IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-11-03

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MrPinguAnybody knows a typing-game like
DocScrutinizer05vi_: start with lemmings or Numptyphysics00:17
DocScrutinizer05err wait, in our world that's pingus00:18
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MrPinguIt used to work good on microB but now it they changed to website to a much heavier version00:19
MrPinguLemmings works good on dosbox + ext mouse through hostmode and tvout :)00:19
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DocScrutinizer05  vs ;-D00:22
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DocScrutinizer05awesome improvement on a 8*8 pixel animation :-D
MrPinguBesides, anybody noticed google stopped providing special-maemo search results00:28
MrPinguNow it redirects to the full google :(00:28
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DocScrutinizer05I already forgot they ever did00:29
MrPinguWell it's for some time already but I don't like it00:32
MrPingutakes longer to load00:32
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MrPinguawh only 29 WPM on N90000:48
vi_try it with OSK.00:49
MrPingu57 wpm00:52
MrPinguI miss the old 10fastfingers, it was very compatible with microB :(00:53
MrPinguNo OSK sucks :P00:53
vi_wtf is debootstrap?00:56
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, lemmings can be used for simulation of KMP :D01:00
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deepy\SIGSEGVkerio: I need you!01:01
deepy\SIGSEGVIt's a case of logarithms and python01:02
deepy\SIGSEGVI'm accepting substitutes since vi's outburst01:03
visubstituts for logirithms?01:03
deepy\SIGSEGVvi: also, debootstrap is awesome, it deploys a debian base system into a directory of your choice01:03
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deepy\SIGSEGVvi: I have that and I am 90% sure it works01:04
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keriodeepy\SIGSEGV: ohai01:32
keriodeepy\SIGSEGV: you fail so hard D:01:32
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deepy\SIGSEGVkerio: yes I do01:33
deepy\SIGSEGVI don't know math :D01:33
deepy\SIGSEGVSo I take it, it's not working?01:34
kerioit's... nonsensical01:35
kerioalso use math.log01:35
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keriowhy b-1 if the result isn't exact?01:35
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deepy\SIGSEGVkerio: I'm not allowed to use math.log01:36
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deepy\SIGSEGValso, shouldn't it return 0 if the result is too small?01:37
kerioit's a fucking logarithm01:38
keriochances are, it's not going to be an integer01:38
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deepy\SIGSEGVkerio: that's one of the critera, it's an integer01:39
deepy\SIGSEGVx and b are both positive integers01:40
kerioyou fail *so* hard01:40
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keriolog_4(2) = 0.501:41
deepy\SIGSEGVoh, it doens't say that output has to be integers01:42
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SpeedEvil(same hw as n900)04:47
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SpeedEvilwell, closeish05:01
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SpeedEvilnote the USB socket05:12
SpeedEvilwith through hole anchors05:12
GeneralAntillesToo bad Nokia didn't think of it and patent it.05:13
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keriothe specs are better than the n90006:51
keriowifi n, 8gb of nand06:52
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DJKillcrazyWow, big channel07:44
DJKillcrazyHello, I am a wanna-be N9 enthusiast.07:45
DJKillcrazyCan anyone help me?07:45
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LaoLang_coolhello, is there an app to let the interface of in-coming call shows caller's info (company, title, etc.) in contacts database?08:47
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fastaHow do I enable the lockscreen? The thing which normally requires swiping from left to right to unlock?15:56
MrPinguIt should pop-up if you press the powerbutton, if locked15:59
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fastaMrPingu: yes, but it doesn't.16:07
fastaI also would like to replace the lockscreen with some other lockscreen, if possible.16:07
fastaI tried the htc lockscreen, IIRC.16:08
fastaBut it didn't actually do anything.16:08
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fastaI can also install qtlockscreen, but I am not so much looking to configure anything, but more to use something premade.16:08
