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| MrPingu | Anybody knows a typing-game like 10fastfingers.com? | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: start with lemmings or Numptyphysics | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err wait, in our world that's pingus | 00:18 |
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| MrPingu | It used to work good on microB but now it they changed to website to a much heavier version | 00:19 |
| MrPingu | Lemmings works good on dosbox + ext mouse through hostmode and tvout :) | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmings_(video_game) vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingus ;-D | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome improvement on a 8*8 pixel animation :-D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lemming_animation.gif | 00:26 |
| MrPingu | Besides, anybody noticed google stopped providing special-maemo search results | 00:28 |
| MrPingu | Now it redirects to the full google :( | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I already forgot they ever did | 00:29 |
| MrPingu | Well it's for some time already but I don't like it | 00:32 |
| MrPingu | takes longer to load | 00:32 |
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| MrPingu | awh only 29 WPM on N900 | 00:48 |
| MrPingu | http://www.wordsperminutetest.com/ | 00:48 |
| vi_ | try it with OSK. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | :-) | 00:51 |
| MrPingu | http://www.speedtypingonline.com/typing-test | 00:52 |
| MrPingu | 57 wpm | 00:52 |
| MrPingu | I miss the old 10fastfingers, it was very compatible with microB :( | 00:53 |
| MrPingu | No OSK sucks :P | 00:53 |
| vi_ | wtf is debootstrap? | 00:56 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, lemmings can be used for simulation of KMP :D | 01:00 |
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| deepy\SIGSEGV | kerio: I need you! | 01:01 |
| vi | SAID NOBODY EVER. | 01:02 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | It's a case of logarithms and python | 01:02 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | I'm accepting substitutes since vi's outburst | 01:03 |
| vi | substituts for logirithms? | 01:03 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | vi: also, debootstrap is awesome, it deploys a debian base system into a directory of your choice | 01:03 |
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| vi | gtg | 01:04 |
| vi | bb | 01:04 |
| vi | :q | 01:04 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | vi: http://dpaste.org/20iE5/ I have that and I am 90% sure it works | 01:04 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | ciao | 01:04 |
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| kerio | deepy\SIGSEGV: ohai | 01:32 |
| kerio | deepy\SIGSEGV: you fail so hard D: | 01:32 |
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| deepy\SIGSEGV | kerio: yes I do | 01:33 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | I don't know math :D | 01:33 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | So I take it, it's not working? | 01:34 |
| kerio | it's... nonsensical | 01:35 |
| kerio | also use math.log | 01:35 |
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| kerio | why b-1 if the result isn't exact? | 01:35 |
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| deepy\SIGSEGV | kerio: I'm not allowed to use math.log | 01:36 |
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| deepy\SIGSEGV | also, shouldn't it return 0 if the result is too small? | 01:37 |
| kerio | it's a fucking logarithm | 01:38 |
| kerio | chances are, it's not going to be an integer | 01:38 |
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| deepy\SIGSEGV | kerio: that's one of the critera, it's an integer | 01:39 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | x and b are both positive integers | 01:40 |
| kerio | you fail *so* hard | 01:40 |
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| kerio | log_4(2) = 0.5 | 01:41 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | oh, it doens't say that output has to be integers | 01:42 |
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| RST38h | exit | 03:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/25/rooted-motoactv-brings-web-browsing-and-angry-birds-to-your-wrist/ | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | (same hw as n900) | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cazy | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Cazy/Crazy | 04:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | well, closeish | 05:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | hah | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | note the USB socket | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | with through hole anchors | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Genius | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad Nokia didn't think of it and patent it. | 05:13 |
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| kerio | the specs are better than the n900 | 06:51 |
| kerio | wifi n, 8gb of nand | 06:52 |
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| DJKillcrazy | O_O | 07:44 |
| DJKillcrazy | Wow, big channel | 07:44 |
| DJKillcrazy | Hello, I am a wanna-be N9 enthusiast. | 07:45 |
| DJKillcrazy | Can anyone help me? | 07:45 |
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| wmarone_ | #harmattan | 07:46 |
| DJKillcrazy | Thanks | 07:47 |
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| LaoLang_cool | hello, is there an app to let the interface of in-coming call shows caller's info (company, title, etc.) in contacts database? | 08:47 |
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| fasta | How do I enable the lockscreen? The thing which normally requires swiping from left to right to unlock? | 15:56 |
| MrPingu | enable? | 15:59 |
| MrPingu | It should pop-up if you press the powerbutton, if locked | 15:59 |
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| fasta | MrPingu: yes, but it doesn't. | 16:07 |
| fasta | I also would like to replace the lockscreen with some other lockscreen, if possible. | 16:07 |
| MrPingu | qtlockscreen? | 16:08 |
| fasta | I tried the htc lockscreen, IIRC. | 16:08 |
| fasta | But it didn't actually do anything. | 16:08 |
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| fasta | I can also install qtlockscreen, but I am not so much looking to configure anything, but more to use something premade. | 16:08 |
| fasta | And for now, I am cracking the DES key on my phone :P | 16:09 |
| MrPingu | IIRC, there are premade configs available | 16:09 |
