IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-03-03

Paliand when detect it is loaded it sleep in select/poll for changes00:00
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XATRIXGuys, is it possible to make my device to be very responsible while it should detect the idle(when i don't directly use it) state and turn itself to low power-consumption mode ?00:01
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: maemo *always* enters low power mode when not used00:02
DocScrutinizer05even for sub-second durations of "idle"00:02
ShadowJKIn some cases, it can enter low power idle even with screen on00:03
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: it's not like your usual desktop linux that needs hibernate or suspend to save energy00:03
XATRIXscaling_governor ?00:04
kerioas long as your background processes are written correctly00:04
DocScrutinizer05among others, yes00:04
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: though mostly zero-clock and general smartreflex design00:04
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: the idea is OMAP SoC shutting down every subsystem all the time during idle00:05
DocScrutinizer05even CPU00:05
XATRIXbut smartreflxex is only possible with pk00:05
XATRIXisn't it ?00:05
kerionot necessarily, the governor does something very, very similar00:05
DocScrutinizer05smartreflex is more than just hardware CPU clock adjustment00:06
XATRIXnever saw my system was shut down completly...00:06
XATRIXevery time my cpu is doing something00:06
DocScrutinizer05actually maemo doesn't use the CPU clock function of SR00:06
keriothe point is that it doesn't need to shut down to make the cpu idle00:06
XATRIXit doesn't even clock-down to 250 at least 10% of a time00:06
kerioXATRIX: yeah, you've done something really wrong00:06
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: each time you "look" your system is *actually* doing something00:07
SpeedEvillook at power top00:07
DocScrutinizer05only way00:07
SpeedEvilit should stay idle for several seconds at a time00:07
infobotrumour has it, power is
SpeedEvil3.5s is tpyoically piowsiblle00:07
kerio C4 |  85.4% | 1025.8ms00:08
kerioand now i feel disappointed00:08
XATRIXkerio: yep! :)00:08
keriowtf is that shit00:08
XATRIXIt's my bme :)00:09
keriono way you're pulling 5A from the battery00:09
XATRIXWanna connect via ssh ;)00:10
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: that looks pretty normal to me00:10
kerioDocScrutinizer05: wat00:10
DocScrutinizer05that's definitely bogus00:11
XATRIXit means it charges up to 5A :)00:11
XATRIXI have charger applied00:11
XATRIXEven my car 65A battery can't charge up with 5A :)))) (joke)00:11
DocScrutinizer05meh, you probbaly have bme-replacement or bq27200.ko module loaded00:12
XATRIXdon't know :(00:12
XATRIXno module loaded00:12
DocScrutinizer05or dunno what else your code you ran to get that output is doing00:12
ZaercXATRIX: my 8Ah bicycle battery can ;)00:12
XATRIXZaerc: you're killing it ;)00:13
Zaercno, it's LiPo, it can handle much more then that00:13
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: add "set +v" at top of that script you run to get
keriowhat's that script anyway00:13
DocScrutinizer05I guess sth from
XATRIXem...what should i do ?00:14
DocScrutinizer05tell us what "software" you used to get
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: meh00:15
DocScrutinizer05I didn't say "use powerstta +v"00:15
DocScrutinizer05if [[ -e /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/current_now ]]00:16
DocScrutinizer05checks if bq27200.ko is loaded00:16
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DocScrutinizer05and if so, it's using it00:16
XATRIXNokia-N900:~# lsmod | grep bq2720000:16
keriokp51's bq27x00_battery is fubar00:17
DocScrutinizer05do "lsmod|grep bq"00:17
keriothere's never been such thing as "bq27200.ko"00:17
XATRIXbq27x00_battery         6480  000:17
XATRIXpower_supply            6916  1 bq27x00_battery00:17
DocScrutinizer05that's even full bme-replacement, as far as kernel is involved00:18
kerioif it's not a problem, reflash and don't install shit you don't understand the purpose of00:18
DocScrutinizer05you isntalled bme replacement00:18
kerioDocScrutinizer05: not quite, it's missing bq24150x_charger00:18
kerioand rx51_battery00:18
keriome neither \_o_/00:18
kerioXATRIX: wtf bro00:18
DocScrutinizer05anyway both modules are suspicious to say the least00:18
DocScrutinizer05bq27x00.ko should be blacklisted in normal KP00:19
XATRIXI thought it should give me some extra batter life :(00:19
DocScrutinizer05since it borks bme00:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's never, ever, ever, ever, ever automatically loaded00:19
XATRIXbut it just fucked things up :(00:20
kerioyou can blacklist a module when there's something that loads modules automatically00:20
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: I told you NOT to install anything you think might improve your battery life - since it won't00:20
XATRIXYep... But i did it before you actually told me about00:20
DocScrutinizer05so you know by now00:21
DocScrutinizer05and that's also the explanation for your bogus readout of 5A charging00:21
DocScrutinizer05and of flawed charging00:21
kerioafaik the latest bme replacement packages depend on kp5200:21
kerioand for a good reason00:21
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: and for flawed charging00:21
keriokp51's bq27k module reports wrong values00:22
teotwakiIt's probably stealing those values illegally.00:22
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: didn't you say you had reflashed? or were about to do?00:22
XATRIXWhere can i find an image to flash that doesn't actually eats 8G for partition ?00:22
kerioteotwaki: i chuckled00:22
XATRIXI'm going to reflash it tonight... Actually now00:22
XATRIXI'm just getting prepared00:23
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: sorry? 8GB partition??00:23
kerio binary/firmware/ has the fiascos00:23
XATRIXYea, the default image i can flash cuts over 8G for things00:23
XATRIXSo you have 32-8G00:23
kerioXATRIX: no it doesn't00:23
kerioi'm not entirely sure of what you're smoking00:24
keriobut it must be good00:24
XATRIXAnd there i saw an image with reduced /home or whatever that eats 32-2G00:24
DocScrutinizer05that's normal00:24
DocScrutinizer05maybe you patched your fiasco image like suggested in00:25
infobotjrtools is probably
DocScrutinizer05and forgot about it?00:25
XATRIXNope.. i didn't00:25
DocScrutinizer05then I'd like to second kerio on his question00:26
DocScrutinizer05rather statement00:26
DocScrutinizer05 /dev/mmcblk0p1         28G   16G   12G  58% /home/user/MyDocs00:27
DocScrutinizer05 /dev/mmcblk0p2        2,0G  846M  1,1G  45% /home00:28
XATRIXwhat is the most recent one firmware ?00:28
DocScrutinizer05PR1.3 aka 36 iirc00:28
infobotskeiron is probably the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
DocScrutinizer05PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N90000:30
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DocScrutinizer05md5sum: b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784  RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin00:32
kerioMD5 (combined-pr13.fiasco) = b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c178400:34
kerioMD5 (vanilla-pr13.fiasco) = 488809ff96a0a05479d692e9f77aeb4f00:34
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DocScrutinizer05flashdat, profit00:38
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DocScrutinizer05do NOT install "1337 stuff" that promises to improve battery life or device speed00:38
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: since your knowledge you base those assumptions on is obviously not sufficient, regarding how maemo / OMAP works00:39
XATRIXyea :(00:40
kerioDocScrutinizer05: that's a partitioning for noobs!00:41
DocScrutinizer05maemo pure is really fine, until you start spoiling it with such stuff00:41
DocScrutinizer05kerio: that's the partitioning of stock maemo00:41
DocScrutinizer05you suppose Nokia's maemo devels were noobs?00:42
kerioyep :P00:42
kerionot really noobs, just deeply misguided by the marketing department00:42
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XATRIXmeego dialer works well\00:47
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DocScrutinizer05well, who misguided *you* then, to not even have swap on internal storage?00:47
DocScrutinizer05meh, meego dialer00:48
DocScrutinizer05how's that relevant?00:48
DocScrutinizer05also oh yeah, I see how great and responsive it acts on pressing any button, during first 30s00:49
Macer need my Tmobile Sim to show up already so I can cancel att00:52
Macerprepaid ftw00:52
Macere7 works great.. i should see about trying to fix my n90000:53
Macermaybe open it and tighten the screws lol00:53
DocScrutinizer05no screws inside00:53
Macerafter shoving a penny between whatever is broken00:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: swap on emmc is a waste of space :P00:54
Macerbut the e7 is awesome minus no more symbian :(00:54
Macersymbian was really becoming awesome when they dropped it00:54
Macerthen again00:55
Macerso was maemo00:55
Macerso was meego00:55
Macernokia is foolish lol00:55
Macerwonder if their ms phones are dominating the market now00:55
DocScrutinizer05no worries, according to this scheme they will stick with winphone forever00:55
Maceri know my lumia 900 still doesnt have a 7.8 update00:56
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Macerafter it was supposed to have been released months ago00:56
Macerthey already paid someone to take symbian for maintenance00:56
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Macerwhatever that means00:56
Macersomeone should decompile symbian and put it on tpb heh00:57