fastaAnd for now, I am cracking the DES key on my phone :P16:09
MrPinguIIRC, there are premade configs available16:09
MrPinguMy lockscreen doesn't show up on 1 press either, I always double or triple push the powerbutton16:10
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fastaOk, that was easy to crack o.O16:13
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fastaMrPingu: I set QtLockscreen to 'sensation', but when I press the 'Lock screen and keys button', the screen goes black, but it's not locked.16:20
DocScrutinizer05what do you expect of a 5-digit DES key?16:20
DocScrutinizer05you could even brute force it manually, given you're a patient character16:21
MrPingufasta: That sounds weird16:22
DocScrutinizer05Lock screen and keys does exactly that: blank screen and lock input16:22
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't activate devicelock16:22
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, you're not talking about device lock either16:23
DocScrutinizer05so what do you mean by "but it's not locked"?16:23
fastaDocScrutinizer05: so, how do I lock it in such a state that I see qtlockscreen?16:23
fastaDocScrutinizer05: or any lock screen, like the default one?16:24
DocScrutinizer05do you say your screen goes black but still takes touch events?16:24
fastaI don't think it takes touch events.16:24
DocScrutinizer05then it's exactly expected behaviour16:24
fastaDocScrutinizer05: that's ok, but I still don't know how I get it to show this 'lock screen'.16:25
DocScrutinizer05the 'lockscreen' with the slider is exclusively to avoid unlocking screen by accidentally preesing power button when screen blanked&locked16:25
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DocScrutinizer05so to see lockscreen you might lock device e.g. by locksliderswitch, then press powerbutton once16:26
fastaDocScrutinizer05: what is locksliderswitch?16:26
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DocScrutinizer05the slider switch at side of device16:27
DocScrutinizer05above headset receptacle16:27
fastaDocScrutinizer05: excellent16:27
DocScrutinizer05you slide it down to unlock/lock16:27
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DocScrutinizer05it wil NOT show the lockscreen on unlock16:27
DocScrutinizer05lockscreen ONLY shows when pressing power button16:28
DocScrutinizer05...on locked device16:28
DocScrutinizer05(at least that's how my devices are configured, I think you can tweak this behaviour in mce.ini)16:29
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, did you see the 20% off all future MetaWatch products?16:29
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: DUH!!! Alive :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)16:29
fastaDocScrutinizer05: so, by default, it requires two user actions to activate.16:29
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: HI pal!16:29
javispedroGeneralAntilles: but that does not include bastards like me who didn't buy the strata ;)16:30
DocScrutinizer05fasta: lockscreen only shows on locked device16:30
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: yiiha :)16:30
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't make sense to show it on an actively used device16:30
GeneralAntillesI'm interested to see what it is they come up with for 2011 buyers16:31
DocScrutinizer05fasta: usually devices auto-lock after a few minutes16:31
GeneralAntillesI queried them on Twitter about it.16:31
fastaDocScrutinizer05: how do I really lock it (i.e. require some kind of code) for it to unlock?16:31
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, if I don't use a discount voucher you're welcome to it, though.16:31
GeneralAntillesSince sowatch changed my life. :D16:32
javispedroI will probably need to buy one in the future16:32
DocScrutinizer05fasta: I use power button only to look up time16:32
MrPingufasta: the lockslider on the side, skips the lockscreen16:32
javispedro2 out of 4 pins are now rusted on mine :/16:32
DocScrutinizer05then immediately put back device to holster16:32
MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: smae here :P16:32
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: creepy voltage?16:33
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, email Dave. He'll hook you up with a replacement.16:33
fastaWhat I don't get is that both qtlockscreen and the default are active at the same time.16:33
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: electrolytic stain?16:33