| MrPingu | My lockscreen doesn't show up on 1 press either, I always double or triple push the powerbutton | 16:10 |
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| fasta | Ok, that was easy to crack o.O | 16:13 |
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| fasta | MrPingu: I set QtLockscreen to 'sensation', but when I press the 'Lock screen and keys button', the screen goes black, but it's not locked. | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you expect of a 5-digit DES key? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could even brute force it manually, given you're a patient character | 16:21 |
| MrPingu | fasta: That sounds weird | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Lock screen and keys does exactly that: blank screen and lock input | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't activate devicelock | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, you're not talking about device lock either | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what do you mean by "but it's not locked"? | 16:23 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: so, how do I lock it in such a state that I see qtlockscreen? | 16:23 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: or any lock screen, like the default one? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you say your screen goes black but still takes touch events? | 16:24 |
| fasta | I don't think it takes touch events. | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it's exactly expected behaviour | 16:24 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: that's ok, but I still don't know how I get it to show this 'lock screen'. | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 'lockscreen' with the slider is exclusively to avoid unlocking screen by accidentally preesing power button when screen blanked&locked | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so to see lockscreen you might lock device e.g. by locksliderswitch, then press powerbutton once | 16:26 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: what is locksliderswitch? | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the slider switch at side of device | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | above headset receptacle | 16:27 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: excellent | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you slide it down to unlock/lock | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it wil NOT show the lockscreen on unlock | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lockscreen ONLY shows when pressing power button | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...on locked device | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (at least that's how my devices are configured, I think you can tweak this behaviour in mce.ini) | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, did you see the 20% off all future MetaWatch products? | 16:29 |
| javispedro | yep | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: DUH!!! Alive :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) | 16:29 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: so, by default, it requires two user actions to activate. | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: HI pal! | 16:29 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: but that does not include bastards like me who didn't buy the strata ;) | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: lockscreen only shows on locked device | 16:30 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: yiiha :) | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't make sense to show it on an actively used device | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to see what it is they come up with for 2011 buyers | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: usually devices auto-lock after a few minutes | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I queried them on Twitter about it. | 16:31 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: how do I really lock it (i.e. require some kind of code) for it to unlock? | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, if I don't use a discount voucher you're welcome to it, though. | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since sowatch changed my life. :D | 16:32 |
| javispedro | I will probably need to buy one in the future | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: I use power button only to look up time | 16:32 |
| MrPingu | fasta: the lockslider on the side, skips the lockscreen | 16:32 |
| javispedro | 2 out of 4 pins are now rusted on mine :/ | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then immediately put back device to holster | 16:32 |
| MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05: smae here :P | 16:32 |
| MrPingu | *same | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: creepy voltage? | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, email Dave. He'll hook you up with a replacement. | 16:33 |
| fasta | What I don't get is that both qtlockscreen and the default are active at the same time. | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: electrolytic stain? | 16:33 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: we'll see, they'lll probably follow you on that 2011-buyers-benefit-program, we can't be that many. | 16:33 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: along with human sweat :) | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insane to keep voltage on sth that has contact to skin | 16:34 |
| javispedro | supposedly they were not able to tristate or similar the pins on this design | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will etch off your skin too | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one with Na+ the other with Cl- ;-P | 16:35 |
| javispedro | fortunately I don't notice anything because the pins are actually slightly protruded inwards | 16:35 |
| javispedro | but there are some scary pictures on the forums | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're lucky | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I's ue them outa the water | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, seriously, though, if it stops charging contact Dave. | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never work again in my life (only for Americans) | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd sue* | 16:36 |
| javispedro | :) | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | By the way, how much extra effort is it to support STRATA? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: how's life? Long time no see :-/ | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fed up with maemo? | 16:38 |
