| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: https://lists.maemo.org | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | package name? | 00:02 |
| Pali | jacekowski: usbmode, fiasco-image-update-ask, ipv6-support | 00:02 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, can you add redirect from https://lists.maemo.org/ to https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo ? | 00:03 |
| Pali | because https://lists.maemo.org is 404 | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that's a good idea | 00:04 |
| Pali | and https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/ is 403 (maybe redirect can be better too) | 00:04 |
| Pali | https://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/ is 403 | 00:04 |
| Pali | and this https://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ is OK | 00:05 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: https://www.maemo.org --> invalid certificate too | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should redirect to bugs.maemo.org anyway | 00:07 |
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| Pali | hm, why https://www.maemo.org/ redirect to https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi ? | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're not designing new stuff here, we fix existing stuff | 00:09 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, before migration (dec 2012) https://www.maemo.org worked | 00:09 |
| Pali | it was not redirected to bugs | 00:09 |
| Pali | so it is bug | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's an old bug | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for now we can't possibly do anything about it | 00:11 |
| Pali | jacekowski, also all kernel-power(-*) 2.6.28-10power52 packages missing in maemo.org package interface | 00:11 |
| Pali | but are on repository.maemo.org extras-devel | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: so please file a ticket on b.m.o | 00:15 |
| Pali | for what? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (about https://www.maemo.org) | 00:16 |
| Pali | missing kernel-power packages (again)? | 00:16 |
| Pali | ok | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: that ticket gathers dust on BMO for more than an year | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this ticket has two aspects: nonsensical forwarding to b.m.o, and invalid cert | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the invalid cert issue can't get possibly fixed for now, I guess | 00:18 |
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| Pali | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12689 | 00:18 |
| povbot | Bug 12689: https://www.maemo.org redirect to bugs | 00:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Pali: I reported this a couple of days after m.o login was fixed. Promotion to testing for devel is broken somehow for all packages. | 00:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/for/from/ | 00:45 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: Pali: I reported this a couple of days after m.o login was fixed. Promotion to testing from devel is broken somehow for all packages. | 00:45 |
| Pali | ok | 00:45 |
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| bef0rd | DocScrutinizer05: just noticed, https://maemo.org content is not the same that http://maemo.org (related to the cms not the certs though) | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF? | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@vcs:~$ id | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uid=30401(joerg) gid=30580(joerg) groups=30580(joerg),27(sudo),30550(cssu-testing) | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@vcs:~$ date >/mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/xxx | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -bash: /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/xxx: Permission denied | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@vcs:~$ ll -dn /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/ | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | drwxrwxr-x 2 1005 1005 4096 Apr 9 05:18 /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle// | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who changed group of /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/ ? | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oops echan | 00:57 |
| n900user | Anyone know if beejive works with nokia n900? | 00:58 |
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| BigBoxDriver | Been there, done that -- da ich aus dem Bereich komme und das nicht die erste community ist die ich (mit) hochziehe bin ich so arrogant und glaube entsprechende Beratungsleistung liefern zu dürfen. <grin>. Wie es dann umgesetzt wird müssen wir halt noch sehen. Und wenn wir wo was "sharen" können um einfach davon/dadurch nen fliegenden Start hinzubekommen - warum nicht? Ich hab schon zu viele Wikis sterben sehen weil nur ein, zwei | 01:11 |
| BigBoxDriver | Sorry - wrong channel | 01:12 |
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| Drathir | ~[6~[6~hi.. | 17:31 |