javispedroGeneralAntilles: we'll see, they'lll probably follow you on that 2011-buyers-benefit-program, we can't be that many.16:33
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: along with human sweat :)16:34
DocScrutinizer05insane to keep voltage on sth that has contact to skin16:34
javispedrosupposedly they were not able to tristate or similar the pins on this design16:34
DocScrutinizer05will etch off your skin too16:34
DocScrutinizer05one with Na+ the other with Cl- ;-P16:35
javispedrofortunately I don't notice anything because the pins are actually slightly protruded inwards16:35
javispedrobut there are some scary pictures on the forums16:36
DocScrutinizer05you're lucky16:36
DocScrutinizer05I's ue them outa the water16:36
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, seriously, though, if it stops charging contact Dave.16:36
DocScrutinizer05never work again in my life (only for Americans)16:36
DocScrutinizer05I'd sue*16:36
GeneralAntillesBy the way, how much extra effort is it to support STRATA?16:37
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: how's life? Long time no see :-/16:38
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DocScrutinizer05fed up with maemo?16:38
javispedrodid not had much time to play :(16:39
javispedroso, nothing new from my side16:39
javispedroGeneralAntilles: supposedly it will be the same16:39
DocScrutinizer05already though we lost you to whatever other team16:39
javispedroGeneralAntilles: tbh I am not happy with what metawatch is doing atm, with the surprise factor and all that16:40
javispedroGeneralAntilles: no firmware commits for months despite the fact they are surely rushing right now16:40
javispedrothey'll probably throw it over the wall when the first watches arrive16:40
javispedroso, no idea what exactly they will use the new hardware (aka more RAM) for16:41
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javispedroDocScrutinizer05: not yet16:42
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DocScrutinizer05good to hear, though it's a pity when your work is as demanding as mine regarding time left over for #maemo*16:43
javispedroGeneralAntilles: battery life with the latest firmwares has increased spectacularly on my watch; the strata is quite probably going to reach 2 weeks or so.16:43
MrPingufasta: That's why I don't bother with qtlockscreen16:46
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javispedroDocScrutinizer05: more like #* :(16:46
MrPinguOnly eating extra memory16:46
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: indeed16:46
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: heard the latest bad news?16:47
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: seems I have to do 6 months @ jail err council16:47
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: you'll do better than some by not showing to work .... :/16:48
* javispedro hides16:49
javispedro*by _just_ not showing to work, I mean.16:49
DocScrutinizer05that's the plan ;-P16:49
javispedroI think that there's more pressing matters on the foundation side16:50
javispedroif nothing changes within 6 months there would be not community to "council" over.16:50
DocScrutinizer05in fact my time available to assign to council topics is extremily limited16:50
GeneralAntillesYeah, foundation's got its work cut out for.16:50
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, get somebody to update the freaking council wiki docs.16:51
DocScrutinizer05first I'm awaiting my sentence16:51
DocScrutinizer05right now it's still the leaving council in duty16:52
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: what exactly needs update?16:52
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javispedroiirc, didn't one of the "leaving council" members get a "get out of jail free" card?16:53
GeneralAntillesThe list of hot topics hasn't been changed since I was on the council. :P16:53
DocScrutinizer05lol, yeah, noticed that several times16:53
DocScrutinizer05maybe there are no hot topics anymore16:53
javispedrojust put a script there that dumps the hot topics from TMO16:54
javispedroso that you get things like "My whatscrapp login is broken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!one"16:54
DocScrutinizer05better tear down the whole wiki page16:55
javispedronah, just remove the topics as soon as you raise to power16:55
javispedrobtw, getting into business...16:56
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: do you have a link to the musb/mentor graphics datasheet?16:56
DocScrutinizer05nope, I doubt there's *anything* available16:57
