IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-04-12

BCMMthanks for your help, i think i have what i need to charge now00:00
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BCMM(i've gone on holiday, abroad, without a real wall charger. this information is very useful to me)00:01
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DocScrutinizer05BCMM: don't worry about resetting bq24150 chip, bme will reset it00:07
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DocScrutinizer05BCMM: no wait needed00:08
DocScrutinizer05bme will detect when status of chip is not as supposed to be and will re-initialize it00:08
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: so rmmod bqwhatever; start bme is safe?00:10
DocScrutinizer05sigh00:10
DocScrutinizer05oops ECHAN00:10
DocScrutinizer05BCMM: yes00:10
BCMMthanks!00:10
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BOY77Xhttp://www.reddit.com/r/XXXBITCHINBEACHXXX/comments/1c5t0e/beautiful_girl_big_boobs_beautiful_face_wonderful/00:13
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Maceri sure wish conversations was tabbed00:16
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fmunozsyou are bannying 254 inocent users00:17
Macerlol00:17
Macerwho the hell spams #maemo?? hahaha00:17
DocScrutinizer05bot00:17
Macerdoesn't seem a very high profile place00:17
DocScrutinizer05~chaninfo00:17
infobot125/125 channels, 5225 users, 3815 unique: #debian/1328, #kde/417, #gsoc/370, #maemo/253, #asterisk/209, #oe/151, #wowuidev/134, #meego/130, #arm-netbook/129, #harmattan/124, #cubieboard/112, #wowace/106, #utah/93, #webos-internals/92, #wowhead/87, #openmoko/81, #openmoko-cdevel/72, #bzflag/67, #tomcat/63, #edev/62, #uclibc/57, #asterisk-dev/56, #/50, #maemo-ssu/50, #sc2mapster/47, #htc-linux/47, #uphpu/45, #curseforge/44, #n9/43, #slug/32, ...00:17
M4rtinKwe are 4th00:18
M4rtinKnice00:18
Macerwow00:18
Macerhm. kubuntu update should be out soon00:19
Macerspeaking of kde heh00:19
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Macerthere is no way to tab conversations huh?00:19
Macerso you don't have like 5 open txt windows? :)00:19
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DocScrutinizer05I'd bet it's a drive-by-virulent site00:20
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: is screen backlight becoming very dim until i lock/unlock an expected side-effect of starting up bme?00:20
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DocScrutinizer05yes00:20
DocScrutinizer05actually off00:21
DocScrutinizer05you can restart mce to fix it00:21
DocScrutinizer05;-)00:21
DocScrutinizer05so far nobody has had a good story *why* this happens00:22
keriobme replacement fixes that! :D00:25
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cehtehi mostly hate that the notification light goes off in bright daylight, wtf-bug00:27
DocScrutinizer05indeed, but not bme-related00:27
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I bet it fixes that, but aren't you worried WHY it fixes that?00:28
keriobecause it never stops talking with mce00:28
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather guess it never starts talking with mce ;-P00:29
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DocScrutinizer05cehteh: you know what I think? kit might be a one-off or overrun / signed-vs-unsigned problem in mce's lp5523 control module00:30
cehtehDocScrutinizer05: nah .. i really want to believe that some nokia dev wanted to make the notification led brightness ambient light sensitive and got dumped before he finished/fixed that idea00:33
cehtehduh .. if mce would be free software there would be soo much potential00:34
DocScrutinizer05ooh right, it isn't environment aware unless it dims down - renders my explanation moot00:34
DocScrutinizer05s/environment/ALS/00:35
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: ooh right, it isn't ALS aware unless it dims down - renders my explanation moot00:35
DocScrutinizer05though there's a simple "workaround" to cover ALS when locking screen, it's still annoying like hell00:35
cehtehallowing extra bright flashes by driving the current up for patterns with short pulses for example00:35
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cehtehah i didnt know that worksaround00:36
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DocScrutinizer05I guess it's a buffer overrun of the kbd backlight dimming00:37
DocScrutinizer05or a silly joke00:38
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DocScrutinizer05first approach for investigations: strace mce and check what it sends to /dev/i2c*00:39
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Macerah well... let me go ahead and install cssu testing00:40
Macerand enjoy my new (and functional) n900 heh00:40
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Macerhm01:04