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| Drathir | grrr... only Hi should be... | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | however looks funny | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody wants to verify https://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ cert? | 17:58 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, working (tested with wget) | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (vcs.m.o pending, should arrive shortly) | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: your tests seem flawed | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you tested yesterday and said "all ok" whle we hadn't installed any proper certs yet | 17:59 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, yesterday wget refused to download that page | 17:59 |
| Pali | now wget downloaded it without problem | 18:00 |
| Pali | and without any warning | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, I'd prefer somebody testing in a proper browser | 18:00 |
| fizzie | Verified by StartCom Ltd, says MicroB. (Is that a proper browser, though?) | 18:00 |
| Pali | ok :-) | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | proper enough, I'd think | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody wants to verify https://vcs.maemo.org/ cert? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, this one been pending for a while it seems ;-) | 18:20 |
| Pali | with wget working | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good, for this one wget is the right test :-D | 18:21 |
| Pali | now trying: $ git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/kernel-power | 18:22 |
| Pali | working :-) | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yes, please! | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 18:22 |
| Pali | (without GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1) | 18:22 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, why it was so fast?? | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so we should've done another good chunk of work to establish "normal operation" | 18:23 |
| Pali | nokia was not able to fix ssl cert for year | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokia didn't bother | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whole shit took me ~6h, incl learning about SSL certs in general, and finding out about how to deal with startcom web interface and whatnot | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile we hopefully fixed a major issue with our NFS mounts that borked quite a lot of stuff, mainly cssu uploads | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | So I tend to already call it a week | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm quite worried anout woody not showing up since sunday | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | woo! | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about* | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | congrats. | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: thanks | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though some workpkgs leave to be done yet: remove *patch pkgs from extras and extras-testing | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ coud you do that? | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could* even | 18:30 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, cert on https://www.maemo.org is still not valid | 19:16 |
| Pali | wget error: ERROR: no certificate subject alternative name matches | 19:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I get (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain) | 19:18 |
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| merlin1991 | sixwheeledbeast that's the same | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: that will not be valid for quite some time still | 19:30 |
| Pali | why? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because... I mentioned it in bug #12689 | 19:31 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12689 https://www.maemo.org redirect to bugs | 19:31 |
| Pali | this is not problem | 19:31 |
| Pali | you need correct ssl cert with domain www.maemo.org | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq do you think I did try&error and picked my nose last 6h I been busy about certs? | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1335465&postcount=54 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12689 | 19:33 |
| povbot | Bug 12689: https://www.maemo.org redirect to bugs | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you want a detailed explanation why www.m.o has wrong cert: we don't have a dedicated vhost configured for that subdomain | 19:36 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, that is not problem | 19:36 |
| Pali | browsers sending hostname in SSL hello message | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the cert we have for *.m.o is valid for m.o and b.m.o only, since we can't get wildcard certs for free | 19:37 |