javispedrothought that :(16:57
DocScrutinizer05all info about fsckng mg musb been from OMAP TRM16:58
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DocScrutinizer05back when I did h-e-n16:58
javispedro^^ saw that?16:58
DocScrutinizer05plus some crappy press release level papers from MB16:58
DocScrutinizer05DAFAQ fmg still active??16:59
javispedroI know that you are not happy if it's OTG instead of real hostmode... but I suspect this might be easier to implement on the kernel.16:59
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javispedro(and since I have at most a few hours to hack on it...)16:59
DocScrutinizer05it actually might work OOTB17:00
DocScrutinizer05at least with OTG enabled kernel, and OTG is sufficently hostmody17:01
javispedroit doesn't, but I'm trying to figure out the changes17:01
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javispedrothe ID pin comparator was gated, but I fixed that17:01
DocScrutinizer05hey :-D17:01
DocScrutinizer05trying to lure me into HARM tasks again?17:02
javispedroheehee :)17:02
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javispedroI got it to advance to a_idle, just by plugging the modded cable17:02
javispedrobut then neither vbus pump starts17:02
DocScrutinizer05btw (re your fmc post) that's not exactly a "simple cable mod" since I haven't found a 5wire cable with micro-usb plug so far17:03
javispedroI have one :)17:03
javispedrothey're sold on ebay17:03
DocScrutinizer05wow, where?17:03
javispedrothey call those "samsung otg cables"17:04
javispedroseems that samsung is also not a big lover of the microa/b port duality17:04
javispedroso they just put microb ports and call it otg17:04
javispedrowonder why they usb guys didn't jump on them already17:04
javispedro*the usb guys17:04
DocScrutinizer05maybe they don't print a OTG badge on their box?17:05
javispedroheh, probably17:05
DocScrutinizer05AIUI USB-cert rules don't forbid checking ID pin on usb_b and acting accordingly17:06
DocScrutinizer05they just say that official OTG devices need a usb_a(/b) receptacle17:07
javispedroI know that the musb can be configured to NOT trigger the gaia/twl4030 vbus pump17:08
DocScrutinizer05errr, yep17:08
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javispedrowe'll need to figure out how to do the entire vbus pump setup, with either your bq2xxxx scripts or using gaia17:08
DocScrutinizer05needs kernel patches17:09
javispedrobq2xxxx certainly, but using gata might not need any change at all17:09
javispedrojust check how bme reacts to that17:09
DocScrutinizer05or a userland auxilary driver17:09
javispedrohopefully not by frying the device17:09
DocScrutinizer05it WILL fry the device17:10
javispedrobme still seems to use twl4030 to do charger detect17:10
DocScrutinizer05no kidding17:10
javispedroand IF twl4030 sense ID pin, then it NEVER reports charger detect17:10
javispedronot that I would test that theory on my device :/17:10
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DocScrutinizer05that'd be indeed a rather sane solution, almost as sane as when bme would switch bq24xxx from charging to boost mode on ID detect. Errr nope scratch that, will not play nice with OTG17:11
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: pali did a kernel driver for bq24xxx17:12
DocScrutinizer05based on my original draft17:12
javispedrojust integrating that with harmkernel is probably already out of my freetime slot :(17:13
PaliDocScrutinizer05, yesterday I sent new version for upstreaming to LKML17:13
DocScrutinizer05Pali: noticed that17:13
javispedroso, how long would it take to fry my device if shit happens (aka bme charges with bq2xxxx or gaia vbus pump active)?17:13
DocScrutinizer05ok, I'm staying here for one more coffee, before I have to leave for RL17:14
DocScrutinizer05(should've been gone 2h ago)17:14
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: feel free to leave, I know how vengeful RL can be...17:14
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: (how long) usual overtemp issues, so between several seconds and never17:15
DocScrutinizer05nah, much to excited to talk to you like first time this year17:15
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javispedrobecause I'm thinking on testing and see what bme does17:15
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: basically the problem is when twl4030 chargepump power gets eaten completely by bw24xxx trying to charge17:16
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javispedrobecause I presume bme will disable bq2xxx pump, so the problem is only with the twl4030 one17:16