| javispedro | did not had much time to play :( | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh | 16:39 |
| javispedro | so, nothing new from my side | 16:39 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: supposedly it will be the same | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | already though we lost you to whatever other team | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought* | 16:39 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: tbh I am not happy with what metawatch is doing atm, with the surprise factor and all that | 16:40 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: no firmware commits for months despite the fact they are surely rushing right now | 16:40 |
| javispedro | they'll probably throw it over the wall when the first watches arrive | 16:40 |
| javispedro | so, no idea what exactly they will use the new hardware (aka more RAM) for | 16:41 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: not yet | 16:42 |
| javispedro | :) | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good to hear, though it's a pity when your work is as demanding as mine regarding time left over for #maemo* | 16:43 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: battery life with the latest firmwares has increased spectacularly on my watch; the strata is quite probably going to reach 2 weeks or so. | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crazy | 16:43 |
| MrPingu | fasta: That's why I don't bother with qtlockscreen | 16:46 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: more like #* :( | 16:46 |
| MrPingu | Only eating extra memory | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: indeed | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: heard the latest bad news? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: seems I have to do 6 months @ jail err council | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 16:47 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: you'll do better than some by not showing to work .... :/ | 16:48 |
| * javispedro hides | 16:49 | |
| javispedro | *by _just_ not showing to work, I mean. | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the plan ;-P | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Evil. | 16:49 |
| javispedro | I think that there's more pressing matters on the foundation side | 16:50 |
| javispedro | if nothing changes within 6 months there would be not community to "council" over. | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in fact my time available to assign to council topics is extremily limited | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, foundation's got its work cut out for. | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | it' | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, get somebody to update the freaking council wiki docs. | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first I'm awaiting my sentence | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right now it's still the leaving council in duty | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: what exactly needs update? | 16:52 |
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| javispedro | iirc, didn't one of the "leaving council" members get a "get out of jail free" card? | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The list of hot topics hasn't been changed since I was on the council. :P | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, yeah, noticed that several times | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe there are no hot topics anymore | 16:53 |
| javispedro | just put a script there that dumps the hot topics from TMO | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeew | 16:54 |
| javispedro | so that you get things like "My whatscrapp login is broken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!one" | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better tear down the whole wiki page | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/better/rather/. | 16:55 |
| javispedro | nah, just remove the topics as soon as you raise to power | 16:55 |
| javispedro | btw, getting into business... | 16:56 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: do you have a link to the musb/mentor graphics datasheet? | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, I doubt there's *anything* available | 16:57 |
| javispedro | thought that :( | 16:57 |
| javispedro | meh | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all info about fsckng mg musb been from OMAP TRM | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | back when I did h-e-n | 16:58 |
| javispedro | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=41826&postcount=72 | 16:58 |
| javispedro | ^^ saw that? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus some crappy press release level papers from MB | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MG | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DAFAQ fmg still active?? | 16:59 |
| javispedro | I know that you are not happy if it's OTG instead of real hostmode... but I suspect this might be easier to implement on the kernel. | 16:59 |
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| javispedro | (and since I have at most a few hours to hack on it...) | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it actually might work OOTB | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least with OTG enabled kernel, and OTG is sufficently hostmody | 17:01 |
| javispedro | it doesn't, but I'm trying to figure out the changes | 17:01 |
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| javispedro | the ID pin comparator was gated, but I fixed that | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey :-D | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trying to lure me into HARM tasks again? | 17:02 |
| javispedro | heehee :) | 17:02 |
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| javispedro | I got it to advance to a_idle, just by plugging the modded cable | 17:02 |
| javispedro | but then neither vbus pump starts | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw (re your fmc post) that's not exactly a "simple cable mod" since I haven't found a 5wire cable with micro-usb plug so far | 17:03 |
| javispedro | I have one :) | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh! | 17:03 |
| javispedro | they're sold on ebay | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, where? | 17:03 |
| javispedro | they call those "samsung otg cables" | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhmmmm | 17:04 |