Macercssu doesn't have built in snap to grid stuff?01:04
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sixwheeledbeastMacer: snap to grid. it should have01:07
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DocScrutinizer05cssu has all the features of standard maemo01:09
DocScrutinizer05except if you consider bugs features you'd miss01:09
DocScrutinizer05even for the bugs we try to find a way to keep them for those who love them for a weird reason, rather we make them optional ;-)01:10
sixwheeledbeastlol, it does seem like that. but it's nice to have options.01:11
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DocScrutinizer05what we not keep are bugs with clearly no possibly positive or exploitable side effects at all, like increased battery consumption in hildon-desktop when menu in applauncher is too short01:12
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DocScrutinizer05or fs-corruption, or stuff like that01:14
sixwheeledbeastoh you just reminded me of something I noticed.01:14
sixwheeledbeastIn app launcher, edit mode. the font is always Nokia Sans and not system font.01:15
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DocScrutinizer05hmm01:17
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DocScrutinizer05I never use applauncher edit mode, so I can't say anything about it01:18
MacerDocScrutinizer05: yeah ok so i still need to install teh tweak stuff to snap to grid?01:18
Macerheh01:18
Maceri'm just glad to have telepathy/conversations back01:19
Macergood stuff :)01:19
DocScrutinizer05yep, probably you will need to enable snap-to-grid just like on stock HD01:19
DocScrutinizer05nd I thhink there's been another bug we didn't bother to keep: reboot/bootloop on snapgrid width = 001:20
DocScrutinizer05I'm not 100% sure though, so test on your own peril01:21
sixwheeledbeastI thought snap-to-grid was 4 as default01:22
DocScrutinizer05who cares about default?01:22
DocScrutinizer05also 4???01:22
sixwheeledbeastso 4 = enabled, no?01:23
DocScrutinizer054 what? pixel?01:23
sixwheeledbeastI guess, well it's not elephants. ;)01:23
Macerhaha01:24
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sixwheeledbeasthttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop#Edit_Mode01:25
DocScrutinizer05nm, I thought I've seen or heard about a dedicated grid pitch setting and another setting to enable/disable it. Now in tweaker that looks different01:27
sixwheeledbeastanyway, bed for me night all.01:29
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Macerso i have to change teh gps server to supl.google.com?01:43
Maceris there no nokia drive for n900?01:43
Macerovi maps is horrid01:43
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ManoftheSeaMacer: or another A-GPS server.01:44
Macerso fmms is the only way to send mms still huh?01:46
Macerit was never merged into conversations?01:46
BCMMMacer: i use maperro for routing01:53
BCMMit's currently broken due to a change in google's api (i think); see forums for patched version not in repos01:53
BCMMalso, anybody got a recommendation for another routing map program? maperro is a little heavy on cpu01:54
keriosurely, monav's routing01:55
keriomodrana uses it, if you want01:55
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Macerheh02:04
Maceris the n900 ovi store dead?02:04
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BCMMkerio: does it do voice?02:15
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Macerwoop02:19
Macerback in xterm on my n900!!02:20
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BCMMis kernel power included in cssu?02:44
BCMMnm, this phone isn't up to date02:46
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Macernice02:51
Macerall i have to do now is just make it perfectly customized :)02:51
Maceri forgot how awesome an n900 was lol02:51
Maceri need to get a pay by the day sim for my e7 tho :-/02:51
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trumee~ping03:07
infobot~pong03:07
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Macerwell hopefully the bt dun works correctly03:22
Macerdon't see why it would be difficult at all to get working but i guess i will find out later :)03:22
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eccerr0ri wonder if they fixed bt dun in networkmanager...03:25
eccerr0rusb dialup works fine in gentoo networkmanger... was disappointed that bluetooth did not without a patch...03:27
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Macerhm06:03
Macerwhere are the tmobile us fmms settings?06:03
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: do you know where i can find tmobile us fmms settings?06:04
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Maceroh06:06
Macernm06:07
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Maceris there some type of method to get to the task manager?08:25
