| kerio | the foreground ansi color is AAAAAA | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which is "white lesser 1" | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while FFFFFF is "bright white" | 00:00 |
| eccerr0r | static.maemo.org <- arrrggh. | 00:00 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, actually not even that | 00:00 |
| eyescream | I think we might be talking about different things. | 00:01 |
| eyescream | I'll just give you an example for simplicity's sake: | 00:01 |
| kerio | lesser white is a separate thing than colorless foreground | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no we don't | 00:01 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fwiw being able to pick ansi colors would be good | 00:02 |
| eyescream | Imagine you run debian, you decide to run X and a bunch of terminal applications. You don't want to bother dealing with (sometimes non-existent) color configurations that might differ, so you use .Xdefaults/.Xresources to set defaults. | 00:03 |
| kerio | the lesser blue is quite dark, i often prefer it a bit brighter | 00:03 |
| kerio | eyescream: could you give us some kind of example, please | 00:03 |
| eyescream | Instead of the standard blue, you pick a different shade that doesn't look crap (subjectve, obviously). | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any app is supposed to - per default - use the standard foreground and background color of the xterm it's started in. | 00:03 |
| eyescream | Yes, that works for the normal xterm. | 00:04 |
| eyescream | On any *nix. | 00:04 |
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| eyescream | Which is why I'm surprised that I can't figure out how to make this work my way. It works on any other system just fine. | 00:05 |
| eccerr0r | I think perhaps he's concerning the applications that use the 16-ANSI colors versus the 256. The 16-colors are not unambiguous, except for colors 0 and 7, and maybe 15... | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you're free to pick those from the set of available colors. You can define what's "light blue" for you, to a certain degree, but you shouldn't define "black" as white and "grey" as black, to get inverted text | 00:05 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you can't, in osso-xterm | 00:06 |
| kerio | at least, not in any way that i know of | 00:06 |
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| eyescream | I'm not talking about 256 colors, either. | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quuite possible in osso-xterm it's hardcoded | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno | 00:06 |
| eyescream | Hm. | 00:06 |
| eccerr0r | yeah i think they are hardcoded too | 00:06 |
| eyescream | That would explain why I can't find anything, then. | 00:06 |
| eyescream | I haven't installed coreutils, but if you run the standard "ls" with color output, it will output the standard ansi colors and not the specified colors of the xterm. | 00:07 |
| eyescream | According to the screenshots I've seen, anyway. | 00:07 |
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| eyescream | And those are the colors I'd like to modify. | 00:08 |
| eccerr0r | is there enough of the toolkit to build the full xterm for maemo? :D | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ls is supposed the colors you specify according to `man ls` | 00:08 |
| kerio | eyescream: the stock ls doesn't have 256color support | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | supposed to use* | 00:08 |
| kerio | so it *can't* use colors different from what the terminal decides to display | 00:08 |
| eccerr0r | or vte :o ouch... | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like ls has its own palette | 00:10 |
| kerio | eyescream: there's not even xrdb on maemo, how do you expect to load .Xresources? | 00:10 |
| eyescream | kerio: I'm not expecting to load it, hence my asking for an alternative. | 00:10 |
| kerio | eyescream: afaik there's no way to configure osso-xterm's colors | 00:11 |
| kerio | it would be a really neat feature request | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wait a minute, digging up a link for you | 00:11 |
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| eyescream | kerio: That's what I wanted to know, thanks. | 00:11 |
| eccerr0r | i thought i saw a link about osso-xterm-advanced which seems to have the feature... but gave up because the web pages about it weren't coming in... | 00:12 |
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| kerio | eccerr0r: OS2007 | 00:13 |
| kerio | ancient version of maemo | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ | 00:14 |
| kerio | omg, that text is so small | 00:16 |
| kerio | how big was the n8x0 screen compared to the n900's? | 00:16 |
| eccerr0r | wow so someone did port vte over... neat. | 00:16 |
| eyescream | Interesting. | 00:17 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's so little space for the actual window! | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik since then this "hack2 went to default osso vte | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also, vte *is* OSS, yes | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it#s not one of maemo's blobs | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen inz | 00:20 |
| infobot | inz <inz@inz.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 37d 12h 3m 11s ago, saying: 'works for me'. | 00:20 |
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| eyescream | Well, thanks for all the information. :) | 00:22 |
| eccerr0r | yes vte is oss but I considered it a big fat blob of code, i was surprised it was used after all... | 00:23 |
| eccerr0r | it's the underlying code of gnome-terminal which did have full color support. | 00:24 |