Maceror unlock the e7 so i can put maemo on it :)00:57
Macere7 was built better00:57
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Macerhow can china make better qa products than finland and korea?00:58
Macercan't believe I didn't have 1 but 2 break from different countries00:59
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Macerthere are only a few things that make symbian sucj which would probably take 1 day to fix01:01
Macerno statusbar notification for new email01:01
Macerno tabbed ssh app01:01
Macerand no telepathy :(01:01
Maceri loved n900 IM/txting01:01
Macertelepathy was absolutely awesome01:01
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XATRIXI wonder if the swap speed is equal to memory speed ?01:03
XATRIXIt's located also on NAND01:03
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: no. swap is located on eMMC while memory is RAM and located somewhere on the OMAP3430 SoC's PoP chip01:06
DocScrutinizer05sorry, your questions are all a bit strange01:08
DocScrutinizer05ARM7 is a CPU core basically, while OMAP is a series of SoC built by TI01:08
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DocScrutinizer05so how to answer queations that sound like01:09
DocScrutinizer05Intel-X86 != Acer?01:10
XATRIXMaybe i missunderstand the difference01:10
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XATRIXActually i thought that arm,omap,sparc,x86 are all the different archs01:11
DocScrutinizer05OMAP is a SoC that has an ARM CPU core among other things01:11
DocScrutinizer05so no, omap is an arm architecture01:11
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# uname -a01:12
DocScrutinizer05Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux01:12
DocScrutinizer05>>The OMAP3430 is the first applications processor in the industry to integrate the ARM® Cortex™-A8 superscalar microprocessor core <<01:15
XATRIXSounds you're right01:15
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XATRIXcan i actually power my system up without battery in ?01:21
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XATRIXalso i found a new batter for my device :) KEVA 1700mAh :)01:25
kerioyeah right01:25
keriowell, vi____ has a 1600mAh one01:26
XATRIXit's new, so it's gonna to have energy as long as hell :)01:26
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: nope, powering up without battery (or other special equipment) isn't possible01:26
XATRIXmy acer netbook can be powered up while the batt is out01:26
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DocScrutinizer05some of my freerunners can be powered up while battery is out01:30
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DocScrutinizer05the N900 has a bq24150 charger chip. Frerunner has PCF50633 PMU chip01:34
DocScrutinizer05dunno what acer is using, but I'm sure it has a more sophisticated power distribution01:34
XATRIXah . ok01:37
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XATRIXis it correct if i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade after i flash it ?01:38
DocScrutinizer05apt-get dist-upgrade is absolutely forbidden01:38
DocScrutinizer05upgrade also is deprecated01:38
DocScrutinizer05maemo has a very special way to handle upgrade packages and dependencies01:39
XATRIXso i don't have to install even any toolchain thigs to ?01:39
DocScrutinizer05what for?01:39
XATRIXgrep,find,fdisk,cp,mv... ?01:40
keriowhy the hell would you have to install cp01:41
DocScrutinizer05depends, most of them come with busybox already01:42
Zaercaren't some of those available in the tools repo?01:42
DocScrutinizer05find/locate is an own package that is better than the busybox crippled stuff, you can install it, see01:42
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is
XATRIXok, will try to find it out01:44
XATRIXso, as i assume NO apt-get completely ?01:44
Zaercunless you enjoy reflashing... ;)01:45
XATRIXalso, do i have to strictly charge my batt to 100% or i can start flashing with >~60-70% ?01:47
XATRIXOr it does measures batt levels during reflash ?01:47
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Zaercwhy is everyone so obsessed about the battery?01:53
XATRIXI'd like to use it more effeciently01:54
ccxCZ0xFFFF fails to find my n900 when I use it from my laptop01:54
ccxCZfrom my desktop it worked01:55
XATRIXok...see you tomorrow guys. gotta go now01:55
ZaercXATRIX: and look at the results ;>01:55
XATRIXsleep well!01:55
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shawnjeffersonquick question: in the repos what's the difference between fremantle and fremantle-1.3?01:58
DocScrutinizer05ATM nothing afaik01:58
DocScrutinizer05it got introduced when we had versioning issues with fremantle1.201:59
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shawnjeffersonhmm' ok.  In a post on tmo, it was mentioned that one has hashsum errors and one doesn't in extra-devel, and that seems to be the case.02:00
DocScrutinizer05iirc one is a symlink to the other02:02
DocScrutinizer05or, if fremantle was actually a symlink to fremantle1.2, then it's outadted for 1.3 and shouldn't get used02:02
shawnjeffersonwell, i was able to install from one and not from the other via apt-get (pastebinit). But a symlink makes sense...02:03
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DocScrutinizer05I could check on VM but ...02:04
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DocScrutinizer05...but I'm too lazy02:05
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shawnjeffersonmaybe I installed an old version of pastebinit then? 1.3-2maemo1 is what I have.02:06
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache policy pastebinit02:08
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: 1.3-2maemo102:08
DocScrutinizer05I don't think it's from extras though02:08
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shawnjeffersonIt was/is extra-devel that has hashsum errors isn't it?02:33
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DocScrutinizer05I'm more concerned why merlin1991 doesn't already fix those hashsum errors02:48
DocScrutinizer05I'd hate to have to do it myself02:48
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hanninghi, is there a way to run xbmc on maemo?03:25
ZaercI have tried under easy-debian, no luck so far03:31
ZaercI need to do more research into this openGL-ES thingy03:32
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Zaercso it was a bit of an half-assed attempt03:34
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hanningxbmc is available for ARM, and is already running on the beagleboard (which got tha same hardware?)03:35
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Zaercyeah I think it's possible03:36
hanningtherefore i expected to find a deb quite easily :(03:36
Zaerc*I* just haven't figured out how yet, others may have03:36
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Zaercjust wondering04:17
Zaercis there any information on what sets the SDK apart form a regular arm-toolchain?04:17
DocScrutinizer05maybe the qemu?04:20
DocScrutinizer05maybe scratchbox?04:20
DocScrutinizer05define "regular arm toolchain"04:20
Zaercwell I was thinking more along the lines of specially patched libraries and tools and such04:20
ZaercI mean I can just run an armel system under qemu04:21
Zaercand then use the build environment there04:22
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Zaercbut that won't have all the antiquated versions and patches04:22
Zaerc(am I making any sense?)04:22
Zaerchmm, maybe if I used the old "lenny" and then added the sdk repos04:24
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DocScrutinizer05I think there's not much special in every part of the SDK04:30
ZaercI'll just give it a try for the heck of it04:31
DocScrutinizer05and actually some guys have managed to comile/build natively on N900, under an easydeb chroot for sufficient free space in filesystem.04:31
DocScrutinizer05also there's madde, which works somewhat different, maybe you want to check this as well04:32
ZaercI'm on a bit of an adventure to see if I can get a newer version of pulseaudio to build04:32
Zaercyeah easydeb kicks ass04:32
DocScrutinizer05re PA I think others tried that and ran into conflicts04:33
ZaercI got the raspberry pi image to work under there04:33
Zaercyeah so far it looks like it will be quite a pain to get it done04:34
* Zaerc likes puzzles04:35
DocScrutinizer05seems in the end you'll find one part is not matching, for the PA puzzle04:36
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Zaercyeah that is not uncommon, and I figured if it was easy someon would have done it already04:38
DocScrutinizer05there are closed blobs plugins for PA, which *might* not work with newer versions of PA04:39
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Zaercah, that is good to know04:39
ZaercI wasn't expecting to succeed anyway04:39
Zaercit's more a bit of an excercize04:40
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i think that the on-device toolchain is not inside easydeb, it's inside a maemo sdk chroot jail10:30
ZaercI agree, but I don't think that's what he meant to say10:32
Zaercat least, that's not how I understood it10:32
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XATRIXHi, any idea how can i toggle progress dots to kernel loading screen ?11:42
XATRIXdmesg messages with tux on the screen11:42
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HurrianXATRIX: fbcon11:54
XATRIXok, but can i change it with simply disabling 'quiet'kernel param in a bootloader section ?11:55
HurrianNope, SGX driver doesn't play with console.11:55
HurrianYou'll need to load fbcon first, then once booting is done, unload it and start Xserver11:55
XATRIXalso, i'm gonna test NITdroid an later reflash to maemo )11:58