Macerfmobi doesnt have a way to leave it08:25
Macer:-/08:25
Macerlike is there some button set to get to the task manager like a home button?08:25
discopighi08:29
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bef0rd_Macer: yes08:31
bef0rd_ctrl + backspace I think08:31
bef0rd_sym + backspace08:31
bef0rd_can't remember the label08:32
bef0rd_top corner buttons08:32
Macerah ok thanks08:33
Macerhow weird fmobi doesnt have an option for this08:33
bef0rd_just checked my n900, I was right both times :P ctrl/sym is the same button08:33
Macerall you can do is exit lol08:33
Maceryeah08:33
Macerit worked ... thanks08:34
bef0rd_yea, it's a well "known" feature08:34
Macerjust never had to do it heh08:34
bef0rd_same for opening xterm08:34
Maceropening xterm?08:34
bef0rd_ctrl shift x08:34
bef0rd_it's a bit hard to do it08:34
Macerhaha08:35
Maceryeah but this fmobi thing is irritating :)08:35
Macerit runs full screen without a window swapping method08:36
Macerweird08:37
Macerah well. thanks08:37
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XATRIXHi guys, where is the howto on how to upgrade libflash plugin to more recent version ?10:40
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Macerthe saga continues10:54
Macereheh10:54
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louigihey fellas! my N900 for ages does not connect to GPS. I still have Nokia server in settings. Should I change it to smth else?11:36
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freemangordonlouigi: supl.google.com11:39
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louigifreemangordon, thank you!11:45
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ShadowJKheh, I have supl.nokia and gps connects for me, though it does take about 20s in car12:27
thedead1440i've always wondered about supl.nokia.com on N900 since the same works on Harmattan...12:32
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ShadowJKWell, N810 agps stopped working a couple years before n900 too12:36
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jacekowskiwhat is it set to on new wp phones?12:38
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DocScrutinizer05~seen Woody1461914:38
infobotwoody14619 <~Woody@Maemo/community/contributor/Woody14619> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 10h 40s ago, saying: 'Good luck Maemo community.  See you when I get back. :)'.14:38
DocScrutinizer05[2013-04-07 13:12:21] <-- Woody14619 has left this server (Quit: irc on the n900 is functional, but tiny. :P).14:39
Drathirirssi works great...14:42
DocScrutinizer05my last two posts were about woody though, not about IRC14:43
DocScrutinizer05I'm concerned about his well-being14:43
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Drathiryes, yes that about quit msg i think tiny is good...14:45
Drathirbtw chroot archlinux inside maemo grow the power much more apps avaible in this mode...14:46
DocScrutinizer05woody had a surgery on Friday, on Sunday he queried me with (among other): [2013-04-07 13:11:28] <Woody14619> should be back on my feet, at work, & at 80 to 90%ish by Monday.14:47
DocScrutinizer05since then no woody showing up anywhere14:47
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Drathiri wish good luck with rehability, and fast recoovery to health,i think is allright with him?14:49
DocScrutinizer05that's my worry14:50
Drathirmaybe only dont have acces to network :/14:51
DocScrutinizer05he evidently had, on sunday14:51
* Drathir hate situation when dont have contact with person which know and must waiting for message what happening that time is horrible...14:52
DocScrutinizer05and by all reasonable estimations he should be sitting at home at very least, since monday or tuesday14:53
DocScrutinizer05I'm seriously worried14:54
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Drathirone idea maybe he must stay in bed and cant use PC/ cant walk much or must lie... sadly one we can do is waiting... :/15:01
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Drathirlie i mean stay in bed*15:07
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tanagoyou mean lay15:08
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Drathirtanago: yea maybe right too, lied if good remember also can mean dont say a true...15:50
teotwakiwhat the?15:51
teotwakiIs a Dalek attempting to discuss philosophy?15:52
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: eh?17:32
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: -ECHAN?17:33
DocScrutinizer05~wtf dalek17:33
infobotGee...  I don't know what dalek means...17:33
teotwaki-ECHAN?17:34
DocScrutinizer05ok, -EGIBBERISH17:34
teotwakiDalek, big bad guys from Dr Who?17:35
DocScrutinizer05or, to help you out in case it's too compressed data for you: WTF are you saying? you lost me on your last 2 posts17:35