| javispedro | seems that samsung is also not a big lover of the microa/b port duality | 17:04 |
| javispedro | so they just put microb ports and call it otg | 17:04 |
| javispedro | wonder why they usb guys didn't jump on them already | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 17:04 |
| javispedro | *the usb guys | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they don't print a OTG badge on their box? | 17:05 |
| javispedro | heh, probably | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI USB-cert rules don't forbid checking ID pin on usb_b and acting accordingly | 17:06 |
| javispedro | hm | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they just say that official OTG devices need a usb_a(/b) receptacle | 17:07 |
| javispedro | well | 17:08 |
| javispedro | I know that the musb can be configured to NOT trigger the gaia/twl4030 vbus pump | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr, yep | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably | 17:08 |
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| javispedro | we'll need to figure out how to do the entire vbus pump setup, with either your bq2xxxx scripts or using gaia | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | needs kernel patches | 17:09 |
| javispedro | bq2xxxx certainly, but using gata might not need any change at all | 17:09 |
| javispedro | just check how bme reacts to that | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or a userland auxilary driver | 17:09 |
| javispedro | hopefully not by frying the device | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it WILL fry the device | 17:10 |
| javispedro | bme still seems to use twl4030 to do charger detect | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no kidding | 17:10 |
| javispedro | and IF twl4030 sense ID pin, then it NEVER reports charger detect | 17:10 |
| javispedro | not that I would test that theory on my device :/ | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that'd be indeed a rather sane solution, almost as sane as when bme would switch bq24xxx from charging to boost mode on ID detect. Errr nope scratch that, will not play nice with OTG | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: pali did a kernel driver for bq24xxx | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | based on my original draft | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 17:12 |
| javispedro | just integrating that with harmkernel is probably already out of my freetime slot :( | 17:13 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, yesterday I sent new version for upstreaming to LKML | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: noticed that | 17:13 |
| javispedro | btw | 17:13 |
| javispedro | so, how long would it take to fry my device if shit happens (aka bme charges with bq2xxxx or gaia vbus pump active)? | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I'm staying here for one more coffee, before I have to leave for RL | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (should've been gone 2h ago) | 17:14 |
| javispedro | haha | 17:14 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: feel free to leave, I know how vengeful RL can be... | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: (how long) usual overtemp issues, so between several seconds and never | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, much to excited to talk to you like first time this year | 17:15 |
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| javispedro | because I'm thinking on testing and see what bme does | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: basically the problem is when twl4030 chargepump power gets eaten completely by bw24xxx trying to charge | 17:16 |
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| javispedro | because I presume bme will disable bq2xxx pump, so the problem is only with the twl4030 one | 17:16 |
| javispedro | that's why I was trying to find out how I can disable the twl4030, which, according to docs, will turn on by itself on id sense | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possible outcome: twl4030 detects overcurrent and shuts down, bme detects bad powersource and stops charging, or twl4030 overheats due to overloading | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: for a start you should be fine with simply stopping bme and waiting til bw24xxx 32s timeout | 17:19 |
| javispedro | !! | 17:19 |
| javispedro | MUSB_ULPI_USE_EXTVBUS | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless the chip is actually entering emergency chage mode then, when seeing VBUS (from twl), and draws so much power that twl chargepump goes down | 17:19 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: can it enter emergency charge without charge detect? | 17:20 |
| ShadowJK | The only sure way is to tell it not to charge. | 17:20 |
| javispedro | USE_EXTVBUS looks exactly what I wanted | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the idea, but for hw charger detect (d+- short) on N900 we got the 1707 | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since twl was broken re that | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (ext_vbus) :nod: | 17:21 |
| ShadowJK | without software control it reverts to eating 100mA on input side | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: yep, but only if Vbat < 3.7V | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: otherwise yep, to stop bq24xxx completely, you need to tell it to stay idle every 15s | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (coffee, bbl) | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, this could've been the first on-topic convo in #maemo-hostmode-discussion since _ages_ | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I guess some IRC channels simply die from obsolescence eventually | 17:33 |
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| javispedro | hey, #meego still has some people around :) | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, 170 | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and a real 5 lines of convo yesterday | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, thursday | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yesterday nuttin | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: if you're interested - I still have a N9 here that's ready to test potentially dangerous stuff like that | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what this device been meant for | 17:38 |
| javispedro | meh, I'm testing on N950, that's how much I appreciate it =) | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehehe | 17:38 |
