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| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 | 00:17 |
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| Macer | wth | 01:27 |
| Macer | the cam is saving to the root dir of the device | 01:27 |
| Macer | ? | 01:27 |
| Macer | why isn't it saving to .camera ? | 01:27 |
| Macer | there doesn't seem to be an obvious way to change the dir | 01:27 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Macer: ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 01:37 |
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| Macer | i don't see that file anywhere | 02:48 |
| Macer | user-dirs.dirs isn't anywhere to be found | 02:49 |
| Macer | that might explain why it isn't working properly :-/ | 02:49 |
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| Macer | heh. maemo.org seems so slow nowadays :) | 02:53 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer51: is this some awkward cssu bug with the cam saving to the root instead of .camera or DCIM etc? | 02:57 |
| Macer | or am i just missing something here | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you're most likely just missing something | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll ~user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 236 2009-10-08 10:13 /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat: http://privatepaste.com/7a75fb041b | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: ^^^ | 03:18 |
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| Macer | wth? how is that possible? :) | 03:36 |
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| Macer | yeah i guess I am? | 03:37 |
| Macer | i don't have that file | 03:37 |
| Macer | and that's after a fresh device + cssu testing upgrade :) | 03:38 |
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| Macer | how odd. i just copied/pasted yours | 03:45 |
| Macer | :-/ | 03:45 |
| Macer | although i named it .camera | 03:45 |
| Macer | not DCIM | 03:45 |
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| Macer | that worked tho. odd | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that file is a part of initial basic config. It's most probably never updated or restored when you nuke it | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no single package that owns this file aiui | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so only way to restore it would probably be a eMMC reflash | 03:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Or copy it out of someone else's backup with BM | 04:00 |
| Macer | heh. or just copy paste yours ;) | 04:02 |
| Macer | it worked fine now being set to .camera | 04:03 |
| Macer | so i will just leave well enough alone | 04:03 |
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| troulouliou_dev | hi is it still active here ? i just upgrade my kernel and can not boot my phone anuymore | 04:35 |
| wmarone | try flashing the stock images | 04:36 |
| troulouliou_dev | wmarone, can i just flash the kernel | 04:36 |
| wmarone | I believe so | 04:36 |
| troulouliou_dev | don't want to erase the emmc | 04:36 |
| wmarone | but I haven't done it in a long time | 04:37 |
| troulouliou_dev | wmarone, yeah me too where is the flasher , iirc there was a prog/deamon that could acess the nokia emmc/nand ... | 04:37 |
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| wmarone | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 04:39 |
| wmarone | grab maemo_flasher-3.5 for your OS | 04:40 |
| wmarone | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ - and grab your Maemo 5 release | 04:41 |
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| troulouliou_dev | wmarone, all links are dead | 04:45 |
| wmarone | they work here | 04:46 |
| troulouliou_dev | weird | 04:47 |
| troulouliou_dev | wmarone, http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb | 04:47 |
| troulouliou_dev | this one for instance | 04:47 |
| wmarone | works here | 04:48 |
| wmarone | also if you're working on an N900, I don't know if that one is compatible | 04:48 |
| wookey | anyone know why my marble might have gone all sulky? It was working fine yesterday, but now I've installed various things and downloaded some tiles (and played with maemo-mapper), and now marble runs for a few seconds and then hangs for a minute or two | 04:50 |
| wookey | (on n900) | 04:51 |
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| troulouliou_dev | is there a boot option for flasher to get the backlight on ? | 05:14 |
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| wookey | my /home/user/MyDocs says it is read-only if I try to change anything over ssh | 05:32 |
| rikanee | troulowliou_dev, turning the backlight on happens either when you issue the initialization for the LED's backlight, or when Nokia X-Loader runs. | 05:32 |
| wookey | I see that is reall /dev/mmcblk0p1 mounted as /home/user/MyDocs | 05:32 |
| wookey | (vfat) | 05:33 |
| rikanee | wookey, what user are you logging in as? | 05:33 |
| wookey | ssh as root | 05:33 |
| wookey | then su to user | 05:33 |
| rikanee | try ssh as user. | 05:33 |
| wookey | OK. is it done with fuse or something? | 05:34 |
| rikanee | Nope, it's mounted as a plain block device, but owner is UID/GID 29999 (user) | 05:34 |