XATRIXjust wanna see how it is11:59
HurrianSave yourself the trouble, NITDroid at this point is ass.12:00
HurrianUnless you really need an Android device.12:00
XATRIXIt doesn't support voice calls12:01
XATRIXso i just simply want to see how it looks likes by myself12:01
HurrianIt's AOSP Android, except that it's quite slow.12:02
HurrianWell, not as slow as the SDK emulator, but slower than a cheap ARMv6 Android with 512MB RAM.12:02
HurrianAndroid Open Source Project. Vanilla Android.12:03
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XATRIXAlso is it possible to change I/O sheduller to 'noop' ?12:21
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XATRIXHurrian: crap, i found the thing i want to use, it's not a fbcon , it's u-boot12:45
HurrianXATRIX: Just flash Pali's package and set up kernel-power for u-boot.12:46
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XATRIXwait, i'm currently experimenting with nitdroid.12:46
XATRIXjust for test12:46
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XATRIXdamn, i've placed a new file in /boot/bootmenu.d but it still loads up my initial kenrnel12:52
Palidid you called u-boot-update-bootmenu ?12:53
XATRIXmaybe it's better to remove initial bootmenu.d record and leave only android one ?12:56
XATRIXnow i changed it with:12:57
XATRIXbefore it was 20-Mae.. 50-cm90..12:57
XATRIXStill no go12:57
Paliand which menu entires did you see in uboot?12:57
XATRIXactually nothing... it doesn't even ask me for something12:58
Paliopen keyboard12:58
XATRIXjust boots a starnard kernel12:58
Paliwith closed keyboard default entry is booted12:58
XATRIXcool way12:58
Palidefault entry is attached kernel or entry configured in /etc/default/bootmenu.item (as symlink)12:59
Pali$ ln -sf /etc/bootmenu.d/<entry> /etc/default/bootmenu.item13:00
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XATRIXi love this device13:02
Palihm, somebody interesting in writing WIKI page about uboot for n900?13:03
XATRIXnope... i'm still very novice too it...maybe later i will do it13:04
Palistill lot of people do not know and cannot find info how to configure uboot...13:04
PaliI do not have time for it...13:04
kerioPali: there's no uboot env saved anywhere, right?13:04
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XATRIXwhen i will be much experienced13:04
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Palikerio, right13:04
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Palienv is hardcoded into uboot binary and some parts are loaded from bootmenu.scr13:05
keriowell, some parts are set by bootmenu.scr13:05
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Paliwe do not have mtd partition for uboot env13:06
Paliand also onenand uboot code not working on n90013:07
Paliso no way for permanent env storage13:07
Paliand I'm against repartition nand memory for uboot...13:07
XATRIXandroid is slow as hell13:08
XATRIXit actually does the call. but i couldn't download tiny alsa from google. it told me file is infected13:09
kerioPali: fwiw we could use initfs, but meh13:09
keriostored uboot env is a pain in the ass to deal with anyway13:09
Palikerio, hm, possible, but nand is not working...13:09
Palibut why you need permanent storage?13:10
Palidynamic bootmenu working13:10
Paliand uboot for n900 is there only for booting other OS13:11
Paliand dynamic bootmenu is enought13:11
XATRIXcrap , it's very slow (13:12
XATRIXand my handset is very hot O_O13:12
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XATRIX:) what ?13:13
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Vrm1Pali: How do I downgrade from 2.6.28-10power52 a step back to 51R1?13:14
kerioVrm1: install the KP51 packages13:14
keriobut... why?13:15
ZaercXATRIX: ah you've discovered the andriod hand-warmer feature ;)13:15
XATRIXin a winter-time i would think it's advantage ;)13:16
DocScrutinizer05yeah, plutonium battery for android comes next year13:16
XATRIXis it using the CPU up to 100% constantly ?13:16
DocScrutinizer05nfc, if I want an android device, I probably get a samsung13:17
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, I thought it would be made of something more exotic, such as tritium.13:18
XATRIXsamsung has better hw against nokia /13:18
DocScrutinizer05and even ships with android pre-installed13:18
HurrianXATRIX: Against the Lumia series, yes, as they're simply Compal WP8 devices with a Lankku shell.13:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: nexus 413:19
kerioridiculously cheaper13:19
XATRIXi thought n900 has quite good perfromance :)13:20
XATRIXjust a 'calc-power'13:20
XATRIXshit, it's really hot O_O , i suppose EE guys implement some of T-fuses in...13:21
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DocScrutinizer05no, you can actually fry the N900, and I guess some android testers did13:23
XATRIXhow can i reset the device ?13:23
XATRIXwithout batt unplug ?13:23
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: any idea ?13:24
DocScrutinizer05press powerbutton for 10s13:24
DocScrutinizer05if you're lucky, it shuts down hard13:24
XATRIX10 ?13:25
DocScrutinizer05or 15, whocares?13:26
XATRIXi do )13:27
XATRIXi need reboot13:28
DocScrutinizer05are you in an extreme hurry or what?13:28
XATRIXi simply can't reset it\13:29
XATRIXdon't wanna open backplate to reset13:29
DocScrutinizer05I could tell you "hold powerbutton pressed for one minute" but that would feel a bit tong in cheek13:29
XATRIXseems like the power button doesn't work in android O_O13:29
XATRIXit's not hardpower button13:29
DocScrutinizer05it is, kinda13:30
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DocScrutinizer05alas you need to define what it does, by configuring the twl403013:31
DocScrutinizer05one mode is "shutdown hard after 8s powerbutton engaged"13:32
DocScrutinizer05unless OS/kernel intercepted and reset the timer for those 8s13:32
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DocScrutinizer05so if the android dudes decided they always reset timer of powerbutton once every second, you won't see it shutdown ever via powerbutton13:33
XATRIXok i've found how to reboot it13:34
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XATRIXSounds good, but i'd like to reflash it to standard maemo, + possiblity to load android13:35
XATRIXgot to go. will be here in a few hours13:35
DocScrutinizer05err what was it?13:36
keriowhy is nitdroid-installer anywhere near rmo, btw?13:36
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!13:39
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* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass13:39
sixwheeledbeastthat's better :)13:39
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infobotmethinks nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco.13:41
infobotit has been said that maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED13:41
DocScrutinizer05didn't think we'd need this anymore nowadays13:43
DocScrutinizer05but every once in a while, somebody thinks N900 and android was sth worth giving a try13:44
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DocScrutinizer05I *completely* fail on getting their rationale regarding that13:44
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: its the spirit of adventure ;) To explore the N900's various possibilities13:45
DocScrutinizer05I have a few suggestions for very innovative and interesting possibilities in N900, involving a hammer and a 9 inch nail13:46
DocScrutinizer05result is at least as useful as nitdroid13:46
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DocScrutinizer05just if you wonder: teh above URL is actually 404 Not Found13:48
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: its
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DocScrutinizer05android has qualities to become for me on embedded what windows is for me on PCs: a "never touch it" item13:53
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DocScrutinizer05it's a pitiful waste of time and manpower of developers to port android to devices that were neither meant for it nor do support it particularly good13:55
DocScrutinizer05particularly if such device already has a decent OS13:59
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thedead1440you want to jump at lazy writing? read:
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SpeedEvilbeing able to run android apps is interesting. but on a platform with oinlt 256m, ...14:00
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DocScrutinizer05all the games and multimedia apps for android won't run on nitdroid anyway, so the only usecase I could figure is: let me just shut down maemo and boot to nitdroid to check that public transportation app14:01
DocScrutinizer05I don't think you'll have much fun with such approach, probably you'll miss your bus ;-P14:02
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Zaercat least your hand won't get cold while you wait for the next one ;)14:02
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keriothedead1440: the verge is just a more pretentious engadget14:14
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thedead1440kerio: indeed; both equally suck14:15
Vrm1kerio: I got the impression from the 2.6.28-10power51 has less error output when switching to a different driver bleending soft, they need a injection rate limits14:16
kerioPali: was there a change in the wl12xx drivers?14:16
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Palino, nothing14:17
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ShadowJKhm, so, the erase block size might be 6M, 8M, 12M, 16M or 24M.. but they still partition with 4M alignment.. i wonder if there's some trickery involved14:37
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amospallais still the use of skeiron mirror needed?14:42