| Pali | and web servers supports that too | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: honestly!! either suggest a fix, aka "send a patch", or don't pester me | 19:38 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I really do not know your infra, but apache support it | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what in >>we don't have a dedicated vhost configured for that subdomain<< didn't you understand? | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/midgard/apache/vhosts/000_maemo.org_443 | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | www.m.o is handled by this vhost | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rather https:www.m.o is | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (_443) | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: sorry, I'm in a foul mood today | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: thanks for reporting | 20:29 |
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| BCMM | is there any way to force the n900 to fast-charge? i.e. tell it "pretend d+ and d- are shorted"? | 21:49 |
| Pali | BCMM, with bme replacement yes | 21:50 |
| BCMM | i have a powered usb hub that i know is OK with high current draw, but no computer to do negotiation | 21:50 |
| BCMM | Pali: is that ready for actual use? | 21:51 |
| Pali | BCMM, it is still experimental | 21:51 |
| Pali | but if you have kernel-power v52 you can stop BME and switch to kernel driver charging | 21:51 |
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| Pali | bq2415x_charger driver has sysfs node "mode" where you can set also dedicated (fastcharger) mode | 21:52 |
| BCMM | Pali: i have -power52, do you have a link with information on doing that? | 21:52 |
| BCMM | something like stopping the bme process then instructing kernel over sysfs? | 21:53 |
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| Pali | BCMM, some info is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bq2415x.html | 21:54 |
| Pali | but it may be old | 21:54 |
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| BCMM | Pali: any potential breakage from stopping bme i should know about? will it permit overcharge or anything like that? | 21:55 |
| Pali | use echo off > ... (instead echo none) for disabling charger | 21:55 |
| Pali | BCMM, everything is possible, you have been warned | 21:55 |
| Pali | as root via sysfs you can do anything with bq2415x chip | 21:55 |
| BCMM | Pali: i mean, will just stopping bme cause dangerousness? | 21:56 |
| Pali | but by default there are safe limits set | 21:56 |
| Pali | BCMM, stopping bme could not be dangerous | 21:57 |
| BCMM | so in theory, stop bme; modprobe bq2415x_charger; echo dedicated > /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150a-0/mode should be safe? | 21:57 |
| BCMM | (and should force behavious similar to shorting data pins)? | 21:57 |
| Pali | if internal watchdog in bq2415x chip will not be reseted in 30s, chip will automatically enter some "security" mode | 21:57 |
| Pali | and allow only emergency charging | 21:58 |
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| BCMM | thanks | 21:58 |
| BCMM | Pali: oh two more questions | 21:58 |
| BCMM | how do i get back to normal operation? rmmod the driver and start bme? | 21:58 |
| Pali | BCMM, dedicated mode only set max current limit to unlimited | 21:58 |
| Pali | BCMM, yes, make sure you rmmoded driver | 21:59 |
| Pali | wait about 30-60 seconds (so chip will be reseted) and then start bme | 21:59 |
| BCMM | also, will the battery indicator update without bme or will i have to check charging progress with sysfs somehow? | 21:59 |
| Pali | BCMM, if you have battery applet from CSSU, it will be updated (but with 30s delay) | 22:00 |
| Pali | if you have stock nokia it will not be updated | 22:00 |
| BCMM | i'm on cssu, is the applet replacement in by default? | 22:00 |
| Pali | it is in cssu-devel | 22:00 |
| Pali | and maybe in cssu-testing | 22:00 |
| Pali | run: $ apt-cache policy status-area-applet-battery | 22:01 |
| Pali | and see which version you have | 22:01 |
| BCMM | Pali: i have to go now - thanks very much, i'm away for a few days with only this "charger" and you may have just made it bearable | 22:01 |
| Pali | version 1.0 is new CSSU version | 22:01 |
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| tanago | pali, did you see that http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1334628&postcount=379 ? | 22:02 |
| BCMM | Pali: Installed: 0.1.24+0m5 | 22:02 |
| BCMM | nokia version? | 22:02 |
| Pali | BCMM, yes nokia version | 22:02 |
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| BCMM | hmm i should really go but is there a way to get that on cssu testing? | 22:02 |
| Pali | tanago, do you have bme replacement or nokia bme? | 22:03 |
| Pali | BCMM, installing cssu deb package | 22:03 |
| tanago | I'm running latest Cssu testing+devel+thumb packages | 22:03 |
| Pali | tanago, so you are not using bme replacement? | 22:04 |
| tanago | hmm I haven't heard of it, so i guess n, pali | 22:04 |
| tanago | i guess not* | 22:04 |
| Pali | ok, I will look at this problem later | 22:05 |
| Pali | I think that problem will be in battery applet (and not in kernel) | 22:05 |
| tanago | are you talking about bq27x00 module, pali? | 22:05 |
| Pali | I saw more people on TMO which wrote this problem | 22:05 |
| Pali | tanago, bme replacment is replacement of nokia userspace BME daemon which handling charging | 22:06 |
| Pali | it is replaced by more kernel driver and one is bq27x00_battery | 22:06 |
