IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-12-21

uncloudedno idea.  maybe I should look at the source for the watchdog package after I've rebuilt the fs from scratch.  at least I can make notes this time00:00
merlin1991unclouded: which watchdog?00:00
merlin1991you can disable a few with flasher00:00
uncloudedN900.  I read that NOLO sets up the watchdog and it needs attention periodically otherwise it will power down00:01
keriocan't we unsetup it?00:01
uncloudedso if an initrd wants to spend time with fsck then it should also reset the watchdog timer periodically00:02
merlin1991if you set the device into r&d mode a few watchdog related things are turned off00:02
int_uaIIRC, developer mode00:02
merlin1991just for testing00:02
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keriomerlin1991: does NOLO also enable the serial console that uses up power?00:03
merlin1991kerio: don't ask me, I only have the high level view of that stuff :D00:03
keriofeature request for Pali: kernel module to pet the watchdog00:04
merlin1991kerio the idea is to pet the watchdog from userspace so you can grab situations where the system has gone bonkers in userspace00:05
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merlin1991a kernel module would leave you with a basically useless watchdog00:06
keriowe don't have that for normal computers, why do we have that for the n900?00:06
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merlin1991because the n900 is more than a computer ;)00:06
keriowhy? what does it have?00:06
uncloudeddoesn't the kernel already have support?  we have to do something to /dev/twl4030_wdt ( from userspace)00:06
kerioan integrated modem?00:06
merlin1991and you don't worry about burning through your batter in the night when you pc is running00:06
keriounclouded: i meant something that actually tickles the watchdog, not something that only provides access00:06
merlin1991whilst a mad userspace on the n900 can ruin your connectivity when you need it00:06
uncloudedah, I understand now00:07
keriomerlin1991: a mad userspace is something to fix00:07
merlin1991kerio: it is still desireable to recover from a mad user space on a battery based system00:08
keriomy laptop doesn't do that!00:08
* kerio is against all things nokia00:08
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merlin1991ping ludens00:09
merlin1991err luf00:09
merlin1991stufu non context aware autocoplete :D00:10
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luke-jr_anyone want to have an IRC new years party in #tonal tonight? <.<00:35
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janemba_Where can I download openvpn package ? It seems that .install have a corrupt URL or maemo extras repository does not contain this package00:40
lufjanemba_: have you tried ?00:43
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lufThere is openvpn package in extras:
luf.... and also newer in extras-devel (but extras should be more stable). It's not good idea to use extras-devel if you don't know what are you doing.00:51
janemba_luf: yes00:51
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lufjanemba_: I checked it with apt-get now and it works.00:53
lufjanemba_: Have you tried HAM?00:53
janemba_luf: hmmm...I'm using FAM but maybe I need to update my repos00:54
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lufMaybe yes. I did apt-get update; apt-get install openvpn00:55
lufAnd also check apt-cache show openvpn00:55
keriojanemba_: don't use fapman00:55
kerioit's kinda bad00:55
janemba_kerio: oh ? So what AM should I use ?00:56
lufjanemba_: HAM00:56
kerioif you want to use a graphical one, use HAM00:56
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int_uakerio: why is it bad?00:57
lufint_ua: it's too fast ;)00:58
lufI think it's ok when you don't upgrade cssu using fapman. But I saw such warning several time on maemo-cssu.00:58
int_uakerio: it's a nokia thing, isn't it? ;)00:58
kerioint_ua: no, fapman isn't from nokia00:59
kerioit just does some freaky shit with dpkg00:59
int_ualuf: I upgrade CSSU using FAM00:59
int_uakerio: HAM is nokia, I mean :)01:00
keriooh, it is01:00
keriothat's why it's hopelessly bad01:00
int_uathat's what I'm saying01:00
int_uawhat exactly with dpkg?01:01
janemba_do you use openvpn-applet01:01
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int_uajanemba_: I did a year ago01:02
kerioint_ua: it uses its own repo cache, and last time i heard it didn't run some pre*/post* scripts01:02
janemba_int_ua: Did you encounter some issues to import your vpn files ?01:03
int_uakerio: oh, so that's why I had to reinstall u-boot in terminal01:03
int_uajanemba_: IIRC, no, do you?01:03
int_uakerio: any bugreport link to follow?01:03
janemba_int_ua: it's ok I use openvpn from command-line :)01:04
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BCMMhow well does XMPP work on the n900?01:24
BCMMi'm trying to test it with Gajim on my desktop, and they send IM to each other fine but both claim the other can't do voice calls01:24
