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DocScrutinizer05community, please notice draft which we gonna announce officially tomorrow. feedback solicited over at #maemo-meeting01:28
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XATRIXHi guys, any idea how can i make my handset visible via Windows Networking ?09:35
XATRIXYes, basically i know09:36
XATRIXI have to run winbind (nmbd) in addition to smbd09:36
XATRIXBut i'm using tinysmb, it's a bit different than standard samba09:36
XATRIXDo i still have to run native nmbd ?09:37
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: Hi, you there ?09:43
XATRIXAlso, what do you think about power consumption of my device ?
XATRIXDo i have to tune something extra ?09:44
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sixwheeledbeastXATRIX: is that powertop idle with the screen off and device locked?10:04
XATRIXsixwheeledbeast: Yeap10:04
XATRIXBut 2.5G up and wifi connected10:04
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sixwheeledbeastWell too much C1 you should be looking for at least 90% C410:06
sixwheeledbeastprocesses eating CPU in top?10:06
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XATRIXseems like none10:10
XATRIXafter i reboot it CPU:  2.1% usr  0.9% sys  0.0% nice 96.4% idle  0.3% io  0.0% irq  0.0% softirq10:10
XATRIX 1956  1309 user     S    26132 11.0  0.0 /usr/sbin/browserd -s 1956 -n RTComMessagingServer10:10
XATRIX11% cpu use10:10
XATRIX 1142  1032 user     S    14476  6.1  0.5 /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu10:10
XATRIXsixwheeledbeast: actually i don't think 90% of C4 is possible, cause in this state it should be 90% system halted10:12
XATRIXIt can't be possible10:12
XATRIX a new one test
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XATRIXclean reboot, charging and Wifi + ssh10:13
sixwheeledbeastThis is about what most get including myself.10:14
sixwheeledbeastI'll prove it ... mompls10:14
XATRIXalso i have SmartReflex enabled for now10:14
XATRIXNokia-N900:~# cat /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp10:15
XATRIXvdd2 is equal10:15
sixwheeledbeasteh equal?10:15
XATRIXvdd1=vdd2 = 110:15
sixwheeledbeastboth on 1?10:15
XATRIXsr_vdd1_autocomp = sr_vdd2_autocomp10:16
XATRIXdefault one, i changed only autocomp10:16
XATRIXnothing more, no cpu 'scaling' software installed10:17
sixwheeledbeastI just had 87% C4 on one device with 800 total wakes10:18
XATRIXanything you advice me to tune ?10:20
sixwheeledbeastkill process that's eating your sleep time.10:21
XATRIXcan you tell me which one ?10:21
XATRIXand is it a good idea ?10:21
XATRIXbecause it was a test after restart10:22
sixwheeledbeastC4 is the best sleep C3 is ok in small amounts <=20%10:22
XATRIXno web,no media10:22
sixwheeledbeastfor best results:- offline, wifi off, nothing running but the terminal and locked.10:23
sixwheeledbeast then do three simples and use the best result10:23
XATRIXhow can i press enter during it's locked ?10:25
XATRIXto issue powertop ?10:25
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sixwheeledbeastenter then lock screen you have 11 second before samples10:26
XATRIXcrap, ok10:27
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XATRIXso , #powertop > ~/power.log ?10:28
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sixwheeledbeastif you want to print to file.10:30
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sixwheeledbeastXATRIX: ^^^ pretty good example output10:35
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XATRIXdamn.. you really have not bad results10:41
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sixwheeledbeastXATRIX: That's the sort of thing you need to aim for.10:50
XATRIXyea, but i have no idea what should i actually hack in10:51
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sixwheeledbeastwell it's all about working out what is stopping your device having a snooze. It will be a process/daemon/application/widget etc etc10:52
XATRIXyea, ok...will make an experiment right now10:52
sixwheeledbeastpossibly even multiple offenders but you will notice10:53
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sixwheeledbeastif you can pastebin your pkg list I can possibly guess10:53
sixwheeledbeastIIRC "maemo-list-user-packages" in a terminal?10:55
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XATRIXalso, should i disconnect if from usb before starting powertop?10:57
sixwheeledbeastsorry yes no charging, this will mess results up10:57
XATRIXno radio, no charging, no active apps,10:58
XATRIXand locked10:58
sixwheeledbeastwell packages I personally suspect of eating resource are:-10:58
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sixwheeledbeastqtlockscreeen, personal ip widget and maybe advanced power11:01
XATRIXadvanced power is for percentage monitoring in system tray11:02
XATRIX+ it tells me approx time to discharge11:02
sixwheeledbeastbattery monitoring eats CPU :)11:02
XATRIXqtlockscreen maybe i have to kick it out11:02
XATRIXbut, the default one indicator does the checks also, so it also drains power )11:03
XATRIXdoesn't make much sens ;)11:03
sixwheeledbeastit works differently IIRC11:03
XATRIXsure, but it also does queries to BME :)11:04