| Skry | Pali: does the bq driver you posted on mailing list differ from the one you have on gitorious? | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you fool, better sell it for 1800GBP | 17:39 |
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| Pali | Skry, no, it is last version from gitorious | 17:39 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: for testing what? | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hostmode | 17:39 |
| vi__ | on n9/50? | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | VBUS chargepunp/boost actually | 17:40 |
| Skry | Pali: ok, thanks. | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 17:40 |
| vi__ | well damn. | 17:40 |
| vi__ | Pali: is there any chance your policy file for jack bias could stop tv-out working? | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not completely impossible | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tv-out is same jack pin as mic(-bias) | 17:42 |
| javispedro | just to remember, rm-680 is n950 and rm-696 is n9? | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 17:42 |
| javispedro | google says so | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then yes ;-) | 17:42 |
| * javispedro patches both | 17:42 | |
| Pali | vi__, my patch to policy file no, but you know that I disassembled binary file, so there can be problem | 17:43 |
| javispedro | curiously enough, the n9/50 kernel defines a 100mA power limit for boost | 17:44 |
| Pali | but I tested new compiled file in swi prolog interpretor and it had all predicats | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what you say is "not my changes but the disassembly process might have introduced bug" | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right? | 17:44 |
| masch|phone | hi. is someone using yappari? | 17:44 |
| Pali | vi__, so I think that problem is not here... | 17:44 |
| vi__ | Pali: ok, thank you. | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: KP? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: err CSSU? | 17:45 |
| vi__ | my problem is tv-out would not work when I hooked my n900 up to my projector. | 17:45 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, disassembling can intruduce bug in way that some predicate is missing | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: you're using CSSU-T ? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yep, got that | 17:45 |
| Pali | but not that code of predicate was changed | 17:45 |
| vi__ | although my projector has strated becomming a bit flakey in its old age and I have not tried it on any other composite input. | 17:46 |
| Pali | but I tested if new compiled version has same predicates as old nokia | 17:46 |
| vi__ | I have cssu-t and kernel-cssu3 | 17:46 |
| Pali | and I also started ohm debugger to dump data | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: you got me on your ignore list? | 17:46 |
| Pali | *on device | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: in cssu-t you need to twiddle a bit with advanced tv-out settings | 17:46 |
| Pali | so I think disassembling was correct | 17:46 |
| vi__ | no, I am on the ol' n900 and typing stuff takes time! | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't work on 100% zoom | 17:46 |
| Pali | default zoom is 90% | 17:47 |
| Pali | also try to change to pal | 17:47 |
| Pali | and click on enable button :-) | 17:47 |
| vi__ | well hal reported that video cable was inserted. | 17:47 |
| vi__ | dmesg said cable was inserted but nothing was coming out. | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: also it seems you need to switch back and foce all settings of tv-out once, since the new applet doesn't sync automatically with old settings | 17:48 |
| Pali | cssu applet listening to HAL for changes | 17:48 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: interesting. | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: so: change every parameter in settings-TV and store. Then revert to original settings | 17:48 |
| Pali | it check HAL property jack (there should be list where is video string) | 17:49 |
| vi__ | I must try it on other composite inputs before I can say for certain it is my n900. | 17:49 |
| Pali | also try to reboot n900 | 17:49 |
| vi__ | Pali: yes, it said video. | 17:49 |
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| Pali | vi__, and is cssu applet visible in menu? | 17:49 |
| Pali | status menu? | 17:49 |
| Pali | it is visible only when cable is connected | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mine been visible but didn't work until I switched to disabled and then back to enabled | 17:50 |
| vi__ | I cannot recall, I do not think so. | 17:50 |
| vi__ | let me just go test right now. | 17:50 |
| vi__ | brb. | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: also keep in mind you need to frist plug cable to TV, only then to N900 | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise detection fails | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first* | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the hw is testing resistance from 3rd pin to GND. For TV plugged this should probably be >0 but <infinite | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd actually guess it's 50R nominal | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for TV | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and 2kR for headset mic | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with cable not plugged in to TV it's infinte (open circuit) | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with headphones it's zero | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka shortcircuit | 17:54 |
| vi__ | well fsck me. | 17:55 |
| vi__ | it worked. | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 17:55 |
| vi__ | after redoing all the settings from the applet perhaps, I cannot be certain. | 17:55 |
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| vi__ | i didnt test before. :/ | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toldya you need to redo settings | 17:56 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: what would happen if both bq2xxxx and gaia pump were to turn on? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing bad | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | increased battery drain | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | negligible | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and more power available on VBUS | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inclear though what chips' logic (esp any possible softstart) would say when there's already full VBUS when boost about to start | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably no impact either | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | worst thing to happen was an error condition of either of the both chips | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like "overvoltage" or whatever | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OTG HNP though will fail miseably | 18:01 |