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roostrus`For me it's even skype calls do not work properly01:27
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DocScrutinizer05((so that's why I had to reinstall u-boot in terminal)) exactly. uBoot is one of those pkgs that definitely fail in fapman01:50
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int_uaDoc: any packages list to start investigating what causes that?02:11
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DocScrutinizer05it's pretty simple what causes that in this particular case: someting in the pre-install script doesn't work under fapman02:39
DocScrutinizer05I guess it is a requester02:39
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe it's not this, maybe it's just fapman's missing ability to to install system components02:40
DocScrutinizer05which need this "the phone will not work (not even emergency calls) during that time"02:41
DocScrutinizer05and a reboot02:41
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DocScrutinizer05check out sysupd02:42
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Macerthis wrt610n is running like crap02:53
Maceram i missing something here?02:54
DocScrutinizer05fapman is deliberately simplistic to gain a bit of speed against HAM02:54
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DocScrutinizer05int_ua: look, HAM sourcecode is open, yet somebody thought it was a good idea to start from scratch building an app manager rather than improving HAM03:03
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: what's your guess of the quality of the design of such an app?03:04
DocScrutinizer05"duh, I don't get what this is meant to do, let's omit it. And that's exactly the same, so scratch that too. And this looks overly complicated, I bet I can find a simpler algo"03:06
DocScrutinizer05"look! it's a FAAAAST app, I'll call it fapman"03:06
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robbiethe1stBah, apt-get is where it's at!03:08
DocScrutinizer05even apt-get fails for some pkgs03:09
DocScrutinizer05well, at least it's not exactly working as expected03:10
DocScrutinizer05mind that apt-get upgrade is strongly deprecated03:10
DocScrutinizer05and apt-get dist-upgrade is outright forbidden03:11
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SpeedEvilapt-get dist-upgrade puts wp7 on it.03:13
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I have yet to run over a pkg where apt-get failed03:15
merlin1991but I never tried todo firwmare updates with it03:15
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DocScrutinizer05well, probably that statement about pkgs that don't work was not to the point, it's more like there are missing command options in apt-get to do all that HAM does03:51
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DocScrutinizer05once you know your pkg names, an apt-get install [--$<other-options>] $<pkgname> will usually work, I guess03:52
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spoofyI cannot install scratchbox (apt-get update in install script failed), is is down?05:17
spoofyIs there any mirror?05:17
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SpeedEvil most people are asleep at this time05:47
spoofyNot me..05:47
SpeedEvilyou may get a better response if you ask 4 hours ago05:47
spoofyI should making a new nmap and other goodies for maemo..05:48
SpeedEvilnever used scratch box myself05:48
SpeedEvilthem limited development I've done has been on device05:48
spoofycan you just open website?05:49
spoofySpeedEvil: I'm making a PPwniePhone maemo os image..05:49
SpeedEvilstill loading05:49
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SpeedEvilstill, so I think it's fair to say down05:50
spoofyend of the world..05:50
spoofydamn it05:50
spoofyIt's 5am in my timezone right now05:51
SpeedEvil4 hetre05:51
spoofySo maemo users will not have a nice christmas gift05:53
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uncloudedit was down when I tried the other day too05:55
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spoofy < This is just a working nmap 6.0105:58
spoofynot optified version05:58
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spoofyI have a fully working (not freezing and glitching) newest metasploit on my n90005:59
spoofyand much more..06:00
* SpeedEvil has mialaid his n900.06:00
SpeedEvilit's in the house somewhere...06:00
uncloudedcan you still SSH in to it?06:01
SpeedEvilbattery dead06:01
SpeedEvilI think06:01
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uncloudedI was hoping you would be able to get in and make it make some noise :(06:03
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spoofyDocScrutinizer06: Hi06:03
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spoofyugh damn it..06:04
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int_uaDocScrutinizer05: I think HAM would be more tolerable if it showed any progressbar. But the way it is now it gets me furious. Like "WTF is it doing?! Talking to Curiosity through DTN?"06:47