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| wookey | rm: cannot remove 'StarWreck.ogv': Read-only file system | 05:36 |
| rikanee | hmm. Try checking 'mount'. | 05:37 |
| wookey | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) | 05:37 |
| wookey | there is that rodir at the end | 05:37 |
| wookey | couldn't find that in the mount manpage | 05:37 |
| rikanee | rodir -- FAT has the ATTR_RO (read-only) attribute. On Windows, | 05:37 |
| rikanee | the ATTR_RO of the directory will just be ignored, | 05:37 |
| rikanee | and is used only by applications as a flag (e.g. it's set | 05:37 |
| rikanee | for the customized folder). | 05:37 |
| rikanee | Try running 'umount /home/user/MyDocs && fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1' as root. | 05:38 |
| wookey | hm device busy | 05:40 |
| wookey | OK. got it | 05:41 |
| wookey | ah. FAT corruption: | 05:41 |
| wookey | FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ? | 05:41 |
| wookey | This takes me back a couple of decades | 05:42 |
| wookey | shitty bloody filesyste, | 05:42 |
| wookey | is 1 or 2 any more likely to be correct? | 05:42 |
| wookey | So I guess this was the 'remount read-only on errors' thing | 05:43 |
| wookey | rikanee: well guessed | 05:44 |
| troulouliou_dev | hi i reflashed the latest official kernel ; how can i reinstall the power kernel now ? | 05:44 |
| wookey | does fat corruption in MyDocs happen often? looks like OSM tiles in this case (which makes sense, I've been messing with maps) | 05:46 |
| troulouliou_dev | apt-get install --resinstall kernel-power-flasher btw :) | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: yeah, and kernel-power-modules and kernel-power | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I think those are dependencies pulled in automatically | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 05:48 |
| infobot | kp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 05:48 |
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| troulouliou_dev | and can i build a usb cable to host mode ? | 05:49 |
| wookey | is it possible to tell the device to run off USB power whilst changing batteries? | 05:49 |
| troulouliou_dev | i mean it is just rewiring female classic usb to the one used by the n900? | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev:(hostmode) it's way simpler to get a USB-AF-AF adapter (with two receptacles) and use that at the standard size USB-A end of your CA-101 cable | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wookey: didn't I point you to my tmo thread just yesterday? | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-15 04:51:22] <DocScrutinizer05> wookey: see my post on tmo about "hotswapping battery, possible" | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-15 04:52:27] <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or been yesterday+1min | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wookey: ultrashort version: yes, but your need to 1) disable GSM 2)lock backlight to always-on 3)stop bme | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after swapping batteries you need to `start bme` and revert whatever else you did and don't want to keep | 05:56 |
| rikanee | It's a massive hack. Ideally, you'd have the big batteries as dumb batteries, and another battery with an integrated Li-ion charger that acts as a sort of buffer between battery swaps. | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: such adapter costs ~$1.50 on fleabay | 05:57 |
| troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, 4 am : soldering mine atm :) | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 05:58 |
| troulouliou_dev | btw i touigh the v51 kernel power fixed smartreflex on overclocking | 05:59 |
| troulouliou_dev | seems i m still facing the rebooting issue | 05:59 |
| rikanee | It's highly device-dependent. | 06:00 |
| troulouliou_dev | rikanee, ho ok | 06:00 |
| wookey | DocScrutinizer05: I didn;t see a reply from you, (I did ask a couple of days ago). Apologies for missing it | 06:00 |
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| troulouliou_dev | anybody planningthe dropbox api migration here for dropn900 or i can go on :) | 06:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: ^^^ | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 06:02 |
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| wookey | Ah I see the hotswap is a little delicate :-) | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>This method was invented by Joerg Reisenweber, and was since implemented practically by many community members. See http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013978.html .<< \o/ eternal fame ;-P | 06:04 |
| troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, yeah the "How to make a type A jack to a type A jack adapter" is nice ; i scrounged some last week on old plate | 06:05 |
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| troulouliou_dev | cool | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wookey: when you follow the recommendations, it is basically safe | 06:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG used that method on a regular basis | 06:09 |