| javispedro | yeah... | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as will OTG suspend mode | 18:01 |
| javispedro | still stuck at a_idle, even with bq2xxx | 18:01 |
| javispedro | pump | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily we're not interested in either | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no auto ENUM then? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you have set it to OTG in /proc or /sys ? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (forgot where) | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since default state probably is "device" | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, a_idle seems to indicate you did | 18:03 |
| javispedro | id pin sense did | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise should be b_idle iirc, for "device" | 18:04 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: nonono, it still needs right mode | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it won't change from 'device' to 'OTG' mode automagically | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo OTG >/*/mode | 18:05 |
| javispedro | mode is what returns "a_idle" | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ummm | 18:05 |
| javispedro | the other one (that was on gaia's sysfs iirc on n900) is gone | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 18:05 |
| javispedro | well, if it's not trivial | 18:06 |
| javispedro | let me enable debug output .. | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: echo OTG >/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 18:12 |
| javispedro | oh, it works | 18:13 |
| javispedro | I mean, the write | 18:13 |
| javispedro | the rest is still stuck at a_idle | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# echo hostf >/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | b_idle | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# echo OTG >/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | b_idle | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | original valid parameters to echo been 'host', 'OTG', 'device' | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 18:15 |
| javispedro | lowercase | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | coffee over | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no more excuse to procrastinate | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl o/ | 18:17 |
| javispedro | cya DocScrutinizer05 | 18:17 |
| javispedro | maybe next year ;) | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seriously hope to not wait that long | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might find a 15 min every other weekend | 18:20 |
| Pali | host[h|f|l] and peripheral is on n900 | 18:24 |
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| vi__ | how hard would it be to change the policy that governs playing audio while on a phone call? | 18:27 |
| javispedro | meh, removing the gadget driver tears down usb _host_ support, how stupid | 18:28 |
| vi__ | I used ionice to give rtcom-call-ui realtime priority. Is there any reason I should do that? | 18:28 |
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| Pali | vi__, first RE/disassemble libplayback library and alsaped daemon and then understand nokia pulseaudio, ohm, alsa, ... patches :-) | 18:33 |
| Pali | javispedro, some usb gadget (e.g. g_file_storage) must be loaded for usb host mode | 18:34 |
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| vi__ | Pali: let me put it another way. | 19:29 |
| vi__ | Pali: Il buy you a pizza. | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think the missing docs and closed nature at large of audio handling on fremantle is one of Nokia's mortal sins | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since, dang, it's a *phone* and a *mediaplayer*, and also maybe a recorder | 19:38 |
| merlin1991 | well if anything superior voice quality is the "secret sauce" on any phone | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | voice quality not related to policy handling | 19:38 |
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| vi__ | merlin1991: what is this? 2001? no one uses 'phones' for 'phone-calls' anymore. | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not like if it's a secret thing at least | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there needs to be clear specs how any arbitrary audio app is supposed to either step back or take priority over e.g. inbound phonecall | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "we're doing that for you. You got game-audio-class, and system-audio-class - so smile and be happy" is kinda like telling devels "F U, don't dare to mess with 'our' audio" | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I want finegrained config options whether ringtone is supposed to get played back via BT, via wired headphone, via wired headset, via TV-out | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I want to decide whether inbound call stops camera, or camera stops inbound call | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe inbound call just doesn't ring when camera active | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but still is signalling the call on display | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all that is not at all related to *quality* of call audio, but merely about policy management and handling | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, I'm aware users _could_ mess up their call audio beyond usability by brainless meddling with those policies, but that's no excuse to lock it down and not document it | 19:47 |