int_uaIf apt-get is really broken I'm veeeeery disappointed. If it was done by nokia... I'll get over it. It would better be nokia.06:49
int_uaalso, HAM lacks checkboxes for selective upgrade. Did you try to upgrade, like, 5 packages in it?06:51
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* int_ua launched update check in HAM. Observed it saying nothing for almost 5 minutes. 4:50.06:58
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: HAM uses a different algorithm to solve dependencies09:55
keriothere's an option to make it use APT's09:55
kerioint_ua: at some point (with extras-devel enabled and the option to show every package) i clocked HAM's apt-worker taking 100% cpu for 14 minutes before becoming reactive again09:56
kerioint_ua: anyway, apt works, but it doesn't support killing everything except itself to update system packages in bulk09:57
keriofor instance, installing cssu-thumb without an already thumby kernel would be impossible09:57
kerioPali: would kernel-cssu install silently over stock if you've got fiasco-image-update-ask installed?09:58
kerioand/or is the launched binary optified?09:59
Palikerio, it checking kernel version string10:00
Paliif kernel has different substring it will ask10:00
kerioPali: isn't the thing that asks for confirmation part of HAM?10:00
Palithat dialog window is binary application in HAM package10:01
kerioso if that's thumby...10:03
keriodoes HAM have a special case for itself?10:03
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* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass10:37
int_uaI thought it was penguin10:38
* DocScrutinizer05 opens letterbox. No apocalypse...10:38
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jaska (december 21 relevant)10:42
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: elop's house!10:43
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: without elop we never would've seen jolla10:51
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DocScrutinizer05jaska: exactly what I just did, just the outside not been bright and hot but dim, cold, and rain washing away the snow10:52
DocScrutinizer05rain on snow is a very effective method of nature to increase the amount of suddenly to dissipate water per area, thus creating nice floods10:54
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jaskai wish... -20c11:01
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kerioit's about +20 here11:04
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kerioactually no, more like +1511:04
keriobut i've still got the flu :c11:04
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DocScrutinizer05HAIL DEAR SUN!!!!13:11
DocScrutinizer05come up again now13:11
DocScrutinizer05see? I'm the master of sun13:12
StyXmanDocScrutinizer05: dunno, it's cloudy here, I can't see the sun13:13
DocScrutinizer05believe me, it obeyed ;-D13:13
DocScrutinizer05going higher for northern hemisphere since ~2 min now13:14
SpeedEvilthe sun is a lie13:16
jpinxstill going strong here in asia13:16
SpeedEvilbeen doing this for a couple of days now13:16
jpinxunless it just doesn't come up tomorrow....  :(13:16
SpeedEvil50mm rain, and cloud 24 hours13:17
DocScrutinizer05maybe you could use some of the golden yellow of this critter
DocScrutinizer05I'm hoping for the auction ending soon, so I'm not doing sth silly until then13:19
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SpeedEvilselling, or buying?13:34
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DocScrutinizer05buying, of course13:41
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: if I do, will you volunteer for my first live target? X-P13:43
RST38hNo, but I would like a Youtube video of that!13:43
DocScrutinizer05check out the already existing tubevid13:45
DocScrutinizer05this critter probably actually can lure down lightning into that mirror13:46
* DocScrutinizer05 is temped to go and probe resistance of beam ion channel with a multimeter ;-P13:48
DocScrutinizer05I mean, up to 5kW pulses13:48
DocScrutinizer05GRRRRR, I should drill my mains13:49
DocScrutinizer05will help at least fro the DSL router13:49
DocScrutinizer05to stop me from bidding for it13:49
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SpeedEvilI wish it was possible to remotely share these things.14:22
SpeedEvilI mean, you could easily get several people willing to pay a couple of hundred, if they could use it at home in an hours notice14:23
StyXmanSpeedEvil: sounds like a hacklab14:24
SpeedEvilyeah, that sort of thing,14:25
SpeedEvildoesn't work so well when in the sticks with no car though.14:25
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DocScrutinizer05now THAT's what I call a laserprinter:
DocScrutinizer05>>Schneiden von Pappe:<< DAFAQ!15:37
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RST38hDoc: here is a question for you:
RST38hDoc: What was it?15:38