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DocScrutinizer05depends for what14:43
DocScrutinizer05mirror no14:43
amospallaI mean, I've got no new packages on my n900 for 3 months14:44
DocScrutinizer05original repo "works", if you get hashsum errors, mirror is supposed to be free of that14:44
amospallaI have original repos14:44
amospallashouldn't the package manager show me upgrades/new packages ?14:45
DocScrutinizer05there are none14:45
DocScrutinizer05simple as that14:45
amospallaneither for cssu? I thought some upgrades were pushed14:45
amospallabut well, now I see why I had no movement on packages14:46
amospallado hashsum errors make something not work?14:46
DocScrutinizer05for cssu merlin missed to make sure updates got migrated to new infra14:46
amospallaI mean, should I worry about it?14:47
DocScrutinizer05and he hasn't updated original rmo repo yet14:47
DocScrutinizer05no, probably you shouldn't worry too much14:47
amospallaDocScrutinizer05: oh thanks, that explains me it all, so I just should act as normally did14:47
DocScrutinizer05we're still about to fix stuff that got messed up during infra migration (and before)14:48
DocScrutinizer05eventually we'll catch up (I hope)14:48
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: right? ;-)14:49
DocScrutinizer05amospalla: amyway you nevertheless are free to use skeiron mirror since it has the latest cssu updates since a few days now14:59
DocScrutinizer05I'd hope for merlin1991 syncing the original maemo rmo today, but it seems he's MIA15:01
DocScrutinizer05~seen merlin199115:01
amospallaI've been without updating 3 months, I can wait a bit more ^^15:01
infobotmerlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu, last said: 'damn I know not a single thing about mysql performance check, I'm sure there is some query to list the last few expensive querys to start the investigation'.15:01
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: wait, i thought that cssu-testing 7.2 was the one with the fix for turktrust15:07
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kerioamospalla: community-testing.merlin1991.at15:10
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amospallathanks kerio15:16
kerionote that you also need extras-testing or extras-devel enabled to install the latest cssu-testing15:17
kerioand the only 100% working extras-devel mirror is extras-devel.merlin1991.at15:17
XATRIXok, i'm back15:19
keriooh joy15:20
XATRIXSo, reflashing my device... I have to start with eMMC then rootfs right ?15:21
XATRIXand if i wanna use u-boot i have to install it after i reflash device15:22
XATRIXIs it correct ?15:22
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Zaercbetter check the wiki page to be sure15:22
XATRIXyea, sounds if15:23
XATRIXcan anyone tell me
XATRIXis the  -x, --xloader=ARG           Location of X-Loader image corresponds to bootload15:26
XATRIXcan i tell it u-boot location ?15:26
keriono, u-boot is loaded as a kernel, by NOLO15:26
XATRIXso, i should install it later on ?15:27
DocScrutinizer05kerio: it's synced to skeiron15:28
XATRIXAlso, flasher-3.5 support --flash and --load options15:29
XATRIXCan i simply load the firmware into memory before the actual flashing15:29
XATRIXOr i missunderatnd the meaming15:29
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: who told you to mess with --xloader=ARG  parameter?15:30
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: i did :)15:30
XATRIXI thought it would be nice to install u-boot at the beginning :)15:30
DocScrutinizer05then I have an advice for you: stop thinking15:31
DocScrutinizer05rather read instructions15:31
XATRIXthat's not the advice i would like to be told :)15:31
DocScrutinizer05you obviously have insufficient information for thinking to make any sense15:32
DocScrutinizer05so 1) learn 2) learn more ...n) start "thinking"15:32
XATRIXI'm trying to ;) didn't you noticed15:32
DocScrutinizer05k, then here are some facts about uboot:15:33
XATRIXwhich are ?15:33
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DocScrutinizer05it's getting loaded by NOLO bootloader, just like normal maemo kernel would be, form exactly same partition kernel lives in15:34
DocScrutinizer05in that sense uboot is a part of kernel rather than a part of bootloader15:34
DocScrutinizer05and actually usual uboot ships with attached stock maemo kernel15:34
DocScrutinizer05they both share one NAND partition15:35
XATRIXI'd like to make it as : 1) maemo stock 2) pk 3) android15:35
XATRIXIs it ok ?15:35
DocScrutinizer05so *if* you'd want to flash uboot with flasher, you'd need to flash  *kernel* with the uboot image15:35
DocScrutinizer05but actually uboot never gets flashed by flasher, it gets installed and flashed *onboard*15:36
XATRIXWait a bit15:36
XATRIXAs you told me i have to use --kernel arg to flash u-boot ?15:37
XATRIXIf i decide to flash it first15:37
DocScrutinizer05and don't ask me about android please. I don't think it makes any sense and thus I never installed it and can't help. We just seen more than enough dispaired lusers here who couldn't get to boot their device after installing android15:38
DocScrutinizer05and no, I told you nobody ever does that15:39
XATRIXAlso, what does mean Cold flash ? Can't find any info about.15:39
DocScrutinizer05[2013-03-03 14:36:31] <DocScrutinizer05> but actually uboot never gets flashed by flasher, it gets installed and flashed *onboard*15:39
DocScrutinizer05you don't need info about that15:39
XATRIXSo, what is it ?15:40
XATRIXI wanna know15:40
DocScrutinizer05it's the last resort15:40
XATRIXWhen everything is screwed up ?15:40
XATRIXI could boot NITdroid from my handset as well15:40
DocScrutinizer05for guys like you who think using --xloader etc parameters for flasher was a brilliant idea15:40
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XATRIXI just ask before... I'm trying to act samrt enough15:41
DocScrutinizer05that's why you don't need to know about coldflashing15:42
XATRIXIf i ask something, i want to know it... that's why i ask15:43
XATRIXI'm not one of these iOS guys15:43
DocScrutinizer05there's pretty comprehensive instruction about everything 8probably even friggin nitdroid and multiboot install). Please read and follow and understand those. then come back for more in detail questions. Don't invent your own ueber-leete method of doing stuff15:44
SkryXATRIX: simple advice: don't do anything you don't understart, rather follow the instructions. If you really, really need to deviate from the instructions somehow, read and learn until you understand what you're going to do. If reading and learning did not help, and you still don't understand what you're about to do, just do as the instructions tell you and get over it.15:44
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infobotfrom memory, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED15:44
infobotfrom memory, nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco.15:44
Skryoh well, understand rather than understart :)15:45
DocScrutinizer05Skry: funny how our concurrent advices sounded similar15:45
XATRIXYes, guys. I'm acting as you actually described... I already did one reflash a few months ago, and now i just diggin more into detail of15:46
ShadowJKXATRIX; it's funny how when you're trying to learn more, people tell you to learn more ;)15:46
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: afaik nitdroid still doesn't work with uBoot15:46
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DocScrutinizer05if it actually does meanwhile, then stay away from multiboot15:47
DocScrutinizer05we got 3 different boot things: uboot, bootmenu, and multiboot. they are all acting totally different and usually incompatible with each other15:48
DocScrutinizer05uBoot considered safe and sane, bootmenu actually might not be what you think it is (it gets started *after* loading the standard kernel and starting init)15:49
DocScrutinizer05and multiboot is mere BS15:49
DocScrutinizer05or rather, a nifty but nasty hack15:49
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: just to give you a bit of brainfood info: yes, flasher can actually load images to RAM and execute them there, rather than flashing them to storage15:53
DocScrutinizer05rescueOS is using this approach iirc15:53
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DocScrutinizer05coldflashing is loading NOLO (bootloader that does all flashing) to RAM and executes it to flash NOLO on NAND15:54
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DocScrutinizer05since otherwise you couldn't flash anything when NOLO is defect15:55
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DocScrutinizer05but honestly I hardly ever heard of anybody ruining his NOLO and then needing to coldflash15:56
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DocScrutinizer05(except maybe of nandtester guy, wonder what became of him ;-D )15:56
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XATRIX here's the manual16:01
XATRIXhow to setup nitdorid with uboot16:01
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XATRIXi did it. i saw how it looks like :)16:01
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XATRIXnow, i'm going to use the right way :)16:01
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XATRIXso, coldflash is used in enemrgency situation16:02
DocScrutinizer05well, this is #maemo. For nitdroid please use that other channel16:02
XATRIXwhen the standard bootloader is screwed up16:02
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XATRIXno, i wasn't asking for support for nitdroid, i was shareing my experience about the uboot16:03
DocScrutinizer05when your device come up with a NOKIA screen and ENUM on your PC's syslog you don't ever want to use coldflashing16:03