| Pali | ~bme-replacement | 22:06 |
| infobot | from memory, bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them! | 22:06 |
| tanago | yes I dont use bq27x00 module, because 'bnf' doesnt work with it | 22:07 |
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| tanago | im on kp52 | 22:07 |
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| Pali | tanago, then problem is in battery applet | 22:09 |
| Pali | I will look at it | 22:09 |
| tanago | this happened after the update 1 week ago if that will help you | 22:10 |
| tanago | good luck, if there is anything I can help you, tell me | 22:10 |
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| eccerr0r | Anyone know how much more (or less) memory kernel-power uses statically? (discounting loadable modules) | 22:13 |
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| eccerr0r | compared to the stock kernel of course... | 22:14 |
| Pali | eccerr0r, kernel-power should use same amount of memory as stock kernel | 22:15 |
| Pali | but if you load additional modules, it could be more... | 22:15 |
| Pali | but kernel does not eat lot of memory | 22:15 |
| eccerr0r | hmmm.. okay. I was kind of worried that xfs, etc. were statically compiled into the kernel to allow boot | 22:15 |
| Pali | userspace application eating more... | 22:16 |
| Pali | eccerr0r, I think that xfs is external module | 22:16 |
| Pali | I can check it | 22:16 |
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| Pali | yes, xfs is external module | 22:16 |
| Pali | eccerr0r, your root file system is ubifs on mtd | 22:17 |
| eccerr0r | Ah good. Thanks. I did not want xfs to be loaded because that's a huge module on x86 | 22:17 |
| Pali | so there is no need to statically link fs modules into kernel image | 22:17 |
| Pali | eccerr0r, only two possible FS for nand devices are ubifs and jffs2 | 22:18 |
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| Pali | and jffs2 is older then ubifs | 22:18 |
| eccerr0r | just wanted to make sure only ubifs and ext3 possibly is installed | 22:18 |
| eccerr0r | err...static that is. | 22:18 |
| Pali | ext3 is also external module | 22:18 |
| eccerr0r | That's fine. | 22:18 |
| eccerr0r | I guess it's time to upgrade it then... Thanks! | 22:19 |
| Pali | eccerr0r, look: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/rx51_defconfig.diff;hb=HEAD | 22:19 |
| Pali | this is config diff between nokia stock and kernel-power (last=v52) kernel | 22:20 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, https://wiki.maemo.org has bad ceritifate too | 22:21 |
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| Pali | and wiki is important | 22:21 |
| tanago | does anybody know which process should I restart if I make changes to gdigicam-camerabin.conf in order to not restart the phone after each change> | 22:21 |
| Pali | ERROR: no certificate subject alternative name matches | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, and it's still same problem, and warfare just explained me that there's no way around it but having separate IP addr for each subdomain, or a wildcard cert | 22:22 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, SNI is not possible? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-11 21:21:30] <warfare> The Problem with SNI is, that it is quite new. And stuff breaks horribly if the client doesn't support it. | 22:23 |
| Pali | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication | 22:23 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, it can be solutions for clients which support it | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm aware of the problem, I discussed it several times with our savvy sysops, and they tell me we can't fix it | 22:24 |
| warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Can you build certificate for wiki? I'll try to get SNI running. | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: sure | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 22:25 |
| Pali | from wiki list SNI support in browsers is good | 22:25 |
| Pali | MicroB on Maemo :-) | 22:26 |
| Pali | is on list | 22:26 |
| Pali | warfare, if you are going to enable SNI on wiki, can you do it on www.maemo.org too? | 22:27 |
| warfare | Pali: I'll try. | 22:27 |
| Pali | ok | 22:27 |
| Pali | warfare, what are problems with SNI? | 22:27 |
| warfare | Pali: but www is a different beast with all the midgard stuff. | 22:27 |
| Pali | only client browsers? | 22:27 |
| warfare | Pali: QT until 4.8, Python, Java until 1.7 | 22:28 |
| warfare | Pali: mostly clients. | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | The common name of this certificate will be set to wiki.maemo.org. | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | The certificate will have the following host names supported: | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wiki.maemo.org | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | You successfully finished the process for your certificate. However your certificate request has been marked for approval by our personnel. Please wait for a mail notification from us within the next 3 hours (the most). We might contact you for further questions or issue the certificate within that time. Thank you for your understanding! | 22:29 |