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| wookey | rikanee: yep - fsck has fixed it | 06:13 |
| wookey | cheers | 06:13 |
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| wookey | I hadn't realised all my stuff was on such an unreliable fs | 06:13 |
| wookey | hopefully this will fix various other wierdnesses | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | general advice: fsck on mass-stroage-mode via PC | 06:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | often fsck on N900 natively with all the lots of available free storage (RAM) can take weeks (literally!) | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or- since swap is also on eMMC - it may fail epically | 06:19 |
| rikanee | Anybody know how to use the g_mtp module? | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of | 06:19 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05, with g_mtp, you could probably export a directory over USB as MTP storage | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, that would be awesome | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for needed MTP client(?) on PC side | 06:20 |
| rikanee | It's not direct block access from PC like Mass Storage mode, but it allows using MyDocs on more sane FS | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 06:21 |
| rikanee | Yeah, a MTP client would be needed, unfortunately. But if you keep MyDocs on different partition, you could load g_file_storage instead, export the whole partition, and depend on ext* FS driver on host. | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard of users formatting their MyDocs as ext3 or even 4, and still exporting it via MSM | 06:22 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: Windoze and OSX don't like that too much ;) | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard everything except those doesn't like mtp too much | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it has some really nasty excryption/authentication | 06:23 |
| wookey | g+mtp would be gadget media tranfer protocol | 06:23 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: that's MTZ, Microsoft's encumbered MTP rendition | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for which M$ keeps the secret key | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, maybe | 06:24 |
| wookey | yeah normal MTP is fine on linux | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're the expert ;-) | 06:24 |
| rikanee | Plain MTP, also used by Android devices nowadays for the same reasons (unification of user storage) works pretty well on Windoze, Linux and OSX. | 06:25 |
| * wookey doesn;t care if my phone can;t talk to windows or mocosmachines. not much call for that | 06:25 | |
| rikanee | (***NOTE: OSX doesn't have a native MTP client, but Google's MTP client works well enough) | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I prefer sftp ;-) | 06:26 |
| wookey | the USB storage model where the block device was exposed so the filesystem layout had to be understood was always un unsatisfying solution | 06:26 |
| wookey | and has kept FAT going for another decade longer than it should | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "sftp://iron900/" in konqueror, nothing beats that | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when it comes to ease of use and convenience | 06:27 |
| rikanee | wookey, I guess UMS is good for recovery purposes, where you need to for example reload a partition layout or filesystem | 06:27 |
| wookey | remind what UMS is | 06:28 |
| wookey | remind me what UMS is | 06:28 |
| rikanee | USB Mass Storage | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's simply a fake memory stick | 06:28 |
| wookey | well it waqs simple to implement, and handed off all the complicated bits about posix and what happens to an open deleted file, to the OS | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and those will live on for another decade | 06:29 |
| wookey | MTP has to decide that stuff itself | 06:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 glances at his USB HDD | 06:30 | |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: UMS has a place for dumb block devices. | 06:31 |
| rikanee | MTP would be better suited to devices with operating systems, where partitioning and losing space are a major annoyance to users. | 06:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the real annoyance in MSM is that it umounts the volume on local system | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | real fun when you write files to where your app thinks a 30GB eMMC or even a uSD should be mounted, but isn't | 06:38 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: and it writes it onto the filesystem under it? Yeah, I spent a few weeks looking for files that were there but mounted over by another filesystem. | 06:39 |
| rikanee | MTP keeps the directory accessible to both OSes, but Bad Things (™) happen when both OSes write to the same file at the same time (can be fixed with mutex/locks on the driver side, but it is tricky) | 06:39 |
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| kerio | rikanee: why is it tricky, hold on | 08:05 |
| kerio | nothing particularly bad happens when a file is written on locally and via nfs at the same time | 08:06 |