XATRIXBut now, i'd like to find some info and experiment with running images from the RAM, without actuall writing it to the NAND16:04
XATRIXHm...sounds pretty interresting16:04
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XATRIXOne more question, is there anything encrypted on the handset ? Should there be any crypto-drivers or not ?16:06
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XATRIXI know linux firmware for the Intel IPW2200 wifi NIC was encrypted16:06
DocScrutinizer05basically no, nothing is encrypted on N90016:07
DocScrutinizer05by default16:08
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XATRIXAlso is it possible to run anything else on this SoC ?16:09
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XATRIXI mean there could be a Gentoo Linux built for ARM aech16:09
DocScrutinizer05iirc KP comes with cryptfs drivers and some few users have set up their system to have encrypted /home or even rootfs16:10
XATRIXBut it drastically decrease the performance of /home16:10
XATRIXCause it's a flash disk+crytpo engine16:10
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ShadowJKthere's one or two gentoo guys16:11
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Zaercmight be nice to encrypt the SD card I reckon16:11
Zaercas that is the most easily accessed16:12
XATRIXBut what for ?16:12
Zaercnosy people16:12
XATRIXunless you work in CIA :)16:13
Zaercno I don't work for the Cocaine Import Agency16:14
XATRIXYea :)16:16
XATRIXHm....rescueos has a drivers to charge the cell ?16:17
XATRIXI thought it should be hw ability16:18
XATRIXAnd shouldn't depend on software16:18
kerioyou need some control over bq24150a to charge16:18
XATRIXin other words, i have to 'tell' it to actuall charge the cell right ?16:19
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DocScrutinizer05NIN101 included my simple charger concept16:20
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: yes, you need to tell it to charge further than 3.6V16:21
DocScrutinizer05(or some other value I can't recall right now)16:21
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: not mia, for once actually enjoying a weekend outside of irc ;)16:22
XATRIXSo ,actually i can set the charge current by myself ? Or charging Vs ?16:22
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: yes16:22
DocScrutinizer05within limits and limitations16:22
XATRIXI'll write a script for a fast_charge, and a standard one :)16:22
DocScrutinizer05lol, already exists16:23
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues charge2116:23
infobotFactoid search of 'charge21' by value returned no results.16:23
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XATRIXSeems like i actually have to write a script :)16:24
DocScrutinizer05you should not mess with that stuff unless you learned a lot more16:25
XATRIXCan i charge more than 500mA ?16:25
XATRIXOh, now16:25
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: you should not mess with that stuff before you learned a lot more16:25
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XATRIXUSB provides exactly 50016:25
DocScrutinizer05fastcharger provides way more16:25
DocScrutinizer05and N900 can use up to iirc 1150mA from USB16:26
XATRIXBut how ? AC charger also provides the 500mA ouput16:26
XATRIXThen you have to use 2USBs to get 1A16:26
DocScrutinizer05Nokia AC10 provides up to 2A iirc16:26
XATRIXLike an old 2.5 HDD USB16:26
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Zaercmy charger says 1200mA on it16:28
kerioAC-10E, output DC 5.0V 1200mA16:29
XATRIXOh, rescueos has charge21.bash as well16:29
kerioXATRIX: notice that that charge21.bash script charges from the wallcharger16:30
kerioso it could damage a usb port16:30
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: I told you, didn't I?16:30
XATRIXThanks for the warning! That's really in time!16:30
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05 nope :)16:31
DocScrutinizer05[2013-03-03 15:20:59] <DocScrutinizer05> NIN101 included my simple charger concept16:31
kerioto be fair, a usb port that gets damaged like that is fucking stupid16:31
XATRIXI thought you were talking about different device :)(16:31
XATRIXOne more question. As it mentioned in rescueos readme, "flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"  Do i actually have to put " quote-symbol after -b ?16:32
kerioor before -b16:33
Zaercit goes with the one at the end16:33
XATRIXit doesn't :)16:33
XATRIXmaybe typo16:33
DocScrutinizer05what's your problem? -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"16:34
XATRIXYea, i was worry about the article goes without the trailing "16:34
XATRIXAlright, i'm gonna use this one line16:36
XATRIXC:\Program Files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -k 2.6.37 -n rescueOS-initrd-0.5.4.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"16:36
ShadowJKDefault maemo can charge battery at up to 950mA. The hw is capable of 1250. The datasheet for the battery recommends max 92416:36
XATRIXHope it works16:36
ZaercShadowJK: good to know thanks16:37
DocScrutinizer51thqt's Ibat though, not Iusb16:38
Zaercyeah, I'd like to stay within the specs for batteries16:39
Zaercthey usually live longer that way16:39
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kerioShadowJK: so... maemo damages the battery by default?16:40
ShadowJKIt's marginally biased towards charging faster ;)16:41
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DocScrutinizer51every charging damages battery16:41
Zaercgood point16:41
Zaerconly some ways of charging more then others16:42
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XATRIXSounds if i could load it with rescueos16:42
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XATRIXwow... NIC usb0 has an IP addr :))))))16:43
XATRIXnetwork via USB :)16:43
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XATRIXalso quite good performance of a framebuffer16:44
Zaercwhile we're on charging... can the battery be charged when using hostmode?16:45
XATRIXnope i think16:45
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XATRIXit's a actuve USB mode16:45
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DocScrutinizer51Zaerc: yes16:48
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DocScrutinizer51find my tmo post about it16:48
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DocScrutinizer51basically you yust need to kill booston and start bme16:49
Zaercand have a split cable, I reckon16:49
kerioZaerc: or tap "host mode while charging" in the usbmode ui :)16:49
kerioafter the connection is established16:50
kerioyeah, you need one of those Y-cables that are often given with 3g modems or portable hard drives16:50
Zaercwell I was thinking about modding a powered usb-hub16:50
DocScrutinizer51kerio: haha, I completely forgot16:51
kerioabout what?16:51
DocScrutinizer51about that addition in h-e-n16:51
kerioit's not in h-e-n, is it?16:51
DocScrutinizer51I don't know, I instructed moh how to do it16:53
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DocScrutinizer51I even designed booston (improved) to handle it16:56
Zaercummm... what's your forum name DocScrutinizer51?16:58
Zaercthat might narrow it down a bit16:58
Zaercah, thanks16:59
kerioDocScrutinizer51: would... hm, i still can't remember who, but is it twl? identify the charger as a usb host, and thus limit the charging at 500mA?17:02
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XATRIXI wonder when i see NOKIA on a white screen , it's a bootloader or a kernel loaded ?17:05
XATRIXnolo = nokia loader ?17:06
kerioXATRIX: yeah, it's the bootloader17:06
kerioROMBL loads x-loader loads nolo loads kernel17:06
XATRIXOK, i'm gonna flash my eMMC and fiasco, anything extra you can advice me ? I mean any extra 'upgrades' interresting features you can advice me to do before?17:07
XATRIXfor the learning purposes17:08
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: no17:12
DocScrutinizer05kerio: no, twl4030 will not negotiate charge current with PC17:18
DocScrutinizer05or fastcharger17:18
kerioDocScrutinizer05: just the detection17:18
keriowho does it?17:18
DocScrutinizer05detection is by PHY17:18
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XATRIXDoc, what can you say? Do the standard kernel or powerkernel provide good enough power-saving abilities for ?17:19
DocScrutinizer05D+- short detection17:19
XATRIXor it's better to do something exctra ?17:19
kerioah yes17:19
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: please don't do extras. They are not needed and often do negative17:20
XATRIXalright, i was just asking a PRO about17:21
DocScrutinizer05probably in a short while somebody will chime in and suggest hw-smartreflex and/or undervolting17:21
DocScrutinizer05but nobody ever tested how much this really saves you17:22
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DocScrutinizer05and SR still is deprecated by Nokia due to a hw bug or sth that causes instability17:22
DocScrutinizer05and undervoltimg is mere BS in my book17:23
XATRIXOk, i have a brand new clean installation of maemo, any ideas how to update it ?17:23
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eccerr0rundervolting is bs for the n900 or in general?17:23
DocScrutinizer05install CSSU17:23
XATRIXjust from the beginning ?17:23
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: don't you have to get to 1.3 first?17:24
XATRIXOr it's better to search for a new versions with maemo package manager?17:24
DocScrutinizer05bur I'd hope after flashing you *are* at 1.317:24
XATRIXBut there's a problem17:25
XATRIXYes, i see it started from the scratch, but all of my contacts, messages are still in17:25
DocScrutinizer05then you didn't flash vanilla/eMMC17:26
XATRIX RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0 ?17:26