| kerio | closed-through-obscurity huh | 00:24 |
| eccerr0r | thought they'd pick and choose smaller code fragments to put on maemo to reduce image size... I probably wouldn't have gone used vte... | 00:25 |
| eccerr0r | my osso-xterm: 12MB core size | 00:30 |
| eccerr0r | gnome-terminal on x86: 29MB core size | 00:30 |
| eccerr0r | xterm on x86: 9MB core ... | 00:31 |
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| eccerr0r | rxvt on x86: 4MB core... :( | 00:31 |
| qwazix | It'd be interesting to see TermKit run on maemo... | 00:32 |
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| eccerr0r | have to also add on webkit bits too... :( | 00:34 |
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| Estel_ | ~mirrors | 00:45 |
| infobot | mirror is, like, http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 00:45 |
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| Estel_ | I wonder how many devs will give up on their maemo projects, due to innacessibility of autobuilder measured in months, and overall *not working* state of -devel, despite being accesible, in theory... | 00:46 |
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| Estel_ | not only due to irritation - even people most loving maemo can just, naturally, switch attention to projects, where you're actually able to use infrastructure | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | publish new things, get user feedback, etc | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | [/rant] | 00:47 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: it's kind of put me off maemo projects for now. | 00:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05, Estel_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1324171&postcount=11 | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: that's *exactly* what mine been showing during early state of FPC failure | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when it got worse, even AV out didn't work anymore | 01:16 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ok thanks, well new main flex is coming 2 day postage | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (autobuilder) ...is not the only thing messed up during Nemein's migration from Nokia servers to Nemein XEN-grid | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alas we have no means to push them on fixing that, except HiFo board complaining to Nokia, or users calling Nokia care and bitching | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or users complaining to HiFo board about that | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we (maemo tech staff) are in communications with one or max 2 of Nemein's sysops, we have no idea who's responsible for oversight end proper execution of the whole maemo-migration project negotiated between Nokia and Nemein | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ end / and / | 01:22 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: we (maemo tech staff) are in communications with one or max 2 of Nemein's sysops, we have no idea who's responsible for oversight and proper execution of the whole maemo-migration project negotiated between Nokia and Nemein | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just evident that Nemein hasn't assigned enough manpower to it, for various reasons | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems x-fade - the only guy with sufficient knowledge to fix autobuilder - is not available, sick, dunno what. Eero is *very* busy as a result of that, doing the job of another sick colleague in addition to his own task list. And nobody in Nokia seems to bother if Nemein delivers what they got paid for, or rather I got the impression it's like that, since this whole stuff is not transparent to "us" | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know if it's Nemein's obligation or just goodwill when they care about maemo at all any more. | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible they reported to Nokia "mission accomplished" at 2012-12-31 and Nokia nodded and turned around since they don't care for maemo much, as you all know. | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so if Nokia accepted that "mission accomplished" then there's basically nobody who can push Nemein on doing anything about the bugs and borkages in maemo. If not, then it's Nokia demanding contract fulfillment | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, "we" (council, tech staff) can do just so much... | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we're asking for competent help urgently | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (hmmm, i might email javispedro, maybe he has an idea about how autobuilder works) | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen javispedro | 01:54 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 109d 4h 11m 48s ago, saying: 'get a macintosh!'. | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | basically we're running since ~4 weeks on "new" infra now: [2013-02-20 05:06:33] *** This channel was created on 2013-01-17 17:05. | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (our channel to Nemein) | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | autobuilder probably stopped working when it been put into r/o mode at beginning of Nemein migration project | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even earlier | 02:17 |
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| starkwiz | ~seen starkwiz | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~status | 02:35 |
| infobot | starkwiz is currently on #maemo (5h 21s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 5s, last said: '~seen starkwiz'. | 02:35 |