teotwaki<Drathir> tanago: yea maybe right too, lied if good remember also can mean dont say a true...17:36
teotwaki<teotwaki> what the?17:36
teotwaki<teotwaki> Is a Dalek attempting to discuss philosophy?17:36
teotwaki"lied if good also can mean don't say a true"17:36
teotwakithat made my logic parser coredump.17:36
DocScrutinizer05hehehehe17:36
DocScrutinizer05Drathir has a strange french sometimes ;-D17:36
DocScrutinizer05he meant "Oh you're probably right. 'lie' means 'not say the truth' and thus is not the same as 'lay'"17:37
DocScrutinizer05[2013-04-12 14:01:17] <Drathir> one idea maybe he must stay in bed and cant use PC/ cant walk much or must lie... sadly one we can do is waiting... :/17:38
DocScrutinizer05[2013-04-12 14:08:32] <tanago> you mean lay17:39
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: a "-C 5" parameter would fix your parser issue17:40
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teotwakiDrathir: are you related to Kerthan, by any chance?17:41
DocScrutinizer05~seen kerthan17:42
infoboti haven't seen 'kerthan', DocScrutinizer0517:42
teotwaki~seen khertan17:42
infobotkhertan <~khertan@AAmiens-554-1-39-46.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 30d 7h 44m 10s ago, saying: 'coderus, i'm trying to open my apps, on a special qml page to respond to a user click on an url bitcoin:abitcoinaddress in the browser'.17:42
DocScrutinizer05Drathir is ~kamiljk8@s51.linuxpl.com17:43
Drathirteotwaki: no, i dont...17:44
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DocScrutinizer05btw he said >> lied if good remember also can mean dont say a true<<17:45
DocScrutinizer05>>if good remember<< == IIRC17:45
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: yes you have a right...17:47
DocScrutinizer05don't blame teotwaki, he's a spelling and grammar nazi ;-D17:47
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teotwakihow dare you use such an insult, DocScrutinizer0518:17
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: I'm a spazzi, or grazzi, according to Wernher Von Braun.18:18
DocScrutinizer05aaah ok :-)18:18
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: i dont blame teotwaki i even cant think that way... i appreciate when someone correct my poor phrase, because only that i can still learn about new things, if noone say a word i even dont know that not look well... i dont sure if i good remember that lie is correct word, and someone missunderstand me and think about lie word bad side, anyway i also dont know about lay word which is safer to use what i see and dont have second bad mark...18:19
DocScrutinizer05sorry, my english also isn't perfect18:19
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio18:19
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: sure, no problem18:20
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: I actually appreciate you posting here despite you know your english isn't that perfect. As long as others can (usually ;-D) parse it, it's a better approach than the oapproach of those who are too shy to post anything at all18:22
kerioDrathir: also, you won't learn a language without /using/ it18:23
kerioand using it involves making mistakes18:23
DocScrutinizer05and don't hope for too much about learning correct English in IRC ;-)18:25
ManoftheSeaI'm an english native-speaker.  I advocate using other languages, because English is horrible.18:25
keriowell, if you can look past the abbreviations...18:25
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ManoftheSeaWe steal from the french, from the germans, from latin and greek...18:25
DocScrutinizer05probably teotwaki can explain to you why that's a futile idea18:25
kerioi'm an italian native-speaker, i advocate learning italian, because then you can read dante alighieri's divina commedia, which is fucking sweet18:26
teotwakiYeah, because that's never been translated :P18:27
kerioalso, you pronouce words as you write them18:27
kerio>implying a translation of poetry is even remotely as good as the original18:27
teotwakiThat's like saying you need to learn russian to appreciate Dostoyevsky's genius, which is ridiculous.18:27
DocScrutinizer05I always found in Italian you don't even pronounce *letters* as you write them ;-D18:27
ManoftheSeaciao: chow18:28
ManoftheSeasee-yow18:28
kerioteotwaki: that's not poetry, though18:29
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DocScrutinizer05thank God it's Friday, eh?18:29
ShadowJKis that like Vogon poetry?18:30
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what became of good old traditional Friday afternoon lengthy off-topic discussions. They somehow got oldfashioned during last 2 or 3 years18:31
Drathirkerio: yes that true, using it is the fast way what i hear too in the people live in countries speaking native english... i only lern it at school few few years ago, and now only irc or some of games chat, but there is difference between irc speaking...18:31