javispedrothat's why I was trying to find out how I can disable the twl4030, which, according to docs, will turn on by itself on id sense17:17
DocScrutinizer05possible outcome: twl4030 detects overcurrent and shuts down, bme detects bad powersource and stops charging, or twl4030 overheats due to overloading17:17
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: for a start you should be fine with simply stopping bme and waiting til bw24xxx 32s timeout17:19
DocScrutinizer05unless the chip is actually entering emergency chage mode then, when seeing VBUS (from twl), and draws so much power that twl chargepump goes down17:19
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: can it enter emergency charge without charge detect?17:20
ShadowJKThe only sure way is to tell it not to charge.17:20
javispedroUSE_EXTVBUS looks exactly what I wanted17:20
DocScrutinizer05that's the idea, but for hw charger detect (d+- short) on N900 we got the 170717:20
DocScrutinizer05since twl was broken re that17:20
DocScrutinizer05(ext_vbus) :nod:17:21
ShadowJKwithout software control it reverts to eating 100mA on input side17:21
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: yep, but only if Vbat < 3.7V17:21
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: otherwise yep, to stop bq24xxx completely, you need to tell it to stay idle every 15s17:22
DocScrutinizer05(coffee, bbl)17:23
DocScrutinizer05dang, this could've been the first on-topic convo in #maemo-hostmode-discussion since _ages_17:31
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DocScrutinizer05well, I guess some IRC channels simply die from obsolescence eventually17:33
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javispedrohey, #meego still has some people around :)17:34
DocScrutinizer05indeed, 17017:34
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DocScrutinizer05and a real 5 lines of convo yesterday17:36
DocScrutinizer05err, thursday17:36
DocScrutinizer05yesterday nuttin17:36
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DocScrutinizer05javispedro: if you're interested - I still have a N9 here that's ready to test potentially dangerous stuff like that17:38
DocScrutinizer05that's what this device been meant for17:38
javispedromeh, I'm testing on N950, that's how much I appreciate it =)17:38
SkryPali: does the bq driver you posted on mailing list differ from the one you have on gitorious?17:39
DocScrutinizer05you fool, better sell it for 1800GBP17:39
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PaliSkry, no, it is last version from gitorious17:39
vi__DocScrutinizer05: for testing what?17:39
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vi__on n9/50?17:40
DocScrutinizer05VBUS chargepunp/boost actually17:40
SkryPali: ok, thanks.17:40
vi__well damn.17:40
vi__Pali: is there any chance your policy file for jack bias could stop tv-out working?17:41
DocScrutinizer05not completely impossible17:41
DocScrutinizer05tv-out is same jack pin as mic(-bias)17:42
javispedrojust to remember, rm-680 is n950 and rm-696 is n9?17:42
javispedrogoogle says so17:42
DocScrutinizer05then yes ;-)17:42
* javispedro patches both17:42
Palivi__, my patch to policy file no, but you know that I disassembled binary file, so there can be problem17:43
javispedrocuriously enough, the n9/50 kernel defines a 100mA power limit for boost17:44
Palibut I tested new compiled file in swi prolog interpretor and it had all predicats17:44
DocScrutinizer05what you say is "not my changes but the disassembly process might have introduced bug"17:44
masch|phonehi. is someone using yappari?17:44
Palivi__, so I think that problem is not here...17:44
vi__Pali: ok, thank you.17:44
DocScrutinizer05vi__: KP?17:44
DocScrutinizer05vi__: err CSSU?17:45
vi__my problem is tv-out would not work when I hooked my n900 up to my projector.17:45
PaliDocScrutinizer05, disassembling can intruduce bug in way that some predicate is missing17:45
DocScrutinizer05vi__: you're using CSSU-T ?17:45
DocScrutinizer05Pali: yep, got that17:45
Palibut not that code of predicate was changed17:45
vi__although my projector has strated becomming a bit flakey in its old age and I have not tried it on any other composite input.17:46
Palibut I tested if new compiled version has same predicates as old nokia17:46
vi__I have cssu-t and kernel-cssu317:46
Paliand I also started ohm debugger to dump data17:46
DocScrutinizer05vi__: you got me on your ignore list?17:46
Pali*on device17:46