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| warfare | Oh :) Tripped their threshhold? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: if you want to start with downloads.m.o or www.m.o or planet.m.o, I already created all needed stuff for all those | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I trip their threshold every single time | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, net time spent into this is >30h now | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most of it waiting for shit | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | twiddling thumbs | 22:32 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, still Nokia own maemo.org domain? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | host -a maemo.org | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whois maemo.org | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but we're about to transfer scratchbox.org to our domain of control | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 22:34 |
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| thedead1440 | \o/ finally :D :D | 22:34 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, in vcs.maemo.org cert is missing O and OU, it is OK? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's how class1 certs look like | 22:36 |
| Pali | ok | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | O and OU are _not_ verified for class1, that's why you can get such a class1 cert for a domain you don't "own" | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's also why those certs are for free, since nobody human ever touches them (usually) | 22:37 |
| Pali | but CA is trusted | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while for a class2 cert with O verification you already have to pay ~100 bucks, for *processing* it, IOW for manual verification | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oops 60 bucks | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.startssl.com/?app=40 | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | StartSSL™ Organization Verified | 22:40 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, at least git working without any problem with this maemo cert | 22:43 |
| Pali | no need to hack git to accept untrusted cert | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Your certificate with serial number 650683 has been signed and is available at the Control Panel << | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wiki.maemo.org (server - Class1 - 2014-04-11 | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: done | 22:48 |
| BCMM | Pali: where can i find the .deb for the cssu battery applet? alternatively, how can i monitor charging from the command line? | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: find wiki.m.o key and cert at usual location | 22:49 |
| Pali | BCMM, cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27x00_battery/capacity | 22:49 |
| BCMM | Pali: thx | 22:49 |
| Pali | s/bq27x00_battery/bq27200-1/ | 22:49 |
| infobot | Pali meant: BCMM, cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-1/capacity | 22:49 |
| Pali | or similar, I do not remember | 22:49 |
| Pali | BCMM, you need to load bq27x00_battery kernel driver | 22:50 |
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| Pali | you can see more properties in that folder | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only on BME-replacement powerkernels! | 22:50 |
| Pali | BCMM, you need to stop bme before loading driver | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise loading that module will cause reboots or even bootloops | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you stop bme ;-) | 22:51 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: -power52 ok? | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali ;-) | 22:52 |
| Pali | BCMM, yes kp52 (last) is ok | 22:52 |
| BCMM | ok i guess i'm going to test charging now | 22:53 |
| warfare | wiki over https breaks in interesting ways. | 22:53 |
| BCMM | Pali: how will i know it's working? | 22:53 |
| Pali | BCMM, what if working? | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: interesting enough to have a look? | 22:55 |
| warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, but not today. Some stylesheets are not loading. I'll have a look at it tomorrow. | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not surprised, ther are quite a bunch of weird rewrite rules in all our vhosts | 22:56 |
| BCMM | Pali: how do i tell if it's actually charging? | 22:57 |
| Pali | BCMM, load bq27x00_battery kernel driver | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: pretty simple: if you stopped bme, it *is* *not* charging ;-D | 22:57 |
| Pali | and look to cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq272... | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of coruse your're free to use | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail | 22:57 |
| infobot | i guess bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even on powerkernel | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you loaded bq27x00_battery | 22:58 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, he is using bq2415x_charger module | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, then probably not | 22:58 |