XATRIXOr  RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin17:26
DocScrutinizer05look closer17:26
XATRIXalright, i'll reflash it again17:27
infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is
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XATRIXyes, i\m currently on it17:28
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: hi17:29
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: could you please just fix the hashsums. Don't check package integrity since IF it was a broken package we wouldn't bother if hashsum gets fixed, either17:30
DocScrutinizer05and please rsync rmo for latest cssu updates17:31
XATRIXIs there any updates for NOLO ?17:31
DocScrutinizer05(simplified answer)17:31
XATRIXThis time i hope i flashed everything i need17:32
XATRIXCan i install uboot before CCSU ?17:35
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ShadowJKAre the hashsums broken, or the packages broken/tampered? :)17:38
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: ?17:38
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XATRIXadding a stable ccsu17:49
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XATRIXCan anyone tell me what model of a headset is on ?18:16
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: that's merlin1991's headache but I think for now it's irrelevant. Nevertheless I'd guess it's just the hashsums that are incorrect18:22
ShadowJKI'd compare the packages on his mirror and on rmo :)18:24
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DocScrutinizer05the mirrors have obviously mirrored whatever been on rmo18:25
DocScrutinizer05and comparing packages isn't exactly trivial18:26
ShadowJKsha1sum *18:26
eccerr0rwas it rootcaused why the checksums no longer mismatch?18:27
eccerr0rs/ no //18:27
infoboteccerr0r meant: was it rootcaused why the checksumslonger mismatch?18:27
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eccerr0rwas it rootcaused why the checksums no longer match?18:27
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: so we're comparing shasums to fimd out where shasums differ?18:28
ShadowJKto answer whether sums are wrong or the packages are wrong18:28
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I think we have some point wher one of us doesn't get the other one's thoughts18:28
DocScrutinizer05you just suggested to compare packages by comparing their sums to find out if those sums are correct18:30
ShadowJKHashsums not matching contents. Either the sums are wrong, or the contents is corrupt or tampered.. or heck, the sums could be corrupted too :)18:30
DocScrutinizer05sounds weird to me18:30
ShadowJKBut we've got one copy in arbitrary time where sums match packages, so it'd be interesting to see a comparison of all 4 tables18:31
DocScrutinizer05yeah, so how's comparing  to a mirror helping in that? particularly when the mirror mirrored supposedly broken pkgs as well?18:31
eccerr0rwere there backups of the repositories?18:32
ShadowJKfor some reason one is broken and the other not, and if it's a mirror, you'd expect both to be broken or both to not be broken18:32
DocScrutinizer05to me it seems the only reasonable approach is to redo the shasums on rmo, then see which differed to former/old hashsum file, and if we feel like we can check those packages more closely, e.g. by rebuilding them and checking if the result differs significantly18:33
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ShadowJKexactly what I said18:34
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: they *are* both broken or not broken. All mirrors synced last time when we already had that hassum problem18:34
DocScrutinizer05comparing to any mirror doesn't help at all18:34
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ShadowJKwhy is merlin's mirror working18:35
eccerr0ri heard he recomputed all the checksums18:35
DocScrutinizer05because he rebuilt the whole thing18:35
DocScrutinizer05on his light server18:36
keriowe're not sure if the .debs work though :)18:36
keriothere hasn't been a report of a non-working one, though18:36
eccerr0rthey do work...18:36
DocScrutinizer05ooh, you installed and tested *all* of them?18:37
kerioi would be perfectly fine with running lintian on the debs18:37
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eccerr0rat least some of them work.  it's not a systemic rebuild problem.18:37
eccerr0rbut whether I've downloaded a corrupted file pre-rechecksum is the worry.18:37
kerioalthough the debs in extras-devel probably violate debian policy in all sorts of ways18:37
DocScrutinizer05we also have not all the rmo packages with hashsum error18:38
eccerr0ri was trying to download a file from rmo, checksum failed; added merlin's repo, checksum passed and installed18:38
keriohahahaha freenode18:39
DocScrutinizer05whatever, merlin1991 should just run the rehashing job against rmo18:40
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kerioyeah, we can just rebuild everything once the autobuilder is back up18:41
DocScrutinizer05worst case result: correct hashsum of a broken package, so how would that be worse than what we got now18:41
eccerr0rpeople with zombie n900s?18:41
DocScrutinizer05users uttering dark riddles?18:42
eccerr0rdownloading corrupted files due to bad copy is not a problem, downloading corrupted files because someone stuck a trojan in somehow...that's a problem.  Chances are, the second didn't happen but it's a risk.18:44
DocScrutinizer05NB we had no updates since 3 months anyway, due to autobuilder down. So no matter if hashsum gets fixed, we won't see mass updates18:44
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DocScrutinizer05eccerr0r: so you suggest we check our own server where only we can access anything for trojans that any of us smuggled in there? sounds prettty sane to me18:45
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eccerr0rpeople get their servers hacked all the time...18:46
DocScrutinizer05otherwise, how would we ensure that those packages are NO trojans?18:46
eccerr0ryou can't18:46
Zaercby digitally signing with your key?18:46
DocScrutinizer05eccerr0r: now you're starting to state silly commonplaces18:47
DocScrutinizer05Zaerc: BS, with the key that's on server that allegedly got hacked?18:47
DocScrutinizer05c'mon, get your feet on some ground18:48
eccerr0rthat's why I wonder, has anyone rootcaused exactly why the checksum mismatch?18:48
Zaercnot neccesarily, if you keep the secret key somehere safe18:48
DocScrutinizer05IF pigs had wings18:48
eccerr0rsigning server and production server should be different...18:48
DocScrutinizer05I think I told this before18:48
DocScrutinizer05SHOULD dafaq!18:49
ShadowJKWell kf production server is compromised, signing server will be signing bad packages anyways :P18:49
eccerr0rproduction/storage server not build server18:49
DocScrutinizer05we got a technical problem, no security problem18:49
Zaercyou know what?18:50
ShadowJKproduction server was like 3 steps away from storage, actually18:50
Zaercif you can't discuss these things in a normal matter...18:50
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DocScrutinizer05then what?18:51
DocScrutinizer05you stop discussing them with me? welcome!18:51
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DocScrutinizer05eccerr0r: no, we haven't rootcaused it yet since we can't investigate as long as autobuilder doesn't work18:55
DocScrutinizer05we however have some pretty good ideas why they might have happened18:55
eccerr0rwell, I meant, one day they matched, one day they didn't...18:55
DocScrutinizer05one day autobuilder built a new package version of some package18:56
eccerr0rwas it the server move?18:56
DocScrutinizer05no, before even18:56
eccerr0rahh... yeah that would be problematic if it autobuilt and didn't update checksum...18:57
DocScrutinizer05autobuilder problems are not really an unheard thing18:57
DocScrutinizer05and that's exactly what I suspect has happened18:58
DocScrutinizer05(autobuilder not updating hashsum)18:58
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eccerr0rdoes the autobuilder keep logs somewhere?18:59
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DocScrutinizer05particularly for "keep"19:00
eccerr0rthat would be good to know, control, and keep...19:01
DocScrutinizer05right now it's not working and x-fade who's the only one savvy to fix it is MIA19:01
DocScrutinizer05we mailed and noticed Nemein about it several times now. 3weeks ago(?) I heard "x-fade is looking into it now" - he didn't19:02
DocScrutinizer05x-fade planned to move from autobuilder to COBS, then Nokia pulled the plug on it. Feels like a revenge on community for something Nokia did, when he's not taking care now19:04
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eccerr0rI guess this still needs to be run like a business even though it's community handled.19:09
eccerr0rsingle point of failure is bad. :(19:09
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XATRIXWhich classes of SD cards n900 supports ?19:19
eccerr0rI currently have a class 10 microsd-hc card in my n900...  but I think this depends on the manufacturer too.  I blindly bought it hoping it would work.19:20
eccerr0ri have a feeling my n900 may have broken a class 2 microsdhc card but it may also have just been bad luck that it had it installed when it stopped working.19:21
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XATRIXI also wanted to ask, does this headset works with n900 Stereo Headset WH-701 - by Nokia  ?19:54
XATRIXI mean music Prev,Fow,Play/Pause19:54
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XATRIXYes, i saw it ... That's why i ask19:57
DocScrutinizer05see my answer about multibutton aka media headsets not working, on tmo19:59
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XATRIXwhat can you say about this ?