| kerio | except that the file gets probably corrupted | 08:06 |
| kerio | which is the same thing that happens when a file is written on locally from two different programs | 08:06 |
| rikanee | kerio: file locking, and deciding which OS to grant access to and which to return a -ELOCKED to, to make sure that major FUBAR doesn't happen | 08:07 |
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| kerio | why would a "major FUBAR" happen that can't happen locally, when two programs write on the same file? | 08:08 |
| rikanee | well, the file get corrupted, which is a major FUBAR to me ;) | 08:08 |
| kerio | so don't write on it from two places | 08:11 |
| kerio | *duh* | 08:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: you're aware that on unix/linux there's no default file locking either, generally? | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least there wasn't, last time I checked | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are two or three concurrent optional file locking mechanisms iirc, but all of them depend on all applications deliberately and faithfully *using* the provided locking functions | 09:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which afaik almost nobody does | 09:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | some editors do nifty stuff like checking if file has changed since opening or last time saving it, and warn you about that fact, asking you if you want to reload / abort save/ overwrite while saving. | 09:28 |
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| neosisani | is it possible to set ringtone to null (mute it) for only one person (girlfired) every night between 00:30 and 10:00 | 09:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 10:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | check barisione's "custom ringtones" or "contact ringtone" or similar. that's for the special ringtone for a certain contact | 10:04 |
| neosisani | DocScrutinizer05, can it be set for timed periods, one during day, one during night? | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you'll also need shapeshifter's alarmed app, to change that particular ringtone to a silent file (length 0 or sth) at certain times of day | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need to dig into "custom ringtone" an little bit, to find out which file to actually change | 10:06 |
| neosisani | like add in cron at midnight ln -s /dev/null ringtone.mp3; at noon ln -s properringtone.mp3 ringtone.mp3 ? | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth like that, just s/cron/alarmed/ | 10:08 |
| neosisani | cool thanks | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 10:08 |
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| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: holy crap, never knew about that. I thought all the filesystems added code for fancy flock() and atomic operations. | 10:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no shit? | 10:10 |
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| neosisani | DocScrutinizer05, what is the proper name of alarmed app? Only thing which contains 'ala' in my repo is nextalarm | 10:22 |
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| MohammadAG | It's preinstalled, the stock clock depends on it | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/alarmed/ | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moin moh | 10:25 |
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| neosisani | ok i need extras-devel, time to set it up | 10:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jr-tools | 10:56 |
| infobot | from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably too late for that single-click repo setup | 10:56 |
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| thedead1440 | ~ping | 11:38 |
| infobot | ~pong | 11:38 |
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| MohammadAG | Morning DocScrutinizer05 :) | 13:20 |
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| andrewfblack | Hello | 13:42 |
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| thedead1440 | Wow Rob (SD69) going mental again | 15:31 |
| thedead1440 | He blames Council for carrying out a coup via re-election | 15:31 |
| thedead1440 | In addition, he put out a press release that clearly seemed to be from the BoD but was only penned by him; surely this is a sack-able offence | 15:32 |
| * thedead1440 wonders why don't the remaining two members of HiFo BoD just vote to sack Rob for misconduct; problem solved and things can move on again | 15:32 | |
| * RST38h yawns and suggests every two of the three remaining members vote to sack the third out. This will add to the intrigue which has been lacking lately] | 15:34 | |
| thedead1440 | intrigue at the expense of things moving forward... | 15:36 |
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| RST38h | What things? | 15:54 |
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| thedead1440 | getting a contract from Nokia signed to complete the handover of maemo.org? Allowing re-elections of Council and BoD to ensure a community elected BoD and Council | 15:58 |