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: nfc. A pattern to cover an area with continuous path as uniformly as possible?15:50
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: nah, that would have to be an iterated step of a space-filling curve15:54
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keriothat spiky stuff can't fill shit15:54
RST38hDoc: Nope15:54
RST38hDoc: This is what the plastic tray looks like after you use it to cut cabbage for the salad. With an industrial laser cutter.15:55
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amospallaguys, does media player sort songs by track number?16:58
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amospallait seems it does, but for some reason, I assumed it didn't for some quite time :/17:14
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ShadowJKIt depends on Id3 tags, iirc17:27
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amospallaShadowJK: it's all tagged, yes17:32
amospallaI tested it right now, and it does sort by track number (but does not show it)17:32
kerioit depends on what that POS tracker decided17:32
ShadowJKIirc it doesn't sort properly if you've got an album in a directory, and numbered filenames17:34
kerioit doesn't sort properly if tracker decides to shit itself and fails to read correct Id3 tags17:36
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ShadowJKthat too ;p17:38
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peterxHi! I have some problem with my n900. I installed nitdroid, it worked quite well for some weeks, I was able to reboot to maemo several times. But now, the phone is in some kind of boot loop. Using flasher to boot other initrd images works, but I cannot get back to my old system.17:44
peterxthe nokia logo appears and when it disappears, the phone seems to be off again17:45
kerio*how* did you install nitdroid?17:45
peterxI used the auto-installer17:46
peterxcould it be enough to re-flash some initrd image?17:46
keriomaemo doesn't use initrd17:46
peterxactually I am not sure if I know how the multiboot process actually works17:47
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keriomultiboot is a piece of crap17:47
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peterxcan I replace it using flasher?17:47
keriopeterx: did you uninstall the stock kernel modules in your fremantle install?17:48
peterxkerio: I am not sure17:48
keriodid you install a different kernel?17:48
peterxkerio: there were some errors regarding conflicting packages17:48
peterxI am not sure which package ended up installed at the end, but I think I replaced it17:48
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keriopeterx: how "much" can you boot now?17:49
peterxkerio: anything that is loaded from flasher17:49
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kerioand nothing else?17:50
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peterxkerio: nothing else17:50
keriotry flashing the kernel17:50
peterxalso it seems that the backlight is not always turned on17:50
peterxwhich one?17:50
kerioflasher-3.5 -F COMBINED.bin --flash-only=kernel -f17:50
keriothe one from COMBINED17:51
kerio(aka the stock one)17:51
keriopeterx: also note that nitdroid-installer is a piece of shit17:53
peterxkerio: I only wonder why it worked so lang17:56
peterxmaemo also reported some issues with faulty memory17:56
peterxwhen connecting it via usb17:56
peterxso perhaps it is the flash wearing out??17:56
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keriocan you pastebin the actual output from flasher?17:57
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peterxkerio: sure18:01
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peterxkerio: ok, most of the information is about the image. the flashing process only says 1705 kB and "done"18:04
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peterxkerio: ah great, at least the menu appears now18:04
keriomultiboot is also a huge piece of crap18:05
peterxkerio: ah, it's back from the dead!18:06
peterxthank you very much18:06
keriobackup your data and do a full reflash, really18:07
peterxkerio: hm, I rather backup my data and move to a different phone18:09
kerioyou mean move to a phone18:10
keriounless you were actually using android18:10
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peterxusing android as a phone on the n900 is the only thing that does not work...18:12
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freemangordon~seen ivgalvez18:26
infobotivgalvez <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 23h 19m 1s ago, saying: 'speak later'.18:26
freemangordonnice :(18:26
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spoofyDocScrutinizer05: Can you tell me how to install scratchbox? It seems that is offline. What Can I do? :/20:27
DocScrutinizer05get a vmware image20:28
DocScrutinizer05ther should be one rather outdated one I think20:28
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: on vmware image I can't compile ruby - processor/core/module? error20:28