| infobot | Since Tue Feb 5 16:30:17 2013, there have been 58 modifications, 674 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 303 commands. I have been awake for 15d 8h 4m 51s this session, and currently reference 118932 factoids. I'm using about 24872 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4514.5/85.34 child 0/0 | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 02:35 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help | 02:35 |
| infobot | I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" | 02:35 |
| infobot | 37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, babelfish, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat | 02:35 |
| infobot | 39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, identify, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection | 02:35 |
| infobot | 32 topics: rename, reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 02:36 |
| infobot | Hey docscrutinizer05, weathercode klpc is Lompoc (Lompoc) | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 02:36 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds quake source... This is Quake's source code.. URL: http://www.idsoftware.com/q1source/q1source.zip | 02:36 | |
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| starkwiz | cool | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 02:37 |
| infobot | methinks joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~debian | 02:37 |
| infobot | http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents | 02:37 |
| starkwiz | ~starkwiz | 02:37 |
| starkwiz | ~maemo | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys maemo | 02:38 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo' by key (15 of 56): #maemo closed ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; #maemo donate ;; #maemo ek ;; #maemo mirror ;; #maemo mirrors ;; #maemo must ;; #maemo mustn't ;; #maemo omp ;; #maemo snowboarding ;; #maemo sysop-wanted ;; #maemo thumb ;; #maemo u-boot ;; #maemo vkbd-portrait ;; #maemo warfare. | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~closed | 02:38 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal closed | 02:38 |
| infobot | "#maemo closed" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages" | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough there's no maemo factoid | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fremantle | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 02:39 |
| infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xxxy is kfdakldhdaklhjkdaheao | 02:40 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xxxxy | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xxxy | 02:40 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, xxxy is kfdakldhdaklhjkdaheao | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget xxxy | 02:40 |
| infobot | i forgot xxxy, DocScrutinizer05 | 02:40 |
| starkwiz | That's cool | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please don't mess with defining new factoids lightly | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and never make infobot forget or redefine factoids you don't "own" | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~query | 02:41 |
| infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask | 02:42 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 02:42 |
| infobot | from memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirror | 02:42 |
| infobot | [mirror] http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 02:42 |
| cehteh | .o(oh man .. when will it be fully back to normal?) | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues maemo | 02:43 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo' by value (18 of 153): #maemo pkgs ;; #maemo redpill ;; anidel ;; boot-messages ;; council ;; ctl-sh-p ;; extras-devel ;; extras-testing ;; extras-upload ;; hostmode-powered ;; hotswap ;; installing-applications ;; jebbadbus ;; maemo-brand ;; maemo-flashing ;; maemosdk ;; malf ;; musthave. | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: see backscroll, just 1h. I ranted about it | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~council | 02:44 |
| infobot | somebody said council was The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information." http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 02:44 |
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| cehteh | yes .. i am just repeating you :P | 02:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | starkwiz: your own nick is a special factoid you are free to define to whatever you like, and then ~lock it | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so nobody can mess with it | 02:45 |
| starkwiz | cool | 02:46 |
| merlin1991 | I didn't set mine though | 02:46 |
| merlin1991 | hm how to check who set a factoid? | 02:46 |
| Drathir | hi all | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo joerg | 02:47 |
| infobot | joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (1581 days); it has been requested 50 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 10m 9s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~factinfo council | 02:47 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 02:47 |
| infobot | council -- created by GeneralAntilles <~ryan@Maemo/community/council/GeneralAntilles> at Sun Sep 19 23:16:42 2010 (885 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 3m 18s ago. | 02:47 |
| merlin1991 | ~factinfo merlin1991 | 02:47 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 02:47 |
| infobot | merlin1991 -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Tue Jul 3 23:04:19 2012 (232 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by merlin1991 at Tue Dec 25 20:59:26 2012. | 02:47 |
| merlin1991 | yep wasnt me .D | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nonsensical error msg | 02:48 |
| merlin1991 | that too | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ merlin1991 | 02:48 |