DocScrutinizer05vi__: in cssu-t you need to twiddle a bit with advanced tv-out settings17:46
Paliso I think disassembling was correct17:46
vi__no, I am on the ol' n900 and typing stuff takes time!17:46
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't work on 100% zoom17:46
Palidefault zoom is 90%17:47
Palialso try to change to pal17:47
Paliand click on enable button :-)17:47
vi__well hal reported that video cable was inserted.17:47
vi__dmesg said cable was inserted but nothing was coming out.17:47
DocScrutinizer05vi__: also it seems you need to switch back and foce all settings of tv-out once, since the new applet doesn't sync automatically with old settings17:48
Palicssu applet listening to HAL for changes17:48
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: interesting.17:48
DocScrutinizer05vi__: so: change every parameter in settings-TV and store. Then revert to original settings17:48
Paliit check HAL property jack (there should be list where is video string)17:49
vi__I must try it on other composite inputs before I can say for certain it is my n900.17:49
Palialso try to reboot n90017:49
vi__Pali: yes, it said video.17:49
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Palivi__, and is cssu applet visible in menu?17:49
Palistatus menu?17:49
Paliit is visible only when cable is connected17:49
DocScrutinizer05mine been visible but didn't work until I switched to disabled and then back to enabled17:50
vi__I cannot recall, I do not think so.17:50
vi__let me just go test right now.17:50
DocScrutinizer05vi__: also keep in mind you need to frist plug cable to TV, only then to N90017:51
DocScrutinizer05otherwise detection fails17:51
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DocScrutinizer05the hw is testing resistance from 3rd pin to GND. For TV plugged this should probably be >0 but <infinite17:53
DocScrutinizer05I'd actually guess it's 50R nominal17:53
DocScrutinizer05for TV17:53
DocScrutinizer05and 2kR for headset mic17:53
DocScrutinizer05with cable not plugged in to TV it's infinte (open circuit)17:54
DocScrutinizer05with headphones it's zero17:54
DocScrutinizer05aka shortcircuit17:54
vi__well fsck me.17:55
vi__it worked.17:55
vi__after redoing all the settings from the applet perhaps, I cannot be certain.17:55
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vi__i didnt test before. :/17:55
DocScrutinizer05toldya you need to redo settings17:56
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: what would happen if both bq2xxxx and gaia pump were to turn on?17:56
DocScrutinizer05nothing bad17:56
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DocScrutinizer05increased battery drain17:56
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DocScrutinizer05and more power available on VBUS17:57
DocScrutinizer05inclear though what chips' logic (esp any possible softstart) would say when there's already full VBUS when boost about to start17:58
DocScrutinizer05probably no impact either17:59
DocScrutinizer05worst thing to happen was an error condition of either of the both chips17:59
DocScrutinizer05like "overvoltage" or whatever18:00
DocScrutinizer05OTG HNP though will fail miseably18:01
DocScrutinizer05as will OTG suspend mode18:01
javispedrostill stuck at a_idle, even with bq2xxx18:01
DocScrutinizer05luckily we're not interested in either18:01
DocScrutinizer05no auto ENUM then?18:02
DocScrutinizer05you have set it to OTG in /proc or /sys ?18:02
DocScrutinizer05(forgot where)18:02
DocScrutinizer05since default state probably is "device"18:02
DocScrutinizer05well, a_idle seems to indicate you did18:03
javispedroid pin sense did18:03
DocScrutinizer05otherwise should be b_idle iirc, for "device"18:04
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: nonono, it still needs right mode18:04
DocScrutinizer05it won't change from 'device' to 'OTG' mode automagically18:04
DocScrutinizer05echo OTG >/*/mode18:05
javispedromode is what returns "a_idle"18:05
javispedrothe other one (that was on gaia's sysfs iirc on n900) is gone18:05
javispedrowell, if it's not trivial18:06
javispedrolet me enable debug output ..18:06
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DocScrutinizer05javispedro: echo OTG >/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode18:12
javispedrooh, it works18:13
javispedroI mean, the write18:13
javispedrothe rest is still stuck at a_idle18:13
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# echo hostf >/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode18:14
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode18:14