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: also, is it ok to use testing branch of CSSU ?20:15
XATRIXOr it's highly experimental20:15
DocScrutinizer05testing branch of cssu is for cssu-testing. stable is for cssu-stable. see20:16
infobotsomebody said cssu was
DocScrutinizer05iirc we currently have some rough edges in testing installation20:16
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DocScrutinizer05so I'd recommend stable flavour20:17
DocScrutinizer05you can "upgrade" from cssu-stable to cssu-testing any time later on (when those issues don't persist anymore)20:18
XATRIXok... i'll note it20:18
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XATRIXstrange thing i have20:36
XATRIXi added the CSSU repository (opened a link on Community_SSU website20:36
XATRIXBut it doesn't start Community SSU enabler20:37
XATRIXany idea how to fix ?20:37
XATRIXok, i've fixed it... just need to wait a bit more20:39
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XATRIX"This U-Boot version is now in Extras-Devel & Extras-Testing. Install package u-boot-flasher via apt-get or via Hildon Application Manager find "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1".20:50
XATRIXIs it ok ? Doc told me not to install software via apt-get20:50
Snafu777Y wouldn't u use apt?20:51
XATRIXNo idea20:52
XATRIXSo it's ok ?20:52
XATRIXPali: are you there ? :)20:52
Snafu777I dunno, I just got in the combo20:52
Snafu777Apt-get is fine for whatever as long as the sources u are pulling from are good to go20:52
Snafu777I personall hate ham20:52
Snafu777Too damn slow20:53
Snafu777I always use apt20:53
infoboti guess ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does20:54
infobot[apt-get] the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto20:54
PaliXATRIX, I'm here20:54
infobot[snafu] Situation Normal: All fux0red up. See also fux0red.20:56
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XATRIXPali: is it ok to install uboot via "apt-get install u-boot-flasher" ?20:57
Paliyes, why not?20:57
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XATRIXAny idea how can i make an image from the eMMC ?21:04
XATRIXI mean not to use backup21:04
XATRIXSimply to write image back to and get the state back21:04
XATRIXPali: it can't find u-boot-tools, what's the repo for ?21:06
XATRIXE: Couldn't find package u-boot-tools21:06
Paliit is in extras-devel & extras-testing21:07
infoboti heard extras-testing is the maemo testing repository, or
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eccerr0ryou'll need to use another mirror with recomputed hash checks, if you need it right away... no idea when r.m.o will be fixed...21:22
XATRIXAny idea which mirror do i have to use ?21:23
warfareDoes anyone have a clue how to connect syncevolution with icloud?21:23
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infobotmethinks mirror is, or - for fighting hashsum error21:26
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sixwheeledbeastnick/ sixwheeled|away21:33
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Snafu777I'm just glad I keep md5 verified copies of all .debs for my n90021:44
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XATRIXPali: there's no u-boot-tools on merlin22:05
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merlin1991I disagree
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XATRIXSorry bro22:11
DocScrutinizer05I never told not to use apt22:17
XATRIXYou told me not to use apt-get update ?22:19
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infobotnetwork grep. URL:
infobotwell, infobot is me, // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker22:27
infobotfrom memory, dd is `dd': Convert and copy a file `dd' copies a file (from standard input to standard output, by default) with a changeable I/O block size, while optionally performing conversions on it. 'info dd' for more info22:27
Snafu777Hat had had :)22:29
infobotninja is, like,, or realultimatepower.net22:29
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: I told you to never use apt-get dist-upgrade22:30
DocScrutinizer05~tell Snafu777 about query22:31
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: though actually you better use HAM, particularly for stuff that's kinda "tricky" - alas it's not exactly simple to estimate for a newcomer what's tricky and what's not22:34
Snafu777Doc, what could ham do that apt doesn't do?22:35
DocScrutinizer05a lot of experienced users never use HAM, but they also know how to use apt correctly and which particular care needs to be taken when installing packages that are special, like system updates or hw stuff etc22:36
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: for example it shuts down whole system to something like single user mode22:36
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DocScrutinizer05for system updates22:36
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: wait, does HAM has different way hadling the dependencies than apt ?22:37
DocScrutinizer05actually it has22:37
DocScrutinizer05it has an additional layer on top of what apt does22:37
Snafu777Can u expound that "layer" doc?22:38
XATRIXcrap :)22:38
DocScrutinizer05you can tell that from the groups you see in HAM22:38
XATRIXBut it takes forever to search something with HAM :)22:38
DocScrutinizer05there are non-visible-in-HAM packages22:38
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: it takes even longer to recover from some major system messup doen by unexperienced apt usage22:39
XATRIXI can't argue with this :)22:39
DocScrutinizer05e.g. apt-get dist-upgrade usually is a sure way to mess up your system to a degeree where reflashing is your best recovery startegy22:40
* sixwheeledbeast has other N900 and is pleased with himself22:40
Snafu777So just don't do it?22:40
Snafu777I wish I has another22:41
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Snafu777My poor n900 is a stupid testbed these days22:41
Snafu777pwnphone v3... It's coming!22:41
DocScrutinizer05as a general rule you can safely install via apt-get install all commandline tools22:43
DocScrutinizer05except i2ctools ;-P22:43
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Snafu777Hmm? I installed that via dpkg-deb just fine22:44
XATRIXWhat if i use appdownloader... Seems like it's from CSSU ?22:45
XATRIXIs it safe... ? It support search22:45
Snafu777My best advice to you XATRIX, just experiment bro22:46
Snafu777The n900 is pretty unbrick able22:46
XATRIXYes, but i don't want to screw things up again :)22:46
Snafu777So make a backup22:46
Snafu777Using backup menu22:46
XATRIXIf i could take a snapshot and later reflash it again into, i will be free to experiment with22:47
XATRIXBackup menu sucks.. It does backup calendar,contacts,software... What about system libs and so on22:47
nox-btw backupmenu still has problems with kernel updates?22:47
Snafu777No idea22:47
Snafu777I don't update my kernel :)22:48
Snafu777I stick with kp5122:48
Snafu777But, I use a commercial version of the n900 os22:48
XATRIXIs PK under development or it's abandoned ?22:48
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Snafu777So out of curiosity, who here uses their n900 for what?22:50
Snafu777I use it for penetrating22:50
Snafu777Pentesting rather22:50
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jogathanks for clarification22:50
Snafu777Stupid iOS autocorrect22:51
Snafu777But, what do y'all use it for??22:51
jogaI use it as a mobile terminal and phone (but phone use is like maybe 1%)22:51
XATRIXAs a mobile computer22:51
XATRIXIM, Mail, slighly web, ssh22:51
jogabut have used it as robot controller and such too, for games and coding, whatever22:52
infobot[reflash] zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models)22:52
jogamobile computer is a pretty good description I guess22:52
sixwheeledbeastmmm not the information i was looking for22:52
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is
Snafu777Anyone here use their n900 to hack with?22:53
Snafu777I cannot be the only one22:54
jogawell I was supposed to use it as a portable wireshark (easydebian+usb ethernet dongle+wireshark) but can't remember if it worked as well as intended, tried briefly but the screen space is pretty small for the interface22:55
Snafu777Yes it is tiny22:56
Snafu777I use mine as an intermediary22:56
jogabut you could say I do hack with it since it serves so many purposes, a macgyvery phone22:56
Snafu777Grab packets and view later22:57
Snafu777Hacked WEP with it yet?22:57
jogaI don't do pentesting though nor try to "hack" as in do nasty things to others :p22:57
NIN102invasion of the script kiddies :-*22:57
Snafu777Hacking is not bad22:57
jogaI'm just not interested in doing that22:57
Snafu777Script kiddie eh22:58
Snafu777Fighting words22:58
NIN102Snafu777: ethical is not, indeed.22:59
Snafu777U and me at the flagpole after school bud22:59
jogathe sort of hacks I do with it are maybe more like graphing out metro movement with the accelerometer and such22:59
Snafu777I never said anything about unethical22:59
Snafu777I said pentesting23:00
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: backupmenu does NOT suck, it does an update of ALL23:02
r00t^homewhere are sip account settings stored on the filesystem?23:02
Snafu777Somewhere beneath / :)23:02
r00t^homethanks, just what i needed to know!23:02
r00t^homeso they are not stored in a unlinked file, good to know!23:03
DocScrutinizer05nox-: since BM updates *all* (except kernel itself) it will still restore wrong kernel modules when you restore a backup done before kernel update23:03
r00t^homegrep -r says ~/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg23:03
r00t^homeok, now where is the PASSWORD stored... :\23:05
r00t^homeguess i'll have to do it the old fashined way and walk over to the person i want to talk to instead of calling23:06
DocScrutinizer05nox-: you're free to save away your current kernel's modules and restore them after resoring the wrong ones from your BM backup23:06
DocScrutinizer05or simply not restore *all* but only the needed stuff to recover23:07
DocScrutinizer05or roll back to the correct kernel matching your backup before restroing (probably the best method)23:09
DocScrutinizer05r00t^home: gconftool -R /|less23:11
XATRIXBatterPatch :))))))))23:12
infobotsomebody said speedpatch was >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]23:12
XATRIXBatteryPatch For Unstable Devices :))))))))))))))))))))))23:12
DocScrutinizer05yeah, indeed23:13
DocScrutinizer05works as advertised: instability guaranteed23:13
XATRIXYou're slowing down technical progress ;))))23:13
XATRIXSo, you say if i mess up my kernel or something like this backup will help me back ?23:15
XATRIXOr maybe some libs packageg23:15
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XATRIXmerlin1991: I need your help here :) I found two packages: 1) U-boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 2) uboot-pr1323:17