| kerio | you could use bq27k.py! | 22:58 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: btw what i'm trying to do is charge from this usb hub without a computer | 22:59 |
| Pali | but your script should work if bq27x00_battery is not loaded | 22:59 |
| kerio | BCMM: why doesn't it work? | 22:59 |
| BCMM | kerio: no host to do usb power negotiation | 22:59 |
| BCMM | and no h,shorted data pins | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh | 23:00 |
| kerio | hm | 23:00 |
| kerio | BCMM: load bq2415x_charger and set mode to host | 23:00 |
| kerio | or even dedicated, if you /know for sure/ that the usb hub can provide 1A | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should probably work with dumb chargers and hubs as well | 23:00 |
| BCMM | kerio: i have run a raspi off it | 23:00 |
| BCMM | i know it can source a decent amount of current over a single port | 23:01 |
| kerio | yeah but overcurrenting it will eventually break it | 23:01 |
| BCMM | kerio: will break the hub? why? | 23:02 |
| kerio | my sheevaplug's power supply is so fragile, it breaks if you so much think about drawing more than 500mA from the usb port | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most cheap hubs connect all VUSB pins of downstream ports with one rail. The better ones even have a 2A fuse on the line to power supply plug | 23:02 |
| kerio | (no overcharge protection) | 23:02 |
| BCMM | it's on the list of suitable hubs for the raspbeery pi and it has a 2A power adapter | 23:02 |
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| kerio | mmh, then it's probably fine i guess | 23:02 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: my hub looks to have a rail; had to mod it to stop it back-power pi (but getting offtopic...) | 23:03 |
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| BCMM | it looks like i have three methods now... | 23:03 |
| Pali | RPI needs 0.8A? | 23:04 |
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| BCMM | by the way, given an unlimited power source, how much current will the n900 draw? | 23:04 |
| kerio | BCMM: depends on who asks | 23:04 |
| kerio | bme is... 900mA? i think | 23:04 |
| kerio | anyway, in the neighbourhood of 1A | 23:04 |
| kerio | you shouldn't charge the battery at more than... 900, iirc | 23:05 |
| BCMM | anyway it seems like i've been given about three suggestions now, for how to force the n900 to charge with no USB host to negotiate with | 23:05 |
| BCMM | i'm not sure which approach to go with... | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: Iusb=(Psystem+900Ibat*3.8Ubat)/Uusb | 23:13 |
| kerio | wat | 23:13 |
| BCMM | Pali: sorry, kind of forgot what i was doing. do i want to use "dedicated" mode here? | 23:14 |
| Pali | dedicated mode has unlimited current | 23:15 |
| Pali | for wallchargers | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: in short: current on USB != charging current of battery | 23:15 |
| kerio | well yeah | 23:16 |
| BCMM | Pali: so when using a "dumb" supply, it should have similar effects to using auto-mode with shorted data pins? | 23:16 |
| kerio | BCMM: it'll be the same | 23:16 |
| BCMM | thanks | 23:16 |
| kerio | which means that the "dumb" supply might be damaged by the power draw | 23:16 |
| kerio | especially if it's dumb enough to not have overcurrent protection | 23:17 |
| BCMM | kerio: it's labelled 2.0A | 23:17 |
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| kerio | then... it should be fine? | 23:18 |
| BCMM | and while i suppose it's possible that individual ports on the hub would object to sourcing over .5, plenty of raspi users say the hub is OK with that | 23:18 |
| BCMM | s/ports/sockets/ | 23:18 |
| infobot | BCMM meant: and while i suppose it's possible that individual sockets on the hub would object to sourcing over .5, plenty of raspi users say the hub is OK with that | 23:18 |
| BCMM | Pali: just reading log, i need bq27x00_battery as well as bq27x00_charger to monitor charging? | 23:23 |
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| Pali | bq2415x_charger is needed for charging and bq27x00_battery for info about charging/discharging | 23:24 |
| BCMM | Pali: thanks. is the capacity node measured in %, and does it update while charging is hapening? | 23:25 |
| Pali | BCMM, capacity node is in % and is updated when you cat that file | 23:25 |
| Pali | you can cat uevent file | 23:25 |
| Macer | nice | 23:26 |
| Macer | my new n900 showed up | 23:26 |
| Macer | that was actually kind of quick | 23:26 |
| BCMM | Pali: thanks! | 23:26 |
| Pali | which as all properties in one file | 23:26 |
| BCMM | Pali: is POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW estimated completion in seconds? | 23:27 |
| Macer | hm | 23:27 |
| Pali | yes | 23:27 |
| Macer | hm | 23:28 |
| Pali | units are uAh/uA/uV/s/% | 23:28 |
| Macer | looks legit | 23:28 |
| Macer | lol | 23:28 |
| Macer | let me throw the sim in and fire this bad boy up :) | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah!! give cherry an chance ;-P | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 23:29 |
| Macer | n900 can import sim numbers right? | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it can even send stealth SMS | 23:29 |