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# echo OTG >/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode18:14
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode18:14
DocScrutinizer05original valid parameters to echo been 'host', 'OTG', 'device'18:15
DocScrutinizer05coffee over18:16
DocScrutinizer05no more excuse to procrastinate18:16
DocScrutinizer05bbl o/18:17
javispedrocya DocScrutinizer0518:17
javispedromaybe next year ;)18:17
DocScrutinizer05I seriously hope to not wait that long18:19
DocScrutinizer05you might find a 15 min every other weekend18:20
Palihost[h|f|l] and peripheral is on n90018:24
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vi__how hard would it be to change the policy that governs playing audio while on a phone call?18:27
javispedromeh, removing the gadget driver tears down usb _host_ support, how stupid18:28
vi__I used ionice to give rtcom-call-ui realtime priority.  Is there any reason I should do that?18:28
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Palivi__, first RE/disassemble libplayback library and alsaped daemon and then understand nokia pulseaudio, ohm, alsa, ... patches :-)18:33
Palijavispedro, some usb gadget (e.g. g_file_storage) must be loaded for usb host mode18:34
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vi__Pali: let me put it another way.19:29
vi__Pali: Il buy you a pizza.19:29
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DocScrutinizer05actually I think the missing docs and closed nature at large of audio handling on fremantle is one of Nokia's mortal sins19:37
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DocScrutinizer05since, dang, it's a *phone* and a *mediaplayer*, and also maybe a recorder19:38
merlin1991well if anything superior voice quality is the "secret sauce" on any phone19:38
DocScrutinizer05voice quality not related to policy handling19:38
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vi__merlin1991: what is this? 2001? no one uses 'phones' for 'phone-calls' anymore.19:39
DocScrutinizer05not like if it's a secret thing at least19:39
DocScrutinizer05there needs to be clear specs how any arbitrary audio  app is supposed to either step back or take priority over e.g. inbound phonecall19:40
DocScrutinizer05"we're doing that for you. You got game-audio-class, and system-audio-class - so smile and be happy" is kinda like telling devels "F U, don't dare to mess with 'our' audio"19:41
DocScrutinizer05I want finegrained config options whether ringtone is supposed to get played back via BT, via wired headphone, via wired headset, via TV-out19:43
DocScrutinizer05I want to decide whether inbound call stops camera, or camera stops inbound call19:44
DocScrutinizer05or maybe inbound call just doesn't ring when camera active19:44
DocScrutinizer05but still is signalling the call on display19:44
DocScrutinizer05all that is not at all related to *quality* of call audio, but merely about policy management and handling19:45
DocScrutinizer05and yes, I'm aware users _could_ mess up their call audio beyond usability by brainless meddling with those policies, but that's no excuse to lock it down and not document it19:47
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vi__knowing my luck I would insert the jack to go handsfree on the call only for open media player to resume flooding my conversation with the sounds of pornography.19:56
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SpeedEvil DocScrutinizer05 n900ish watch20:00
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SpeedEvilnote the USB soldering20:00
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: that page sucks on loading - stalls at 85%20:03
SpeedEvilodd. wfm20:05
DocScrutinizer05actually it rapes my CPU20:05
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DocScrutinizer05could there be some fsckdup js video player or sth on that page?20:06
DocScrutinizer05or a virus?20:06
SpeedEvildunnp. loads OK on my tablet20:07
DocScrutinizer05sure, the virus will work on your standard browser. It's not designed to rape CPU by default and thus give away about own existence ;-)20:09
DocScrutinizer05I'm using Konqueror and it rapes both cores of my 2.3GHz CPU to 50%, about 3/4 of that being system(! :-o )20:10
DocScrutinizer05and it really stalls at 89%, showing a partially loaded page (second gfx object from top is a black blob)20:11
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DocScrutinizer05so alas no soldering I could view20:13
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vi__use a real browser.20:13