spoofyYeah it's on ubuntu 10.04 lts20:28
DocScrutinizer05or ask merlin1991or thedead1440 or crahsanddie/teotwaki if they got mirrors20:29
spoofyI want to give a christmas gift to maemo users..20:29
spoofy < This is the only mirror I can find20:30
spoofybut It's not "mirror" it's a backup of scratchbox20:30
spoofyand it's not working with apt to install from script20:31
DocScrutinizer05ask the pretty active guys around CSSU, they might have a solution, esp merlin199120:31
DocScrutinizer05Pali, freemangordon20:32
* spoofy pokes merlin1991 20:32
spoofyOk. I'll do that ;)20:32
spoofythx btw.20:32
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DocScrutinizer05I'm just drowning in stuff on my dish, regarding all this maemo et al migration & backup / mirroring & continued services topic20:33
DocScrutinizer05yw, thanks for bringing up the topic20:33
DocScrutinizer05it's nearly impossible to pick up on all the loose ends20:34
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: All existing services will be available after backup?20:34
DocScrutinizer05no matter where you look, everywhere stuff is dangling, loose, or already falling off the far end of the table20:35
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: no idea, really20:35
spoofyI can pay for a hosting to help the community20:35
DocScrutinizer05scratchbox for example is a pretty new and unclear construction site20:35
DocScrutinizer05see fundraiser thread20:35
spoofyrly... It's extreme important to have all of this stuff20:36
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* I'm aware of that20:36
spoofyI know that maemo 4< is dead right now but fremantle is not20:36
spoofyn900 is still a best (clearly based on debian) phone20:36
spoofyI beg of you - don't let the world end!20:37
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spoofyI have many sources to make and upload updated packages to extras-devel repo20:39
spoofyFor example nmap, ruby, subversion, midori20:39
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DocScrutinizer05also join board about what's going on, oh wait you're supposed to do that via council (I.E. *me* :-o)20:43
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: I'm not registred on forum yet (shame on me)20:44
spoofyI planned to do that after release of PPP20:44
DocScrutinizer05you don't need a registration to click that paypal link20:45
spoofyIt's seems that you have a money to pay for hosting at next month. I don't have alot of money (I'm a polish student ;) ), but you can count on me for a small payment20:47
DocScrutinizer05you can help with organisational stuff as well, keep track of what's backup'ed where, what's not backuped at all yet, and answer questions here or even on tmo (should work for another 6 days at least, and registration should be low-effort and fast)20:48
spoofyfrom TMO: "Good idea, i think the Jolla guys should be our most likely allies." I agree with that20:49
DocScrutinizer05well, most of us do20:49
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DocScrutinizer05except ... nah, I'm not going to throw mud here20:49
spoofyDid someone contact with jolla guys about this stuff?20:49
DocScrutinizer05I mustn't (SIC!) talk about it20:50
DocScrutinizer05and that's not jolla's fault20:50
spoofyuh :/20:50
DocScrutinizer05yeah, somebody going a tiny bit nuts20:51
DocScrutinizer05I mean, this is a open community, even jolla insists in that20:51
spoofyI know that mer/harmattan/sailfish is a whole another story but fremantle is a "father"20:52
spoofyof meego/mer etc.20:52
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: just another thing on my plate, since it seems nobody else is willing to handle it in a sensible manner20:52
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spoofyUgh.. I can only update most of critical stuff i.e. ruby and port other things to make fremantle still usable20:55
spoofybtw. I'm from arcean20:55
DocScrutinizer05nokia had a funny insane NDA policy. Seems some of the maemo 'entities' try to mimic Nokia in more than just this regard, and maybe even top it20:55
RST38hDoc: Haven't you figured it out since times?20:56
RST38hDoc: For some people,creating policies is the only "contribution" they can make, the only accomplishment20:56
DocScrutinizer05indeed, looks like you got a point there20:57
RST38hDoc: So they keep creating those, while everybody else scuttles to work around them20:57
spoofythat's true20:57
DocScrutinizer05well, when I got 2introduced" into council, it was made utterly clear to me that there is NO NDA whatsoever20:58
spoofybut I'm not right person to judge.20:58
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DocScrutinizer05so I'm pretty puzzled to hear that now other entities are actively pushing NDA crap20:59
RST38hwhat other entities? jolla?20:59
DocScrutinizer05though those entities are as well a spawn of community20:59
DocScrutinizer05*not* jolla!20:59
spoofyI prefer to do something first and THEN talk about it.. ugh nvm20:59