| infobot | methinks merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: | 02:48 |
| Drathir | im think someoneg connected with camelot ^^ | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: eh? | 02:50 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: merlin saga ;) | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 02:50 |
| Drathir | jokeing ofc Merlin excalibur camelot minevra etc | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki camelot | 02:51 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelot (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the mythical castle}} {{pp-move-indef}} {{Infobox fictional location | Name = Camelot | colour = #C0C0C0 | image = Idylls of the King 3.jpg | imagesize = 150px | caption = Gustave Doréâs illustration of Camelot from âIdylls of the Kingâ, 1868. | source = Arthurian legend | creator = | genre = | type = | locations = | people = King Arthur, Uther Pendragon, Guinevere, .. | 02:51 |
| starkwiz | ~starkwiz | 02:51 |
| infobot | [starkwiz] cool. | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | Drathir: actually not camelot but Fincayra | 02:51 |
| Drathir | yea | 02:52 |
| Drathir | btw must see repository threat old repo back? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please rephrase | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 02:54 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer05 | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack GeneralAntilles | 02:55 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing GeneralAntilles | 02:55 | |
| merlin1991 | ~nuke infobot | 02:55 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... Bâ¢â¢M! | 02:55 | |
| merlin1991 | :D | 02:55 |
| starkwiz | haha that is smart | 02:55 |
| starkwiz | lol | 02:55 |
| starkwiz | ~nuke all | 02:56 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at all ... Bâ¢â¢M! | 02:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~debian starkwiz | 02:56 |
| * infobot tells starkwiz to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 02:56 | |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: mean that link http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 looks for new adreses of repository.. | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 02:57 |
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| starkwiz | ~suicide infobot | 02:58 |
| * infobot watches infobot shoot themself in the head after seeing starkwiz commit suicide. | 02:58 | |
| starkwiz | ROFL | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: you suck! | 03:00 |
| infobot | Sorry! | 03:00 |
| Drathir | infobot: botsnack | 03:00 |
| infobot | Drathir: :) | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~logs | 03:01 |
| infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~log | 03:01 |
| infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo log is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 03:02 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~log | 03:02 |
| infobot | log is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo starkwiz | 03:04 |
| infobot | starkwiz -- created by starkwiz <~starkwiz@122.179.169.5> 13m 35s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by starkwiz, 12m 48s ago; it has been locked by starkwiz. | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo joerg | 03:04 |
| infobot | joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (1581 days); it has been requested 50 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 27m 44s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. | 03:04 |
| * infobot yawns | 03:09 | |
| infobot | so you're done with pestering me with this nonsense? | 03:10 |
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| Drathir | anyone maybe know where inside file system was stored sms and build-in im messages ? | 05:10 |
| robbiethe1st | pretty sure it's in the OptFS, in the /home/user directory somewhere | 05:14 |
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| alec__ | i just ordered a n900 (been waiting 3 years for the price to go down!) and i'm wondering, is there a point to using meego vs. maemo on the n900? | 06:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | there isn't really a complete meego stack | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want to use maemo5/fremantle_Pr1.3(.)[CSSU] | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alec__: kudos for keeping this plan for THREE years. You're outsmarting even me ;-D | 06:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when I decided to get a linux smartphone, I had only 2 months of "no money" period, then Openmoko 1973 wasn't available anymore, and when Openmoko Neo (aka GTA02) came out, I was basically almost an employee of that company | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if I could've kept this plan for 3 years | 06:45 |
| alec__ | wow | 06:49 |
| alec__ | do you have any other linux phones, docscrutinizer05? | 06:49 |
| alec__ | besides an n900? | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I guess the N900s, the N950, the N9, and all the OM devices and OpenPhoenux GTA04 all would qualify for the title "Linux Phone" | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120812_002.jpg ;-) | 06:58 |
| alec__ | which one's your favorite, docscrutinizer05? | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120812_003.jpg | 06:59 |
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| alec__ | why is that, docscrutinizer05? | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it has a nice hw kbd, a very good resistive touchscreen (I hate capacitive, have you noticed they always come without stylus?) and it's just fast enough for me. AND it has uSD slot, and a truly almost completely open OS (not like the N9 which is riddled by some abomination called aegis) | 07:08 |