XATRIXyou can change the handling of the monitoring software, but the way it asks for data still the same :)11:04
sixwheeledbeastalso home ip11:04
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sixwheeledbeastit's one of those widgets I used and removed11:05
XATRIXyea , i agree, but i'd like to test powertop before, maybe it doesn't drain it so hard11:05
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XATRIXi need something to quickinform me about my current addr, cause it's hard for me, eveytime to unlock it , and "ip addr" it11:06
sixwheeledbeastbare in mind I have tested a lot of apps and seen there fx11:06
XATRIXyeap , maybe you have a better way to find out what ip do i currently have without home ip ?11:07
sixwheeledbeastI have recently removed my QBW's to save power11:07
XATRIXi have none :(11:07
sixwheeledbeastQBW will do it I used it after personal ip11:07
sixwheeledbeastqueen beecon wodget11:08
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: queen beecon widget11:08
XATRIXi don't think i have some11:08
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XATRIXholy crap11:14
XATRIXrebooted device, locked, no wireless, only GSM, no sshd, a few widgets on a desktop11:15
XATRIXmail informer, calendar events , home ip11:15
XATRIXmaybe i have to disable pulseaudio ?11:16
XATRIXand make it use plain alsa ?11:16
XATRIXnow i turned on sshd, wifi, locked, and no extra software i started
XATRIXseems like wireless doesn't let device to fall back to sleep state C411:18
XATRIXthat's really crap11:19
sixwheeledbeastmobile hotspot?11:19
XATRIXyea, it's a ad-hoc access point software11:20
XATRIXi can NAT external connections11:20
XATRIXusually i don't use it11:21
sixwheeledbeasti am suggesting possible cause11:21
XATRIXalso, why does it tell me qtlockscreen installed as you remember ?
XATRIXmobile hostspot is not an autostart software11:21
sixwheeledbeastthis can happen11:22
XATRIXalso, i did bochs emulator installation via apt-get install11:22
XATRIXi think it's a proper way to install software11:22
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sixwheeledbeastXATRIX: well you have pretty much proved it's an application ^11:25
XATRIXsorry, what do you mean ?11:25
XATRIXsixwheeledbeast: and why does browserd eats a lot of cpu  ?
XATRIXbut as long as i see it shouldn't , the state of the process is S11:26
XATRIXSleep mode, it's not [R]unning11:26
sixwheeledbeastsomething must be causing issues when wifi is back on11:27
sixwheeledbeastThat's RAM not CPU!11:27
sixwheeledbeastoh ssh that could be messing up powertop output.11:28
XATRIXah ,crap, sorry11:28
XATRIXmy falut11:28
XATRIXalso, that's the current data of my BME
kerioit's not the data of your BME11:29
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XATRIXhm, i'm also curious, why it does drain battery while i was talking to my friend with plugged in USB11:54
XATRIXi think it should take power directly from the outlet, instead of battery, while it fully charged and charger plugged in11:55
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XATRIXCSOC: 96 % RSOC: 96 %11:58
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XATRIXit was 97 percent... and charge indicator is green11:58
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thedead1440iirc it doesn12:04
thedead1440't charge till its down to 92%12:04
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XATRIXit starts to charge, even if you unlpug/plug charger12:07
XATRIXok guys, have to go now12:08
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keriothedead1440: are you sure about the number? i thought it was 9012:28
thedead1440kerio: yeah could be that; not too sure it was around that range though12:29
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ShadowJKDepends on load too13:08
kerioit's a bq thing, right13:10
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kerioit's not software-controlled13:10
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DocScrutinizer05there are two charge cycle mechanisms: bq24150 resuming charging when a certain *voltage* threshold is tripped. And bme forcing bq24150 into charging every 2min or somesuch16:17
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DocScrutinizer05note that at least two charger chip (bq24150 and pcf50633) use same voltage threshold mechanism for battery maintenance at full16:28
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DocScrutinizer05since manufacturers most likely do diligent and extensive research how to design their battery charger chips before they invest millions $$ into production of a chip with fixed maskprogrammed algorithm, you should assume that this is the generally recommended best method to maintain LiIon cells16:31
kerioDocScrutinizer05: does bq24k have a flag that says "charge has ended so now it's discharged but will recharge once we hit the threshold"?16:31
kerio*not charging16:31
keriothen why the F doesn't the bme replacement use it16:32
keriooh and also *start charging again16:32
DocScrutinizer05there's a flag user can set to enable this auto-recharge16:33
DocScrutinizer05VDQ is probably a good flag telling "it been fully charged and now is discharging"16:34