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: just keep in faith and do not give up ;)21:00
DocScrutinizer05lemme put it this way: in HF there's one or two layers too many21:00
DocScrutinizer05lawyers :-d21:00
DocScrutinizer05just like there been way too many lawyers involved into
spoofyif anyone will have some information about scratchbox PLEASE let me know21:02
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ping ^^^^21:02
* DocScrutinizer05 mumbles "approaching *sponsors* with an NDA, what an utter nonsense"21:05
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DocScrutinizer05probably once more born from mere ignorance of RL practice in administration of stuff etc21:08
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, cya guys, it's solstice eve here21:10
DocScrutinizer05and I wasted the best hour of the evening for a council meeting that defacto didn't even happen21:11
DocScrutinizer05balance for this week::    offered:2h/week for council work, spent:~25h this week21:12
DocScrutinizer05most of it wasted though21:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: to be fair, the rest of the council seemed happy without you21:14
kerioor at least the HF board21:14
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kerioohai spoofy21:15
keriois your debian going well?21:15
spoofykerio: hayo ;)21:15
spoofymy debian? I reinstall it to aptosid :D21:16
DocScrutinizer05it's just that I'm not happy with the way the board performs right now, and I'm not the only one feeling like this21:16
spoofyDoc.. I just beg of you.. Don't let the maemo die..21:17
DocScrutinizer05and for council it's not much better21:17
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: I already shot most of my powder21:17
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keriospoofy: it's not like your n900 is going to suddenly stop working though21:17
DocScrutinizer05only so much I can do when other entities or persons don't play along21:17
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yes it is21:18
keriolosing the knowledge base would suck balls, ofc21:18
spoofycritical stuff is repositories, scratchbox21:18
spoofythen the forum and wiki stuff21:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: bit rot isn't that fast of a process21:19
DocScrutinizer05critical stuff is a list of stuff, first and foremost21:19
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you got NO idea21:19
spoofykerio: my n900 is going well :) Yesterday I bought a DC-16 and new otterbox :)21:19
DocScrutinizer05see 'bitrot' of wiki21:19
spoofynokia care replaced board after usb break21:19
DocScrutinizer05kerio: see signing keys for repos21:20
keriospoofy: watch out for the pieces of plastic that sit right below the keyboard, they're easily broken if you remove the otterbox carelessly21:20
DocScrutinizer05kerio: see URLs suddently dangling21:20
qwazixspoofy, wow! New board from Nokia AND new otterbox!21:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: dangling urls? where?21:21
DocScrutinizer05not yet, just a threat21:21
spoofyand new 16Gb 10class sdhc sandisk and I ordered new 1500mAh polarcell battery ;P ultimate setup21:21
DocScrutinizer05due to happen maybe one week into the future21:21
DocScrutinizer05though for scratchbox it's already true21:21
keriospoofy: what are you going to use the uSD for?21:21
DocScrutinizer05it seems21:21
spoofynvm kerio I already know that :) I broke my first otterbox like that :D21:22
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qwazixspoofy, both otterbox and usb fix from Nokia are considered miracles nowadays...21:22
spoofykerio: few partitions i.e. fat, partition for truecrypt, partition for swap21:23
spoofyqwazix: my board was produced in 2012.11 ;)21:23
keriospoofy: then you probably wanted an old class421:23
kerioclass 10 uSDs suck at random I/O21:23
spoofyit seems that nokia order a few boards ;)21:23
kerioeven sandisk ones21:23
kerioqwazix: i bought an otterbox brand new from amazon italy this summer21:24
spoofykerio: ... <speechless> and you tellin me this NOW? Oh my god.21:24
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: you ever managed a server with high visibility, a lot of traffic, and quite a constant load of DoS attacks?21:24
spoofyDoc I do ;)21:24
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, not really. Biggest server I've managed, news site, about 25000 visits/day21:25
qwazixno DoS attacks yet fortunately21:25
spoofyDoS attacks.. ugh kids gettin a botnets for a few BTC21:25
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: you really should talk to Reggie before volunteering for that particular job, then21:26
spoofythere's no chance to aware of that - even hardware ids like cisco don't help21:26
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, I just volunteered for doing the moving, not managing the new server21:27
keriomeh, buying a botnet for bitcoins21:27
kerioyou can buy much better things with bitcoins21:27
DocScrutinizer05haha, seems somebody at board got that pretty wrong then21:27