| alec__ | i see | 07:13 |
| alec__ | someone once told me it was a 'linux fanboy phone'... but i've always believed it was the best phone evar | 07:13 |
| alec__ | my current phone (sony p1i) was released quite a while ago; i've hung onto it because of the hw keyboard though | 07:14 |
| * alec__ can't wait to start hacking on his n900 | 07:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you can either use it as a "normal phone2 and don't use too many of the "leete apps" out there since some of them need some attention to get them play nice with N900 core functionallity, or you are a linux geek and tailor the N900 to whatever you like basically | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway don't install stuff indiscriminately, make backups with backupmenu *often*, and don't believe stuff that sounds too good/weird and has no "99.9% thumbs-up" rating, like | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedpatch | 07:18 |
| infobot | i guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~batterypatch | 07:18 |
| infobot | rumour has it, speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] | 07:18 |
| alec__ | ahhh | 07:18 |
| alec__ | ok | 07:18 |
| alec__ | i was going to install that power kernel and the wifi driver that allows monitor mode on all channels, for starters | 07:19 |
| alec__ | the titan kernel or whatever it's called | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest you wait a 4..8 weeks with both | 07:19 |
| alec__ | why's that? | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first learn to know your stock N900 | 07:20 |
| alec__ | ok | 07:20 |
| alec__ | i was also looking forward to running nin101's encryption setup | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'd miss a reference how stuff is supposed to work, when you jump into hacker issues right away | 07:20 |
| alec__ | i see | 07:20 |
| alec__ | good point | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and believe me, you won't need any of that hacker stuff to begin with, to have ÖOTS of fun with stock N900 | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOTS even | 07:21 |
| alec__ | yes | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just install rootsh and ssh, and enjoy *real* linux on your phone | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *awesome* | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some users comsider this a helpful webpage, though i think you don't need that either during first 8 weeks: | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 07:23 |
| infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 07:23 |
| alec__ | thank you, i'll definitely look at that | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just get: | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 07:24 |
| infobot | methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's *really* important | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and learn to: | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 07:25 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually *fun* | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | especially when you do it during first 2 days you own your new phone | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on day #3 you already will feel sorrow for all the config you already did that will get lost by flashing | 07:26 |
| alec__ | interesting | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so on day 2 do a *normal* backup with the builtin backup app, the try flashing, do it again just for fun, then resore your settings with backup app "restore" | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/the try/then try/. | 07:28 |
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| alec__ | ok, i will definitely do that | 07:30 |
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| alec__ | does the n900 support writing directly to the framebuffer? | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise mplayer would have a hard time | 07:35 |
| alec__ | wohoo | 07:36 |
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| kerio | alec__: note that mplayer is far from recommended to play movies | 08:38 |
| kerio | 600MHz aren't a lot | 08:38 |
| kerio | the stock media player and things that use the same backend use the internal DSP | 08:38 |
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| alec__ | i see | 09:02 |
| alec__ | yes, 600mhz is pretty slow... | 09:02 |
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| _eddyb_ | hi | 09:21 |
| kerio | 'lo | 09:22 |
| _eddyb_ | any idea if there's a HTML5 browser that's easy to install on N900? | 09:22 |
| kerio | fennec? | 09:22 |
| kerio | i'm not sure what you mean by html5 | 09:22 |
| _eddyb_ | canvas, websocket, css3/flexbox, etc. | 09:23 |
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| kerio | hm, i think that fennec supports those | 09:23 |
| kerio | you *really* want cssu-thumb and the thumbified fennec, though | 09:23 |
| _eddyb_ | basically what latest chrome stable can and microbe can't do | 09:23 |
| kerio | and even then, it's still kinda slow | 09:23 |
| Skry | -kinda | 09:24 |
| _eddyb_ | hmm, is my ssh not exiting because it's tunneling IRC? | 09:24 |
| _eddyb_ | that's funny - sadly I can't open new xterm instances easily | 09:25 |
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| _eddyb_ | so I installed fennec with aptitude (a search fortytwo "thumb" gave me nothing - is it the arm instruction subset?) | 09:32 |
| kerio | _eddyb_: i was about to suggest \n~& to send ssh in background, waiting for connections to end | 09:33 |
| kerio | _eddyb_: you're doing it wrong :) | 09:33 |
| kerio | the fennec in the repos is like version 4 | 09:33 |
| kerio | ~cssu-thumb | 09:33 |