| thedead1440 | also getting the contract with IPHH (the free hosting provider) signed | 15:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 starts to wonder if pharma industry will come up with new strong meds against his Rob-allergy | 16:26 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if not, this guy might kill me by causing anaphylactic multi-organ-dysfunction | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HELl THE FUCKING FUCK we're doing A COUP D'ETAT for grabbing power over HiFo... for 3 weeks, to force re-election | 16:28 |
| thedead1440 | lol | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this is not a coup d'etat, this is THE revolution, if anything. To bring the evil emperor to the guillotine | 16:30 |
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| vi__ | chem|st: ping | 16:46 |
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| vi__ | ping anyone who can speak german. | 16:56 |
| chem|st | vi__: ? | 17:03 |
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| marmoute | vi__: ich bin kein Kartoffel | 17:13 |
| inz | mein Pantzerwagein ist kaputt | 17:15 |
| inz | -i | 17:15 |
| vi__ | Hello chem|st! | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Caeser is eine Primzahl | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mein Fuss kommt so zehackt an, ich glaub er ist verbrannt | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (believe it or not, the latter one has a RL meaning and can be heard on police radio ;-D ) | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a nice one: "nachts ist es kaelter als draussen" | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll win any discussion with this one | 17:40 |
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| vi__ | chem|st: so how do you feel about helping me purchase more broken suspension parts from Germany? | 17:54 |
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| kerio | vi__: but they're going to be broken! | 18:00 |
| vi__ | heh, it even states the shock absorber is broken. | 18:03 |
| vi__ | But it is an ohlins and thus rebuildable. | 18:03 |
| vi__ | Also, it is the first I have seen for sale in ~1 year. | 18:03 |
| vi__ | I just need a German speaking buddy to ask him to ship it to the UK. | 18:04 |
| vi__ | I could use google translate but I do not want to look like a total spazz. | 18:05 |
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| chem|st | vi__: just shoot it! enough germans in here to help you with phrasing | 18:09 |
| chem|st | gtg.. | 18:09 |
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| vi__ | Let me get back to you in 5 days. | 18:10 |
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| vi__ | F* it. | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | vi__: for example I'm german speaking aswell though not a german :D | 18:12 |
| vi__ | heh | 18:12 |
| merlin1991 | Austria is something completely different ;) | 18:12 |
| vi__ | It is a monoshock on ebay. I have bid anyway and will deal with the getting him to ship to UK when I win. | 18:12 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: that's what you guys keep saying, but i don't see it | 18:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Macer: ping | 20:32 |
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| GI_Jack | I tried overclocking with qcpufreq and tcp/ip stopping working, completely | 21:23 |
| GI_Jack | like I cannot even ping localhost | 21:24 |
| GI_Jack | any ideas | 21:24 |
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| kerio | GI_Jack: don't do that | 21:24 |
| GI_Jack | kerio, lesson learned, anything I can do without reflash | 21:25 |
| kerio | just a reboot, probably | 21:25 |
| kerio | disable OC and try again | 21:25 |
| GI_Jack | I did and it still doesn't work | 21:25 |
| kerio | after rebooting? | 21:25 |
| GI_Jack | yes | 21:25 |
| kerio | mmmh | 21:25 |
| raid__ | my computer crashed and sierraCharts locked me out >:( | 21:25 |
| kerio | mmmmmmmmh | 21:25 |
| GI_Jack | after re-flashing the stock kernel via usb | 21:25 |
| raid__ | how are we looking? | 21:25 |
| kerio | GI_Jack: idk, reinstall kernel-power-modules and kernel-power and then reinstall kernel-power-flasher | 21:26 |
| kerio | i have no idea what qcpufreq did to your kernel setup | 21:26 |
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| kerio | ah what the fucking fuck, it doesn't even depend on kernel-power | 21:27 |
| kerio | anyway, idk what's happening there | 21:29 |
| GI_Jack | ugg | 21:30 |
| kerio | i don't see anything with effects that would stick after a reboot in qcpufreq | 21:30 |
| GI_Jack | it won't even ping localhost | 21:30 |
| GI_Jack | it will connect to the cell network | 21:30 |
| kerio | ...how exactly are you doing that ping? | 21:30 |
| GI_Jack | and wireless | 21:30 |
| GI_Jack | with ping | 21:30 |
| GI_Jack | on xterm | 21:30 |
| GI_Jack | it won't connect to anything | 21:30 |
| kerio | because by default, you need root to ping | 21:30 |
| GI_Jack | not with the web browser | 21:30 |
| GI_Jack | it won't work with root | 21:30 |
| GI_Jack | the webbrowswer won't connect to websites | 21:31 |
| kerio | try reinstalling kernel-power properly | 21:31 |