qwazixwhich according to board is not going to be needed so I'm dismissed21:27
spoofyyeah to make your own :P21:27
DocScrutinizer05kudos to board's technical expertise21:28
qwazixAnd I even did that reluctantly just because I felt it would be a shame if tmo was not moved just because nobody cared to do the move.21:28
spoofyqwazix: agree :)21:28
DocScrutinizer05honestly I've got the terrible feeling that board is deciding on technical micromanagement with no experience *at all* in that domain21:29
qwazixRe tmo move, Reggie said will help do it so I'm pretty confident it will go well :)21:30
qwazixDon't know about the rest though.21:31
DocScrutinizer05Reggie said he wil help moving the database21:31
DocScrutinizer05not more21:31
qwazixMoving the files and redirecting the DNS shouldn't be anything terrible though.21:31
spoofyugh.. mysqldump & cp..21:32
qwazixyeah, that21:32
DocScrutinizer05all the comments from board's site however prove they don't even know the difference between a vserver and a dedicated server, not to mention requirements of management vs managed servers21:32
qwazixAIUI they're moving everything to vservers until the boxes arrive at nemein21:33
DocScrutinizer05no, Nemein is doing that21:33
qwazixyes, that, my bad.21:33
spoofyI thought that maemo is intended for Linux users..21:34
DocScrutinizer05board is doing pretty much nothing regarding technical stuff, but tries micromanagement21:34
qwazixfrom there however there's no indication whether they'll just move the vm's onto the new boxes, or migrate services again21:34
DocScrutinizer05Nemein definitely won't move twice21:34
qwazix'they' == whoever will do it21:35
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DocScrutinizer05so forget that stuff, Nemein moves the shite to the new boxen when installed (btw 2HE I heard, per box)21:35
DocScrutinizer05and then it's up to board21:36
DocScrutinizer05which in my book still doesn't feel really familiar with the whole problem21:36
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DocScrutinizer05and since they are not familiar with it, they can't ask the right questions to Nemein, just pestering them with "noob noise"21:38
DocScrutinizer05the professional admins I placed on the CC of that notorious mail, they got so pissed that they are even blaming me for that now21:39
DocScrutinizer05while everybody inside this maemo "management" waterhead just ignored them completely21:39
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DocScrutinizer05I mean, I know such stuff from the 'inside a company' perspective21:40
qwazixI just don't think those things are done via commitee21:41
DocScrutinizer05from that POV council and board are acting worse than worst users right now21:41
qwazix(in such a short time that is)21:41
qwazixRight thing to do is appoint one BoD member do the job. Only one person talks with pro admin which get's paid to oversee the migration,21:42
qwazixplanning things with HF's interests in mind21:42
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: they are not meant to be done from inside any such commitee at all21:42
DocScrutinizer05HF is here to delegate21:42
DocScrutinizer05not to do micromanagement on technical stuff21:42
qwazixyes that (my english skills are already on vacation)21:43
DocScrutinizer05but they don't delegate at all, they oscillate between doing nothing and micromanagement21:43
DocScrutinizer05where "doing nothing2 only means they probably do their lawyer talks during that time21:44
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DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure their plate is more than full with organizational stuff for getting funds etc, and finding proper arrangements to delegate responsibilities21:45
qwazixit looks like my phone died from low battery :)21:45
DocScrutinizer05so they shouldn't talk to Nemein21:46
DocScrutinizer05they should delegate that21:46
DocScrutinizer05but what they do is not even inviting anybody to eventually delegate that stuff to, to such talks21:47
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qwazixMillion Dollar Question: We know the servers that are being bought, why is there no indication about the co-lo cost from Nemein?21:47
spoofyDoc: Again I beg of you.. Just hit someone who is responsible and DO NOT let the maemo die21:48
DocScrutinizer05for Nemein as well as for my sysadmin friends and me that feels like we're doing 1st level help desk to a user called Hildon Foundation21:48
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DocScrutinizer05cya, my friend waiting for me21:49
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: I'm not going to let maemo down, but again I'm not wonderwarthog, my powers are limited21:49
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spoofyDocScrutinizer05: just.. Do what you can do best and keep in faith21:50
spoofyI can only make update's and port stuff to maemo to make it usable21:50
DocScrutinizer05huh? how about taking a part time responsibility as a co-admin?21:51