DocScrutinizer05no, when you mess with kernel even backupmenu can't help you out (at least you'll need to reinstall correct kernel too)23:17
DocScrutinizer05if device doesn't boot then backupmenu can't work23:17
DocScrutinizer05it at least needs to *start* bootup23:18
XATRIXWhat's the difference ? And how do i actually act, to make my handset : 1) Boot stock maemo kernel 2) Boot latest (and updatable) Kernel power 3) something else23:18
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: But if it's operational, bakcupmenu can revive EVERYTHING ?23:18
DocScrutinizer05flashing a clean PR1.3 + backupmenu restore shall recover you to same state as of time of backup23:19
DocScrutinizer05except if you updated / changed kernel prior to backup23:20
XATRIXWait, do you mean that backup i can access through the main menu ?23:20
XATRIXThere's a 'safe' icon23:20
DocScrutinizer05in which case you have to redo that manually after flashing before BM restore23:20
DocScrutinizer05I mean backupmenu23:20
infoboti heard backupmenu is
XATRIXOh, crap...that's definately something different23:21
DocScrutinizer05the other one is hildon backup23:21
DocScrutinizer05or simply maemo stock backup app23:21
DocScrutinizer05BM is the greatest thing since N90023:21
DocScrutinizer05It always take me wonder how Nokia could dare to ship N900 without BM as a stock functionality23:22
DocScrutinizer05hildon backup is kinda extremely over-engineered23:23
XATRIXCan i also integrate BM into the U-boot ?23:24
DocScrutinizer05optimized for the standard case, failig epically for everything that has slightest non-standard details23:24
DocScrutinizer05no, since uboot and BM are different things23:24
XATRIXSo, how the hell i should use each of ?23:24
DocScrutinizer05uboot is before linux kernel gets loaded, BM is *after* linux booted up to init23:24
DocScrutinizer05they are supposed to coexist23:25
XATRIXSo i can install it both ? via HAM23:25
DocScrutinizer05you should be able to do that, yes23:25
XATRIXWill it brake down if i later install kernelpower it suppose to make changes in /boot23:26
XATRIXMaybe it won't work after23:27
XATRIXAlso i received warning about using i2c-tools , it can damage my SoC23:27
kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, osso-backup works fine if you're a normal user who never opened a terminal and only installed things from ovi :P23:28
kerioso... about 0% of the n900 users23:28
DocScrutinizer05DocScrutinizer05KP will override uBoot. You need a special way to install KP as image to boot from uBoot as alternative kernel23:29
DocScrutinizer05I explained to you that uBoot lives in symbiosis with kernel in kernel's NAND partition23:29
XATRIXSo , i have to make a file for /etc/boot23:30
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DocScrutinizer05flashing a new kernel will nuke not only the stock kernel but also uBoot23:30
XATRIXSo , i have to make a file for /etc/bootmenu.d and place a boot record there ?23:30
DocScrutinizer05basically yes23:30
XATRIXwhats the way ?23:30
kerionot really23:30
kerioinstall kernel-power-bootimg23:31
kerioit has the file in bootmenu.d already23:31
DocScrutinizer05please check tmo for that detail, it's like FAQ #223:31
kerioand the latest u-boot-flasher brings in fiasco-do-update-ask, which lets you cancel a flash of kernels that aren't uboot23:31
DocScrutinizer05duh, will that work for 'normal' kernels?23:32
DocScrutinizer05no it won't since those kernels' preinstall doesn't call fiasco-do-update-ask23:32
kerioah, but fiasco-do-update-ask is just a diversion of fiasco-do-update23:32
keriowhich *is* used by everything that flashes a kernel23:33
DocScrutinizer05or if they do, then it doesn't probably ship with uBoot only23:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it wraps around fiasco-do-update23:33
kerio(or maybe fiasco-image-update, but w/ever)23:34
kerioit checks the version string of the kernel to flash and of the flashed kernel23:34
kerioif they differ too much, it asks for confirmation23:34
XATRIXDoing a backup with BM23:35
kerioso you can keep kernel-power-flasher installed23:35
kerioand still have u-boot23:35
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XATRIXThen installing u-boot, KP-bootimg  or in the reverse order ?23:35
DocScrutinizer05correct order23:35
kerioXATRIX: kernel-power/kernel-power-modules/kernel-power-flasher, then u-boot-tools/u-boot-flasher, then kernel-power-bootimg23:36
sixwheeledbeasthaving trouble flashing mmc on new device.23:36
sixwheeledbeastError setting alternate interface: Invalid argument23:36
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sixwheeledbeastam i doing somthing stupid23:36
DocScrutinizer05reflash rootfs aka COMBINED23:36
sixwheeledbeastcombined flashs fine but not emmc23:37
DocScrutinizer05blacklist cdc_phonet23:37
XATRIXThat's harder than i thouhg :(23:37
DocScrutinizer05BLACKLIST, not just rmmod/modprobe -r23:38
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: what you expected? You're jumping head first into the most advanced and sophisticated stuff maemo fremantle has to offer23:39
PaliDocScrutinizer05, what about creating initfs image with softupd binary used for flashing eMMC?23:39
DocScrutinizer05without making yourself familiar with the basics first23:39
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XATRIXI do...23:39
Paliso it will be possible to flash eMMC without working rootfs...23:39
XATRIXI'm learning in a practice23:39
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and I'm getting tired to give you lessens. Sorry it's geberally a good approach, but you're too fst and demanding for me today23:40
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: I guess that's exactly how eMMC flashing aka Mk-II works23:41
DocScrutinizer05just that it uses rootfs instead of initfs from flasher23:42
PaliDocScrutinizer05, eMMC flashing is done by /usr/sbin/softupd23:42
XATRIXYea, i know :( But if that's wouldn't be you guys, i would get into a serious troubles :(23:42
Paliso if I create initfs + kernel and load it via NOLO I can use flasher-3.5 to flash eMMC23:42
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: ack23:43
XATRIXkerio: I don't see kernel-power-modules/kernel-power-flasher inside the HAM23:44
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if friggin softupd is open23:44
Palino closed23:44
XATRIX:) AGM-8823:44
Palion fremantle and harmattan closed23:44
Palino source code on internet23:44
Palialredy tried to google23:44
Paliand also wrote nokia dev maintainer23:44
Palihe wrote me that it is closed23:45
DocScrutinizer05thanks for info, nokia23:45
XATRIXkerio: only 1) Linux kernel (boot image) 2) Linux kernel for BFS user 3) Linux kernel for BFS user (boot image) 3) Linux kernel for power user 4) Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot)23:45
Paliinstall 3) and 4)23:46
DocScrutinizer05what's about johnwil, wouldn't he maybe... I mean, how large can softupd be?23:46
Pali-rwxr-xr-x root/root    121508 2010-03-18 18:49 ./usr/sbin/softupd23:46
Palideb package verion: 0.4.4+0m523:46
DocScrutinizer05too heavy for jonwil?23:46
XATRIXBut where's the kernel-power-flasher ?23:46
kerioPali: is there an x86 version?23:47
Palikerio, no23:47
Palionly on downloads.maemo....23:47
PaliDocScrutinizer05, I have already sniffed commands via USB23:47
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: parts of uboot and PK are only available on pali's site23:47
DocScrutinizer05or in tmo23:47
XATRIXEm... which one?23:48
XATRIXI'm using merlin1991 repo23:48
PaliXATRIX, install 3) and 4) and uboot23:48
DocScrutinizer05e.g KP5223:48
XATRIXPali: yep...i'm trying to23:48
PaliDocScrutinizer05, here is info which I RE:
DocScrutinizer05which of the both 3)? ;-P23:48
Palineeded for client side23:49
XATRIXBut what does Doc meant?23:49
XATRIXPali: what is your site for PK ?23:49
PaliDocScrutinizer05, of course kernel-power :-)23:49
Paliread first post23:49
Paliread first two lines23:50
XATRIXcrap :( i've already installed it23:50
XATRIXBut without kernel-power-flasher23:50
XATRIXYou told me late23:50
DocScrutinizer05then you installed an obsolete version23:50
Palicorrect order is: kernel-power, kernel-power-modules, kernel-power-flasher23:50
XATRIXAny possiblitly to uninstall ?23:50
DocScrutinizer05if you haven't installed flasher yet, you probably can revert23:50
Paliinstall new version23:50
DocScrutinizer05ask Pali23:51
Paliif -flasher is not installed nothing happened23:51
DocScrutinizer05what I thought23:51
XATRIXI added merlin1991 repo, installed  'Linux kernel for power user' and 'Linux kernel for power user(boot image for multiboot)23:51
Palithen you flashed version from extras23:52
XATRIXhow can i check ?23:52
Palinow you can update to last version from TMO23:52
PaliDocScrutinizer05, 50 or 5123:52
Palievery kernel-power is
XATRIXYes, :(23:53
DocScrutinizer05really, maerlin's mirror has KP50?23:53
XATRIXi don't know how to extract the subversion23:53
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, in extras is 50 or 5123:53
infobottmo is probably, or, or It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.23:53
infobotwell, kp is
Pali[22:50:04] <Pali> read first two lines23:54
PaliDoc, look:
PaliFremantle Extras free armelkernel-power 2.6.28-10power5023:54
XATRIXPali: can i uninstall my current KP ?23:54
DocScrutinizer05W*T*F?! kp50 is almost a year old?23:54
PaliXATRIX, you cannot uninstall kernel23:55
Paliyou can only flash another23:55
XATRIXYes :(23:55
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: actually *never* uninstall kernels23:55
Paliwhich you want?23:55
XATRIXlatest one23:55
Palinokia default kernel or kernel power?23:55
PaliI really do not understand what you want now23:55
infobotkp is probably
Pali[22:54:00] <Pali> [22:50:04] <Pali> read first two lines23:56
XATRIXSeems like i installed KP not from the proper repo23:56
XATRIXit has no flasher23:56
DocScrutinizer05[2013-03-03 22:53:54] <infobot> well, kp is
DocScrutinizer05[2013-03-03 22:54:02] <Pali> [22:50:04] <Pali> read first two lines23:56
XATRIXi'm on it...23:56
Palicorrect order of installation is: kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg23:57
DocScrutinizer05best you download those with wget23:57
DocScrutinizer05and use dpkg -i kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg23:58
Palino no no23:58
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DocScrutinizer05nonono? ;-P23:58
Paliyou need to call one dpkg -i for each package23:58
Paliyou cannot install all kernel-power packages with one dpkg -i23:58
DocScrutinizer05I never do23:58
Palibecause of pre depends23:58
DocScrutinizer05yeah, i call it 4 or 5 times XP23:59
DocScrutinizer05until it throws no more errors ;)23:59

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