DocScrutinizer05why? to allow the virus to rape my PC properly?20:14
SpeedEvilchrome/n7 here20:14
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vi__links2 in svga framebuffer here.20:16
vi__I can view gifs.20:16
vi__w3m on a braille keyboard here.20:17
jogacan you feel gifs20:27
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freemangordonvi__: I am cursed to stuck with windoze :(21:32
freemangordondebian (both wheezy and stable) won't boot without acpi=off21:33
freemangordonleaving me with only one core from 421:33
Palifreemangordon, what happen if you booth without acpi=off?21:35
Palikernel panic?21:35
freemangordonit freezes21:35
freemangordonno panic, nothing. from time to time it reboots, otherwise it panics21:35
Palifreeze when booting or when starting X server?21:35
Paliwhat HW and what kernel version?21:36
freemangordonand it is even stranger if I enable hpet21:36
freemangordonwell, hardware is weird21:36
Paliacpi is big shit and there are a lot of hacks for windows...21:36
Paliyou can tell ACPI intertreter OS name21:37
Palifor example my ACPI DSDT has code if WIN XP then ... else WIN VISTA then ... else WIN 7 then ... endif21:37
freemangordonasrock nforce3 AGP/PCIE with Phenom II 950 and Ati Radeon AGP card :D21:37
freemangordonhmm, what I have to add to boot parameters for that?21:38
javispedroPali: and with recent linux versions, the in-kernel interpreter will evaluate all three branches =)21:38
Palijavispedro, that code is handling some hot keys21:39
Paliand VISTA code is stupid not compatible with windows (some WMI...)21:40
Pali*with other windows21:40
Paliand also with no linux kernel21:40
freemangordonif I enable HPET boot process  stucks until i press a key :D21:40
freemangordonafter 2-3 key presses it either reboots or hangs21:40
freemangordontried squeeze 32 bit, wheezy 64 bit, ubuntu 12.04 64 bit21:41
freemangordonthe only one that boots without acpi=off is ubuntu21:41
freemangordonbut ATI closed source driver does not work :(21:42
Paliubuntu has more their patches in kernel21:42
Palido not use fglrx, it is shit21:42
freemangordonbut how to play HalfLife # then? :D:D:D21:42
freemangordonHalfLife 321:42
javispedroget a macintosh!21:42
freemangordonno, thanks21:42
Paliopen source radeon driver worked fine on more tested pc21:43
freemangordonit works here, but afaik there is no 3d accel21:43
freemangordon(with ubuntu that is)21:43
Palicheck: glxinfo | grep OpenGL21:43
freemangordonand I don;t want ubuntu in the light of recent news21:44
Paliopeon source radeon driver has 3d accel (both r300 and r600)21:44
freemangordonPali: I tried glgears (or whatever the name was) it it told me that there is no /usr/lib/libGL???.so21:44
Palido you have ubuntu?21:45
freemangordonnot anymore21:45
freemangordonnow it is wheezy installed over it21:45
Paliyou need to remove fglrx and then install packages: libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx21:45
freemangordonanyway, I was just ranting, will try again tomorrow :)21:45
PaliI do not know if debian has packages with same name, but for ubuntu should be above enought21:46
freemangordonbut,but isn;t mesa using CPU?21:46
Paliswraster is CPU21:46
Palimesa has also HW support21:46
freemangordonwell, ubunto is nogo, I just won;t sacrifice 3 cores for the sake of not running windoze21:46
freemangordonPali: anyway, thanks21:47
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freemangordonPali: did you look at the table I prepared on wiki?21:48
freemangordonfor CSSU kernel patches21:48
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PaliI had never problems with *buntu & open source radeon driver... maybe I have good tested cards... :-)21:48
Paliyes, I edited some info21:48
freemangordonI'll edit more tomorrow21:48
freemangordonPali: but I don;t want ubuntu anymore, it was you to post the bugreport on launchpad :D21:49
PaliI'm using kubuntu21:49
freemangordonseems they are going the google way. thanks21:49
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Palimaybe I will migrate to LXDE :-)21:50
Palibut ubuntu core packages (kernel, xserver, libs, ...) are still ok for me21:50
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DocScrutinizer05dang, gone and didn't even say byebye23:31
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DocScrutinizer05prosa pretending to implement logic23:39
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BigBoxDr_Hi folks, any experience w/ n900 and dropbox setup he? I'm struggling w/ it ...23:43
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