spoofyand give a small donation21:51
qwazixOff Topic: how do you configure xchat to join after registering with nicserv?21:51
DocScrutinizer05join channels?21:51
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: I can help if there will be a problem. I can secure whole platform21:52
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, yep21:52
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: much appreciated, please mail me at joerg at openmoko dot org21:52
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: I will ;)21:52
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: longpress on channel tab (not in tree config)21:52
DocScrutinizer05add to favourites21:52
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: rather: council at maemo dot org, CC <me>21:53
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i think he wants to wait for identification before joining21:53
kerioqwazix: login to the server with "user:pass" as the password21:53
kerioand hope the services change your host before you join21:54
kerioor use SASL21:54
keriowhich is the shit21:54
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, already in favorites, but it joins freenode, then channels, then registers nick21:54
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DocScrutinizer05I know21:54
DocScrutinizer05see kario's comment21:54
DocScrutinizer05user:password as server password is the trick21:54
qwazixwill try that, thanks21:54
DocScrutinizer05use your 'root' account name21:55
DocScrutinizer05which is qwazix as well, it seems21:55
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you know you can change which one is your main one, right?21:55
DocScrutinizer05no I don't know that21:56
DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-21 20:55:28] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on qwazix (account qwazix):21:56
DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-21 20:56:23] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on kerio (account kerio):21:56
DocScrutinizer05go change your account name please! ;-P21:56
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: ugh my mail client isn't working yet.. please mail me and describe all problems about servers and I'll see what I can do : spoofy at os dot pl ;)21:56
kerioyou're the weird one21:57
DocScrutinizer05as you claimed it can be done?21:57
qwazixWill the N900 charge faster on a 4A charger?21:57
DocScrutinizer05cya fellas21:57
ShadowJKqwazix; nope.21:57
DocScrutinizer05ping me on DocScrutinizer5121:57
DocScrutinizer05if some emergency21:57
kerioDocScrutinizer05: /ns set accountname21:57
qwazixShadowJK, what's the max that it can take advantage of?21:57
DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks21:58
kerioB :)21:58
kerio B:)21:58
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: 1A21:58
kerio  B) DEAL WITH IT21:58
keriodammit you broke the combo21:58
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, thanks21:58
kerioDocScrutinizer05: isn't it 1.1?21:58
DocScrutinizer05kerio: more like 0.9521:59
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DocScrutinizer05possibly less21:59
DocScrutinizer05but that doesn't make the world go down21:59
ShadowJKqwazix; the maximum power it will charge battery with is 4.2V 0.95A.21:59
ShadowJKSo 5V/1A input should cover that fine22:00
DocScrutinizer05~0.95*4.2/5 / 0.822:00
qwazixSo if I plug it in an 4A charger, it will just use 0.95 right?22:00
DocScrutinizer05for 80% efficiency22:00
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qwazixNo harm doing it?22:00
ShadowJKAs long as it's 5V, no harm22:00
qwazixShadowJK, thanks.22:01
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ShadowJKAGPS data use for 3 hours: 300kbyte22:06
ShadowJK(gps active, indoors, only occasional gps fixes succeed)22:07
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DocScrutinizer51qwazix: use ZNC or another irc bouncer, and you're rid of that login problem22:25
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* qwazix notes down to read about irc bouncers22:25
DocScrutinizer51do a /whois on my nick22:26
DocScrutinizer51an irc bouncer is basically a proxy22:26
qwazixYes, I see the result in the other tab, I suppose is the bouncer?22:28
kerioShadowJK: that's not a lot22:28
DocScrutinizer51my bouncer runs on my lagrange server22:29
DocScrutinizer51aka maemo cloud-7 de22:29
qwazixok, that was my next guess :)22:29
kerio ?22:29
keriooh, not that la grange :(22:29
qwazixSo you are always logged in there (cloud7), and you just access it from your pc?22:30
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DocScrutinizer51I access the bouncer from my n90022:31
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DocScrutinizer51and the bouncer is always logged in22:31
DocScrutinizer51and keeps backscroll for me22:31
qwazixsounds cool.22:31
DocScrutinizer51it is cool22:32
DocScrutinizer51see PM22:32
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