DocScrutinizer05you can't learn English on IRC18:32
DocScrutinizer05there's no English on IRC ;-)18:33
teotwakikerio: Monsieur, cette manière est toujours délicate, Et sur ce bel esprit nous aimons qu'on nous en flatte; mais un jour, a quelqu'un dont je tairai le nom, je disais, en voyant des vers de sa façon, qu'il faut qu'un galant homme ait toujours grand empire sur les démangeaisons qui nous prennent d'écrire.18:33
ManoftheSeaI'm American18:33
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keriosorry, i can't french18:33
teotwakikerio: Qu'il doit tenir la bride aux grands empressements, qu'on a de faire éclat de tels amusements; et que, par la chaleur de montrer ses ouvrages, on s'expose à jour de mauvais personnages. :)18:34
DocScrutinizer05read english books, or magazines (I read Byte magazine each english lesson at school. Once the teacher checked what I'm reading he ignored it as an alternative way that's related to what he's trying to teach us)18:34
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: what i hear about english learn- the tru is that native americans less know prime rules than other nationality ppl arrive to country, but only hear that...18:34
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ManoftheSeateotwaki: run-on sentence much?  le phrase, il se marche.18:34
teotwakiThat's a shame, because that stuff rolls off the tongue like a melting caramel sweet.18:34
teotwakiManoftheSea: please don't google translate.18:35
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: average US Joe knows ~ 500 words18:35
keriohaha18:35
ManoftheSeateotwaki: Well, it's the equivalent.  I actually did study some french.18:35
teotwakiManoftheSea: this is dialogue, written from memory, I truthfully couldn't recall the proper punctuation marks :)18:35
teotwakidialogue, as in "monologue from a single person".18:36
ManoftheSeaum... monologue already means "one person speaking".18:36
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: though i'm supposed to know all the words in your french posting, the meaning falls into pieces while I parse that sentence18:36
teotwakiC'est un parleur étrange et qui trouve toujours... l'art de ne vous rien dire avec de grands discours; dans les propos qu'il tient, on ne voit jamais goutte, et ce n'est que du bruit que tout ce qu'on écoute.18:37
teotwakiBasically, it's a rant about a guy who keeps on talking, and even though the words he uses fit correctly together, they don't mean much. People, impressed by the vocabulary, shocked by the audacity, slowly begin to realise that they only hear noise, with absolutely no signal.18:37
ManoftheSeaIt seems to have rhythm and rhyme.18:38
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and that second sentence even made a cloudy sense to me18:38
teotwakiOh it definitely does, it's from the greatest dialogists of all time (or at least, in the French realm), Molière.18:38
ManoftheSeaThat's who I was trying to remember.18:39
DocScrutinizer05doesn't change my ability to parse it and make sense of it18:39
Drathirin russian bye if good remember write poka or paka light for or official doswiedania russian inside poland is more popular on older ppl...18:39
DocScrutinizer05usually french syntax and grammar breaks my wetware microcode and causes a exception18:40
teotwakiThere's a guy, completely nuts, Fabrice Luchini, who is our contemporary master in reciting Céline or Molière. He is capable of quoting hours and hours of poetry and theatre, playing every single character at the same time. But he's not just a comedian, he often argues the need for comedians to not simply remember lines, but feel them, live them. What went through that bastard's head while he wrote it? What were his emotions.18:41
teotwakiHis ideology is that you don't recount Molière, you don't act Molière, you reinterpret it.18:41
DocScrutinizer05sounds sensible18:42
ManoftheSeaSounds French18:42
DocScrutinizer05I'm feeling alike when reading schematics ;-)18:42
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Drathirin other languages sound good "nos vemos capo"18:47
Drathirin my words translate if good remember mean bye bye guys, thats a single words that i remember from some games chats, i always like be inside team even i dont understand most of  they write, but only this way when was a calm times members translates some words to english and i was muchas gracias for that...18:53
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DocScrutinizer05see you! chapeau19:05
DocScrutinizer05galizisch :-o19:06
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teotwakiDrathir: grateful19:06
DocScrutinizer05Galician19:06
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Drathirfail sorry23:36
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