| kerio | sudo apt-get install --reinstall kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-settings && sudo apt-get install --reinstall kernel-power-flasher | 21:31 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | avoid all things overclocking, there really is no need | 21:34 |
| GI_Jack | is there any real performance gain | 21:34 |
| GI_Jack | mild overclock to 720mhz for around 15 seconds | 21:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | not compared to thumb. | 21:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if you need speed | 21:35 |
| GI_Jack | don't you have to recompile everything for thumb and isn't there are hardware bug with the n900? | 21:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | overclocking is like a mustang in the mud IMO | 21:35 |
| kerio | GI_Jack: there's a hardware bug that has a workaround in recent versions of kernel-power | 21:36 |
| kerio | and as for the recompile... | 21:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | armel applcations will work with thumb | 21:36 |
| kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 | 21:37 |
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| kerio | ah ofc, armel binaries will work | 21:37 |
| kerio | it's not a different architecture | 21:37 |
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| kerio | but you need to recompile the bulk of system packages to feel a real difference, i think | 21:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ^^^ exactly | 21:38 |
| GI_Jack | yeah, something fucked up with tcp/ip I have wireshark running and its capturing packets | 21:38 |
| kerio | are you sure it's not unrelated? | 21:39 |
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| GI_Jack | could be | 21:41 |
| GI_Jack | its some sort of software error | 21:41 |
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| GI_Jack | is there anyhope of getting a kernel ngewer than 2.6.28, like 3.x somethin | 21:47 |
| GI_Jack | or a ver of microb based on modern vers of mozilla | 21:47 |
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| GI_Jack | or a new FIASCO image with a newer read 3.6 or better and ext4? | 21:48 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | why? | 21:52 |
| GI_Jack | performance | 21:52 |
| GI_Jack | ext4 on new kernels has a massive IO performance bump | 21:53 |
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| GI_Jack | the earliest kernel its worth using is 2.6.38 | 21:53 |
| GI_Jack | real world on my personal server, with the same hardware, when I first used this setup, I got around 6 mb/second over my LAN with sftp | 21:54 |
| GI_Jack | going from ext3 to ext4 it got bumped around 7-9 mb/s | 21:54 |
| cehteh | huh | 21:54 |
| cehteh | no problems here | 21:54 |
| GI_Jack | every few point releases they re-write or tweak the ext4 driver | 21:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | will eat more battery power from what I have heard, so pointless really. | 21:55 |
| GI_Jack | now I get around 20 mb/s real world performance same hardware | 21:55 |
| kerio | ext4 for home *does* make a huge difference | 21:55 |
| kerio | but it's hardly supported | 21:55 |
| GI_Jack | its not worth it on kernel 2.6.28 | 21:55 |
| cehteh | but there are some subtle differences .. if you have a modern hdd which internally uses 4k blocks and your partitions are not 4k aligned then performance will drop massively | 21:56 |
| cehteh | check that out | 21:56 |
| kerio | as i said, ext4 for home *does* make a huge difference | 21:56 |
| cehteh | ext4 block allocation and writing works differently than ext3 | 21:56 |
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| GI_Jack | ext3 is ext2 with journaling extensions | 21:56 |
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| GI_Jack | meh I wound up reflashing | 21:59 |
| kerio | cehteh: i usually align to 32M | 21:59 |
| kerio | just because | 21:59 |
| kerio | i aligned my n900's eMMC to 4M | 21:59 |
| kerio | which, nicely enough, means 128 "cylinders" | 22:00 |
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| GI_Jack | is there a package that will automaticly install extra-test and extra-devel | 22:11 |
| GI_Jack | I think I remember something like that a long time ago, but I cannot remember | 22:11 |
| GI_Jack | instead of putting them in by hand | 22:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | .install files maybe dunno where from. no point in testing if using devel. | 22:13 |
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| GI_Jack | there was a way to automaticly adding testing and devel | 22:14 |
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| raid_ | how come i can't install build-essential anymore? | 23:39 |
| raid_ | can it have something to do with the skeiron repositories? | 23:40 |
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| raid_ | it says the package doesn't exist, but is referred to by another package | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | raid_: you're probably missing the right repo. Anyway see here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/build-essential/10.1osso1/ | 23:47 |
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| raid_ | thanks doc. i'm scrambling between 5 different things in a hurry | 23:49 |
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