| infobot | from memory, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 | 09:33 |
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| _eddyb_ | that fennec is sweet and it's faster than microb | 09:34 |
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| _eddyb_ | but I'll take something better if there is :) | 09:34 |
| _eddyb_ | kerio: and use "fg" to get ssh back? | 09:35 |
| kerio | no, ~& will hup the program that's running in foreground | 09:36 |
| _eddyb_ | I remember something like ctrl-z | 09:37 |
| kerio | if you want to send ssh in background you can do ~^z | 09:37 |
| _eddyb_ | yeah, thanks, I guess ~ is the ssh escape key | 09:38 |
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| _eddyb_ | wasn't firebug the ff debug addon? I can't find it :/ | 09:44 |
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| Guest61762 | hey! can someone tell me some useful apps for my n900? | 11:20 |
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| kerio | ah dammit | 11:35 |
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| t4nk587 | hi, ive got a serious question- from where i can get the ipk files of games to install them on n900 and play? i know how, but noone says from where? | 11:42 |
| t4nk587 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70795 | 11:43 |
| t4nk587 | great explanation but where are the files? | 11:43 |
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| t4nk587 | any suggestions? anyone? | 11:45 |
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| Muelli | Internet | 11:50 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | "apps" eh? | 12:00 |
| starkwiz | call warfare | 12:01 |
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| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: i hope he meant programs | 12:14 |
| kerio | :s | 12:14 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, but it looks like star wars canonical (sic!) "we're doomed!" | 12:32 |
| Estel_ | i.e. that there, basically, not only no one know how to fix problems with repos or autobuilder, but that, also, no one is trying to fix it, as no one know who should fix it or lack contact to people who could be able to fix it | 12:33 |
| Estel_ | not accussing anyone or blaming, just trying to get facts straight | 12:33 |
| Estel_ | following your description, it means, that we have hosting which is useless, as neither autobuilder nor extras-devel is going to work anytime soon | 12:34 |
| Estel_ | cause there is no technical possibility ATM to assign anyone into looking at it | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, who said we can't fix extras-devel hashsum? | 12:35 |
| Estel_ | I dount that majority of maemo-interested people know, how *bad* it looks in reality. Maybe some fuss on TMO would make people complain to hifo for more action? | 12:35 |
| Estel_ | erm, we can? | 12:36 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, and even if "we" fix devel hashsum thid or other way, no much difference, as nothing else will appear without autobuilder working | 12:40 |
| Estel_ | initially, at least putting through scp worked, which is "enuf" (screw web based upload). | 12:40 |
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| Estel_ | either way we're *frozen* into using mirrors and distribute new version of programs as .deb's scattered through various one-click hosting sites and threads at tmo (better) or just tars with files to replace (dependency fun x2) | 12:41 |
| * Estel_ is using synthetized C3PO voice: "We're doomed!" | 12:42 | |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | Estel_: http://youtu.be/0A5XOIMs6D0 | 12:48 |
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| Estel_ | Aoyagi_joytop, rather like that: http://i.qkme.me/36fnjj.jpg | 12:54 |
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| Estel_ | another topic - anyone using cutetube here, or maybe someone know if, and if yes, what nick marxian use on irc? | 12:56 |
| Estel_ | installed it yesterday for the first time, just to discover that it segfaults miserably with dailymotion... | 12:56 |
| Estel_ | making it useless, as youtube is working without need for cutetube | 12:56 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | Ahaha, the Internet panic over PS4 being all-AMD is hilarious. | 13:14 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | And this is wrong channel, sorry | 13:14 |
| teotwaki | http://25.media.tumblr.com/38991ff1ebc2dd6caf36e1fa6aa28196/tumblr_mhqkurBDkX1rn7bzro1_500.gif | 13:14 |
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| M30W | Is there any reason to why my N900 would lock me out of it and not let me unlock. Then ssh not let me auth. | 13:20 |
| M30W | Reboot to then not even boot ? | 13:21 |
| M30W | I have devel repos enabled btw. | 13:21 |
| Gh0sty | reflash? | 13:21 |
| M30W | Is there any way to recover files before flashing? | 13:21 |
| M30W | Ah nvm. | 13:21 |
| M30W | Gh0sty: Yea, seems like that's what I have to do :( | 13:21 |
| Gh0sty | use backups | 13:22 |
| M30W | (Nvm -> image doesn't flash over home data) | 13:22 |
| M30W | Gh0sty: Hehe.. | 13:23 |
| Gh0sty | most stuff should be on your sd card anyway | 13:23 |
| M30W | My phone is my backup server for my laptop :P | 13:23 |
| Gh0sty | and you could try to only flash the bootstuff | 13:23 |
| * M30W has other backups but it works nice. | 13:23 | |
| Gh0sty | 'leaving the filesystem untouched :/ | 13:23 |
| M30W | Gh0sty: I think I should reflash it all (Exc home) | 13:23 |
| M30W | Easy and I know how. :) | 13:23 |
| Gh0sty | ok then what are you waiting for | 13:23 |
| M30W | Just need to boot into a laptop that can short VERY easily :/ | 13:24 |
| M30W | Not so good for flashing hehehe. | 13:24 |
| Gh0sty | mine has very awkward behavior since a few months | 13:24 |
| Gh0sty | led controller stops working | 13:24 |