keriohmm, i suppose that you still have to know if the charger is connected16:35
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DocScrutinizer05any power-good flag will serve for "charger attached" - so this plus the aut-recharge-enable-flag will indicate that chip will resume charging once it hits the (amazingly even hardcoded) discharge threshold16:35
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xeshmm.... i have a little collection of a few versions of that script.. Could someone point me to the latest one?16:36
infoboti heard bq27k-detail is
kerioi should probably make work without the sysnode too16:37
DocScrutinizer05next to it is my version of bq27200.sh16:37
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: you probably should include a timer that does "kill $$" when that library is called faster than every 1.0 seconds16:39
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keriobut... i2cget lets me do it!16:40
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DocScrutinizer05xes: my reflow station finally arrived :-D17:04
xesDocScrutinizer05: :-) Nice to hear this!17:05
xesDocScrutinizer05: first impression?17:05
DocScrutinizer05of course with a powercord that doesn't fit into EU outlets, and two adapeter plugs that don't fit to the powercord ;-P17:05
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xes..powercord...details ;-)17:07
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DocScrutinizer05apart from that, it seems a pretty nice device (though it started emitting smoke for a minute or so when I cranked it up to 450°C)17:07
DocScrutinizer05If I was a anxious character, this would've scared me17:08
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xesyep. First start needs to burn all the oil that protects the metal17:10
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DocScrutinizer05the nozzles are a bit flimsy17:12
DocScrutinizer05particularly the bayonet lock17:12
DocScrutinizer05but all in all a bargain for sure17:13
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DocScrutinizer05can't wait to find a SMD PCB to torture ;-)17:13
xesmy first operation was to torture the latest hard drive that loosed my data...  :-D17:14
xesdo you have some hard drive to burn? ;-)17:15
xesat the end the pcb was completely empty. Then i started soldereding again some ic. A good training17:16
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DocScrutinizer05I'm planning something similar, but I have no defect HDD that I could spare for this17:17
DocScrutinizer05I will find some other crap electronics for that pupose ;-D17:18
ShadowJKWhere did you get this from?17:18
DocScrutinizer05duh, I think I have some broken mice that I kept for spare parts :-D17:18
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DocScrutinizer05I picked a seller with "location of goods: <Germany>" and then it turned out it's a german executive of a chinese seller, and that chinese seller told me they couldn't get the ATTEN858 "due to manufacturer claimed quality problems", and offered me a) another device for only 25EUR up; b) transfer back my paypal payment; c) wait a week until they sourced form elsewhere and sent the bulk shipment to Germany. I opted for c)17:27
DocScrutinizer05one real complaint: the cable from station to tool is unbearable. I might eventually replace it with a flexible one, maybe even silicon isolation cable17:31
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DocScrutinizer05now I just wonder what nonsense I could do with that tool ;-D - maybe prepare some popcorn in a tin?17:32
DocScrutinizer05or finally prepare my steak EE style? Fry the surface of the frozen steak with 450°C hot air, then gently heat it up in microwave til it has 58°C core temperature17:34
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Drathirwhat mean burn hdd?17:38
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: 25€ looks big...17:40
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: burn hdd -> unsolder all chips with ATTEN85817:48
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: for 25EUR up they'd offer me a station mit hot air and soldering iron, but no digital temperature control - not exactly what I wanted or needed. I got a decent high quality soldering station already17:49
ShadowJKFor someone like me who is hopeless at soldering, temperature controlled iron is absolute must ;)17:50
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DocScrutinizer05proper electronic acid free flux is even more18:00
DocScrutinizer05the most difficult detail in soldering? keep the two parts *absolutely* steady while solder cools down and "freezes"18:01
DocScrutinizer05much the same as for epoxy glue18:01
DocScrutinizer05just way more sensitive18:02
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ShadowJKnot as big an issue with tht and ptp ;-)18:10
ShadowJK60/40 is still allowed for hobbyists luckily18:10
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DocScrutinizer05tht? ptp?18:22
DocScrutinizer0560/40 sure, *never* use Pb-free solder!18:23
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: also use a high quality solder wire with noclean flux core of good quality18:32
DocScrutinizer05cheap noname solder wire is unbearable in that regard18:33