| Macer | lol | 23:29 |
| Macer | but can it send mms? :-P | 23:29 |
| BCMM | Macer: yes, it can import sim contacts | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see fmms | 23:30 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: i know. i was joking | 23:30 |
| BCMM | Macer: cannot remember how but i believe it involved extra software (not the contacts app) | 23:30 |
| Macer | omg seriously? lol | 23:30 |
| Macer | it can't jsut do it on its own? :) | 23:30 |
| BCMM | Macer: nope contacts app does it and i'm wrong | 23:31 |
| BCMM | Macer: menu - get contacts - copy from sim card | 23:31 |
| Macer | well it's been a while since i've had a functional n900 | 23:31 |
| BCMM | the thing it does *not* do is display them, at all, before you do that | 23:32 |
| Macer | oh that'sf ine | 23:32 |
| Macer | i just need to copy them over | 23:32 |
| Macer | so i don't spend 5 hours copying phone numbers ;) | 23:32 |
| kerio | >no sync with a computer | 23:33 |
| kerio | >2013 | 23:33 |
| kerio | i don't even | 23:33 |
| Macer | how cute. it had the battery in the device.... dead | 23:34 |
| Macer | lol | 23:34 |
| Macer | i'm wondering if i should just swap batteries out my old one or just use the one that came with it | 23:34 |
| Macer | it has a solid amber :) guess i can just walk away for an hour or so | 23:34 |
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| Macer | and some knockoff chinese nokia headphones.. that's not too promising | 23:35 |
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| Macer | wow it's a real toss up as to which n900 is the refurbished knockoff | 23:37 |
| Macer | if i were to guess i'd say the brand new on i jsut got lol | 23:37 |
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| Macer | wth? something is different | 23:40 |
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| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: aren't stealth sms messages used in tracking criminals? | 23:42 |
| Macer | damn | 23:43 |
| Macer | forgot how awesome the n900 was to use lol | 23:43 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: or can you unstealth them? | 23:43 |
| * Macer ponders if he should use the cssu unstable heh | 23:44 | |
| Macer | i don't think nowadays it matters does it? | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: this is another type of stealth SMS. It's hidden from you despite you send it and pay for it | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-unsatble??? | 23:45 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: because the n900 runs old and outdated software? | 23:45 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: how on earth does it work legally with people that are charged per sms anyway? | 23:45 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: in particular the kernel? | 23:45 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: heh i was joking. i meant testing | 23:46 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: anyway, I need more information to understand what you are talking about. It seems kind of a big deal if that's possible. | 23:46 |
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| BCMM | Pali: sorry conversation has scrolled out of xchat's history... to get back to normal operation, i need to unload modules, wait a bit, then "start bme" - is that right? | 23:50 |
| Macer | omg i missed telepathy | 23:50 |
| Macer | symbian bell is awesome but the txting and email apps make you want to throw it into a wall | 23:51 |
| Pali | BCMM, yes, unload all bq* modules | 23:51 |
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| BCMM | Pali: how long do i wait before starting bme again? | 23:51 |
| BCMM | (i'm writing a shell script now so i don't forget again) | 23:51 |
| Pali | if you are not connected charger you do not need to wait | 23:52 |
| Pali | if you have connected charger you can wait for yellow led | 23:52 |
| Pali | but if you wait 40s bq24 chip should be resetted | 23:53 |
| BCMM | Pali: i'm trying to script it - 40s will always be enough? | 23:53 |
| BCMM | also, what will happen if i start bme straight away with charger still connected? | 23:54 |
| Pali | BCMM, I think yes. Also if you have normal charger bme should work immediately without waiting | 23:54 |
| BCMM | fire? bme crash? something in between? | 23:54 |
| Pali | BCMM, if charger is OK noting should happen | 23:55 |
| Macer | yeah but the real question is the facebook contacts integration going to work?? | 23:56 |
| Macer | lol | 23:56 |
| BCMM | Pali: i do not really understand... | 23:56 |
| BCMM | but if i put in a 40s delay i don't have to worry? | 23:56 |
| Pali | yes | 23:57 |
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| BCMM | Pali: thanks | 23:57 |
| Pali | if you wait 40s bq chip will be resetted to state as on boot | 23:57 |
| BCMM | Pali: ah, with no software in charge, the chip resets to managing itself, and bme expects to find that situation when it starts? | 23:59 |
| BCMM | (i mean "in command" by "in charge") | 23:59 |
| Pali | BCMM, nobody knows what bme exactly doing and what needs... | 23:59 |
| BCMM | heh, fair enough | 23:59 |
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