| Gh0sty | and usually works for like half a day after I let it run out of battery | 13:24 |
| Gh0sty | and plug it in then | 13:24 |
| Gh0sty | ... :/ | 13:24 |
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| M30W | :/ | 13:26 |
| * M30W will fix his N900 tomorrow maybe.. Maybe on the weekend | 13:26 | |
| M30W | Thu Feb 21 22:26:24 EST 2013 | 13:26 |
| * M30W shall use Huwaie X1 (upgraded to android 4) in the mean time.... :/ | 13:26 | |
| * M30W wants his N900 ♥ | 13:26 | |
| M30W | Best phone I've ever had. Death #3 | 13:28 |
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| M30W | Hehe | 13:28 |
| M30W | One of which I take fault for..... Using dead multiboot. | 13:28 |
| M30W | This is just wtf happened? | 13:28 |
| M30W | The first time wasn't dead, but reflash experimenting and somehow failed. | 13:28 |
| M30W | Okay.. Good night world, Gh0sty Good luck with your LED. | 13:29 |
| * M30W attempts boot with no sd or sim | 13:30 | |
| M30W | (Before going to bed) | 13:30 |
| M30W | nope | 13:31 |
| M30W | Dead | 13:31 |
| M30W | :'( | 13:31 |
| M30W | okay.. Night again ^_^ | 13:31 |
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| M30W | Hmm | 13:44 |
| * M30W decided to boot and flash :P | 13:44 | |
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| * M30W must say that flash was very fast and now so much to do... (To fix/get everything I want back) | 13:54 | |
| M30W | Thankfully it even knows what song was playing :P | 13:54 |
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| starkwiz | any idea why i see deb http:// entries directly in application manager and cannot be deleted or disabled ? | 18:11 |
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| kerio | because you have those entries in /etc/apt/sources.list or some other file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | 18:12 |
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| starkwiz | I should remove then ? | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I assume you're talking about that insane zoo of system catalogs the latest CSSU introduced? | 18:16 |
| starkwiz | maybe not sure, I just renamed those files check app manager again. | 18:17 |
| starkwiz | those entries are gone. | 18:17 |
| starkwiz | So, they are not needed ? | 18:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't assume | 18:18 |
| kerio | he said "deb http://" entries in application manager | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw based on a really funny rationale, like: they are needed by $somestuff, so we make them system so user can't accidentally delete them. No matter he then could accidentally *enable* catalogs that for sure shouldn't | 18:18 |
| kerio | starkwiz: how did they end up there? | 18:18 |
| starkwiz | that's a good question. | 18:19 |
| starkwiz | I remember playing with apt-get | 18:19 |
| starkwiz | :) | 18:19 |
| starkwiz | but i didn't create the files in sources.list.d | 18:20 |
| starkwiz | i m shifting to skeiron repo. I didn't check for updates for a month now. | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there probably are no updates since a month | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since autobuilder is broken | 18:21 |
| starkwiz | :( | 18:22 |
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| starkwiz | what is the fastest way to add repos without manually typing them ? | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and definitely skeiron did no update of repo from root apt since a month | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | click on an .install file | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 18:24 |
| infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 18:24 |
| starkwiz | thanks. you make pretty good use of that infobot. | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm supposed to, since I got +o on it | 18:25 |
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| Drathir | its really sad that i cant find moc inside repo... | 18:40 |
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| Drathir | thats really good and easy to use console music player... | 18:42 |
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| thedead1440 | Drathir: not cmus? | 18:54 |
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| Drathir | thedead1440: no, but i check this also ty... | 18:59 |
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| Drathir | thedead1440: mocp is little different than cmus, but this also can be enough thanks a lot... | 19:28 |
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| teotwaki | This is probably one of the funniest tickets I've received at this company | 21:26 |
| teotwaki | "Freddie was subject to a threeway he didn't expect. As he pretty young, he didn't know how to handle this situation. Would it be possible for <the devs> to analyse what happened between Michelle F., Marie B. and Freddie?" | 21:28 |
| teotwaki | I'm tempted to reject it with reason: CAN'T FIX - Great chemistry at work. | 21:28 |
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| r00t^home | my n900 stopped booting... battery is full, only shows the white nokia logo screen, the developer mode icon, but no text, and then turns off again | 22:30 |
| r00t^home | (usb is broken, so can't easily try using that...) | 22:31 |
| jacekowski | flash it | 22:31 |
| r00t^home | boot menu also doesn't work | 22:31 |
| r00t^home | so it's probably the bootloader? or some hardware issue? | 22:32 |
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| r00t^home | well, good thing i have a spare n900 ;( - bad thing i don't have a recent backup | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | definie thing you have to fix your USB | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitive* | 22:49 |
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