 04:01 |
| Macer | wtf? | 04:01 |
| Macer | oh wait. i think i know why | 04:01 |
| Macer | i still haven't rebooted? maybe the daemon didn't start? | 04:01 |
| Macer | ok uhm | 04:06 |
| Macer | this sp-rich-core | 04:06 |
| Macer | isn't doing anything | 04:06 |
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| Macer | so i still have no idea why the cam crashes :( | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Win7Mac> ... Also, what happened to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89998 ?)) haha, *I* didn't ask for deletion of this thread. So probably somebody got sober and gone "WTF I *did* there?" | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1341376#post1341376 | 11:38 |
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| MohammadAG | bash is a mysterious thing sometimes :| | 11:40 |
| MohammadAG | or I'm losing my script-fu | 11:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hey MohammadAG! | 11:49 |
| MohammadAG | hey DocScrutinizer05 :) | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I once actually found a bug in bash, but usually it's just the user aka PEBKAC | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's your problem? | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: also, have you already voted? | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG | I just figured it out | 11:52 |
| MohammadAG | apparently a for x in $(ls) loop fails for spaces | 11:52 |
| MohammadAG | I just switched to a while read loop | 11:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, nope, it's that time again? | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, see topic! | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG | heh, I usually skip the first part | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (for x in $y) a env is one token usually | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think | 11:54 |
| MohammadAG | ls *m4a | while read f; do aac2mp3 -b 320 -c "$f"; done worked | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | for files in "$(ls *m4a)"; do aac2mp3 -b 320 -c "$files"; done didn't | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw WFM | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:/usr/share/man> echo $x | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a b c | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:/usr/share/man> for y in $x; do echo $y; done | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | b | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | c | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, your files don't have spaces in their name | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | Due to the nature of digital music, it's sort of possible for files to have spaces in their names :P | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so you got the other problem | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the you must use " " arounf the name | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | around | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | isn't that what I'm doing? | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, no, you're doing exactly the opposite | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "a.m4a foo bar.m4a" | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, so what's the correct way? | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> for y in x*; do echo $y; done | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | x | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | x 1 | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | x 2 | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | x 3 | 12:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, echo takes spaces | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | do something else | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | like cat for example | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> for y in x*; do ls -l "$y"; done | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 40 4. Mai 03:00 x | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 0 5. Mai 11:01 x 1 | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 0 5. Mai 11:01 x 2 | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 0 5. Mai 11:01 x 3 | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | still doesn't work for me :( | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | for x in `ls *.m4a.mp3`; do | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | t=`echo "$x" | sed 's/\.m4a.mp3$/.mp3/'`; | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | echo "moved \"$x\" -> \"$t\"" | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | done | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh! | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no fucking `ls *` | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | ah ok | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | ooooh shiny | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when bash does the expanding, bash knows about the spaces in that token | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with `ls *` it has no way to know | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG | now to figure out what kind of m3u files my dad's car takes | 12:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, I totally forgot about * working without a command | 12:10 |
| MohammadAG | e.g ls | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the main difference between a decent unix shell and a fake like dos, where every command is doing that on its own | 12:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually `ls` is the same like `echo *` | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 13:46 |
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| Mr_Stupid | Oorgle? | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: anyway filenames with spaces are a pita in unix, and I strongly suggest to not even allow them anywhere. When importing e.g. mp3 then just convert all spaces to underlines | 16:01 |
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| kerio | filenames with spaces are a PITA if you're using inferior tools | 16:15 |
| kerio | or using them wrong | 16:15 |
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| apic | A splendid good Sunday. | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: on linux about every (cmdline) tool is "inferior" when it comes to handling filenames with spaces | 16:36 |
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| Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: Do you have any example? | 17:17 |
| Riviera | Actually particularly Linux (i.e. GNU) tools work quite well with filenames that even contain newline characters. | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Riviera: use find in a for x in `find ...` loop, with filenames that contain spaces | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have fun | 17:24 |
| Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: As kerio said, that's wrong usage. | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha | 17:25 |
| Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: Splitting input into words and then being surprised that the input is split is not a convincing example. | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what's "right" use then? | 17:25 |
| Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: Depends on what's available. You said Linux, so I assume GNU tools, like bash and GNU find: | 17:25 |
| kerio | find $path -$filters -exec | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 17:26 |
| Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: while IFS= read -r -d '' x; do some_command "$x"; done < <(find .. -print0) | 17:26 |
| kerio | or find $path -$filters -print0 | xargs -0 | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm smart enough to know about -exec | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even about -print0 | 17:26 |
| Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: That'll work not only with paths containing spaces but also with newlines, and, in fact, any characters. | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but obviously for x in list, it's fucked up | 17:26 |
| Riviera | As -exec and | xargs -0 would as well, but you wanted a loop, so there you are. | 17:26 |
| Riviera | Well certainly, but that's expected. | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the point is that for x actually works just fine | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's the $( find ) that fucks up stuff | 17:28 |
| Riviera | You can make it work for find output that doesn't contain paths with newlines with: IFS=$'\n'; set -f; for blah in $(find); do ..; done | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for x in "a b" "c d" "e f" works like a charm | 17:28 |
| Riviera | Sure. | 17:28 |
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| Riviera | But $() isn't a good choice anyway, because you would have to use it unquoted, hence word-splitting and pathname expansion happen. Also $() removes trailing newline characters. | 17:29 |
| kerio | any shell trick except using NUL as a separator will eventually fail | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tried with IFS=, and IFS=: and it blew chunks on "do" unexpected | 17:29 |
| Riviera | Well, as kerio said, the tools work just fine if you don't use them incorrectly. | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, kerio said that? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah! | 17:30 |
| Riviera | So a legitimate blame would be things were too complicated. | 17:30 |
| Riviera | Why do you laugh that much? You obviously are too clueless for this level of arrogance. | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a legitimate blame would be that anybody using blanks, comma, backspace, esc, exclamation mark, etc, in a filename should get shot with hot owlshit | 17:31 |
| kerio | except that they're perfectly valid characters to use in a path name | 17:31 |
| kerio | well, you don't use characters in path names, you use bytes | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even esc ans backspace? | 17:32 |
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| Riviera | Yes, every character except \0 and, well /. | 17:32 |
| kerio | i think that the only two invalid bytes are NUL and '/' | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my point stands | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hot owl shit | 17:32 |
| kerio | oh, absolutely | 17:32 |
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| jaska | you can also make eth0:0 style aliases that have escape codes or backspaces in them with ifconfig :) | 18:03 |
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| samn900 | Hello, how can I use all common commands of irc by the n900? | 18:23 |
| samn900 | Such /ctcp | 18:24 |
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| Macer | what client are you using? | 18:37 |
| Macer | if you use irssi on it then it works just the same | 18:37 |
| samn900 | Well now here is default chat client of n900 | 18:38 |
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| samn900 | But i have installed also irssi right now | 18:38 |
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| samn900 | So i am fine now but i would switch tabs on irssi client | 18:39 |
| samn900 | Idk how to use it | 18:39 |
| Macer | http://www.irssi.org/documentation/manual | 18:42 |
| Macer | or you can just install xterm | 18:42 |
| Macer | er | 18:42 |
| Macer | xchat | 18:42 |
| Macer | xchat = gui based client | 18:42 |
| samn900 | Yes I tried xchat | 18:42 |
| samn900 | It did not connect | 18:43 |
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| Macer | if it didn't connect it is a problem with whatever server you are using | 18:44 |
| Macer | maybe the server is down | 18:44 |
| Macer | or you have to send it something to connect because of no identd | 18:44 |
| samn900 | Nope anyway thx | 18:45 |
| samn900 | For the link | 18:45 |
| Macer | k | 18:45 |
| Macer | yeah | 18:45 |
| Macer | irssi has a bit of a learning curve.. but once you do it it is worth it | 18:45 |
| Macer | especially since you can use it on a shell | 18:45 |
| Macer | heh | 18:45 |
| Macer | which is what most people do | 18:45 |
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| samn900 | I want just to use to connect to my eggdrop so i only need ctcp command available | 18:46 |
| samn900 | Nothing else | 18:46 |
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| samn900 | Thx its enough for me | 18:46 |
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| kerio | >.< | 19:15 |
| kerio | for crying out loud, stop using IRC to download warez | 19:16 |
| kerio | it's a crappy method | 19:16 |
| samn900 | I dont | 19:16 |
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| Win7Mac | how can I find a certain user in http://maemo.org/profile/list/? Sort: is missing "by user" I'd say... | 20:56 |
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| Win7Mac | or am I missing something? | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | i would honestly like to get a repligard backup from Nemein and compare or even merge it to our currnt repligard | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, finding (out about) a GUID that's 'missing' and where it comes from, what type/record it has or should have in repligard, etc | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is probably the way forward | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eh ECHAN | 23:53 |
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