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| vi__ | knowing my luck I would insert the jack to go handsfree on the call only for open media player to resume flooding my conversation with the sounds of pornography. | 19:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.cmw.me/?q=node/55 DocScrutinizer05 n900ish watch | 20:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | note the USB soldering | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: that page sucks on loading - stalls at 85% | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | odd. wfm | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it rapes my CPU | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | could there be some fsckdup js video player or sth on that page? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or a virus? | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | dunnp. loads OK on my tablet | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, the virus will work on your standard browser. It's not designed to rape CPU by default and thus give away about own existence ;-) | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using Konqueror and it rapes both cores of my 2.3GHz CPU to 50%, about 3/4 of that being system(! :-o ) | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it really stalls at 89%, showing a partially loaded page (second gfx object from top is a black blob) | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so alas no soldering I could view | 20:13 |
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| vi__ | use a real browser. | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? to allow the virus to rape my PC properly? | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | chrome/n7 here | 20:14 |
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| vi__ | links2 in svga framebuffer here. | 20:16 |
| vi__ | I can view gifs. | 20:16 |
| vi__ | w3m on a braille keyboard here. | 20:17 |
| joga | can you feel gifs | 20:27 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: I am cursed to stuck with windoze :( | 21:32 |
| freemangordon | debian (both wheezy and stable) won't boot without acpi=off | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | leaving me with only one core from 4 | 21:33 |
| Pali | freemangordon, what happen if you booth without acpi=off? | 21:35 |
| Pali | kernel panic? | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | it freezes | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | no panic, nothing. from time to time it reboots, otherwise it panics | 21:35 |
| Pali | freeze when booting or when starting X server? | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | booting | 21:36 |
| Pali | what HW and what kernel version? | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | and it is even stranger if I enable hpet | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | well, hardware is weird | 21:36 |
| Pali | acpi is big shit and there are a lot of hacks for windows... | 21:36 |
| Pali | you can tell ACPI intertreter OS name | 21:37 |
| Pali | for example my ACPI DSDT has code if WIN XP then ... else WIN VISTA then ... else WIN 7 then ... endif | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | asrock nforce3 AGP/PCIE with Phenom II 950 and Ati Radeon AGP card :D | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | hmm, what I have to add to boot parameters for that? | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | (interpreter) | 21:38 |
| javispedro | Pali: and with recent linux versions, the in-kernel interpreter will evaluate all three branches =) | 21:38 |
| Pali | javispedro, that code is handling some hot keys | 21:39 |
| Pali | and VISTA code is stupid not compatible with windows (some WMI...) | 21:40 |
| Pali | *with other windows | 21:40 |
| Pali | and also with no linux kernel | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | if I enable HPET boot process stucks until i press a key :D | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | after 2-3 key presses it either reboots or hangs | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | tried squeeze 32 bit, wheezy 64 bit, ubuntu 12.04 64 bit | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | the only one that boots without acpi=off is ubuntu | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | but ATI closed source driver does not work :( | 21:42 |
| Pali | ubuntu has more their patches in kernel | 21:42 |
| Pali | do not use fglrx, it is shit | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | but how to play HalfLife # then? :D:D:D | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | HalfLife 3 | 21:42 |
| javispedro | get a macintosh! | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | no, thanks | 21:42 |
| Pali | open source radeon driver worked fine on more tested pc | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | it works here, but afaik there is no 3d accel | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | (with ubuntu that is) | 21:43 |
| Pali | check: glxinfo | grep OpenGL | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | and I don;t want ubuntu in the light of recent news | 21:44 |
| Pali | opeon source radeon driver has 3d accel (both r300 and r600) | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I tried glgears (or whatever the name was) it it told me that there is no /usr/lib/libGL???.so | 21:44 |
| Pali | do you have ubuntu? | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | not anymore | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | now it is wheezy installed over it | 21:45 |
| Pali | you need to remove fglrx and then install packages: libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I was just ranting, will try again tomorrow :) | 21:45 |
| Pali | I do not know if debian has packages with same name, but for ubuntu should be above enought | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | but,but isn;t mesa using CPU? | 21:46 |
| Pali | swraster is CPU | 21:46 |
| Pali | mesa has also HW support | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | well, ubunto is nogo, I just won;t sacrifice 3 cores for the sake of not running windoze | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | s/ubunto/debian | 21:47 |
| freemangordon | Pali: anyway, thanks | 21:47 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: did you look at the table I prepared on wiki? | 21:48 |
| freemangordon | for CSSU kernel patches | 21:48 |
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| Pali | I had never problems with *buntu & open source radeon driver... maybe I have good tested cards... :-) | 21:48 |
| Pali | yes, I edited some info | 21:48 |
| freemangordon | ok | 21:48 |
| freemangordon | I'll edit more tomorrow | 21:48 |
| freemangordon | Pali: but I don;t want ubuntu anymore, it was you to post the bugreport on launchpad :D | 21:49 |
| Pali | :D | 21:49 |
| Pali | I'm using kubuntu | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | seems they are going the google way. thanks | 21:49 |
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| Pali | maybe I will migrate to LXDE :-) | 21:50 |
| Pali | but ubuntu core packages (kernel, xserver, libs, ...) are still ok for me | 21:50 |
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