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DocScrutinizer05you most likely want to get additional flux for more delicate rework: for example18:36
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DocScrutinizer05I use edsyn FL88, quite convenient pen to apply flux18:39
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ShadowJKthrough-hole-tech and point-to-point ;-)18:57
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* wiki VM "down"18:57
DocScrutinizer05what's point-to-point ?18:58
ShadowJKno pcb, component soldered to eachother18:58
DocScrutinizer05the classical method, used in valve radios ;-D18:59
DocScrutinizer05at least in very old ones18:59
ShadowJKSome TVs too19:01
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: ping19:30
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DocScrutinizer05[general notice] repo is down due to VIF XEN bug. we need to reboot blade-a eventually20:55
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MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05: But, what will I do without package updates for a few hours? How will I live?21:01
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, pong?21:43
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: we need a report in next MWKN21:43
Macerargh. sorry.21:46
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: please don't get accustomed to that21:48
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MentalistTraceurHuh, I didn't know the IRC allowed for social security / medicare tax payment exemptions.21:50
Maceri pasted that in teh wrong window21:50
MacerMentalistTraceur: it probably does ;)21:50
Macerstart the churck of IRC heh21:50
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: (pasted to wrong window) second time in a row21:55
DocScrutinizer05if your contributions stay at that level, it may earn you some restrictions in this chan21:56
DocScrutinizer05since two similar "oops" in sequence smell like intentional spamming21:57
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MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05: To be fair it's unlikely that intentional spamming would involve links to official US govm't tax forms. :)22:00
DocScrutinizer05I'm not checking unsolicited random URLs posted in IRC, *ever*22:01
MentalistTraceurFair enough. But just fyi is United States' Internal Revenue Service's official government website.22:02
DocScrutinizer05I rather stick to the rule of thumb that any URL posted without either additional context on what it's meant for, or a clear reference in URL itself that gives a clue in fact already *is* spam22:02
DocScrutinizer05the "oops" and "argh. sorry. " in direct context to the URLs posted invalidated them for any checking whatsoever22:04
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: 2nd time in a row?22:09
MentalistTraceur*Shrug* My only point is that I think the label spam does not apply to accidental mistakes, and if you're going to label all such posts spam, especially without consideration of the URL involved (not necessarily open the URL, but consider what it looks like), then you're likely to punish people for innocent mistakes with measures that should be reserved for the intentionally spamming.22:09
MacerDocScrutinizer05: i'd hop that the "oops" and "argh" did stop people from checking22:11
Macerthe point being that it was accidently posted... i would think that knockoff viagra would be a more obvious spam ;)22:11
Macerspeaking of which.... DocScrutinizer05 when you guys were moving your gear over you had a page that showed the people taht were helping you do it with the letters... i was wondering if you had that address again22:12
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, relax, man.22:14
DocScrutinizer05I'm completely relaxed22:14
DocScrutinizer05Macer: please rephrase, I dunno what page or letters or whataver you're talking about22:15
Maceroh. when you were doing the move of and it had the information about the move like the company hosting it etc22:16
DocScrutinizer05 ??22:16
Macerawesome thanks22:17
Macerwas the ownership of ever determined?22:18
DocScrutinizer05right now Nokia owns it still22:18
DocScrutinizer05since HiFo seems unable to sign the contract22:18
MentalistTraceurWhenever HiFo Board gets around to holding a meeting, they can finally say "we officially approve this transfer contract".22:19
Maceroh :-/22:19
MentalistTraceurBureaucracy at its finest.22:19
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DocScrutinizer05or some particular member can come up with further "we need to discuss this" concerns22:20
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Macerthis e7 cam sucks and my n900 is charging :-/22:33
Maceri need to take a close photo22:33
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RiDhello. I have a question - Has anyone successfully used a Logitech keyboard and mouse on the n900, by plugging in the unifying little thing with hostmode?23:59
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RiD | Android seems to support it natively23:59
RiDso i guess there's no need for special drivers and all that?23:59

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